’)This is messed up.
The unprecedented number of death threats against President Obama, a rise in racist hate groups, and a new wave of antigovernment fervor threaten to overwhelm the US Secret Service, according to government officials and reports, raising new questions about the 144-year-old agency’s overall mission.
The Secret Service is tracking a far broader range of possible threats to the nation’s leaders, the officials said, even as it also investigates financial crimes such as counterfeiting as part of its original mandate.
The new demands are leading some officials, both inside and outside the agency, to raise the possibility of the service curtailing or dropping its role in fighting financial crime to focus more on protecting leaders and their families from assassination attempts and thwarting terrorist plots aimed at high-profile events.
Who could have predicted that An Angry Black Guy, a Fake Christian Muslim Terrorist, UnAmerican NotBornInThisCountry Who Lacks a Birth Certificate, Who Hates America and Wants Us to Grab Our Ankles Because His Father Was Black, and Whose Entire Economic Program is “Reparations” (if you know what I mean–heh, heh) would get so many threats? It’s a mystery.
If any murderous lunatic attempts to lay one hand on that angry black guy who many speculate is a fake Christian Muslim whose citizenship has been questioned along with his love for his country who was handed a nation that was ravaged by a moron who had just about as much business being president as my orange tabby…they’ll be coming home in a body bag with a toe tag that reads “Don’t **** with the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mystery solved!
And since President Grab-Your-Ankles-Because-His-Father-Was-Black pals around with Terrorists, people have a DUTY to threaten him.
to raise the possibility of the service curtailing or dropping its role in fighting financial crime to focus more on protecting leaders
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Good grief, surely this is a no-brainer. Let the FBI deal with counterfeiters so the Secret Service can concentrate on its core function.
This is clearly all the fault of liberals. If they would just have the decency to stop existing, conservatives wouldn’t have to threaten to shoot them!
Hey, Oliver, I didn’t see you complaining when Bush got assassinated [/your trolls]
Cue the conservative trolls with high-pitched squealing about how this isn’t a big deal and doesn’t need to be taken seriously, and how no prominent conservatives are stoking violence with their rhetoric.
No, the trolls will be reminding us about that fictional film about Bush getting assassinated, ergo this is exactly the same.
Do the people who complain about Obama’s government spending realize how much some of their brethren are overtaxing the Secret Service, I wonder?
Glenn Beck and Joe Farah types are shouting fire in a crowded tribalist theater
No, our resident trolls know damn good and well why there’s been a crazy spike in threats against the Scary Negro Usurper. I don’t care if they admit or not. But they know.
There seems to be a justification for everything with these trolls, huh?
More likely they’ll just whistle past this comment thread. Easier than facing the uncomfortable truths of their movement.
More grist for the left wing mill… If it were true that racism took a serious uptick with the election of Pres Obama ( I believe “pre-existing” racists just got more active and boisterous ), what are you going to do about it? Wait until there are serious interracial conflicts? Or try and ride this “Republicans hate blacks” wave to hold on to seats in Congress in 2010?
Talk about “electoral victories above all.”
@Michael Over Here- Only the not so bright ones will leave comments here. Psst~ look above.
Hey, Frank: Then what is your explanation for the increase? A direct answer, please; and none of that rhetorical mis-direction you and the rest of the resident trolls are so good at.
And why no spike in threats from all of those unhinged Bush-hatin’ liberals from 2001-2008?
Wonkette reports:
Fucking awesome job, Republicans. Fucking hilarious.
http://wonkette.com/411715/new-congressman-from-mississippi-is-just-completely-uninteresting-and-terrible
INfidel753: Good grief, surely this is a no-brainer. Let the FBI deal with counterfeiters so the Secret Service can concentrate on its core function.
Secret Service is part of the Treasury Dept and was founded to fight counterfeiting. Investigating counterfeiters is more a part of their core function than it is the FBIs.
Frank DiSalle: If it were true that racism took a serious uptick with the election of Pres Obama ( I believe “pre-existing” racists just got more active and boisterous )
There’s only an increase in racism if more people participate, not if more racists acts are committed by a fixed number of people?
You’re making that distinction? Really?
If one person commits 20 assaults that’s fewer crimes committed than 19 people committing one assault each? Really?
Sean and bikelib: I don’t claim to have a “direct answer” for the increase, but I can speculate on two: One, as I have said, is that racists that already live among us, have become more active and boisterous; and two, I suspect that many threats are made towards all Presidents, and in the case of threats since January 2009, there was probably attributed to them a taint of racism, even though it was not there.
I ask you, are you aware of any racist publications or activities directly related to Pres Obama’s election, even if they were aimed at other people?
A direct answer, please; and none of that rhetorical mis-direction you and the rest of the lefties are so good at.
Frank: One more time: Why the drastic increase between the GW Bush admin. and the current one?
Frank DiSalle: One, as I have said, is that racists that already live among us, have become more active and boisterous
Not disputing that that has occurred. Existing racists have most probably gotten louder. But doesn’t it also follow, then, that borderline racists have moved in that direction as well?
In any event, whether it’s just existing racists being louder or more folks being racist, what difference does that make? The overall noise level has gone up.
and two, I suspect that many threats are made towards all Presidents, and in the case of threats since January 2009, there was probably attributed to them a taint of racism, even though it was not there.
Again, to an extnt I’d agree. There have been some to eager to cry “Racism!” But the overall number of threats are up to such an extent that the Secret Service is considering limiting its work on other areas. Have you ever seen that happen before?
Do you honestly think that the number of race-inspired threats are increased?
There are no doubt some who would claim the increased number of threats against Obama are just a reflection of his immense unpopularity among Americans. It’s an obviously bogus claim that I’d hope you wouldn’t try to make.
Do you honestly think that the number of race-inspired threats
arehaven’t increased?“It’s to the women and men who in their hands hold a Bible and a gun
And they ain’t afraid of nothing, when when they’re holding either one
Now there’s kids who can’t pray in school
$100 dollar tanks of gas
I can tell you right now this country ain’t
AIN’T SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THAT!
NO!
‘Cause that ain’t my America
That aint this country’s roots
You wanna slam old Uncle Sam
But I ain’t letting you
I’m mad as hell and you know I still bleed Red, White, and Blue
That ain’t us
That Ain’t My America”
Lynyrd Skynyrd
It’s an obviously bogus claim that I’d hope you wouldn’t try to make.
That closes that door.. You guys are just stroking yourselves. I simply do not believe that racism is on the rise because we have a black President.
Have you heard a racist conversation within your own earshot lately? A racist letter to the editor? A racist caller on a talk show?
You want to believe that Pres Obama is the perfect solution to what ails America. You WANT to believe that only a racist could find him unpalatable, and unsuitable for the Presidency.
You WANT to believe that no one could fear him, or the potential harm he could do, so those who do must be insane.
OK, keep on believing that. Certainly, nothing I say can stop you.
Have you heard a racist conversation within your own earshot lately? A racist letter to the editor? A racist caller on a talk show?
Well, I haven’t hung around the South Carolina GOP lately, but I have seen a lot of Deadender Dittoheads defend objectively racist assholes (e.g., Rush Limbaugh, Robert Stacy McCain) in blog comments. That has to count for something.
@Frank-”Have you heard a racist conversation within your own earshot lately? A racist letter to the editor? A racist caller on a talk show?”
Fake News, DailyKos weekend hatemail; email from a racist Doctor(that was recently on the Glenn Beck show; email from a racist Boston cop; etc, Rush Limbaugh & Glenn Beck radio shows.
What was that you were saying again?
That has to count for something.
So, someone you consider to be a racist has been defended by others , and that indicates racism is on the rise?
No, that doesn’t count for anything.
I do think that if some right wing knucklehead tries something against Obama, then there are a whoooole lot of right wingers who would be about to experience the wrong end of some serious ass-kickings.
Yeah, CJ , you heard all that in the last week. And I’m a fiddler’s uncle.
Frank DiSalle: That closes that door.
It was the intent. You have a problem with that?
Were you going to argue that the increased number of threats teh Secret Service is having to deal with is the result of Obama’s high unpopularity with a majority of the citizenry?
Also Republicans officials sending racist emails about President Obama or black people in general…
http://www.nashvilleistalking.com/2009/06/sen-diane-blacks-r-gallatin-legislative-aid-circulates-racist-email/
http://www.pensitoreview.com/2009/02/26/oc-gop-mayor-caught-sending-racist-email-about-obama/
http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_buck16.3d67d4a.html
http://wonkette.com/406018/hilarious-racist-email-gets-gop-official-fired
Frank, what was that you were saying again?
Frank DiSalle: Have you heard a racist conversation within your own earshot lately? A racist letter to the editor? A racist caller on a talk show?
Yes. Yes. And yes.
You want to believe that Pres Obama is the perfect solution to what ails America.
No. Again, as I’ve explained to you before (without you rebutting it ever) this is the “The One” and “The Messiah” crap that right wingers keep claiming is the case so they have a strawman to play pinata on.
Are there those who really, REALLY like and defend Obama? Of course. There are extremes in any group. But the vast majority who supported and voted for Obama did not see him as “perfect”. And it just continues to show how biased and un-realistic you are in your view that you keep insisting they do.
Frank DiSalle: You WANT to believe that no one could fear him, or the potential harm he could do, so those who do must be insane.
Again with the extremes. I don’t agree with all Obama has done. A sentiment expressed by several others here on the left. I would LOVE to hear from someone who could make a reasonable, reasoned, non-GOP-talking-point case against a public option, for example.
Certainly, nothing I say can stop you.
Not as long as you keep with the “You all think he’s the savior and we’re insane” vein. No.
Frank DiSalle: Yeah, CJ , you heard all that in the last week. And I’m a fiddler’s uncle.
And I hear your nephew’s really pretty good.
C;mon, Frank. You can’t put out a “You’ve not heard that this week!” claim and then, when folks say, “Uh, yeah. I have.” just say they’re lying. Well, I guess you can, because you did. But it’s just more of your “That horse is D-E-A-D” crap when someone makes a valid point you just don’t want to hear.
@Frank-”You want to believe that Pres Obama is the perfect solution to what ails America. ”
No one is saying that he is the perfect solution, but he is our President and we must give him the chance to govern.
Just like Sean I have disagreed with some of President Obama decisions; like not having single payer on the Health care reform table, his willingness to have bipartisanship (even after Republicans used that as a tool to attack him with) over getting his own party in line, his continuing to help banks even though they are still not helping consumers, his unwillingness to pull out of Afghanistan (which he could have good reason for not to), and his inability to force Congress to get rid of “Don’t ask,don’t tell”.
But I will come to his defense when I see people trumping up falsehoods(i.e indoctrination of school kids, czars, FEMA concentration camps, death panels,etc) and fake criticism(i.e taken away rights, the bailouts, government spending, stimulus outrage, etc) towards him.
You WANT to believe that only a racist could find him unpalatable, and unsuitable for the Presidency.
You WANT to believe that no one could fear him, or the potential harm he could do, so those who do must be insane.
Unsurprisingly, you’ve missed the point of the whole thread. There are reasons beyond racism or out-and-out insanity that somebody might find Obama unsuitable to be President.
Racism and insanity, however, are incredibly likely reasons for making threats against the life of said President.
The Secret Service isn’t overtaxed because some people just don’t agree with Obama. It’s overtaxed because they’ve taken their disagreement to a scary and treacherous level.
“Have you heard a racist conversation within your own rarshot lately?”
Yes. And you can too.
All you need to do is walk into any rural gas station/jiffy store, small town white barber shop, or “home-cookin’” restaurant in the South and mention Obama. Where the hell do you live, Mars?
Bruce Henry, I didn’t say “Where can such a (hypothetical) conversation be heard (possibly)?”
I said, “Have you heard a racist conversation within your own earshot lately?”
And I live in New Rochelle, New York, where people engaging in such conversations would be shown the door. America aint’ “Deliverance”!
America also ain’t just New Rochelle, Frank.
Thanks for informations man.
Spider, who said anything about insanity?
Isn’t the whole point of this thread that whereas in November, the Obama victory was seen as a victory for anti-racist sentiment, now the opposition to Obama is seen as evidence of a rise in racism, such that even the Secret Service’s job of protecting the President has been affected.
It couldn’t possibly be that he is dropping in popularity, and the books are being cooked to generate sympathy.
It couldn’t be that threats are presumed to be racist in nature, when there is no known motivation.
It couldn’t be a bureaucratic ploy on the part of the Secret Service to get more agents or more money.
Oh, no!
It must be racism, and it must be right wing racism… Of course, there are no Democratic racists.
How conveeeeeeeeeeeenient!
Frank, perhaps I wasn’t clear. I work in a job where I often visit country gas stations/jiffy stores, barber shops, and greasy spoons. In those locations, and many others, I often hear, or overhear, conversations that sound plenty racist to me.
And as a white, middle-aged Southerner myself, I know it when I hear it. Heard it all my life. Don’t kid yourself, dude. And don’t even try to tell me that a large part of the opposition to Obama isn’t due to racism. At least where I live, it very much IS.
I won’t , then. It just seems to me amazing that he won a clear victory in a racist counry, or did the racism occur in January, when people saw the Inauguration, and said “Oh, shit! He’s black!”
Frank, the italics in my previous post were things you wrote, as is the parlance of the forum.
You brought up insanity.
So your contention here is that racism is the least likely cause of a spike in threats against the life of the President.
Despite the national history of race issues and the rise in recruitment among white supremacist groups since last November, it is more likely that the administration and the Secret Service are engaged in a conspiracy to make it look like there are more threats against Obama’s life.
Do you know what Occam’s Razor is, Frank?
The fact that he won doesn’t mean we’re free of all racists. I don’t think previously unracist people have become racist since January. I think some already racist people have had 9 months to let their anger, fear, and resentments grow, and have become more vocal. And I think a lot more people may be at least subconsciously racist than we like to admit.
I think some already racist people have had 9 months to let their anger, fear, and resentments grow, and have become more vocal.
I agree and said so long ago. But I was shouted down by the crew that wanted desperately to believe that this is a burgeoning racism, coming from the right.
Now, that couldn’t be for any political advantage, now could it?
SpiderJ : Do you know anything about politics, current events, and bureaucracies?
sorry about that
Well played, Frank. Were I a second grader I would be most humbled by your display of rhetorical prowess.
Frank DiSalle: Bruce Henry, I didn’t say “Where can such a (hypothetical) conversation be heard (possibly)?”
I said, “Have you heard a racist conversation within your own earshot lately?”
And when people answered that they have, you dismiss them as lying. So where is the point in actually trying to answer your question?
And I live in New Rochelle, New York, where people engaging in such conversations would be shown the door.
Yet you’ve commented that in nearby Bronxville a woman was repeatedly assumed to be a nanny because she was Puerto Rican and the child she was with was white.
I’d disagree with that as a general characterization of Bronxville, but your observation then conflicts with your current apparent view that New Rochelle is typical of everywhere.
Just because something is one way in your town doesn’t mean it’s like that everywhere. Your close-mindedness is showing. You really need to broaden your horizons, Frank, and take a look at the world beyond your neighborhood.
Frank DiSalle: Isn’t the whole point of this thread that whereas in November, the Obama victory was seen as a victory for anti-racist sentiment, now the opposition to Obama is seen as evidence of a rise in racism, such that even the Secret Service’s job of protecting the President has been affected.
So people voting for Obama shows there are many who put race aside. And the existence of increased threats against him show there are some who have been unable to do so.
There is no inherent contradiction between those two statements.
Frank DiSalle: It couldn’t possibly be that he is dropping in popularity, and the books are being cooked to generate sympathy.
It couldn’t be that threats are presumed to be racist in nature, when there is no known motivation.
It couldn’t be a bureaucratic ploy on the part of the Secret Service to get more agents or more money.
It could be.
It could be.
And it could be.
Although I think that last one really very unlikely for a host of actuall realistic reasons and would like to see SOME support given for accepting any of them as actual possibilities worth considering.
Could it not also be that folks who oppose Obama because of his race have been getting more vocal about it?
You’re dismissing out of hand the possible reasons given by the other side while insisting it not dismiss out of hand your possible reasons.
And, typically, you’re insisting the other side is saying “it’s all racism”. Ascribing a single extreme viewpoint so you have a nice strawman to whack at.
Frank DiSalle: It just seems to me amazing that he won a clear victory in a racist counry
Again, if you look at how things actually are, Frank, it’s not a homogeneous country. And 46% of the people voted for the other guy.
A few words for you, Frank. FOX NEW, FOX NEWS, FOX NEWS.
I find it quite interesting that this “news” organization has been feeding people nothing but fear and hatred about this administration. For 24/7 they do nothing but betray the Obama Administration as an entity ready to bust down people doors and hog tie them up and ship them to Gitmo. Plus we have Rush and Glenn(besides his tv show) on their radio shows helping to drum up these fears and hatred even more. Then we have the on-line fear and hate-mongering at sites like RedStates, The Drudge, WorldNetDaily, etc doing this on a daily bases.
If a person does nothing but listen to these shows on a daily bases no one in their right mind would think the world is safe. People like yourself are being feed this stuff and you’re just eating it up(it says a lot about yourself too).
So now you have a good idea why the SS are having such an overwhelming time keeping track of all the hatred being spewed out towards the President and his family.
…they do nothing but
betrayportray the Obama Administration as an entity ready to bust down people doors and…Think that’s what you meant.
Oops yea. Thanks
I hate proofreading.
CJ : I am here reading this stuff, am I not?
And let me tell you what “It says about me”
I do not watch television. I do not listen to political talk radio. I do not read RedStates, The Drudge, or WorldNetDaily.
You see, what you think says so much about me , says absolutely nothing about me.
Your stereotype is BS. You know nothing about how people on the right acquire news — you have a picture of fat men in “wife beaters” with a beer in one hand, and a remote in the other, entranced by FOX News 24 hours a day.
Yet, everywhere I go — the VA, doctor’s offices, barber shops — CNN is on.
Newspaper stores have the New York Times, El Diario, the Daily News , the local paper , but 50% of them don’t have the New York Post.
Magazine stores don’t sell National Review
You lefties are never aware of the real world.
You lefties are never aware of the real world.
Says Frank, the King of Internet Unintentional Comedy.
“Magazine stores don’t sell National Review”
To be fair, nobody (including Republicans) reads the National Review any more.
Mambo, some people have vast ideas – yours are half vast.
Jaim, of course, has no idea how many people read National Review, making this statement his premier entry for the most unsupported , undocumented, statement he has made since I began reading his comments .
Actually I was making a joke, but it went over your head.
Frank DiSalle: You know nothing about how people on the right acquire news — you have a picture of
It continues to amaze me how you can, in a single sentence, object to people doing exactly what you then yourself do. You object to cj claiming to know what you think and for having a stereotyped view of rightwingers even as you say you know what s/he thinks and describe your stereotyped view of someone on the left.
Frank DiSalle: Jaim, of course, has no idea how many people read National Review
Yet Frank knows for sure that “50% of [Newspaper stores] don’t have the New York Post.”
As I noted in just the previous post….
“…making this statement his premier entry for the most unsupported , undocumented, statement he has made since I began reading his comments .”
Indeed, Frank, your comment was. Thanks for putting it so concisely.
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