Your screech is grossly misplaced. Who here said “you should always trust your government”?

If there has been advocacy for trusting anything it has been trusting science. And rants like yours do nothing to suggest those opposed to vaccination have any legitimate science on their side. You’re actually more likely to drive people away from your view.

Take a lesson from Harold L Doherty.

I suppose you’d parrot the government if they told you that the sun rises in the west – and you’d jump on anyone who told you that the sun rises in the east. You’d call them some kinda name.

The science supports the fact that MERCURY is POISON… and you cannot trust “your government” rather than persons who come against the abuse of power – even in the name (falsely so-called) science.

Keep in mind – the “science czar” Eric Holdren of the Obama administration believes the government has a right and power to poison your food, water (and shots therefore) without your knowledge – in order to sterilize you, or render you dead.

You think he is an anomaly??

People like this believe Government agencies have the right to LIE to you to kill you and depopulate you. Moreover, this isn’t some flake-o being rebuffed as a despicable creature… no this is a man who made it to the top levels of government.

So, you think they wouldn’t LIE TO YOU – counting on you to “trust the government”??

People who do their own research and aren’t so easily brainwashed by power know that mercury is poison, etc., etc.,etc.

The fact is, if you REALLY do your research, you will learn that the Government has active programs to brainwash you – AND… they want to willfully injure your reasoning capacity in order to control you.

What do you think “sustained development” is??

Of course there are people like Holdren who would willfully brain injure the population.

YOu better believe they have a motive – and if you want to give them opportunity – and pretend that the whistleblowers and the activists who hold government accountable are the “danger” -

go get your shot.

And your brain damage.

Dr. Jon Poling is a practicing neurologist and professor, and father of an autistic child. His child received compensation from the US government which acknowledged that the vaccine had aggravated her existing mitochondrial disorder resulting in “autism like symptoms”. (Autism is defined entirely by symptoms, there is no bio marker_. Dr. Poling has called for more research on vaccine autism connections and other autism environmental research.

Dr Julie Gerberding a recent CDC head has also called for an observational study to be done comparing autism rates amongst existing vaccinated and unvaccinated populations. The IACC was in the process of recommending exactly such a study when Dr. Thomas Insel pulled it off the agenda without prior notice to those members who had been scheduled to vote on the matter.

You like science. That’s great. Maybe someday we will see some science used to investigate possible autism vaccine and other envrironmental triggers of autism.

Have a good day.

Now, vaccines need not contain thimerosol, it’s purpose is to make a bottle of vaccine that you can stick a needle into repeatedly and not grow bacteria in the bottle. Also, thimerosol was allowed to be voluntarily retired for use in human vaccines but was immediately outlawed for food animals’ vaccines.

Why? Because chemistry like this intensifies as you move up the food chain.

Those of you who conflate anti-thimerosol with anti-vaccine are, unfortunately, ignorant. You need not be any longer.

My son’s behavior became markedly different after he got his big wallop of vaccinations at 2 years of age, I don’t imagine that. And the dose of mercury that you get, if all of those vaccines that they get at 2 are thimerosol-laden is much more mercury than you’re supposed to get in a day, much, much more if you’re a litlle kid.

He will never get another thimerosol-laden vaccine as long as he’s under-age, and I have anything to say about it. Period.

Hadn’t considered the vegan or religious take on vaccines due to their animal content. I can see where that would cause some folks problems.

But I’m always a bit wary of folks who claim their concerns are “dismissed” just because others “don’t view them as legitimate.”

How much would it cost to develop a vegan or kosher version of a vaccine? Is it even possible?

Is it possible it’s actually that there isn’t enough folks with the concern to make developing alternative forms of a vaccine practical?

That is, that it isn’t that they don’t acknowledge your concerns, but that providing an answer suitable for you is just not reasonable? (And I wish I could find a better word because I’m not trying to say you are un-reasonable.)

The medical community dismisses the concerns of people like me because they don’t view the suffering of animals as a legitimate concern. Its embarssing and unethical and it offends the hell out of me.

You seem to be justifying their anti-vaccine stance because they need it as an emotional crutch to make sense of a family tragedy. You could use that kind of reasoning for beliefs in any number of things. The problem is that they’ve bound themselves to a made-up belief that has very harmful real-world effects.

And vaccinated kids can get disease too.

That’s true, which is why the unvaccinated are such a huge danger: they put vaccinated children at risk. Even if a vaccine is 99.9% effective, the unvaccinated kids are going to end up infecting that 0.1% of vaccinated ones.

So yeah, informed consent, and if someone doesn’t want an injection, teach them, and respect that decision.

Someone who refuses a vaccine of a serious disease is invariably misinformed. It’s hard to argue in favor of “informed consent” when almost all anti-vaccine claims are based on misinformation.

For more on Gardasil, see other liberals who are against it, like those at evilslutopia. Also google for Charlotte Haug MD PhD and read her op-eds and her papers and similar that came out. The risks/benefits of gardasil should not be compared to doing nothing. It should be compared to getting a pap smear, and we should be spending money to make pap smears more affordable and easier to get.

For more on vaccines see the nih and the CDC. Vaccines can be miracles. But as I said, they can also be dangerous and harmful.

The thing about Guillain Barre is that you can’t point to people and say, “they are at risk for GBS”. You get it. Out of the blue. If you are diagnosed in time, it only steals 2-4 months from your life. If you are not diagnosed in time, it steals 2 years or your life. AFTER you have had it, doctors may say, “it was the vaccine six weeks ago”, or they may say, “it was the flu” from 6 weeks ago, or they may say, “it’s called a syndrome because no one knows what causes it.” (TRUE).

The journal of morbidity and mortality is what I had representatives from the CDC and my State Health Department point me to. It’s surprisingly opaque and still readable if you make the effort. It says GBS is linked, but it’s very weak, but STILL, the CDC advises and all my docs agree: no vaccines for me.

So yes, I do rely on herd immunity.

But having said that, I do not say (except in jest) that you HAVE to be vaccinated. I say use informed consent. Talk to your docs.

If you only think people should have informed consent if they agree with you then you don’t actually believe in informed consent.

If you think some people are too stupid, even with education and outreach, than you may wish to consider not living in a democracy. You may have a lot in common with George W. Bush.

If you think vaccines have always been safe and there is no need to worry about vaccination, you don’t know about vaccines. If you think that there is no need to worry about vaccines, then why do you let your taxpayer dollars pay for safety testing? Why test ‘em?

Unvaccinated kids are a public health danger, only if they have the disease. But by that measure, kids and adults who get FluMist which carries a weakened live virus that can be shed, are probably also a health danger and should not be at schools, or around pregnant women, or around the sick or elderly.

http://www.snopes.com/medical/drugs/flumist.asp

And vaccinated kids can get disease too.

The danger to schools and business is not from the vaccinated or unvaccinated, it’s from people with disease who go to school or work or come back too soon.

So yeah, informed consent, and if someone doesn’t want an injection, teach them, and respect that decision. Don’t work to eliminate opt-outs. That puts you on a par with email spammers.

“trust corporations”??? I didn’t get that from jerry’s postings.

Standing on chair an applauding and calling for more.

Sorry, I wasn’t clear. More than one friend with an autistic child. And I agree, correlation doesn’t equal causation. But they’ve got nothing else. My heart aches for these people, and it annoys me no end to see them dismissed as “child abusers.”

I’m loath to insist that parents inject their kids with something that they, even wrongly, oppose. I would, however, make it illegal for them to send their kids to school unvaccinated. (As I believe is the case in many places. Don’t parents have to show vaccination records when enrolling kids in US public schools?)

I won’t tell you that you can’t smoke. But I will tell you that you can’t pollute my air.