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	<title>Comments on: Right Wing Militia Watch: Oath Keepers</title>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/18/right-wing-militia-watch-oath-keepers/#comment-186408</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Violating the constitution in an egregious and universally recognized manner...&quot;

This tenet has already been satisfied.
We are waging wars with no decleration of war and have since WWII.
Just for starters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Violating the constitution in an egregious and universally recognized manner&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>This tenet has already been satisfied.<br />
We are waging wars with no decleration of war and have since WWII.<br />
Just for starters.</p>
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		<title>By: Southern Quaker</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/18/right-wing-militia-watch-oath-keepers/#comment-186383</link>
		<dc:creator>Southern Quaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, I should add, armed rebellion can only be justified when all other legal and peaceful means - such as impeachment - have failed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, I should add, armed rebellion can only be justified when all other legal and peaceful means &#8211; such as impeachment &#8211; have failed.</p>
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		<title>By: Southern Quaker</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/18/right-wing-militia-watch-oath-keepers/#comment-186382</link>
		<dc:creator>Southern Quaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There must be a point where a criminal government or mob rule cross the line and rebellion is justified.&lt;/i&gt;

Suspending the constitution.
Declaring marshall law.
Violating the constitution in an egregious and universally recognized manner (in other words, no, collecting income taxes doesn&#039;t count)
Dismissing Congress and taking unitary executive power
Organizing a military coup

None of which is even remotely suggested by &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; of President Obama&#039;s actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There must be a point where a criminal government or mob rule cross the line and rebellion is justified.</i></p>
<p>Suspending the constitution.<br />
Declaring marshall law.<br />
Violating the constitution in an egregious and universally recognized manner (in other words, no, collecting income taxes doesn&#8217;t count)<br />
Dismissing Congress and taking unitary executive power<br />
Organizing a military coup</p>
<p>None of which is even remotely suggested by <i>any</i> of President Obama&#8217;s actions.</p>
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		<title>By: I'm a Hick</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/18/right-wing-militia-watch-oath-keepers/#comment-186379</link>
		<dc:creator>I'm a Hick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas Jefferson came up with a pretty good list of justifications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas Jefferson came up with a pretty good list of justifications.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/18/right-wing-militia-watch-oath-keepers/#comment-186376</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question, and maybe I should have been more clear, was pointed at American liberals/left.

It seems that no matter what the government does that is unconstitutional, the left insists that fighting against it is somehow wrongheaded. (Let&#039;s not get in a Bush did this, Bush did that argument, as I believe both parties are just as guilty.)
My suspicion is that the average lefty feels that rebellion is NEVER justified, no matter what. That is the tone they set.

So I would like to know for the record, what does our, or any other government for that matter, have to do before rebellion is justified?

Election? Are you insinuating that if the people involved are elected there is no recourse no matter what they do? That mob rule is ok?

We all must remember folks like Hitler that were popular and elected. Does that mean their actions are ok because they were elected?

There must be a point where a criminal government or mob rule cross the line and rebellion is justified.
What is that point? Or, in the eyes of the left, is it never justified?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question, and maybe I should have been more clear, was pointed at American liberals/left.</p>
<p>It seems that no matter what the government does that is unconstitutional, the left insists that fighting against it is somehow wrongheaded. (Let&#8217;s not get in a Bush did this, Bush did that argument, as I believe both parties are just as guilty.)<br />
My suspicion is that the average lefty feels that rebellion is NEVER justified, no matter what. That is the tone they set.</p>
<p>So I would like to know for the record, what does our, or any other government for that matter, have to do before rebellion is justified?</p>
<p>Election? Are you insinuating that if the people involved are elected there is no recourse no matter what they do? That mob rule is ok?</p>
<p>We all must remember folks like Hitler that were popular and elected. Does that mean their actions are ok because they were elected?</p>
<p>There must be a point where a criminal government or mob rule cross the line and rebellion is justified.<br />
What is that point? Or, in the eyes of the left, is it never justified?</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Bacon 2</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/18/right-wing-militia-watch-oath-keepers/#comment-186223</link>
		<dc:creator>Canadian Bacon 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And what of nations like Canada, where there is access to firearms, but much lower homicide rates?&quot;

Because we don&#039;t have gun shops on every street corner selling assault rifles to kids and gang members. When they are not so readily available, they aren&#039;t as easy to acquire by those who do want to do harm - regardless of if they obey law or not. It&#039;s called common sense.

“I would like a liberal to answer, once and for all, what exactly does a government have to do before rebellion is justified?”

We wouldn&#039;t know up here, as we live in a free country that respects the privacy and rights of it&#039;s people and generally leaves us alone. Since your apparently at odds with how an overwhelming vote turned out, care to enlighten us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And what of nations like Canada, where there is access to firearms, but much lower homicide rates?&#8221;</p>
<p>Because we don&#8217;t have gun shops on every street corner selling assault rifles to kids and gang members. When they are not so readily available, they aren&#8217;t as easy to acquire by those who do want to do harm &#8211; regardless of if they obey law or not. It&#8217;s called common sense.</p>
<p>“I would like a liberal to answer, once and for all, what exactly does a government have to do before rebellion is justified?”</p>
<p>We wouldn&#8217;t know up here, as we live in a free country that respects the privacy and rights of it&#8217;s people and generally leaves us alone. Since your apparently at odds with how an overwhelming vote turned out, care to enlighten us?</p>
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		<title>By: canadian bacon</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/18/right-wing-militia-watch-oath-keepers/#comment-186198</link>
		<dc:creator>canadian bacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I would like a liberal to answer, once and for all, what exactly does a government have to do before rebellion is justified?&quot;

Do you mean an &quot;election is justified&quot; or  what you said?  Go ahead and answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I would like a liberal to answer, once and for all, what exactly does a government have to do before rebellion is justified?&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you mean an &#8220;election is justified&#8221; or  what you said?  Go ahead and answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/18/right-wing-militia-watch-oath-keepers/#comment-186129</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like a liberal to answer, once and for all, what exactly does a government have to do before rebellion is justified?</description>
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		<title>By: jrfunkenstein</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/18/right-wing-militia-watch-oath-keepers/#comment-186127</link>
		<dc:creator>jrfunkenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Do you dispute the HRC conviction rate prior to the Levant &amp; Steyn cases?&#039;


I&#039;m not disputing anything, since you haven&#039;t bothered to post anything that supports your statement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Do you dispute the HRC conviction rate prior to the Levant &amp; Steyn cases?&#8217;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not disputing anything, since you haven&#8217;t bothered to post anything that supports your statement.</p>
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		<title>By: Amused Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/18/right-wing-militia-watch-oath-keepers/#comment-186117</link>
		<dc:creator>Amused Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JrFunk,
&quot;Which you can prove I suppose&quot;

Do you dispute the HRC conviction rate prior to the Levant &amp; Steyn cases?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JrFunk,<br />
&#8220;Which you can prove I suppose&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you dispute the HRC conviction rate prior to the Levant &amp; Steyn cases?</p>
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		<title>By: jrfunkenstein</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/18/right-wing-militia-watch-oath-keepers/#comment-186094</link>
		<dc:creator>jrfunkenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;The videos of your Human Rights commision were most entertaining in the Levant case. I understand the HRC had a 100% success rate up until that case.&#039;

Which you can prove I suppose?

&#039;What England started around 1250 or so with the Magna Carta we completed. Our freedom was seized 250 years ago, after which we were no longer subjects.&#039;

And with the help of people like you supporting his every move, Bush was able to piss all over your freedom in a matter of a few scant years.

America, fuck yeah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;The videos of your Human Rights commision were most entertaining in the Levant case. I understand the HRC had a 100% success rate up until that case.&#8217;</p>
<p>Which you can prove I suppose?</p>
<p>&#8216;What England started around 1250 or so with the Magna Carta we completed. Our freedom was seized 250 years ago, after which we were no longer subjects.&#8217;</p>
<p>And with the help of people like you supporting his every move, Bush was able to piss all over your freedom in a matter of a few scant years.</p>
<p>America, fuck yeah.</p>
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		<title>By: Amused Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/18/right-wing-militia-watch-oath-keepers/#comment-186057</link>
		<dc:creator>Amused Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m fairly sure not that many jews post with stormfront.

So am I to understand you stand four square behind your HRC?  Not too much of a price to pay, trading freedom of speech for a little PC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m fairly sure not that many jews post with stormfront.</p>
<p>So am I to understand you stand four square behind your HRC?  Not too much of a price to pay, trading freedom of speech for a little PC.</p>
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		<title>By: canadian bacon</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/18/right-wing-militia-watch-oath-keepers/#comment-186056</link>
		<dc:creator>canadian bacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AO - &quot;The videos of your Human Rights commision were most entertaining in the Levant case.&quot;

I see you&#039;ve been reading Stormfront Canada?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AO &#8211; &#8220;The videos of your Human Rights commision were most entertaining in the Levant case.&#8221;</p>
<p>I see you&#8217;ve been reading Stormfront Canada?</p>
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		<title>By: Amused Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/18/right-wing-militia-watch-oath-keepers/#comment-186048</link>
		<dc:creator>Amused Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 05:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s not a whole lot of sleep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not a whole lot of sleep.</p>
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		<title>By: abanterer</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/18/right-wing-militia-watch-oath-keepers/#comment-186046</link>
		<dc:creator>abanterer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 05:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then, it&#039;s just not an answer. I ask what you thought it was, and you tell me what you thought it wasn&#039;t. And it seems you have some sort of theory on this, because you were the one who started talking up about how awesome an armed citizenry is. So, I am naturally curious. I&#039;ll more curious when I get up in 5 hours though. Take yer time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then, it&#8217;s just not an answer. I ask what you thought it was, and you tell me what you thought it wasn&#8217;t. And it seems you have some sort of theory on this, because you were the one who started talking up about how awesome an armed citizenry is. So, I am naturally curious. I&#8217;ll more curious when I get up in 5 hours though. Take yer time.</p>
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		<title>By: Amused Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/18/right-wing-militia-watch-oath-keepers/#comment-186044</link>
		<dc:creator>Amused Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 05:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL abanterer,

abanterer:  &quot;Be interested in discovering AO’s theory on why America has such a high crime rate versus other nations.&quot;

Myself: &quot;I’d wager it’s not law abiding citizens having access to arms.&quot;

abanterer: &quot;I take it to mean that ‘not letting law abiding citizens have access to firearms’ is your answer, because… that’s probably not a sentence otherwise&quot;

I don&#039;t see where the confusion might come from about my answer.  Your perception is 180 out from my intended message. Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Canada&#039;s homicide rate is roughly 50% of ours.  Why do you think that might be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL abanterer,</p>
<p>abanterer:  &#8220;Be interested in discovering AO’s theory on why America has such a high crime rate versus other nations.&#8221;</p>
<p>Myself: &#8220;I’d wager it’s not law abiding citizens having access to arms.&#8221;</p>
<p>abanterer: &#8220;I take it to mean that ‘not letting law abiding citizens have access to firearms’ is your answer, because… that’s probably not a sentence otherwise&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see where the confusion might come from about my answer.  Your perception is 180 out from my intended message. Seems pretty straight forward to me.</p>
<p>Canada&#8217;s homicide rate is roughly 50% of ours.  Why do you think that might be?</p>
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		<title>By: abanterer</title>
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		<dc:creator>abanterer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 05:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what of nations like Canada, where there is access to firearms, but much lower homicide rates?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what of nations like Canada, where there is access to firearms, but much lower homicide rates?</p>
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		<title>By: abanterer</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/18/right-wing-militia-watch-oath-keepers/#comment-186035</link>
		<dc:creator>abanterer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 05:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take it to mean that &#039;not letting law abiding citizens have access to firearms&#039; is your answer, because... that&#039;s probably not a sentence otherwise.

But, all right. If your theory is sound, then why are rates lower in some countries with lower percentage access to firearms?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take it to mean that &#8216;not letting law abiding citizens have access to firearms&#8217; is your answer, because&#8230; that&#8217;s probably not a sentence otherwise.</p>
<p>But, all right. If your theory is sound, then why are rates lower in some countries with lower percentage access to firearms?</p>
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		<title>By: Amused Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/18/right-wing-militia-watch-oath-keepers/#comment-186033</link>
		<dc:creator>Amused Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 05:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>abanterer,
I&#039;d wager it&#039;s not law abiding citizens having access to arms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>abanterer,<br />
I&#8217;d wager it&#8217;s not law abiding citizens having access to arms.</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Bacon 2</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/18/right-wing-militia-watch-oath-keepers/#comment-186025</link>
		<dc:creator>Canadian Bacon 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 04:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it true that you have over 10 federal agencies to surveillance, monitor, police, and spy on you without regard to law, concent, or due process? Did you know the US feds log and backtrace all IP&#039;s from people with your rhetoric?

Boy that sure sounds like freedom to me... now whats all this now about having rights you were saying?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it true that you have over 10 federal agencies to surveillance, monitor, police, and spy on you without regard to law, concent, or due process? Did you know the US feds log and backtrace all IP&#8217;s from people with your rhetoric?</p>
<p>Boy that sure sounds like freedom to me&#8230; now whats all this now about having rights you were saying?</p>
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