4 decades on government health care? Jesus, Frank, get off the dole! Where’s your pride? Have you never held a real job?

This has been another episode of “Throwing Shit all Over the Truth” with Frank DiSalle.

What’s that like?

Well , you figured out what was in my head before — now figure this out…

I wonder how they will feel to know that Bush and his aids guaranteed that Iraqis would have universal health care(single payer) be helping to put it into their Constitution.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-dorlester/guaranteed-health-care-in_b_280528.html

And they also helped fund it(somewhat)….

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001870042_iraqdig03.html

So weird for a US President to make sure a another country citizens is given health care, but refusing to do the same for his own citizens.

This is not rational, but it is understandable. Frank is afraid that if everybody gets a piece, his piece will be smaller, maybe not big enough for him.

Frank, this is a prosperous country. There can be enough for everyone. Just as nobody needs to starve in order to ensure that you and your children are fed, so also nobody has to sit on the porch for 25 years in order for you to get your cyst lanced.

What lines are those exactly? Where do you get the idea that waiting your turn in the emergency room or at a doctor’s office, based on severity of injury/illness and priority equates to not being attended to?

‘“comparable health outcomes” as in similar, or comparable as in “here in the US, you can get a triple bypass” , ‘

You can’t possibly be suggesting that the only place on Earth to have timely triple bypass surgery is in the U.S., where it will cost you your salary for the next 5 years?

‘or “under national health care systems, you end up on the back porch of a convalescent home for 25 years?’

Of course, because in every industrialized nation on the planet that offers universal health care, no one is diagnosed, treated and healthy again in under a quarter of the average lifespan.

‘demonstrably cheaper” as in less cost per person, or cheaper as in a greater ratio of tax to GDP to pay for national health care.’

How about demonstrably cheaper in costs to patients AND in overall expenditure of domestic GDP?

That line is funny, sad, and true….

Funny, but when I’ve needed medical attention my waits have always been much shorter in countries with universal health care.

You could be bleeding to death in an American ER and they’re still going to make you fill out the paperwork first.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_hea_car_fun_tot_per_cap-care-funding-total-per-capita

…and “universal” as in “they cover everyone”.

…and “comparable health outcomes” as in “comparable health outcomes”.

…and “we’re the only nation where people go broke from health care”.

…and “Frank is amazingly, deliberately, willfully obtuse, and he knows it. But he can’t bring himself to stop, because to do otherwise might cause him to admit that he’s wrong, has been wrong, and will continue to be wrong.”

TANSTAAFL

Or, because you standardize and simplify your paperwork, use economies of scale to control costs, and make the goal of the system affordable healthcare rather than maximizing corporate profits.

Frank, you’re talking as if there aren’t a number of health care systems in the world that have universal coverage, provide comparable health outcomes, and are demonstrably cheaper per capita than ours. Get your head out the litterbox of two-bit economic just-so stories and take a look at what’s going on out here in reality!

The Republicans, since they’re the ones that changed it in 2005.

Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200.

Except, of course, for the fact that it IS cheaper over there, and we in the US pay more per capita than every other nation on earth.

And we don’t cover everyone.

And nobody goes bankrupt in those other countries just trying to not die.

But at least this way Frank doesn’t have to worry about Senator Franken driving him to the emergency room, so it’s all good.

My point was clear — providing medical care at the national level, whether you are Kaiser Permanente, or Sen Franken, is not about how much you care — it is about what you are able to do…

Just because people don’t go bankrupt to pay medical bills, doesn’t mean that on a per capita basis , medical care is cheaper, nor does it ensure quality. It’s like asking how many sick people own a blue shirt in Norway, compared to Denmark.

Health care is only affordable at the “point of sale” because it was paid for in advance , or because it will be paid for in the future.

TANSTAAFL

THis is not about who cares the most, this is about who has the best idea to solve the problem.

Wait, are you suggesting that conservatives have solutions to the problem (that won’t just make it worse)?

Ahahahahahahahahaahahhaahhahahaha

Excuse me, I must have something caught in my throat…

Frank, you make less sense every day.

Point is, Frank, other countries avoid medical bankruptcies not by writing special legislation to exempt a certain class of debt, but by making healthcare universal and affordable.

COMMUNIST!

Point is, Frank, other countries avoid medical bankruptcies not by writing special legislation to exempt a certain class of debt, but by making healthcare universal and affordable.

It’s amazing what a frightening concept that is to some people.