There is no line between daytime “straight” news and evening opinion on Fox. None.
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Fox News says they are “fair and balanced,” so they must be.
Rush Limbaugh insists that he isn’t racist, so he must not be.
Robert Stacy McCain says that if you think race mixing is icky, it doesn’t mean you’re not racist, so you must not be.
Anonymous Deadend Dittohead Blog Trolls believe that saying things like “I do believe” Obama is an ‘angry black guy’,” and “Obama’s entire economic program is reparations,” and “Obama is “Halfrican-American,” and “Obama has disowned his white half … he’s decided he’s got to go all in on the black side,” and, well a whole bunch of well documented shit* isn’t racist, so it can’t possibly be.
Who you gonna believe? Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Robert Stacy McCain, Dennis, or your lyin’ eyes and ears?
* http://mediamatters.org/research/200910160044
So now a news station covering events like the tea parties or discussing Obama’s czars makes them a mouthpiece for the GOP?
I didn’t realize that Russ Feingold was some covert GOP member.
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/feingold-to-hold-hearings-on-obamas-czars.php
Media Matters is a joke. Really.
At least you get a paycheck out of it.
Ruth Marcus, WaPo: Obama’s dumb war with Fox News
Helen Thomas, The Hill: Thomas to White House: End Fox fight
John Nichols, The Nation: Whiner-In-Chief
Obama gets the left-left-left triple-whammy combination.
The press’ WTF moment.
So now a news station covering events like the tea parties
“Covering”? I think the word you wanted was “promoting”.
Oh noes! A damning video! Better try to ignore the issue and flood the zone with “Look Over Here” links, pronto!
Woah.
Escalation.
Joe Gibbs….worse than Scotty.
Oh yes, Jake Tapper is part of the really serious unbiased DC Village…gimme a fuckin break. He comes to the defense of Fox as fast as he can, like most DC Press Corpse members do. Remember this is THEIR town, and they can run it like the little high school clique that they are. How DARE you speak ill of Fox, demands Tapper?
And Joe Gibbs was the coach of the Redskins, numbnuts.
I love it. Wingnuts like Dennis are quoting Helen Thomas and the evil librul WashPost?
Irony is truly lost on wingnuts. They just don’t have the receptors in their small lizard like brains to get it.
Ya know, Burn, you’re right, I think I like Barry Gibbs, better. Joe won a couple Super Bowls and is a very smart guy.
Interesting take, Burn, considering he works for ABC News. You’d think Barry could have a better comeback than referring to the opinion shows that come one after 5:00, espcecially since Media Matters has been working so hard to get it out there that they take issue with some of the daytime stuff, too. eric Boehlert is probably going crazy right now wondering why Gibbie didn’t read his frantic tweets.
‘Uhhh, that’s our opinion.’
Yeesh.
Burn, that’s the freakin’ point. Even libs are telling these numbnutz Obama advisors to stop embarrassing this glass-jawed President more than they already have.
They’re saying “No mas!“
Even libs are telling these numbnutz Obama advisors to stop embarrassing this glass-jawed President more than they already have.
Why do you suppose Fox’s response was: “Well, you’re right, but that’s only O’Reilly, and Hannity, and Beck! Not all of our people parrot the GOP!”
Hey, if folks want to try and counter “Fox is a wing of the GOP” with “Helen Thomas says Obama should end the fight with Fox”, I suppose that’s their right.
I guess FOX never got the memo from Rush to never criticize “the little black man-child” because he’s an “angry black guy” and if we’re not careful, white kids will get “beat up with the black kids cheering.”
Over here! Over there! Pay no attention to the video behind the curtain!
Hey isms,
Here’s a clue for ya and a tip to save you some time.
When you and Indeed put quotes around something, it doesn’t mean anything more than a warning to the reader that the quote may very well not be an actual quote or it may be forged.
So the quotation marks aren’t really necessary for you two.
There is a difference: Hannity on Fox “opinion” yells “It’s reverse racism!!” Daisy Dimplecheeks on Fox “news” says “people are concerned that it’s reverse racism,” which is true – Hannity is people, isn’t he?
Fox opinion manufactures the outrage, Fox news reports on the manufactured outrage.
Check out what long time Fox News pundit Pat Buchanan actually said:
http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=10&year=2009&base_name=pat_buchanan_white_americans_l
You’re fast Dennis, I tried to sneak one by you but your Rush Defense Alert System is fully activated.
So the quotation marks aren’t really necessary for you two.
http://mediamatters.org/research/200910160044
Good call.
Oliver really needs a “Two Minute Hate” tag. This post would’ve been perfect.
Wilbur, there isn’t a wit’s difference between that and what MSNBC and to a large extent CNN does, too.
An example would be calling the protesters ‘teabaggers’, which was repeated over and over by Olbermann and Maddow, and then to the news shows. Cooper Anderson gets a lot of grief for being a CNN anchor and saying “It’s hard to talk when you’r teabagging.”, but if he wants to snicker over that mental image far be it from me to deprive him of it.
Wilbur, there isn’t a wit’s difference between that and what MSNBC and to a large extent CNN does, too.
Haven’t noticed the ginning up of outrage results on NBC. And what about Pat Buchanan?
Indeed, you know that Buchanan is an MSNBC pundit and not a Fox pundit. You are well aware of this, but you called him a Fox pundit merely to appear like the off-topic link you were dying to post here would look on-topic.
Amazing.
Jay Tea could not have said it better; you are that unique specimen of troll who trolls on the side of the site’s owner.
A true “rara avis”.
An example would be calling the protesters ‘teabaggers’, which was repeated over and over by Olbermann and Maddow, and then to the news shows. Cooper Anderson gets a lot of grief for being a CNN anchor and saying “It’s hard to talk when you’r teabagging.”, but if he wants to snicker over that mental image far be it from me to deprive him of it.
The teabaggers called THEMSELVES teabaggers, Dennis. It was a nickname they gave themselves. A minor, but important, demonstration of their stupidity.
Wilbur, there isn’t a wit’s difference between that and what MSNBC and to a large extent CNN does, too.
Translation: You guys do it too, therefore it’s not fair! Leave FOX alone! Leave it alone!!! Also, I refuse to back up my assertions with any facts or evidence to support my case. Also, I cannot comprehend written English. Also, I molest collies. I’ve got problems.
Jay Tea could not have said it better
Holding Jay Tea up as a model of articulate and reasoned commentary. That is priceless.
Where did Jay Tea go? Curious.
“So the quotation marks aren’t really necessary for you two.”
Are you denying he said those things I quoted? I heard them with mine own ears.
Are you denying he said those things I quoted? I heard them with mine own ears.
But Uncle Dennis said they never happened. Who ya gonna believe?
That one hit the nail on the proverbial head, mambo.
Be honest, do they have that type of freak troll like Indeed at Daily Kos or or Think Progress (Which Does Neither) or HuffPo or Sadly, No! or T-bogg or digby or No More Mr.Nice Blog or C&L?
Wilbur, there isn’t a wit’s difference between that and what MSNBC and to a large extent CNN does, too.
Yes there is, Dennis, a huge whit. You might even say it’s the whit that ate Cleveland.
Once in a blue moon an msnbc news person may let a bit of commentary slip in, but by and large they’re straight as vanilla. There’s none of the massive coordination you see between fox “news” and fox “opinion”.
Indeed, you know that Buchanan is an MSNBC pundit and not a Fox pundit. You are well aware of this, but you called him a Fox pundit merely to appear like the off-topic link you were dying to post here would look on-topic.
Oh, my mistake. Is that why MSNBC is so ultra-Liberal? I just assumed that since what Buchanan said was so racist, that he must be a Fox News talking head, to go along with their Bill “motherfucking ice t” O’Reilly and Glenn “Obama hates the white culture, if you know what I mean and I think you do” Beck. I apologize in full.
Indeed, you know that Buchanan is an MSNBC pundit and not a Fox pundit.
Yeah, Indeed, you should have just put an (R) after his name instead.
C’mon, mambo, everybody knows they called themselves that, or some did. It had nothing to do with the sex act that you guys snicker over and repeat incessantly now. To the point where someone like EJ Dionne says it on ABC THis Week and he doesn’t even know what he said. It’s funny, but the fact of the matter KO and Madcow and the nutroots got it out there in the lexicon,and they are laughing about and callinp a sex act that means placing one’s scrotum in the mouth of another.
If that’s not something you guys are embarrassed about for carrying on with, then don’t get your panties in a bunch for some of the things Limbaugh says about liberals. Indeed’s gonna have a coronary over him say ‘bend over and grab your ankles’. That’s how y’all roll, fine. Just realize you’re no better and no different than what you bitch about.
God damn, mambo. Especially you. You could make a sailor blush.
Explain Contessa Brewer then when MSNBC showed a video of a guy carrying an assault rifle to a health care forum and she was going on about the racial aspects to it, all the while the video of the guy carrying the gun the camera was only panning his lower body, and never revealed that the guy was black. Contessa Brewer isn’t an opinion person, but you’d never know it watching her during the day.
Contessa Brewer isn’t an opinion person, but you’d never know it watching her during the day.
This Contessa Brewer. I’m not making the argument that Brewer is a con, she’s just a dumb “journalist”.
Ya know, Indeed, I could go find a quote or link of yours where you brought up Buchanan and the fact that he was an MSNBC pundit and you knew it would be quite evident.
I could do that and presumably embarrass you and show you and everyone else here once again that you’re a liar; but it doesn’t matter to you anymore. You don’t care and you don’t get embarrassed any more. You just keep coming back for more. Like you were born with Stockholme Syndrome.
Except that he’s not an (R ), Wilbur.
You did know that, right?
“don’t get your panties in a bunch for some of the things Limbaugh says about liberals.”
What about the things he said (and will keep saying) about Halfricans, Injuns and Nags, can we get our knickers in a twist about those remarks that he made?
Dennis noted:
“C’mon, mambo, everybody knows they called themselves that, or some did. It had nothing to do with the sex act that you guys snicker over and repeat incessantly now.”
Wait, you’re mad at liberals because we point and laugh at (really stupid) names conservatives call themselves? Do I have that right?
Ya know, Indeed, I could go find a quote or link of yours where you brought up Buchanan and the fact that he was an MSNBC pundit and you knew it would be quite evident.
Who or what is stopping you? The all-powerful Al Sharpton? Is it because we all have to grab our ankles because Obama’s father was black? (by the way, that’s totally not a racist thing to say)
This is a hopeless argument with the right. The ignorance is strong with them.
Cons are authoritarians like John Dean talked about in Conservatives Without Conscience. They won’t acknowledge what everyone can see from the Media Matters video. It’s always look over thereism
Explain Contessa Brewer then ..
I did already:
Now assuming your characterization of Brewer’s statement is correct (which I doubt it is), would you agree that what Fox does on a regular basis is at least as bad as that? If not, why not?
Except that he’s not an (R ), Wilbur.
And a lot of the unsavory people that Fox puts (D)’s after the names of aren’t really (D)’s. You knew that, right, Dennis?
Oh, and also Dennis, I don’t give a screw what Buchanan is now, but he used to be an R. Ran for pres on the R ticket in fact, so putting R after his name would be less inaccurate than all the D’s that Fox puts after R names when those R’s get in trouble.
I don’t give a screw what Buchanan is now, but he used to be an R. Ran for pres on the R ticket in fact
Got it: Joe Lieberman-Democrat.
You know, Wilbur, Alan Colmes hosts a radio show and he takes a lot of callers. Why don’t you or any enterprising poster here call him sometime and ask him how the chryon operators are staffed and how the mistakes happen, and why. I notice misspellings on them frequently that bug me but I’m cursed that way. But call Alan and see if there’s something more sinister going besides it being the kind of job that an intern or college kid like Zython might do as a part-time gig and that he does after he’s blown a few doobs before he comes in to work and just simply screws up because he has no idea if Mark Sanford is a D or an R. Or maybe someone here knows someone that’s ever worked at Fox and knows that Roger Ailes works those things from inside his office where he’s got a special keyboard that overrides the chyron operator in the newsroom. It has to be an evil plot that they’d want to do it even in years when there aren’t any elections.
What really amazes me is the Media Matters puts together a list of all the times it happens, but no one there can ever do any real investigative work to get someone on record to swear what is really going on with them. There’s no story, just hunches, and MM thrives on stories. I mean, look at you. You’re completely convinced it’s done on purpose as a mind control thing that people who watch Fox are too stupid to google Mark Sanford after they just saw the mistake that he had a D by his name on one of the TV shows they watch that day. You guys, every single day, continue to amaze me.
There’s no story, just hunches, and MM thrives on
storieshunches.Golly, Dennis, you don’t have to expend so much effort to prove to us that you’re humor impaired.
AO, I used to work in a news room, and I used to do chyron. ALL the CGs have a preview graphic which the TD and Director can see prior to putting it on air. ALL CG’s are written by the reporter or a producer, and the producer has to approve it before it gets typed. If there was a mistake, it would be spotted before t hit the air, and fixed on the fly. If it got past because everyone’s asleep at the switch, then it would be taken down as soon as it got noticed.
Yes, mistakes happen, but it’s the producers job to insure the show gets put together properly, and if a basic mistake like that happens once or twice, it’s bad, but it can be forgiven. This frequency exceeds that level, IMO. Either it’s on purpose, or Fox News has less quality control than a basic cable government channel.
What really amazes me is the Media Matters puts together a list of all the times it happens, but no one there can ever do any real investigative work to get someone on record to swear what is really going on with them.
Great point! Why, just look at this:
http://mediamatters.org/blog/200910200022
I mean, any decent journalist would be able to see that it’s a simple statement and in no way racist at all. And why wouldn’t Boehlert just call in to the Rush Limbaugh radio program to get his answer, as you so astutely advised Wilbur to do with Alan Colmes’?
It seems to me that all the negative vibes this blowhard (Rush Hudson Limbaugh A.KA. Jeff Christie) has been spewing over these many years has come back to blow back on his face (A classic “Blow Back”). He always tries to give off the airs that he can have anything he wants but as we all witness those with more money and more influence tossed him aside like sack of potatoes and the ultimate insult was that it was done in public (money don’t buy you everything butterball).
Now of course he blames everyone else (Michael J. Fox, Perez Hilton, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Obama, Oprah Winfrey, Sonia Sotomayor, Hillary Clinton, Olympia Snowe, ESPN, NFL, the media, basically people of color, the handicapped, women and gays) when of course all you have to do is listen to his show and plainly hear his daily prejudices filled sermons. So NFL, I salute you decision, job well done. And to the whaling cry baby perched on his self made pedestal, quit your whining it was your own fault. You are reaping what he has sowed, KARMA, “Palin and simple” like his followers. Don’t we all feel better?
http://www.chasingevil.org/2009/10/rush-limbaugh-in-his-own-words.html
I’m going to have to side with the conservatives on this one. FoxNews seems more fair and balanced.
Alan Colmes is a very famous liberal. Greta Van Sustern is an L. Ron Hubbard cultist (not an evangelical Christian), and regular guest pundit Juan Williams is a negro! And witness these quotes by key FoxNews personnel:
“I like Sen. Obama very much. I have met him. He is a very intelligent man.”
-R. Murdoch
“So anyway I’d be rubbing your big boobs and getting your nipples really hard, kinda’ kissing your neck from behind…and then I would take the other hand with the falafel thing and I’d just put it on your p***y but you’d have to do it really light, just kind of a tease business…”
-B. OReilly
“While I’m paid to do what Roger (Ailes) wants, if Obama ever appeared on my show I’d take it up the ass.”
-S. Hannity
Doesn’t sound all that conservative to me.
But call Alan and see if there’s something more sinister going besides it being the kind of job that an intern or college kid like Zython might do as a part-time gig and that he does after he’s blown a few doobs before he comes in to work and just simply screws up because he has no idea if Mark Sanford is a D or an R.
Sounds like a real quality news organization.
But call Alan and see if there’s something more sinister going besides it being the kind of job that an intern or college kid like Zython might do as a part-time gig and that he does after he’s blown a few doobs before he comes in to work and just simply screws up because he has no idea if Mark Sanford is a D or an R.
Didn’t O’Reilly stoners all watched The Daily Show instead of his program?
Meant to write:
Didn’t O’Reilly say…
Compared to their big-time, prime-time agitprop, the Fox D and R problem is a tiny matter, but it sure is interesting to see how thin-skinned our wingnut brethren are about it.
Something for them to consider:
a) if it is just because of incompetent lackeys, wouldn’t the same thing occur as often on other networks? Are other networks’ lackeys more competent?
b) if it is just an innocent mistake, wouldn’t there be as many R’s misidentified as D’s as D’s misidentified as R’s? Wouldn’t unindicted R’s get misidentified as D’s as often as indicted ones are?
Maybe the chyron’s sticky.
True story – we had just gotten a new CG system for our studio, and over the weekend we had installed it, it rained very heavily, and the roof leaked in the control room. Right over the Chyron. Half the keys wouldn’t work, or rather they did, if you waited 20 seconds to get it go actually type. We had to rewire an old Amiga in place while we fixed it. I doubt that’s what happened here, but you know? Good times…
and see if there’s something more sinister going besides it being the kind of job that an intern or college kid like Zython might do as a part-time gig and that he does after he’s blown a few doobs before he comes in to work and just simply screws up because he has no idea if Mark Sanford is a D or an R.
Dennis, you wish you knew how to quit me, don’t you?
When I think of young, mindless fuck-ups, yes, it is hard not to think of you, Zython.
Swear to God, woke up this morning, turned on Fox News, and the first chyron caption I saw after the Robert Gibbs WH press gaggle embarrassment was about Sarah Palin’s upcoming interview with Oprah.
The caption was : Oprah: Going Rouge?
Not ‘Going Rogue, like the title of Sarah’s book, but the misspelling that impish liberals use, thinking they’ve found something clever in their obsessive quest to mock her, for a type of facial cosmetic.
If this had happened to a liberal, you can be sure Eric Boehlert would be reporting on it, and the liberal blogs would be squeezing their worn-down pearls.
As it is, no one cares.
Isn’t obvious where they spend their money, Wil? Look at all the stunningly beautiful, incredibly intelligent women on that network. I mean, Patty Anne Brown… c’mon. I imagine at MSNBC, they have Rachel Maddow in charge of the Chyron Department and she does the proof-reading. Good for them.
You, Wilbur, have no idea the number of both mistakes because you get your information from Media Matters and whatever lib blog links to their reporting on it, and they’d never report on an aggrieved Republican.
Conservatives don’t care about such silliness, no matter what side is the aggrieved. If a conservative friend of mine ever complained to me about an indicted D misidentified as an R on the Obama channel, I would laugh at him for being a wuss and tell him to just stop watching that stupid network. Problem solved.
Pretty far off-topic again, Indeed. The thread is about Fox News daytime programming.
Maybe you shouldn’t started your ‘Look, over there’ post with, ‘Eric Boehlert at Media Matters, who sometimes blogs about Fox News….. Why, just look at this!
Even if this is true, Democrats have MSNBC, at the very least. What’s the problem?
Even if this is true, Democrats have MSNBC, at the very least. What’s the problem?
Um, equivalence? Does MSNBC, as an entity, push the Democrats’ agenda?
Oh, and Pat Buchanan.
It’s all about Containment, Buzz.
Tapper’s just wondering at what point they come after ABC News, too.
It’s funny, Hillary got David Shuster reprimanded and suspended and Keith Olbermann on his knees apologizing for his slip when he said “Right. Somebody who can take her into a room and only he comes out.”, but you never hear Gibbs, Obama, Axelrod or Rahm criticizing MSNBC anywhere close to the way they do Fox.
Well, yeah, pretty much.
Oh, sorry, they told Joe Scarborough to stop being an asshole when he laughed in the early morning about the prior night announcement that Obama had won the Nobel.
My bad.
Isn’t obvious where they spend their money, Wil?
Well it’s obvious they don’t spend it on journalism. Making the Dennises of the world see starbursts is higher priority.
You, Wilbur, have no idea the number of both mistakes
That’s true. I’ve never seen a thorough controlled study. Why don’t you watch a couple hundred hours of each network over the next week and report back to us, Dennis?
Conservatives don’t care about such silliness…
Right. That’s why you went to the trouble of typing several hundred turgid words on the topic yesterday evening. But I’m sure you do as much typing when our right-wing counterparts engage in similar silliness, right? Dennis, your prose is so scintillating I’m sure we’d all be delighted if you dig up and repost here some of the letters you wrote to newsbusters, powerline, glenn reynolds, etc. telling them how silly they’re being when they post silly shit like this.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/200910210003
The Jake Tapper/Fox News Situation explained in detail. But you have to click the links, which is apparently too difficult for some people. Tapper can’t discern why Fox News is different. Shoosh, he probably also thinks
isn’t racist either.
Thank you, Wilbur, and those sites don’t partake in such silliness, so there’s no comments from me there on the subject for me to go dig up. Sorry.
Thank you, Wilbur, and those sites don’t partake in such silliness
Did you click on the link, Dennis?
or simply search for “name that party” on any of the aforementioned ‘nutblogs.
That commentary had nothing to do with a chyron having an R instead of a D, Wilhemina.
Sorry, it’s not ’similar silliness’.
Nope, not similar at all. Because it just isn’t similar, that’s why! No, it isn’t!
No, Bruce, not that Wilbur wants to set a trap, but the effect is the same, and trying to relate one to the other only brings 5 other people into the fray and then it’s off to the races and no one knows what the thread topic is about, and the blame for that goes to me. Sorry to disappoint, but it’s not the same. Why don’t you take a stab at it and argue why it is.
Why don’t you take a stab at it and argue why it is.
O-tay. It and the dozens of similar posts you can find Wingerspace call for the smelling salts because the found a story or two in some newspaper or teevee report that does not mention the party affiliation of a disgraced democrat until late in the story. Whereas, they say, stories about disgraced republicans always, always I say, scream out their party affiliation in the very first sentence.
Now if one wants to bother to debunk this, one could say “oh, it’s just a harmless error by a harried copyeditor on deadline” or “oh, you don’t know whether it happens as often the other way around – you just notice it more often when it happens in the case of D’s”. Kinda like what you have done in the Fox chyron business, eh?
Looks pretty similar to me. Want to tell us why you think they’re not similar?
PS: it’s spelled WilheLmina, Dummas.
Very well, but the next time a Republican is President, none of you that thinks this is a good thing can say a word when that President goes after any network(s) critical of him/her.
You’re right, I shouldn’t have said, Wilhemina. Anyone named Wilbur who has a picture of Wilbur and Mr. Ed as his gravatar shouldn’t have his name’s gender changed like I did. Sorry.
About the comparison, though, it’s not the same because it just isn’t. As a noted radio commentator said, ‘There, I said it.’ It just isn’t. Comments are closed there, anyway, I’m sure. If I had posted there regularly, I would’ve said it wasn’t anything to get worked up about, but that’s what those kinds of sites do. I usually know who’s a R or a D, so I don’t pay those kinds of things much attention. Not kidding, I don’t post at any conservative sites. Last one with any regularity was Polipundit in 2004. A few of the bloggers there I liked matriculated to Jay Tea’s site, so if there was one I would, that might be it. I never understood the appeal of everyone who thinks about the same way circle-jerking each other and trying to outdo the last poster.
Sorry, it’s not ’similar silliness’.
Because it’s not, OK? It’s just not! Look over here!
Good point, Buzz. I don’t think people here can think that far ahead. That or they think Republicans will never be in a position to make the same kind of Orwellian overtures of intimidation.
First they came for the tea parties, and I did not speak out—because I was not a tea-partier;
Then they came for Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Dittohead or Beck follower;
Then they came for Fox News, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Fox viewer;
Then they came for Media Matters and OW.com, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Media Matters loyalist or OW sycophant;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.
About the comparison, though, it’s not the same because it just isn’t. As a noted radio commentator said, ‘There, I said it.’ It just isn’t.
Damn, Dennis, for a minute there I thought you might have something intelligent to say on the topic. My bad.
Very well, but the next time a Republican is President, none of you that thinks this is a good thing can say a word when that President goes after any network(s) critical of him/her.
If any other news source was as overtly and obviously politicized as Fox s/he would be in his/her right to do so.
I think that’s more what you meant to say, isn’t it?
Ruh-roh.
Media Matters got some ’splainin to do……
Today…..Breaking: New ACORN video from Philadelphia
Sept. 17, 2009 Media Matters: Police report filed by ACORN exposes false claims by individuals behind videos
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“Eric Boehlert, call your office. Paging David Brock.”
That’s really what it boils down to. You will only feel that way when you disagree with their bias. So, when things turn around, and it’s bias you agree with that’s being attacked, just remember you said that.
The real deal on why liberal Democrats from Obama on down the line and their supporters rant about Fox News. The network doesn’t allow them to cherry pick the questions they get asked or the format of their programs. Leftists generally thrive when they can cherry pick, bully and intimidate decent people into getting what they want. Many of the decent people they bully should and actually do know better. Whenever anyone stands up to leftists they react like a school punk that got stood up to.
http://therealrevo.com/blog/?p=14806
Another Nanny State (Canada) is ready to change while the United Socialist States of America wants socialism. Is this true?
Very well, but the next time a Republican is President, none of you that thinks this is a good thing can say a word when that President goes after any network(s) critical of him/her
We already have an example of this. Bush’s Press Secretary, Ari Fleischer, stating in a threatening tone “Your attitude has been noted” whenever he was asked a question deemed “hostile.” True, it wasn’t a network he was attacking, just individual reporters, who pretty much ceased asking hard hitting questions for fear of losing access.
How quickly they forget.
That’s really what it boils down to. You will only feel that way when you disagree with their bias.
I know you wish there was a perfect equivalence here Buzz, but there really isn’t. Reporters on msnbc or cnn will occasionally let their biases shine through, and often those biases will be slightly (never strongly, in my experience) liberal. On the whole msnbc and cnn at least try to appear even handed, and I fully beleive it is their corporate mission (not always acheived) to be non-partisan. Both cnn and msnbc have deliberately hired rightist commentators, from Joe Scarborough to Glen Beck to Michael Savage. All Fox has had on a regular basis is the milquetoast Alan Colmes, and they don’t even have him any more. Fox was founded explicitly to present a right-leaning network in order to present what its founders felt was an underrepresented point of view. Whether there really was an underrepresented point of view that needed to be aired is debateable, but there is no debating that that is what Fox has proceeded to do. Their corporate mission is to be partisan and you can see it in Chris Wallace’s borrowing of the “death panel” rhetoric for his sensationalist story about the VA pamphlet (rhetoric repeated up and down the Fox programming schedule almost as if it was – yeah- coordinated or something), in the boosterism displayed by so-called reporters at the teabagging events. Show me that kind of persistent, consistent, and coordinated parti pris reporting in the other networks and I’ll agree you have a point. Pointing to a stray comment by Ms. Brewer, etc. will not do the job.
Wilbur, speaking of Ms. Brewer:
Gawker: They All Look Alike: MSNBC Mistakes Jesse Jackson for Al Sharpton
My new favorite comedy show in ‘Modern Family’ is on tonight and if I laugh half as hard I’ll consider it a good episode.
Hmm:
Who could have predicted?
http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2009/10/because-being-ignored-is-exactly-same.html
Indeed, thought of you when reading this article:
What the Limbaugh Quote Hoax Really Tells Us
It takes a special kind of person to fall hook, line and sinker for those fictitious quotes. Here’s a good look into just why you did, and why you’re just the type of person who would. Most people here did, too.
I hope it’s helpful.
What the Limbaugh Quote Hoax Really Tells Us
Um, that racist assholes and their fanboys will never ever ever admit when they’re wrong? Yeah, that’s what I’m going with.
Now take that
bonescrotum out of yournosemouth and call me back!Why ever did you fall for the hoax, Indeed?
It was so obvious it was unbelievable. Stuck out like a sore thumb so much that anyone with half a brain could smell something fishy if their mind wasn’t so poisoned that it clouded their cognitive abilities.
The most followed, most recorded man in America, and you never questioned yourself why there was no transcript of something that if any personality, one far less popular and less controversial than Limbaugh, had said something so inflammatory, would’ve made instant news. But someone throws something like that up on the web, and you fall for it and say ‘Thank you sir, can I have another.’
The most followed, most recorded man in America
Oh, that’s so sad…
Wilbur, speaking of Ms. Brewer:
No Dennis, I decline to “look over there”.
I’m guessing you’ve already seen it, Wilbur. It’s funnier than a Scott Paulsen/ Jimmy Krenn skit.
Question is, why isn’t Oliver holding this up as another case of blatant racism that must be exposed for what it really is?
I mean, especially since he linked to an indictment of her having said conservative things.
What gives?
Rush Defense Alert System fully activated.
And you too, mambochicken23, why did you let this hoax get the better of you and expose you to such foolishness?
You’re the academic. The research guy in the hard sciences. Aren’t you trained to always have on a bullshit meter.
How did this one fool you the way it did and make you guys looks so bad? A lot of you seem smarter than that.
I just don’t get it.
Question is, why isn’t Oliver…
No, question is, why have you tried to change the subject three times since, oh, about 11:41 am? I think we all know the answer to that.
Already went over this:
http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/13/nfl-commissioner-roger-goodell-slaps-down-rush-limbaugh/#comment-184384
And you too, mambochicken23, why did you let this hoax get the better of you and expose you to such foolishness?
Um, actually, I don’t think that I wrote anything that said I believed that Rush had said those specific things. I could be wrong, of course.
Just asking, mambo. Indeed plastered those quotes all over this place. Where was the skepticism you’ve been long trained in?
Is Indeed just considered the such the joker here that no one on the liberal side of the ledger thinks enough of to tell him he’s making a fool of not only himself but of them too?
If a conservative was posting such obviously fake quotes all over the place about someone in the news on a controversial subject that I was arguing against, and doing it over and over in a period of four or five days, I’d have let him know about it.
Not one person here told him.
Despite the vulgar things you say about me that I take no offense to, I hold you in high enough regard as an academic that something like what he was doing was a definite red flag that you’d do a little research into it and tell him he’s embarrassing all of you guys.
Or am I incorrect in assuming that about you? That what you said about how your background and your beliefs in the sciences that led you to the side of the political spectrum because it supported your background was all just bullshit, that you’re in truth incapable of objective thought when it comes to politics?
It’s more than about a couple quotes and whether or not a guy on the radio got a share of a lousy football franchise, it’s about questioning what’s so obviously bullshit that you read every time he posted it and just assumed it was real. Where was your bullshit detector, mambo? Because it failed you. It failed everyone here.
You’ll notice, Indeed, that no one, not one commenter, acknowledged your non-apology apology and your admission of lying incompetence.
Either everyone already knew that about you and weren’t surprised; or they were already completely embarrassed for you and wanted nothing to do with your trolling and lying, that they just ignore everything you post.
Just asking, mambo. Indeed plastered those quotes all over this place. Where was the skepticism you’ve been long trained in?
Um, so now it’s my responsibility to admonish Indeed for posting untrue quotes about Limbaugh? And if I don’t, then it means I am not being skeptical. Not only that, it means that I am letting the “hoax get the better of you and expose you to such foolishness”. No, I don’t think so.
If a conservative was posting such obviously fake quotes all over the place about someone in the news on a controversial subject that I was arguing against, and doing it over and over in a period of four or five days, I’d have let him know about it.
Did you so for the obviously fake bullshit quotes, attributed to Al Gore, in the 2000 election?
Despite the vulgar things you say about me that I take no offense to, I hold you in high enough regard as an academic that something like what he was doing was a definite red flag that you’d do a little research into it and tell him he’s embarrassing all of you guys.
I don’t recall saying much in the way of vulgar things about you, first of all. Perhaps a stray comment here or there. I tend to reserve my vulgarity for Frank and Amused Observer. Secondly, I’m not the policeman of this site. I am under no obligation to examine each and every claim made, and frankly wouldn’t want to. That sounds insanely tedious. Thirdly, if I recall correctly, I found and jumped into this thread rather late, after the quotes had already been identified as fake.
Finally, the most important thing… make sure you read this because it’s important, Dennis… I just didn’t care. The whole matter didn’t and doesn’t matter to me. And here’s why. As I see it, Indeed pushing those fake quotes does not matter nearly as much as you want to think it does. There’s plenty of vile, reprehensible things that Rush has said, so it’s not even like Indeed was dragging Limbaugh’s name through the mud – it’s already firmly there. Those quotes, should they have been real, would not have changed my (or likely anyone else’s) opinion of the man. Those quotes, shown to be fake, do not change my opinion of the man. Those quotes had nothing to do with Limbaugh failing to be an owner of the Rams. Those quotes really have very little effect whatsoever on anything tangible in the world. So I just did not give a shit. It would be the same situation for me if it was a Democratic personality and not Limbaugh.
That what you said about how your background and your beliefs in the sciences that led you to the side of the political spectrum because it supported your background was all just bullshit, that you’re in truth incapable of objective thought when it comes to politics?
False.
It’s more than about a couple quotes and whether or not a guy on the radio got a share of a lousy football franchise, it’s about questioning what’s so obviously bullshit that you read every time he posted it and just assumed it was real. Where was your bullshit detector, mambo? Because it failed you. It failed everyone here.
No, I disagree. It really isn’t more than a couple quotes. At least, I don’t see it that way, for reasons I outlined above. And now you’re the one making assumptions – you claim I assumed those quotes were real, when I have not said anything about the truth or validity of those quotes. Like I said, it didn’t matter to me. Both my bullshit and truth detectors were on the shelf, collecting dust, because I had no use for them with respect to this topic.
You know, I don’t do this often, but I think you owe me an apology. Claiming that I fell for a hoax when I said nothing to indicate that is just lying about me. You’re a liar, Dennis.
No, mambo, sorry, no apology forthcoming. You did post about the forged quotes. You said you lost respect for me because you said I was being a jerk for asking Indeed to source them, like it didn’t matter. You DID fall for the hoax of those forged quotes, not to the extent that you quoted them and plastered them all over the place like he did, but you not only read them and didn’t question them, you questioned me for questioning them, and you DID actually post that false quote about slavery.
I’m not going to do this to you again like I did at first playfully with your foggy memory of the Biden racist charge, so I’ll just post the thread and you can go over it all on your own:
Here
I chided you on that thread for repeating a quote that was ridiculous to attribute to Limbaugh and was unsourced. Challenged you. If you didn’t give a shit, like you say here, then why did you repeat it, comment on it, mock it and tell me you had no respect for me for questioning the validity of the quotes.
mambo, you forgetful dummkopf, you even used the Glenn Beck murdered and raped a young girl fabrication on that thread to prove some kind of point. You tried to weasel out later in the thread that you repeated the quote but you didn’t actually attribute it to Limbaugh, so what was the harm. You don’t see any harm in a racist quote being attributed falsely and you don’t see the harm in what you think is a joke of calling Beck a rapist and murderer, nor how either of the two is related.
Sorry, mambo, you did fall for the hoax. You didn’t think critically. You didn’t put up the bullshit meter. You went along with it. You got sucked in. And you did take interest in that quote. That thread proves it. If your truth and bullshit detectors were on the shelf, why did you even comment on the quotes? Do you employ that methodology in your job?
Please show me where I’m wrong. If I am, I’ll apologize, but after reading that thread again, it proves more than it disproves that you fell for the hoax.
Okay, Dennis. I went back over that whole thread, and everything I wrote within it. Here’s my reply. This is going to be long one, and I plan on it being thorough. So here goes…
My first post: I asked you to answer several questions about Rush Limbaugh, “regardless of everything that (had) gone up above.” My questions had nothing to do with the hoax quotes.
My second post: Dennis, there was a time that I had the slightest bit of respect for you. But threads like these, and especially this one, have thankfully freed me from my misconceptions.
Explain to me, again, how you got from that above, to this…
You said you lost respect for me because you said I was being a jerk for asking Indeed to source them, like it didn’t matter.
My third post: I use the structure of the falsely attributed quotes to make a series of jokes, including “bringing back disco” because John Travolta “was a hunky stud in the 1970s”. I then make a parenthetical statement about how much I hate disco. You can say that it wasn’t funny, but in no sense of the term can you claim that this was me “falling for the hoax.” Clearly a joke – to anyone who can comprehend basic English. I think you need to lighten the fuck up a little bit.
My fourth post: I address Amused Observer, explaining that while liberals might have a hair-trigger to cry racism, conservatives seem to be either blind or stupid with respect to the topic.
My fifth post: I address Amused Observer again, asking him to explain the Crusades, because clearly I don’t know what the fuck I’m talking about. I mean, Christians warring against Muslims?… that can’t be right…
My sixth post: I use the “Questions Swirl” comment to repeat the “Glenn Beck raped and murdered a young girl” meme. This had nothing to do with Limbaugh, but was addressing Amused Observer’s comment about race baiting “maybe” being a bigger problem than racism. Still taking this meme seriously, I see – I say again, you need to lighten the fuck up.
My seventh post:Again. This is the sort of thing I am talking about. Where, in that post, do I attribute that quote to Limbaugh? Fuck if I know whether he said it. And I don’t give a shit, really – if he did, it’s just another example of a long history of racist comments, and if he didn’t, then it doesn’t absolve him from the shit he’s said.
My post was poking fun with the use of the structure of the quote (fabricated or no). I even included “disco” and explained the joke to you, and you still didn’t fucking understand. Embarrassing. Seriously.
This is part of the reason I have lost respect for you. That, your whining about the “Glenn Beck raped and killed a little girl” meme, your inability to answer straightforward questions honestly and in a timely fashion, you defending Rush Limbaugh as “not a racist”… it’s really, really tired and obnoxious.
Pretty goddamn straightforward. I explain to you exactly what I did. And now I’m doing it again. I even say I don’t know and don’t care whether Limbaugh said those quotes.
My eighth post: I say that $4.2 million isn’t a lot of money to Rush. And then I say what characteristics I hate about people, and that in my experience those characteristics are more often found on the conservative side of the aisle.
My ninth post: I correct a typo in a prior post.
AND THAT’S FUCKING IT! Nowhere, and I mean NOWHERE, do I say attribute the quote to Limbaugh. I didn’t “fall for the hoax.” Repeating it does not make it true, Dennis.
To summarize, I will quote myself from a post in that thread:
But speaking for myself, I don’t hate anyone simply because they are conservative. I hate it when people are fucking idiots, and cannot think critically about information, and aren’t intellectually honest, and are hypocritical shitbags. And in my experience, there are more of those on your side of the aisle than mine.
That’s you, Dennis. Shitbag.
Thus concludes my systematic destruction of your stupid, stupid assertion that I “fell for the hoax.” Care to apologize yet?
No, mambo, sorry
Apology accepted.
you questioned me for questioning them, and you DID actually post that false quote about slavery.
False.
I chided you on that thread for repeating a quote that was ridiculous to attribute to Limbaugh and was unsourced. Challenged you. If you didn’t give a shit, like you say here, then why did you repeat it, comment on it, mock it
I repeated it once, in order to make a joke using the structure of the quote. That says NOTHING about my attribution of the origin of the quote. Nothing. I fucking made a joke about disco, man. Seriously. Lighten up. And I didn’t give a shit about the origin of the quote; the contents of the quote itself is interesting.
you forgetful dummkopf
I seem to remember this thread quite well.
you even used the Glenn Beck murdered and raped a young girl fabrication on that thread to prove some kind of point
Uh huh. What point was I making? (Hint: It’s in the post above this one.)
You tried to weasel out later in the thread that you repeated the quote but you didn’t actually attribute it to Limbaugh, so what was the harm.
Not weaseling out of anything. It’s the god’s honest truth. If you don’t want to believe that, that’s fine – but it just means that you’re not paying close attention. And that you’re a partisan dick.
You don’t see any harm in a racist quote being attributed falsely and you don’t see the harm in what you think is a joke of calling Beck a rapist and murderer, nor how either of the two is related.
No, I didn’t see any harm in a racist quote being attributed falsely in this case, for reasons I outlined above and within the prior thread. And the Beck meme was unrelated to the Limbaugh theme of the thread.
Sorry, mambo, you did fall for the hoax.
No I didn’t. Prove me wrong.
You didn’t put up the bullshit meter.
Because I didn’t give a shit. And still don’t.
And you did take interest in that quote. That thread proves it. If your truth and bullshit detectors were on the shelf, why did you even comment on the quotes?
Sure, the quote itself is interesting. Whether Rush Limbaugh said it is not. See the difference, or is that too fucking subtle?
Do you employ that methodology in your job?
Fuck you.
If I am, I’ll apologize
I somehow doubt it.
Please show me where I’m wrong
Done, and done.
after reading that thread again, it proves more than it disproves that you fell for the hoax.
False. Wrong again, Dennis.
All that rambling said nothing, mambo.
Argumentum verbosium.
Thanks for your version of your defense, but you still fell for the hoax. If you didn’t care that he had said it or not, some kind of warning should have gone up before you repeated the quote word for word, even if all you were going to do was make a playful comment.
Know who said that, mambo?
That’s right. The same guy who is doing the same thing here right now. Lies to take down Limbaugh and defending it by saying what you did wasn’t wrong ‘because you didn’t give a shit about the quotes’; quotes that were forged. With no apologies about doing it.
Only rambling non-defense defenses.
Thank you, Dennis, for demonstrating with absolute clarity that you should not be taken seriously.
You apparently think you’re a fucking mind reader, or something, because I just incontrovertibly demonstrated that I did not write anything that indicates that I fell for any hoax. But you insist otherwise, in the face of strong evidence against your claim, and with only an ill-thought-out and nonsensical argument about what I “should” have done. I don’t give a fuck what you think I “should” have done. I explained to you what I did, and why I did it, but you continue to plug your ears and scream about how I fell for a hoax.
Perhaps your love of Limbaugh is blinding you to the truth.
The same guy who is doing the same thing here right now.
False. Again. No matter how much you stomp your feet.
Lies to take down Limbaugh
Show me where I lied. And show me where it was used to “take down Limbaugh.” Oh wait, you can’t.
by saying what you did wasn’t wrong ‘because you didn’t give a shit about the quotes’
No, I’m saying what I wrote wasn’t wrong because I didn’t lie at any point. And I didn’t chastise Indeed for spreading falsified quotes because I didn’t give a shit.
Only rambling non-defense defenses.
You know what, Dennis? I took a good amount of time to go through that thread, read what I wrote in every post, and post a concise, systematic response to your accusations. I addressed pretty much everything you took issue with, and explained why you were misunderstanding. For my trouble, I get this – you ignore my points and just claim I’m rambling, and that I what I said is lying to score some kind of points. You are wrong, and you just refuse to admit it.
You’re an intellectually dishonest asshole. Fuck you.
For your trouble? Why go through all that trouble and then say ‘fuck you’ at the end, which you’ve done in the last two posts now?
A appreciate the response, but I just don’t buy it. And I didn’t say you lied, I said the charge you made to me applied to you, that you were defending lies in the pursuit of an ignoble cause. I have said way too many times that those quotes were lies, and the use of them was despicable. And the use of them was for an ignoble cause, which they were, to prevent a guy you hate not so much because he’s a racist, but because he gets under your skin for railing on liberals. For that you are thrilled that he can’t buy a shitty NFL franchise.
I’ll apologize if you’re being honest that you didn’t fall for the hoax. I’m sorry. I think you’re a decent dude and I don’t have any animosities toward you in the least, but you and I are just wired differently. I looked at those two quotes when I first saw them and I was shocked, but then I thought, wait a minute, how come I hadn’t heard those before? Slavery? Thank you, James Earl Ray? Both of those were ten times worse than the McNabb quote that got his ass booted by ESPN. Why hasn’t MMFA or C&L been all over that? Why hasn’t Oliver? Those would’ve gotten booted off the radio, even. That’s not just because I defend everything he says, but because my bullshit meter went off, and I almost immediately started asking Indeed to provide it. And my questioning must’ve encouraged you to quote the slavery quote and I took as your explicit acceptance of it. Again, if not, I apologize. It’s just that I could never quote someone with that racist of a quote without being sure he said it, and if it was in dispute, like I’m pretty sure you knew, even more so then.
Why go through all that trouble and then say ‘fuck you’ at the end, which you’ve done in the last two posts now?
W/R/T to the “Fuck You”’s: The first time, because you implicated that I am not good at my job because of your false perception of what I said. And the second, because I wrote a lot to explain why you were mistaken, and you merely dismissed it out of hand for no good reason and insisted I was lying. That’s why.
I just don’t buy it.
That’s on you, then. If you don’t want to accept the truth, there’s nothing I can say.
I have said way too many times that those quotes were lies, and the use of them was despicable.
OK, and I never – NEVER – defended them. The difference here between us was that I just didn’t care if Limbaugh actually said them, nor if they were falsely attributed to him. I was not defending, I was abstaining. No motivation whatsoever to give a shit.
to prevent a guy you hate not so much because he’s a racist, but because he gets under your skin for railing on liberals. For that you are thrilled that he can’t buy a shitty NFL franchise.
First off, I hate the guy for a lot of reasons. I find him an ignorant gasbag. He actually HAS said (documented) racially-charged things that maybe were a bad idea. He mocked Michael J. Fox’s Parkinson’s Disease. He also is completely on the other side of the political sphere as me, which means that we are more different than alike.
Secondly, if you can demonstrate that these false quotes were a significant factor in Limbaugh’s failure to buy the Rams, then I will join you in your condemnation of the false quotes. Because THAT would be something that I can get behind and agree with you on – someone’s business venture should not fail because of false pretenses. That goes for everyone, including Rush. I just haven’t seen evidence to demonstrate that the NFL killed his bid because of these quotes. Not to say that evidence doesn’t exist – happy to look at it if you can supply it.
Again, if not, I apologize.
Like I explained multiple times – you interpreted things incorrectly here. Although I don’t think that I should have to say it yet again, apology accepted.
Rush Limbaugh: Transcript of radio broadcast from Oct. 14, 2008
By Keith Vance
TRANSCRIPT OF RUSH LIMBAUGH ON HIS RADIO SHOW FROM OCT. 14, 2008
Editor’s note: This is a verbatim transcript of Limbaugh explaining how ACORN, Barack Obama, Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright are all involved in a radical leftwing conspiracy to teach black kids to hate America.
From the time of my birth 57 years ago to today, this country has grown and expanded, prosperity has opened its doors for more and more people around the world, not just people born in this country.
We know the stories of asians immigrating and running rings around people born in this country academically in California. We know all about the immigration, legal and illegal, to get into the country. We know that the standard of living has risen. We know that technological advancement is going along at light speed.
And yet, during this period of time, whether it be the last 57 years, or the last 20 years, it seems that the majority of the black population has remained angry, frustrated and behind – they’ve been left behind. They’re acting like they’ve been left behind, and of course we’ve heard that this is because of racism, natural systemic institutional racism in America. We’re unfair. That this country is just horrible and rotten.
Do you ever ask yourself how it is that people not even born here can come here and in a few short years begin prospering in school, they’re own business, and yet people who are born in this country somehow have been raised to hate it – to still think they’re back in the days of slavery.
I actually think, after studying all this ACORN stuff, and reading what Stanley Kurtz has written about this, I actually believe that what has taken place here, in addition to liberal Democrat legislation – such as the great society and the war on poverty, which a lot of people would now acknowledge really busted up the black family by the government taking the place of a husband and father – he’s free to roam around and bear no responsibility. The mother remained the mother, she got the financial assistance from this legislation from the federal government. The federal government became the father. The father didn’t have to hang around in order for the kids to be OK – depending on how you define OK.
And as you study more and more of this ACORN stuff you find that it has been part of an entire movement that has been going for two maybe three decades right under our noses. We thought that it was just liberal welfare policies and all that that kept blacks from progressing while other minorities grew and prospered but no. It is these wackos from Bill Ayers to Jeremiah Wright to other anti-american afro-centric black liberation theologists, working with ACORN, and Barack Obama is smack dab in the middle of it. They have been training young black kids to hate hate hate this country. And they trained their parents before that to hate hate hate this country. It was a movement. It was a Bill Ayers anti-capitalist anti-american educational movement. ACORN is how it was implemented right under our noses.
They’re doing far more folks than just cheating when it comes to elections and registration. They’re in deep in this mortgage crisis. ACORN and Obama, and Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, the Democrat Party have their fingerprints the sub-prime mortgage crisis. The whole concept of affordable housing was people who can’t afford a mortgage are going to get one, because America is unfair.
It has been a movement. It has been a religion. And Obama and Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers were all up to their big ears in it.
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This is only one example, he real sounds like America’s Uniter, not a Divider, when it comes to race relations. Rush will not sue because he knows they will file a counter compliant and he will be deposed and like Nixon he knows that the tapes will sink him. For so many years he has spent his time on the radio mis-labeling and/ or mis-characterizing others. Poor little “self-centered” Rush, no out except creating the myth that everyone is out to get him. Sorry sucka you can only yourself to blame for your idiot comments. He finally had his judgment day where the NFL wins and tubby loses. Tee, hee…
Fake News will never stop at their lying and the sad thing is that the courts already gave them the OK to continue to do so. It’s just not the “opinion” pieces from the Fake news organization that lie, mislead, and distort stories.
Courts overturned a ruling back in 2003 giving the okay for Fake News to lie, mislead, and distort news…
http://ceasespin.org/ceasespin_blog/ceasespin_blogger_files/fox_news_gets_okay_to_misinform_public.html
The sad thing is that Fake News is now just opening with any regard lying, misleading, distorting, and now creating news.