’)I have to laugh at the right clutching its pearls over the media repeating unverified quotes from Rush Limbaugh. This is for two reasons:
1. Limbaugh has enough of a slime trail as an unrepentant racist, sexist, homophobe with verified comments that there’s no reason to stretch things.
2. Conservatives have never before been concerned about the media reporting on false quotes. They’ve spent years falsely claiming that Al Gore said he invented the Internet or that he discovered Love Canal.
Like their sudden championing of human rights when it was used to justify the unnecessary invasion of Iraq, the right shows again just how pliable their so-called morality is.
1. If he said enough stuff, then why did the left have to make up stuff? And it’s not “unverified quotes.” They’re made up quotes. IE, whoever started spreading the quotes lied and others happily repeated the lies. Now we can queue the morons who will say, “Well considering other things he has said, it wasn’t all much of a stretch to believe these things.”
2. Conservatives didn’t use Gore’s gaffes as a political hammer to prevent him from engaging in a business venture.
You can’t own a professional NFL team if you say politically incorrect things. Maybe he should try to own an NBA team like Jay-Z. He of the “bitches” and “whores” lyrics he often used in his songs to describe women.
Jay:
1. I’m going to go out on a limb and guess you can’t even prove said ‘fake’ quotes were made by those on the left. But it’s okay, Lush has many, many derrogatory statements against minorities … so many to choose from!
2. LOL – Gee, if memory serves me correctly, the quote falsely contributed to Gore was repeated – ad nauseum – by the right-wing throughout the 2000 campaign. By stating that the internet was a ‘business venture’ on Gores’ part is patently false, which leads me to believe that you haven’t a clue as to what you speak of. He, when Senator of Tennessee, pushed for government funding to research that new-fangled thing called the ‘internet.’ Lobbying for government funds for research does not a business venture make.
3. LMAO – Lush sunk himself in losing out with the NFL. The NFL didn’t want him. Why, you ask? Because these are businessmen, who look out for that one thing they are in business for – profits. They know full well how toxic Lush is, and he would be bad, bad business. Interestingly, most NFL team owners are verified conservatives, who only contribute to GOP candidates, therefore, it being a ‘democrat conspiracy’ is bunk. Besides, Lush being part owner of a professional football team is like allowing the KKK to purchase an NBA team. It does not compute.
Jay–
1. You have no idea who made up what. But Limbaugh’s actual racist remarks are well documented.
2. Al Gore’s business didn’t require approval from anyone. ALL his infamous quotes were fabrications. Even the fabrications were not offensive to ANY group.
Jesus, you’re dumb.
Conservatives didn’t use Gore’s gaffes as a political hammer to prevent him from engaging in a business venture.
Soooooo…repeating the made up quotes was somehow OK? Huh?
LOL,
The end justifies the means eh Ollie?
The new gold standard was set by Dan Rather and CBS. Fake but True. What can one expect from a propaganda outfit founded by a man with some serious personal issues to work through and funded by George Soros.
Good God. That’s exactly what you did for the whole week.
Knowing full well they were made up.
Jay is absolutely correct. Calling those “unverified quotes” at this point in the whole charades game is contemptible.
Calling All Toasters –
1. Yeah, you’re right. I have no idea who made up what. That’s completely irrelevant. The quotes were still made up.
2. I didn’t say anything about Al Gore’s business nimrod. All of Al Gore’s infamous quotes are fabrications? Whatever dude. As for a quote being offensive, who cares? Once again we have a member of the left wing braintrust making a case that not being offended is some kind of right in this country.
Run along twit.
Indeed you truly are a miracle and partial proof that as a species we’re devolving, not evolving. If you’ve ever actually responded around here to what somebody actually wrote instead of writing a response to something you think they wrote, I’d get my camera ready to take shots of the pigs flying past my window.
Run along with the other twit.
AO makes a good point. It’s interesting to see O-Dub take a “Who cares if they made it up?” approach with this issue considering he’s all about weeding out the misinformation.
Indeed you truly are a miracle and partial proof that as a species we’re devolving, not evolving.
You should alert the Republican Leadership. They believe in neither.
No, Mr. Gore’s fake quotes were used in an election for president.
In other words, substantially worse than keeping him out of a business venture.
And has already been stated, if the fake (or unsourced, who the hell knows at this point) ones weren’t there, the solid ones are more than enough. I mean, still wrong, but it’s not as if it altered the end result.
Jay–
Post 1: “why did the left have to make up stuff?”
Post 2: “I have no idea who made up what.”
Post 1: “Conservatives didn’t use Gore’s gaffes as a political hammer to prevent him from engaging in a business venture.”
Post 2: “I didn’t say anything about Al Gore’s business”
Here’s a tip– if your going to so blatantly contradict yourself, don’t do it in the same thread.
Just a little heads-up to the mentally impaired, at no charge.
your –> you’re
Jay is absolutely correct. Calling those “unverified quotes” at this point in the whole charades game is contemptible.
Leaaaavvvvveeeeee Rushie alllloooooonnnnneeee!!!! He’s such a nice guy. All that stuff Media Matters painstakingly cataloged is totally out of context!!!!!!
Where did I say it was okay to make up quotes? You fellas seem to be projecting. What I am noting is people who have eagerly pushed fake quotes suddenly getting the vapors.
“to prevent him from engaging in a business venture. ”
You’ve got your facts wrong. The other NFL owners had the right not to do business with him, and that’s what they did. If anything, it’s whiners like you who don’t think that the other owners have rights, because of your insatiable hatred towards the free market.
If the word hadn’t been overused, I’d almost say that your views make you a complete and total Communist.
Not sure anyone can say that definitively, Parthy. The made up quotes by far were the most salacious and those were the one most used, curiously enough. They were put out front and center by nearly everyone. Once they were told about those being highly dubious, their arguments seemed to center around the McNabb and ‘Crips and Bloods’ quotes. No one here has once made a convincing argument that those discussions of his made him an out and out racist and I haven’t heard anyone else, not a journalist on any cable outlet nor any sportswriter make a good one either.
I read this shtick in a right blog earlier in the week. They were disgusted that George Soros employs people to transcribe everything Rush says. They pointed out that Rush has some black people in the studio with him.
I always think that if you do 3 hours a day and only say one racist thing, as a percentage it’s not a lot. This was honestly an argument.
Not sure anyone can say that definitively, Parthy.
I’m going to go ahead and assert that the dozens and dozens of verified quotes and audio (“Right on! Right on!”) were plenty racist enough. My Racist Uncle and Deadender Dittoheads disagree, so perhaps that’s not definitive, but what can you do?
Al Sharpton shakedowns are your way of cheering the free market system, Burn?
Interesting.
You the worst offender in that regard and exactly the one here I was describing to Parthy. You’ll list the quotes, but you never argue how any single one makes him a racist. No one has. Jaim said Limbaugh said the only reason McNabb was a QB in the NFL was because he he was black, but when it was pointed to Jaim that he didn’t say anything like that, Jaim’s comeback was what yours has been, Indeed, to list various quotes. Without made up and inaccurate quotes, the charge of racism is weak.
Al Sharpton shakedowns are your way of cheering the free market system, Burn?
Al Sharpton is infinitely more powerful than your beloved, impotent, and racist Rushie. Bwahahahahahahaha! Kneel before
ZodAl!Oh well, death by 998 cuts…. It’s like watching a clumsy sleight-of-hand artist who is aware of- but not proficient in- the art of misdirection.
General rule of thumb for Rush: if you find yourself having to declare “Now, I’m not racist…” in public, it’s usually because you preceded it, or plan to follow it, with a statement that’s blatantly racist.
I’m sure there’s nothing black people love more than a fantastically wealthy, pampered, rotund, drug-addicted, right wing, gas-bag dictating what they should, and should not find offensive. Likewise, I’m sure the implication that they’re incapable of objective thought, and simply being manipulated by race-hustlers and the racist left is music to their ears. This is just a guess, though– I’m not black, nor am I Rush, so I can’t be certain.
Beyond the drug scandals and myriad “It’s not racist because I say it’s not” racial pleasantries, this is also a man who, in the past few years, has made headlines for publicly mocking the symptoms of a Parkinson’s sufferer (and he managed some wonderful pearl-clutching during that episode, pretending that the real indignance was that someone sped the tape up to make him look like a bad guy [even though this magically didn't knock the audio out of synch, of course...]), hoping for the failure of America, and gleefully celebrating the United States’ Olympic defeat
Being an opinionated ass on the air has made him wildly successful; it’s also made him toxic baggage in a business where 70% of the talent is black. We’re allowed to say whatever we want in this country, but that doesn’t absolve us from the repercussions of our statements. Deal with it.
Three hours a day, five days a week, for 21 years. That’s a lot of dialogue, bryan.
As to Media Matters, ask yourself not only why they didn’t use the more egregious quotes that we know were false, but also why they didn’t put the word out on their blog that the sourcing to those quotes was, to put it mildly, highly dubious. They shouldn’t be held accountable, but you have to wonder why, since they knew those quotes were attributed to Limbaugh and they were highly, highly damaging, and they had a hit list compiled on him.
You’ll list the quotes, but you never argue how any single one makes him a racist…the charge of racism is weak.
You know, that’s exactly what My Racist Uncle said.
I’m constantly told that I’m missing some context. And despite repeatedly requesting the missing context, it never arrives. At your convenience, I gladly accept this elusive “context.”
http://mediamatters.org/research/200910130049
That link speaks for itself and identifies plenty of racism. If you, like My Racist Uncle, disagree, well, I can’t do much about that. If there’s context missing, please let me know ASAP.
What, next I should have to explain why your hero Robert Stacy “Race Mixing is Icky” McCain is racist too?
(And please let me know if and when Newsday or the L.A. Times issues a retraction for the above racist comment. If and when they do, I will accept it in full.)
The party of personal responsibility spends an awful lot of time blaming the media
AwkwardSilence with the smackdown. What with all the having to repeatedly point out Limbaugh’s blatant and self-evident racism, I had somehow forgotten about the time Ol’ Rushie mocked Michael J. Fox’s Parkinson’s Disease. Wow! What an asshole. I wonder if the Deadend Dittoheads will continue to defend that. (Or for some reason, do I need to explain why making fun of Fox was the height of douchebaggery?)
Indeed, that’s just it, you list links of someone else making a case. Media Matters didn’t make a case to the NFLPA or the the NFL owners or to Roger Goodell. Media Matters makes lists, and Media Matters called them ALL racially-charged comments. They didn’t make the case explicitly that he is a racist. There’s a big difference, especially for a guy who talks about race often and has been on the air for over 20 years for 3 hours every week day.
For the hundreds of posts you’ve made here this week and all the links and all you’ve read, why can’t you make the case that you’ve been trying to all week with other people’s words, notwithstanding the fact you knowingly quoted Limbaugh falsely for a full three days.
Indeed, that’s just it, you list links of someone else making a case.
So? I’ll let them speak for me, as you let Rush Limbaugh and Robert Stacy McCain speak for you.
Media Matters makes lists, and Media Matters called them ALL racially-charged comments.
Which ones aren’t? They’re all over the place on this blog. You ever going to deliver that missing “context” I keep hearing about?
I’ll stick with my own eyes and ears rather then Deadend Dittoheads and My Racist Uncle. If you can explain why Media Matters, Larry Wilmore, or Adam Serwer are so wrong, knock yourself out.
Where’s your smackdown, Indeed? You’ve called him a racist asshole a thousand times. Why can’t you in your own words list what exactly makes him a racist?
Do you think Rush Limbaugh wants to see black people succeed or fail? Black people, not Barack Obama in particular as president fail at his quest to remake America, but black people in general.
COT, I didn’t contradict myself. Yes, the LEFT made up the quotes. We have no idea SPECIFICALLY who made them up. As for the whole “business” angle, my comment was contextually related to Limbaugh, not any business venture of Al Gore’s. Improve your reading comprehension skills.
Twit.
The other NFL owners had the right not to do business with him, and that’s what they did.
I’m sorry, I must have missed when the league owners voted down the group. Oh wait, that’s right. They didn’t have a vote. The only reports we have is that there was no opposition from other owners when Checketts started the process and told everybody else who was involved. It’s only when the situation became political that “honorable” owners like the Irsays (they who moved their team out of Baltimore under the cover of darkness) started getting weak at the knees despite the fact that the overwhelmingly majority of NFL owners are Republicans (that’s where their donations go).
Frankly, I could care less about Rush not owning the Rams so spare me your drivel about “whining.” What bothers me is the glaring hypocrisy of the NFL and supporters who talk about “standards” while allowing a multitude of miscreants and criminals to play often after multiple incidents and a bunch of people so determined to nail down Rush as this dirty racist that they don’t care if they have to make shit up to ‘prove’ it.
Every mention of every racial aspect to America by a conservative is ‘racially charged’ to a liberal. So what?
You’re the one prancing around here unchecked and unbridled calling Rush a racist asshole every single day. The burden of proof should be on you to make the case that he’s a racist, yet every time you’re asked, you balk and then defer to someone else.
Remember that it was the media as much or more than the conservatives who pushed the made up quotes. Maureen Dowd and Frank Rich and other “liberal” journalists pushed the internet, Love Story and Love Canal stories – all the Cons and Repubs and Bush had to do was stir the pot.
Every mention of every racial aspect to America by a conservative is ‘racially charged’ to a liberal. So what?
That you, Uncle?
Hey dittoheads, just shut the fuck up already. Limpballs LOST this round and he still cannot understand why. Is he really that stupid? Are all of you?
He’s not as popular as you think he is. More people don’t like him in this country that those of you who kiss his cyst filled ass daily.
And the market spoke, which is what you wingnuts crow about all the damn time. The market said, he’s bad for business therefore they have an obligation not to include him when considering him as an investor to buy a team.
End of story.
But keep whining and bitching about it. It makes you look so mature. Hey why don’t you boycott the NFL? That’s the ticket, right?
Show them how much you love your impotent gasbag of a hero and just don’t watch any games for the rest of the season, because they are SO mean, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
Burn, it’s you who doesn’t get it. Most people share Jay’s sympathies, as do I, that we don’t give a shit that he’s not a minority owner of a shitty NFL team that hasn’t won a game in a year. We do care about the shitty, scummy, lying dirtbag maneuvering of the liberal media, the liberal left, the Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and DeMaurice Smith shake-down race-hustler artists, and the folks in the Obama inner circle who made it all happen.
What bothers me is the glaring hypocrisy of the NFL and supporters who talk about “standards” while allowing a multitude of miscreants and criminals to play often after multiple incidents
Yes, unfortunately, people who can hit, throw, or catch a ball well are generally held to lower standards of conduct.
But, like Rush’s bid, this is up to the discretion of teams and owners (disregarding league bans and suspensions for the moment, of course)- When Michael Vick was reinstated, a handful of teams refused to offer him a try out, regardless of their need for his services. And it’s hardly unusual for a player to be cut, suspended, or sanctioned for their off-field conduct- Pacman Jones, Tank Johnson, and Koren Robinson leap immediately to mind, but if you gave me an hour to jog my memory and do bit of googling, I’m quite certain I could provide an extensive list of players whose baggage earned them a one-way ticket off their team.
And while double standards aren’t fair, they certainly work both ways- someone without Rush’s fame, connections and bottomless bank account would have probably faced harsher penalties (and certainly had less success keeping their medical records classified), even as a first-time drug offender.
It’s intellectually dishonest of Rush to pick and choose when double standards should apply, and when they should be voided.
and the folks in the Obama inner circle who made it all happen.
So in the same comment block where you’re vilifying people for using alleged yet unsubstantiated quotes, you’re ranting about an alleged and unsubstantiated conspiracy theory.
Um, well done?
Why can’t you in your own words list what exactly makes him a racist?
I tend to the argument that Rush Limbaugh is a “race hustler,” to borrow your favored terminology, Dennis, for the same reasons you apply that term to guys like Sharpton. It doesn’t really matter to me what Limbaugh feels about blacks or any other race in his heart of hearts. He’s in the business of stirring up and playing on white resentment against other races and he’s made quite a lot of money doing it.
Pick anyone of the quotes on the Media Matters page OW links to. My favorite is “Obama’s entire economic program is reparations.”
If that ain’t “race hustling,” Dennis, then the phrase is meaningless.
Here’s some quotes that liberals should go by and study:
When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe.
Thomas Jefferson
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson
It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes.
A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.
Thomas Jefferson
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson
My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.
Thomas Jefferson
No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
Thomas Jefferson
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Oh the irony.
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/j/jefferson-quotes.htm
Yes! Yes! Circle the wagons around Rush. He’s so popular.
My god, you people spend months screaming that Rush isn’t the leader of your party but the moment he stubs his toe you all start jumping up and down and screaming.
Rush is their leader, so is Beck and Hannity. The birthers/teabaggers/dittoheads don’t identify with actual politicians anymore. They prefer media figures to speak for them.
What does that say about an entire political movement? That they are so far over the rainbow they only believe idiots on TV? They are too stupid to understand that Fox plays them for being the gullible chumps that they are. Beck doesn’t care about you people at all, he knows you are dumb enough to believe him and you buy his books and drive up his ratings to make HIM rich.
And I never get tired of watching some elected congressmen talk shit about Rush, only to backtrack 3 days later, groveling on his hands and knees, OH PLEASE RUSH, I AM SO SORRY FOR WHAT I SAID ABOUT YOU HERE LET ME KISS YOUR CYST RIDDEN ASS SOME MORE SMOOCH SMACK OH YES RUSH!
Think about that…elected members of Congress are afraid of Rush Limpballs.
This is why they will not have a majority again for sometime. Until some conservative comes forward to denounce the Fox News/talk radio noise machine, they will continue to lose support and not win any new voters.
Dennis, if a person spends a lifetime not making racist comments, that’s one thing. If a person spends a lifetime occasionally making the odd racist remark, they can be thought of by rea
Sorry about that. Anyway, by reasonable people to be a racist.
I’m reminded of that old joke about the miserable guy in the bar who, asked by a stranger why, recounts his long careers in the town as a grave digger, teacher, postal worker, none of which gained him a nick-name
“But you screw ONE sheep….” is how it ends.
Burn, that is the most disturbing mental image I have ever had.
” It’s only when the situation became political that “honorable” owners like the Irsays (they who moved their team out of Baltimore under the cover of darkness) started getting weak at the knees despite the fact that the overwhelmingly majority of NFL owners are Republicans (that’s where their donations go).”
Ah, so this is a new twist. Anyone who’s a Republican HAS to do business with Rush.
Like I said, your hatred of the free market is showing.
fafaroo-
Are you referring to this article today at The Daily Beast by Conor Friedersdorf? If so, I will concede that I agree with most of what he said. This past year he has done a lot of race-baiting, but he also made the concession that he didn’t think Limbaugh was a racist, which were the reasons used in targeting him and the pressure aplied to prevent him from buying into the NFL franchise. Where I disagree with him is that Limbaugh is on par with Sharpton and Jackson in the race-baiting category. Those guys are the race-hustlers. A good case can be made that Limbaugh is a race-baiter, especially this past year, but not a race-hustler like those two.
fafaroo,
I copied and pasted wrong link. This is the right one:
Rush the Race-Baiter
Why do you guys keep repeating that like it could never happen in a million years when the Democratic party is shitting all over themselves with the health care bill and the consequences of passing a controversial resulting in that very outcome.
You’re all bluster, Burn. And your rants are outdated, too.
….and the consequences of passing a controversial bill resulting in that very outcome.
I’ve always wanted to join a church where self-righteous self-important know-it-all “brethren” abused the unanointed. But then, I’m into S&M. Timmy!
and the folks in the Obama inner circle who made it all happen.
Limbaugh Targetted by Obama Official
DeMaurice Smith Elected New Union Leader
Documented: Obama Involvement in Smear Campaign Against Rush
Don’t think this is conspiracy theory territory, Awkward Silence, but maybe I shouldn’t have said ‘Obama inner circle’, but ‘formerly in Obama’s inner circle’. Maybe it is a bit of conjecture to think he’s out of the circle so soon, but I’ll take your point.
Back, and to the left. Lets use Occam’s Razor here.
Your theory is that Barack Obama pulled a magic lever and had the NFLPA knife Limbaugh because from the perch of NFL ownership, Limbaugh would destroy the Obama presidency.
OR.
A league of mostly black guys didn’t think it was a good idea for one of the owners they have to deal with to be a blatantly racist guy, a guy infamous for denigrating an NFL star based solely on his race and who immediately thought of gang members when describing the mostly black NFL. They didn’t want a guy who calls women “feminazis” or who said that since the President is black, black thugs would feel free to beat up white people.
One of these scenarios is more realistic. And it isn’t the first one.
Here’s some quotes that conservatives should stop going by:
I’ll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office.
George W. Bush
If this were a dictatorship, it’d be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I’m the dictator.
George W. Bush
I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we’re really talking about peace.
George W. Bush
You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror.
George W. Bush
Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.
George W. Bush
You work three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn’t it? I mean, that is fantastic that you’re doing that.
George W. Bush
Do you have blacks, too?
George W. Bush
I don’t think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees.
George W. Bush
I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn’t do my job.
George W. Bush
Where I disagree with him is that Limbaugh is on par with Sharpton and Jackson in the race-baiting category. Those guys are the race-hustlers.
That was the article I was referring to, Dennis.
So Limbaugh is a race-baiter but not a race-hustler? And there’s some significant difference between the two?
Perhaps you can elucidate, for us, the nature of this difference and how one is worse than the other?
I just hope it isn’t something along the lines of your Palin defense: She didn’t lie as much Grayson and her lie worked so, see, she’s not a liar.
Who knew wingnuts and dittoheads were such goddamn incessant whiners?
Seriously, Dennis, just let it go. It’s over. It’s done.
You lost. Accept it, but you don’t have to like it.
Here’s one from Thomas Jefferson that the Obama Nation should read.
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson
Redistribution!
LOL,
Since professional sports teams are for the most part (all?) using public facilities maybe it’s time to make sure that everything is on the up and up. Are we having any tax money subsidized activities that are unavailable to a citizen to participate in because of his political beliefs? Or because he chooses to exercise his first amendment rights. Maybe it’s past time to cut off the sugar tit for professional sports teams. Pay for your own damn stadium.
Or to take another tack, perhaps people have noticed the terrible lack of diversity in many professional sports. It has been deemed a sign of discrimination if minorities are not represented in percentages mirroring their representation in the population as a whole for all sorts of things. Why not employment in the sports industry? Merit alone is not a good enough reason when diversity is at stake. LOL If it is good enough for college admission or a place on the police force it is good enough for pro sports.
Sounds ridiculous doesn’t it? But it differs from what most of the folks here cheer about only in degree not kind. The hypocrisy of the left. Limbaugh was targeted for his political beliefs and exercising his first amendment rights. He was smeared with false accusations about false quotes that never happened. I hope he takes a bit of the money he was going to invest in football and starts suing everyone involved.
Burn, that is the most disturbing mental image I have ever had.
Yes and the left is often talking about it. Makes me think guys like Burn are just expressing their latent homosexual crushes on Rush via insults about his ass.
Merit alone is not a good enough reason when diversity is at stake.
So, Dennis, is Amused merely a “race baiter” or is he a full fledged “race hustler”?
Here’s one from Thomas Jefferson that the Obama Nation should read.
Wow. From idiot to self parody in a single post. A new record.
I was all HOPING Rush would get himself a team. It would have been high theater to watch a team implode so quickly, and it would keep him occupied, filling his show with anecdotes from the game, rather than the high bloviating misanthropy he’s got going now. Hell, maybe he’d retire and just watch football all the time.
I can dream.
LOL Fafaroo,
Here’s the line you didn’t quote;
“The hypocrisy of the left.”
So Limbaugh is a race-baiter but not a race-hustler? And there’s some significant difference between the two?
Perhaps you can elucidate, for us, the nature of this difference and how one is worse than the other?
The difference is that race-hustling involves shakedowns, fafaroo. Do you want elucidation on how Sharpton and Jackson operate to achieve their goals versus Limbaugh? Let me know, but it’ll have to be later.
Here’s the line you didn’t quote;
Amused, do try to keep up, will you?
The difference is that race-hustling involves shakedowns, fafaroo.
So they play on racial fears and resentment for personal gain? Is that it?
And Limbaugh plays on racial fears and resentment as a public service?
This is BS, Oliver. I didn’t propose a conspiracy theory that Obama knifed Limbaugh, but Maurice Smith had no NFL experience and worked for Eric Holder. There is nothing wrong at this point to point that out, certainly enough to legitimately ask questions.
Like Indeed, you’ve never made an even moderately convincing case that Limbaugh is a racist, much less a blatantly racist guy, and the McNabb comments don’t make him a racist; they make him anti-media, which he undeniably is for a lot of the people in the industry.
Even though you slander him, he’d still like to see you succeed. Most racists would probably rather see you lose your job and struggle. Limbaugh wouldn’t, even though you hate him.
fafaroo-
I won’t give you the same kind of business you’d give me if I had done it, but you parroted the points in Friedersdorf’s article that he made without crediting him or linking to it, as if the ideas were your own. You’re better than that.
Makes me think guys like Burn are just expressing their latent homosexual crushes on Rush via insults about his ass.
Funny, I thought this was all about Limbaugh’s latent fantasy of owning and trading black people.
…the McNabb comments don’t make him a racist; they make him anti-media, which he undeniably is for a lot of the people in the industry.
No, Dennis, but they do make him a race baiting asshole. Like I said. Limbaugh is in the business of stoking the racial fears and resentments of white people. He’s done it his whole career and it’s a large part of his appeal to the vast majority of his audience because it’s a frequent and regular part of his spiel.
The McNabb comment was typical of his race baiting: McNabb is a black quarterback being given preferential treatment by a liberal media suffering from white guilt with the implication being that truly deserving white quarter backs were being ignored by the same media.
That’s a pretty direct appeal to the kind of racial resentment and fear that Amused wallows in every chance he gets.
It’s what pays Limbaugh’s bills.
Like Indeed, you’ve never made an even moderately convincing case that Limbaugh is a racist, much less a blatantly racist guy
Other than the second link in his post, of course.
I won’t give you the same kind of business you’d give me if I had done it, but you parroted the points in Friedersdorf’s article that he made without crediting him or linking to it, as if the ideas were your own.
No I didn’t, Dennis. Nice attempt at a distraction though.
I won’t give you the same kind of business you’d give me if I had done it …
And Dennis, I wouldn’t have given you any kind of business over it because i don’t think you’ve expressed a single original thought in any of the many posts you’ve posted here.
Limbaugh wouldn’t, even though you hate him.
And yet he wants Obama to fail.
Here’s one from Thomas Jefferson that the Obama Nation should read.
Jefferson was a key historical figure, but this cult-like worship on your part suggests that you believe he could do no wrong, and that we must adhere to every thought he ever had if we are to be True Patriots ™.
I noticed you didn’t expound on Jefferson’s thoughts on the owning of human slaves and fathering children by them.
Why not?
Bullshit, fafaroo. I never read an article and regurgitate on a blog as if it’s my own idea without attribution like you just did.
On second thought, maybe I will give you the business, because it’s kinda sleazy. Someone here would’ve thought you were a really intuitive guy.
Bullshit, fafaroo. I never read an article and regurgitate on a blog as if it’s my own idea without attribution like you just did.
Dennis, you’ve never posted an original thought here. All you do is regurgitate what you read elsewhere.
It’s one of the main reasons why you’re constantly looking for easy distractions from the topic at hand to discuss.
The second you’re asked to actually think about what your regurgitating, you got nothing. You draw a blank and so go for the distraction. As you’re doing now.
I clarified that once on this thread, so I didn’t think I needed to do it again, fafaroo.
But since you think you need that exception addressed, do you think that makes him a blatant racist, as Oliver is convinced he is?
Makes me think guys like Burn are just expressing their latent homosexual crushes on Rush via insults about his ass
You losers always bring up the gay thing when you’ve realized you;ve lost the argument on substance. This time is no different. Yea, sure I am gay and I want some slobbering fat ugly impotent old man for sex. Man, you aren’t even trying anymore.
And once more before I sign off.
LIMBAUGH LOSES WINGNUTS CRY LIKE BITCHES!
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
How long are you little babies going to cry? Until you get your diapers changed, or until naptime?
Not true. I read a lot of stuff and form opinions. If I read and article on a certain day about a current topic and it’s pertinent to the blog thread, I’ll post it and and my two cents, but I’d never do what you did, sleazoid.
But since you think you need that exception addressed, do you think that makes him a blatant racist, as Oliver is convinced he is?
No, Dennis. But it does mean your suggestion that Limbaugh wants Oliver to succeed is dubious at best.
Oliver is a political blogger with a very definite point of view that is diametrically opposed to Limbaugh’s political view.
To the extent that Oliver measures his own success by the defeat of Limbaugh’s favored policies and the success of his own, I highly doubt Rush wants Oliver to succeed.
Arent’ you the guy that keeps telling us to take Limbaugh’s schlong out of our mouths, Burn? Hypocrite? Or were you admitting you lost the argument?
As to his being fat, have you seen a recent picture of him?
I’d never do what you did, sleazoid.
It’s all distraction all the time with you when you get backed into a corner Dennis.
And thanks for the name calling, Dennis. What a guy.
I’m talking about seeing him lose his job and struggle, fafaroo. No offense to him, but Oliver isn’t going to effect policy. Limbaugh may not be all that jazzed about what Oliver does, but he wouldn’t begrudge him the opportunity to excel at it and do the very best economically that he can. Racists don’t usually have those sentiments about black people, do they? You guys are the experts on racists, so let me know if racists would like to see Oliver get rich at what he does.
I’ll get back to the thread, but if you bring it up and I respond to it, don’t call me the distractor.
Sorry about calling you a sleazoid. Is intellectual property thief less offensive?
Limbaugh may not be all that jazzed about what Oliver does, but he wouldn’t begrudge him the opportunity to excel at it and do the very best economically that he can.
Dennis, when Limbaugh tells his audience that Obama’s policies amount to “reparations,” he’s telling them that black people are trying to take their money.
He is telling his white listeners that this black president is working against their economic well being for the benefit of black people who, we can only assume, don’t want to work but would rather get handouts in the form of reparations.
That’s detrimental to black people, Dennis. Its detrimental to their economic success in addition to the myriad other ways in which they can be impacted by such a negative, stereotypical image being spread on the national airwaves.
Does it make Limbaugh a racist? Quite frankly I don’t care. Because it’s plain enough that he could give a fuck about who he harms in order to make a buck.
You losers always bring up the gay thing when you’ve realized you;ve lost the argument on substance.
I know. I can’t deal with the substance of your fantasies about cysts on Rush’s ass.
You win.
Limbaugh may not be all that jazzed about what Oliver does, but he wouldn’t begrudge him the opportunity to excel at it and do the very best economically that he can.
So Limbaugh also wants Al Sharpton to succeed at what he does?
“Maurice Smith had no NFL experience and worked for Eric Holder. There is nothing wrong at this point to point that out, certainly enough to legitimately ask questions.”
Can you give an example of a legitimate question? it’s just not clear what you’re trying to say or imply.
I’m talking about seeing him lose his job and struggle, fafaroo.
What a limited view of success you have Dennis. Just keeping ones job is success?
I thought you meant that Limbaugh would applaud Oliver’s rise as a major blogger and internet media mogul whose massive audience was attracted to his influence on policy and opinion.
But you just meant Limbaugh hopes he doesn’t have to go on unemployment. How awesome.
fafaroo,
Was searching for what you accused me of distracting from. What do you want me to address, this?
Limbaugh to my knowledge didn’t imply that truly deserving quarterbacks were being ignored by the same media. He said Philly’s defense deserved more credit for the team’s success. That was the implication of the media’s focus, that the rest of the team deserved more credit but McNabb was getting most of the attention. I think he was wrong in that assessment because I think McNabb was a very good quarterback, but it didn’t make him a racist for saying that. I also don’t think it was wrong for the media to focus on him even if his race had been at least a partial motive in the focus, as a lot of people would’ve liked to see a black quarterback succeed, just like I thought it was a big deal when a black coach won the Super Bowl. It’s noteworthy in that it proved how wrong it was blacks had been held back from getting head coaching jobs, so it’s not wrong for the media to pay extra attention to it. But Limbaugh wasn’t being racist in the McNabb assessment, not intentionally. He screwed up in how he said it though. He can say he sucks. He can say the rest of the team deserves more credit than he does. But he can’t say the rest of the team gets short shrift from the media for the credit because their mediocre quarterback is black and they are covering up for his mediocrity. A stupid sports assessment for a rookie sports announcer, but not a racist for saying that.
This past year he has done a lot of race-baiting, but he also made the concession that he didn’t think Limbaugh was a racist, which were the reasons used in targeting him and the pressure aplied to prevent him from buying into the NFL franchise.
Says Dennis, and yet, he adores Ol’ Rushie:
http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/07/31/rush-limbaughs-premature-galt/#comment-167636
How much race baiting must a person do before it’s OK to label him or her a racist or an asshole or a racist asshole? Keep in mind, this is merely the racist (or as some would have it “race baiting”) shit. This doesn’t go into the Michael J. Fox mocking, the feminazi bullshit, or the making fun of others’ appearances, or myriad other assorted Limbaugh awfulness. And yet, Dennis not only defends Ol’ Rushie, he adores him. Just like My Racist Uncle. It’s spooky.
Sorry that Occam’s Razor Situation didn’t work out for you, wingnutz. But keep the Conspiracy Theories coming. They’re good for a laugh, right after they’re thoroughly dismantled.
I never said that. I don’t think Limbaugh would like Oliver to be prevented from being successful now matter what Oliver’s idea of success is because of the color of his skin. And a racist would. I’ll let you read his own word, and this from Oliver’s employer’s website, in which they make the case later that he says racially-charged things. But Oliver’s employer does not call him a racist.
http://mediamatters.org/research/200910130049
He said Philly’s defense deserved more credit for the team’s success. That was the implication of the media’s focus, that the rest of the team deserved more credit but McNabb was getting most of the attention.
Dennis, here’s the full quote:
He’s clearly saying the he believes favoritism is being given to black quaterbacks and black coaches for reasons other than their talent and that those reasons have to do with advancing a social agenda.
Then he tried to defend himself:
Thenin 2007 he picked up the same theme from the other side:
That’s race baiting defined, Dennis, no matter how Limbaugh wants to spin it after the fact.
It’s the kind of thing he says on his show all the time whether he’s talking about college admissions or home loans. It’s one of the ways he builds and maintains his audience.
He is in the race baiting business, just like Sharpton. And that’s the point you don’t seem eager to discuss.
Limbaugh and Sharpton are both in the business of making money by stoking and playing on racial fears and resentment.
I feel guilty because that was lifted directly from the transcripts of the intro to his show, and it’s designed to drive liberal loons who tune in even more crazy than they already are.
I feel guilty because it what it was designed to do worked on you, and I’m not quite as diabolical as you.
Are you still working on a moderately convincing case for why Limbaugh is blatantly racist, Indeed? Will that be forthcoming tonight or will I have to wait until tomorrow?
I feel guilty because it what it was designed to do worked on you, and I’m not quite as diabolical as Limbaugh.
I don’t think Limbaugh would like Oliver to be prevented from being successful now matter what Oliver’s idea of success is because of the color of his skin.
No, Dennis. He doesn’t want Oliver to be successful because of his personal politics. Just like he doesn’t want Obama to succeed.
I feel guilty …
Maybe you should feel guilty for being incoherent?
Arent’ you the guy that keeps telling us to take Limbaugh’s schlong out of our mouths, Burn?
Actually, no, I’ve never said that once here. Scour the archives all you want.
But thanks for reminding me what I already knew, that his dick is firmly planted inside all of your mouths. And you beg for seconds and thirds.
So at what point do you loser wingnuts just shut the fuck up about this already and drop it? You’re only going to get more upset about this topic, since it’s closed and done with.
Why do wingnuts always seem to think everything is some grudge match to the death? Why can’t they just leave it alone and walk away?
It’s like they are trying to convince themselves that something is still to be gained if they keep harping about it. But you got nothing left. It’s over. You won’t change anyones mind at this point.
The only thing gained here is more frustration that their hero and his politics and views have been smacked in face.
If I had known I was going to strike such a raw nerve with catching you at repeating someone else’s hard work and bummed you out so much, I’m not sure I would’ve done it fafaroo.
Are you going to be ok?
Conservatives didn’t use Gore’s gaffes as a political hammer to prevent him from engaging in a business venture.
It’s not the Liberals(TM) fault that he couldn’t get the deal. The NFL didn’t want him. He’s made too many enemies there.
We do care about the shitty, scummy, lying dirtbag maneuvering of the liberal media, the liberal left, the Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and DeMaurice Smith shake-down race-hustler artists, and the folks in the Obama inner circle who made it all happen.
So you also believe it’s the Liberals(TM)’s fault that Rush didn’t get his bottle? Talk about the “Party of Personal Responsibility”. Then again, these are the same people who think that Orson Bean is entitled to the money of gay people.
When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe.
Am I the only one disturbed by the fact that wingnuts abhor the idea of being like Europe, but embrace the idea of being like Honduras.
You said that that kind of reference means you’ve lost the argument.
Rush tends to come out the victor in these kinds of things, Burn. The last chapter in this saga has not been written. Who knows, maybe he ends up cutting another $4.2mm check to a charity that benefits the same minorities you guys are convinced he hates, but that for which none of you guys seems to be able to make the case for.
You know, it’s so unfair… Conservatives believe the market actors should decide things on their own merit and should not be interfered with by outsiders. If even the hated George Soros were to try to buy a sports franchise, conservatives wouldn’t object because, eeevil as he is, it would be the free market in action! And believing as they do in small government, conservatives would NEVER stoop to using government power to influence such a decision!!
Oh, wait.
Shoter Davis: “Nice baseball league ya got here… would be a shaaame if sumthin was to happen to it…”
Are you going to be ok?
So predictable. Confronted again with the point you seem eager to discuss you go right back to the distraction.
False. Late and clueless yet again.
Liberals (TM) forced the issue. It was Dave Checketts that backed out on having Limbaugh is his bidding group, who was worried about the controversy after it was made public that Limbaugh was in the bidding group, and who originally had told Limbaugh that everything was ok with Limbaugh being in the deal. Liberals (TM) had everything to do with it. You haven’t been reading this thread, surprise of surprises.
What. Are. You. Talking. About?
Zython,
Being like Honduras meaning ridding their country of a man trying to gut their Constitution and set himself up as leader for life. Yep, we’re all about that.
Burn,
You need to be a little bit more discrete with your dick in the mouth comments. After all, that’s how Oliver’s boss rolls.
You called me incoherent, that was your point. I didn’t distract from anything. You seem to think all you points are worth addressing and you demand they be addressed. Your points are distraction, fafaroo. Limbaugh is not a racist; you and I seem to be in agreement on that. My point was to Oliver, that I would’ve preferred to get his answer on than dilly dally with you over, that Limbaugh would like to see him be successful. Limbaugh may not want neither he nor Obama succeed in their desired political goals, but that has nothing to do with the color of their skin. And racists would like to see them both fail exactly because of the color of their skin.
I don’t see how you can argue that point, but try as you might and then bitch that your argument hasn’t been addressed to your liking.
Limbaugh = Sharpton.
They both exploit racial fears and resentments for personal gain.
It’s as simple as that.
You disagree but you are unwilling or unable to explain why they’re so different.
Being like Honduras meaning ridding their country of a man trying to gut their Constitution and set himself up as leader for life. Yep, we’re all about that.
So you DO want America to become a 3rd world country. Got it.
What. Are. You. Talking. About?
I’m saying that Limbaugh only has himself to blame.
Good point. I wonder if Brock really thinks he was getting away from people who don’t approve of his lifestyle when he left the Republican Party.
I told you. Do you know what a shakedown is, fafaroo?
Rush tends to come out the victor in these kinds of things
What will he gain?
More controversy, more notoriety, more listeners? He is going to try and cast himself as the victim here?
He doesn’t get it. Neither do his fans.
Too bad. It will give them something to rant about as long as the season goes on. That’s fine, they don’t have to watch. I hope he goes there, calling for a boyoctt. That’d be endless entertainment.
Ask the average American, are you going to boycott the NFL because poor Rush couldn’t buy a team? You think his fans are that loyal?
Rush Limbaugh Tiger Beat Patrol Troll defends Rush Limbaugh, no matter what he says or does.
Zython,
Maybe you might want to expand on your Honduras thing. They are attempting to keep their nation on a path away from the Banana Republic paradigm. I can’t remember, are you the guy with the Milton Friedman is evil theory or is that another whackjob?
Darn, Indeed, I saw your name in the Recent Comments and I thought you might finally have a good case for how you’ve proved Rush was a blatant racist.
Not gonna be tonight?
Or cat got your tongue?
Only Rambaugh’s allowed to make things up and call them truths. That dog needs a muzzle.
I wish Mr. Jesse “Hymietown” Jackson could let us know how civility can be brought back to the NFL. You all really don’t care what is said, you only care about the initial behind the title. D is good, R is bad.
“I eat McDonalds cheeseburgers off of Dean Cain’s (he was Superman) hairy ass. I also visually undress Barack Obama, and I would love to stuff his balls in my mouth.”
– Oliver Willis
I can’t verify this quote, but I think it is probably true.
Is that true or fake but true?
Well, he loves hime some Superman, and I can only assume from the pics that he ain’t allergic to cheeseburgers. So, quote verified.
I meant “him” please don’t quote me
Can’t wait to see how little the wingnuts boycotting the NFL effect the TV ratings. It’s not as though they’re going to get off the couch and do something productive on a Sunday.
Kinda like the Beck boycott. His rating have really tanked, right?
Who’s calling for boycotting the NFL? Can I watch him say it on TV? That would be like calling upon the King in Yellow and daring him to arm-wrestle. The Green Bay area alone has enough psychic rage that he’s be converted into pure anti-matter before they cut to the safety shot of horrified anchors screaming as this guys face exploded into pure white light and gamma radiation.
abanterer- QUIT DRINKING!!! That made no F—ING sense!
I don’t think there’s an organized boycott? Just what I heard the local wingnuts saying on AM radio. Of course since my local team is the Tampa Bay Bucs I suppose not watching them may be an easy choice.
Do you know what a shakedown is, fafaroo?
Yes, I do, Dennis. I still fail to see any difference between Limbaugh and Sharpton.
They both traffic in racial resentment and fear mongering for their own personal gain.
Now if you want to argue that only Sharpton is exploiting racial resentment and fear for personal gain have at it.
You’ll just have to explain then why Limbaugh does it for free.
OK. Here’s the hand puppet version for 2ndmumblemumble
Gosh! A guy who says ‘Don’t look at the game!’? The fans will hurt him, as they love the game so.
See? All in words of four letters and less. Sorry, I dragged in some literature and physics for grins, but I figured you were man enough to take it. Sorry for over-estimating you, chief.
Wek – I see a boycotts succeeding about as well as Rush Limbaugh actually becoming a tailback for the Giants. Which would be equally as funny, I suppose.
Terrified of clicking a single link. Absolutely hilarious.
Well, it’s no ‘Lemon Party’…
Congrats Abanter-
Wow, I have never seen anyone prove they are an absolute moron like yourself…
2nd Damnedmint – If moron I be, then who is worse off betwixt us? Myself, a simple fool? Or he who is an incourteous lout? Verily, I see from your own words no great wit, no sage advice. If I offend, it is because a certain ignoble rake did bound in first. I have little else to say on this, save that in my own defense, I am as made of rubber, and I would say that you are glue, so whatever base insults directed to my person are thus thrust upon yourself. Good day, sir!
[exit]
Thou art still a fucking moron…
Thou art still a DOUCHEBAG as well…
The amount of butt-hurt being expressed by the wing-nuts is priceless. But lest we forget:
1) If the NFL thought Rush would be an asset to the league, they would happily have let him buy in. But gee, why is it the mostly Republican ownership of the NFL doesn’t want him? Oh, that’s right — because the majority of Americans hate the racist drug-addict. He’s also the de facto leader of a very unpopular political party known as the GOP. As I’ve already suggested, the NFL probably wouldn’t be too keen on Michael Moore buying into the Detroit Lions, but that would solely be because of his politics instead of his virulent racism.
2) The McNabb comment alone, made on a national broadcast, is enough to show that he’s a bigot and further, that black players in the NFL would have every right to steer clear of any team he was involved with. Throw in documented cases of his obvious racism such as playing “Barack the Magic Negro” and “Barack Halfbama,” and there’s no arguing he’s a bigot, as are his fans.
So basically, the free-market worked as it should here. Rush is a cancer, and he’s bad for any business except his own. Case closed.
But please wingnuts, continue to shed your bitter little tears. They taste like candy.
” I still fail to see any difference between Limbaugh and Sharpton.”
One of them is a convicted liar and antisemetic hate monger with the blood of innocents on his hands the other is a successful conservative radio entertainer.
You could show Dennis a picture of Limbaugh in full Klan regalia and he’d excuse it by saying Limbaugh was just pointing out the hypocrisy of the Klan. If Limbaugh’s long, long, long list of quotes calling blacks thugs, using jive talk whenever a black pol is in the news, or his insistence that women who are assertive are nazis doesn’t convince you of the man’s bigotry — you’re beyond help.
And Limbaugh doesn’t want me to succeed. He doesn’t want America to succeed. He made very clear that he wished for our president to fail, and if the president fails in his attempt to lead that hurts America.
“His rating have really tanked, right?”
No, but his ad revenue has. LOL.
“you’re beyond help”
This is a guy who gives his family running updates of how he “pwns” people on this site going from six in the morning until well after midnight as he defends the obvious racism of Rush “the NFL is Crips vs. Bloods” Limbaugh. I’d say your diagnosis is on the polite side.
“You all really don’t care what is said, you only care about the initial behind the title. D is good, R is bad.”
But Rush isn’t an R, he tells us every day, over and over again, then repeated by Hannity, Beck and Levine and a buch of lesser personalities. They are not Rs. Really.
::snort:: Got quite a skill typing in all caps one handed there, chief. Too bad it doesn’t apply to your rhetorical eloquence.
Rush seriously needs to come to grip with the fact that outside of his bubble, no one really cares for him. Now he’s using his platform to attack the NFL? Fine – I’m sure that will get him into ownership position real fast. Rush has been lusting after some sort of football niche for a while, and it probably goads him that he can’t get his way, because he only pisses people off anymore. Even allies have to back away when he says something really incendiary, which happens with greater frequency as time passes.
Rush, just paint yourself in your team colors and watch the game, fer crying out loud! Get over it!
One of them is a convicted liar and antisemetic hate monger with the blood of innocents on his hands the other is a successful conservative radio entertainer … who both trade in stoking racial resentment for personal gain.
You know, Amused, it’s the little things that bring people together.
abanterer writes “Rush seriously needs to come to grip with the fact that outside of his bubble, no one really cares for him.”
This is it in a nutshell. Wingnut radio is a bubble unto itself, and they jut can’t grok the fact that even political moderates and independents don’t like their racism. So what makes this so funny is to see the genuine shock displayed by the residents of planet wingnut when they actually venture out of their little hate-filled bubbles into the warm sunlight of reality, a place where Rush Limbaugh is obviously a racist drug-addict, and (mostly Republican) NFL owners don’t think racist drug-addicts would be good for their multi-million dollar businesses.
“it’s the little things that bring people together.”
Indeed it is fafaroo, indeed it is.
Unconsciously, wingnuts know that Limbaugh is the most popular and powerful thing they got. Then he gets his ass slapped down by pro football. Wingnuts gotta vent lest their heads pop yet again. Timmy!
That is not true and it’s an irresponsible statement. If you honestly believe Limbaugh is the kind of guy who would dress up in Klan regalia then you should be able to express in your own words what defines a racist and what any one comment he’s made defines his as a racist. I’ve asked you and I’ve asked Indeed, who you allowed to post the quotes you knew were unsourced for the last week, and neither of you seems to be able to do it, save for this ‘long long list of quotes’. If you’re so confident to extend the rhetoric further than you’re employer, then it shouldn’t be that hard, Oliver.
Have you ever called any blacks thugs? Are no blacks thugs? Did he call ALL blacks thugs? Is anyone who calls a black a thug a racist and is offense, if it is an offense, among your list of what defines a raccist
Bigotry isn’t what you’re calling him, Oliver. Everyone who posts here is bigoted in some way. You are bigoted in many ways, including conservative blacks who you describe as actors in a minstrel show. You’re calling Limbaugh a blatant racist, on the order of a Klansmen, and I’m merely stating that he may be bigoted, he may be racially divisive and guilty of making racially-charged statements that blacks find offensive, and guilty of race-baiting, but the long long list of which you and Indeed keep pointing to does not make him a racist. I wish you would clarify why any one statement does make him one so we can all learn something.
Yes, he does want you to succeed. If you’re going to quote him incessantly for what you don’t like about him and just the parts you think are offensive without surrounding context or his clarifying remarks, then you should also print the things he says that you would like. You don’t do that. Your employer does. They do it to mock him, but they still do it. If he didn’t want you to succeed, he wouldn’t say this:
“I love this country. I want everyone in this country to succeed. I want everyone in this country to pursue happiness. I want everyone to benefit as an American, as I have. I stand in no one’s way. I am not the one putting obstacles in people’s way. I’m the one trying to sweep them away, and in so doing, I don’t speak politically correct language, and as such, I’m accused of being insensitive. I guess my problem is I treat people as adults. I treat them as informed, I treat them as educated, and I treat them as equals. I don’t condescend to people, and I don’t run around feeling sorry for people, because that doesn’t help them. After you feel sorry for somebody, then what do you do?…”
“I’m interested in people’s hearts and their souls, because that’s what animates us as human beings. Not our skin color. I’m colorblind. I have reached the point where everybody professes we need to go. I treat everybody equally. Nobody is — in the political arena — I don’t care. Male, female, black, white, gay, straight, bisexual. If you are opposed to the things I think are great for the country, I’m going to say so. I’m going to criticize you. Not because of whatever it is distinguishes you from me on a surface basis, but because of ideas.”
I haven’t read many transcripts from Klan rallies, but I’m guessing you won’t find statements like that at the typical one.
Please tell me how a man who donates sizable amounts of money to minorities can be a racist who not only doesn’t want minorities to succeed, he wants them to fail, Oliver.
“I think the guy’s wrong. I think not only it was racism, it was justifiable racism. I mean, that’s the lesson we’re being taught here today. Kid shouldn’t have been on the bus anyway. We need segregated buses — it was invading space and stuff. This is Obama’s America.”
You put your kids on a school bus you expect safety but in Obama’s America the white kids now get beat up with the black kids cheering ‘yeah, right on, right on, right on.’ Of course everybody said the white kid deserved it he was born a racist, he’s white.
Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it.
The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies.
“They’re 12 percent of the population. Who the hell cares?”
“Take that bone out of your nose and call me back.”
NOW = National Association of Gals – NAGS
Report: NFL to review tape for evidence of on-field gang signs…RACIST!!!
What did the NFL do with do-rags and other gangster acts by players, isms? Venture to take a guess?
Make the case this was racist to say this, and include why the NFL was different in their investigations and their bans. Remember the throat-slashing move players used to do? Please make a case, because apparently a lot of people also felt somewhat the same way in order for the NFL to take action.
I’m merely stating that he may be bigoted, he may be racially divisive and guilty of making racially-charged statements that blacks find offensive, and guilty of race-baiting, but the long long list of which you and Indeed keep pointing to does not make him a racist.
Limbaugh is bigoted, racially divisive and guilty of race baiting and making racially offensive statements but he’s not a racist.
Okay, Dennis. Wonderful. Now since you seem to know Limbaugh’s true heart explain why he engages in this kind of behavior on a regular basis.
Why would someone who is not a racist behave in such a manner?
Male, female, black, white, gay, straight, bisexual. If you are opposed to the things I think are great for the country, I’m going to say so. I’m going to criticize you. Not because of whatever it is distinguishes you from me on a surface basis, but because of ideas.”
Dennis, this is not engaging the debate in the realm of ideas:
This is telling white people, that Obama is taking their money and giving it to black people.
Limbaugh tells people he wants them to succeed. And when they don’t, he reassures them that it’s not their fault, it’s because black people are taking their money.
That’s his message. It’s racially divisive and he doesn’t care.
This is not made up folks:
http://sroblog.com/2009/10/16/safe-schools-czar-kevin-jennings-nambla-video/#comment-5258
LOL,
Real but fake! The caliber of many of the people Obama chooses to advise him speak volumes about his ability as an executive.
abanterer,
“If moron I be, then who is worse off betwixt us? Myself, a simple fool? Or he who is an incourteous lout?”
Do you use the same yardstick as a metric for some of your fellow liberal regulars who post here with great frequency?
Oliver,
“If Limbaugh’s long, long, long list of quotes calling blacks thugs, using jive talk whenever a black pol is in the news, or his insistence that women who are assertive are nazis doesn’t convince you of the man’s bigotry”
And this differs from your own behavior towards conservatives how?
That is not true and it’s an irresponsible statement.
Oh, Teh Irony! (Unintentional though it be!)
LIMBAUGH: As the economy performs worse than expected, the deficit for the 2010 budget year beginning in October will worsen by $87 billion to $1.3 trillion. The deterioration reflects lower tax revenues and higher costs for bank failures, unemployment benefits and food stamps. But in the Oval Office of the White House none of this is a problem. This is the objective. The objective is unemployment. The objective is more food stamp benefits. The objective is more unemployment benefits. The objective is an expanding welfare state. And the objective is to take the nation’s wealth and return to it to the nation’s quote, “rightful owners.” Think reparations. Think forced reparations here if you want to understand what actually is going on.
On minorities
“The days of them not having any power are over, and they are angry”
Shorter
“And the objective is to take the nation’s wealth and return to it to the nation’s quote, “rightful owners.” Think reparations. Think forced reparations here if you want to understand what actually is going on.”
The Democrats “want to get us out of Iraq, but they can’t wait to get us into Darfur. There are two reasons. What color is the skin of the people in Darfur? It’s black. And who do the Democrats really need to keep …
“There are more American Indians alive today than there were when Columbus arrived or at any other time in history. Does this sound like a record of genocide?”
“Have you ever noticed how all newspaper composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?”
“The difference between Los Angeles and yogurt is that yogurt comes with less fruit.”
“Isn’t it an established fact that Barney Frank himself spends most of his time living around Uranus?”
Context should make it sound all better, right?
If you honestly believe Limbaugh is the kind of guy who would dress up in Klan regalia then you should be able to express in your own words what defines a racist and what any one comment he’s made defines his as a racist.
I and other have pointed to Limbaugh’s statements several times in this thread and others. Your response every time is to go nyah nyah nyah I can’t hear you. You refuse to see your God as the racist he is. Normal non-racist people don’t go around saying the things Limbaugh does.
isms,
Are you capable of giving us an informed reason why any quotes you spray out makes him a racist?
When Eric Holder said we are a nation of cowards when it comes to issues of race, he must’ve been talking about the kind of folks here who are afraid to state any kind of a coherent and convincing case, save for the list Media Matters supplies them with that they hide behind.
Cowards Indeed.
save for the list Media Matters supplies them with that they hide behind
Which list? Is is a compendium of Phony Quotes? Are they so-totally Not Racist? Is there Missing Context? I keep hearing about the Missing Context, but never arrives. Maybe you should put your hero super-sleuth Ol’ Gumshoe Bob on the case. He knows racism. He’s the guy who actually wrote:
Question for Dennis. Is that statement racist? Or does Robert Stacy McCain saying it isn’t mean it’s not (hey, just like Ol’ Rushie and My Racist Uncle insist they aren’t racist!).
Link:
http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2009/09/16/last-night-i-saw-lester-maddox-on-a-tv-show/
he must’ve been talking about the kind of folks here who are afraid to state any kind of a coherent and convincing case, save for the list Media Matters supplies them with that they hide behind.
Yes, we’ve provided no case that Limbaugh makes bigoted comments except for that pesky list of bigoted comments he’s made.
Are you capable of giving us an informed reason why any quotes you spray out makes him a racist?
Sure. We can all read. Since you can too, you’re the one lacking an excuse here.
It’s funny how you’re the one, as Oliver just noted, furiously refusing to accept that all these quotes are bigoted, and yet also refuse to in any way offer an explanation of how they aren’t.
Oliver,
Non-bigoted people don’t go around calling certain types of blacks ‘actors in a minstrel show’ . They don’t describe Jews as ‘filthy’. They don’t put quotation marks around a quote of a white person calling the President a coon when the person did not call the president a coon, nor any such thing. They don’t accuse a white person of condoning and defending another white person for being a member of the Ku Klux Klan without any evidence that they just make up because they think it sounds cool on his blog. They don’t call a white Senator a farking idiot and a racist and then later say nothing about it when that Senator becomes the Vice President of the United States.
Non-bigoted people don’t write those things, but it doesn’t make them racists.
I will not call you a racist and if asked, could not make a case that you were one, even though a compilation of things you’ve written could be used against you if someone with malicious intent were so inclined. But that list alone would not make you a racist, and neither does any list of quotes of Limbaugh.
All I’ve asked you to do is make a case that he’s a racist. Maybe you know of certain deeds he’s done that were racist, as opposed to the deeds I’ve mentioned that he did that benefitted minorities.
It shouldn’t make you angry to accept that challenge since you’re so convinced of the allegation. I would think you’d relish it.
Bigoted? Has Rush been upgraded here to merely a bigot, and not a racist?
Why didn’t anyone tell me?
So I guess that means you’re not going to, then.
We’re quite surprised, naturally.
Always with the links, but are you still working on why he’s a racist, in your own words? I keep checking in here intermittently to see if you have posted your final essay, but you always disappoint.
Eric Holder…. a nation of cowards with regards to racial issues.
Indeed, ‘Indeed’
mucho cobarde.
Not going to what, Pollack? What are you talking about?
Yep, just as I thought.
“Are you capable of giving us an informed reason why any quotes you spray out makes him a racist.”
Whose “us.”
He’s more than”just” a racist.
Who’s
I see.
But you just can’t quite find the words as to why he is a racist, is that what you’re saying, isms?
That no explanation need be given in order to call someone a racist?
That’s how little value you place on the accusation, like calling someone on a blog a jerk?
Why not just give it a shot, and maybe be the hero here today?
The blogowner can’t seem to. A comic strip writer can’t seem to. A sock-puppet poster who has called him that a thousand times can’t seem to, either.
No one has.
Maybe you can, though, hmm?
It’s almost bizarre to watch, isn’t it?
I’ve been making the case all week, Pollack. And on this thread, multiple times. I don’t know what kind of discipline is needed to write a comic strip, but I hate to repeat myself. Go back and read this and the other ‘Rush Limbaugh is a racist but I can’t explain why except for this Media Matters long long list’threads here.
You guys have made the accusations of his being a racist, Pollack, not me. It’s a serious allegation that should involve careful thought and specific reasons, or one would think. At least it used to before liberals cheapened it to merely being a conservative.
Regardless, the burden of proof is yours. Please, enlighten me.
Haha, I like how you suddenly remembered “what I’m talking about” when you thought of something more clever to say. Are you still pretending multiple people haven’t linked repeatedly to proof of Limbaugh’s bigotry though? It’s really getting fascinating watching you do it over and over.
Like everyone else, Pollack, you’re balking.
I’m quite surprised, naturally.
Balking on what? You’re babbling. Seriously, man, just explain how those quotes aren’t bigoted.
No, that was the only sentence of yours that resembled a request, and I already remarked that I’m not arguing what he said was bigoted. So, no, I’m not going to argue that point. I’ve argued that he’s not a racist.
I an apparently I’ve argued it effectively, as no one here even attempts a rebuttal, save for links and long long lists that they offer no context, nor explanation.
Balking on proving he’s a racist. I never said he wasn’t bigoted. If you’d go back and read earlier in the thread, I said we’re all bigoted in some way, and so is he. I’ve argued that he’s not a racist. You can’t argue that he is one, or why those quotes prove it.
I already remarked that I’m not arguing what he said was bigoted.
Well, duh. We all know why you don’t want to argue that point. It’s just really fun watching you squirm around it and act like a child when cornered.
You can’t argue that he is one, or why those quotes prove it.
Seriously, this is your argument? That a repeated history of bigoted quotes doesn’t prove someone’s a bigot? I repeat: child.
LOL,
Actually isn’t the point of this thread actually not whether or not Rush is a racist but rather isn’t the right fascinated with the accusations that have been based upon false quotations, outright lies actually, that were used to Bork Limbaugh’s bid for participation in a private industry?
We have a laundry list of quotations, some of which have been parroted here at the site of a professional propagandist employed by an outfit founded by a discredited political hack and aligned with wealthy liberal patrons and entrenched Democrat political players. A laundry list of comprised of lies deliberately spread with malice.
I see that a member of the choir of liars,a known antisemitic racist POS with blood on his hands and a published track record of racist antisemetic comments is threatening to sue Rush for libel to further this agenda. This unrepentant black civil leader whose shameful bullshit is a proven matter of legal record is blustering in front of the press to further his efforts of discrediting Limbaugh.
I present to you Al Sharpton, black civil rights leader, corrupt agitator, antisemite, proven liar and would be Democrat powerhouse and kingmaker, another liberal icon. Who will wager against me that Al Sharpton will prove himself all hat and no cattle as they say down in Texas?
Cornered?
You’re an idiot, Pollack. I stated long before you even got to this thread, late and clueless about the discussion, that we are all bigoted and his statement were bigoted. So yes, I was scratching my head as to what your request was.
In the blog post, Oliver stated that the forged quotes weren’t necessary to make him a racist, but they were. Without them, the argument revolved around a list, none of which anyone can explain how they make him a racist.
You want to argue that he’s a bigot, go ahead. I never said he wasn’t bigoted against certain idiots, just like you are.
A laundry list of comprised of lies deliberately spread with malice.
Wait, you’re saying the quotes on Media Matters are lies? See, that’s an actual argument. I of course don’t believe you but if you have some proof or rational debunking here we’ve actually got something instead of childish “nyah nyah I don’t wanna read your list of quotes waaaaah” nonsense.
“That no explanation need be given in order to call someone a racist?”
What he said and will say this coming week. He’s sunk. He lost. He’s a racist, sexist etc loser whose number is up.
BTW I hear there’s a hockey team for sale out west!!
So, not only are you a child “Lalala I can’t hear you” but you make more shit up?
Non-bigoted people don’t go around calling certain types of blacks ‘actors in a minstrel show’ .
Black cons act like minstrels. Michael Steele called his blog “what up” for christs sake.
They don’t describe Jews as ‘filthy’.
I describe all kinds of people as filthy. I could care less about their god.
They don’t put quotation marks around a quote of a white person calling the President a coon when the person did not call the president a coon, nor any such thing.
Yes, just a happy coincidence from Tammy Bruce.
I swear Dennis, you probably think that all those crosses on people’s lawns were just poorly formed barbecues, you’re so willing to excuse the most blatant racism.
some of which have been parroted here at the site of a professional propagandist employed by an outfit founded by a discredited political hack and aligned with wealthy liberal patrons and entrenched Democrat political players
I pushed the quotes in question? When? Show your work, fucking liar.
Oliver,
Nothing I wrote is made up. Not one word. Nor is it distorted or mischaracterized.
You keep showing this list from Media Matters that you say is convincing enough to say he is a racist, but Media Matters does not come to that conclusion with their own list. They say the quotes are racially charged. You make the leap by calling him a racist, and I merely ask you to explain why you make that leap. The only people doing the ‘lalala, I can’t hear you’ seems to be you and everyone else here who’s called him a racist without an explanation.
Again, Oliver, if the racism is blatant, you should be able to tell me why. I haven’t excused anything he’s said; I’ve just asked why you take it a step further than your employer and call him a blatant racist.
Make this a teachable moment for everyone.
and I merely ask you to explain why you make that leap
People who make racially charged comments time and time again, directed at one or more groups of people are fucking racist. I keep saying that and you do the fake OMG I can’t understand schtick. Non racist people do not go on about how blacks are gang members and that the black president is out to get white people and imitate jive talk again and again. There are things as an institution and editorially that Media Matters can and can’t say. I’m not bound by such things here. Rush Limbaugh is a fucking racist, sexist, homophobe because of the things he has said – documented – over the last 20+ years against blacks, hispanics, women, and gays.
This is perfectly clear, and yet, you keep playing dumb.
Unbelievable thread. The McNabb comments by themselves prove his racism (not to mention being unfit for NFL ownership). And the McNabb thing is just the tip of the shitpile when it comes to a racist asshole like Limbaugh.
And his defenders? Equally sad and pathetic.
some of which have been parroted here at the site of a professional propagandist employed by an outfit founded by a discredited political hack and aligned with wealthy liberal patrons and entrenched Democrat political players
I shouldn’t speak for AO, but if you read that a little more carefully, he didn’t say you pushed the quotes in question, but that they were parroted here. They were.
The forged quotes were pushed here by a few people, most notably Indeed, and he did it all week and multiple times, despite being told about them being made up and that Limbaugh had denied having ever said them, and multiple times been asked to produce any kind of sourcing besides someone else whoever else was parroting them. No one here ever told him to cool it.
No, Jaim, they don’t prove his racism. The only time you’ve attempted to make that case you lied about it and said Limbaugh said the only reason McNabb was a quarterback in the NFL was because he was black. He said nothing of the sort. You knew that, yet you made that up. That’s the whole point of this thread. If you have a case, state it. The only way you can is with forgeries and fabrications, and you are guilty of it, and it’s on this blog as a testament to your dishonesty.
You make the leap by calling him a racist, and I merely ask you to explain why you make that leap.
Limbaugh is a racist fuck and let me tell you why.
There is no reason to inject race into a discussion of Obama’s economic policies unless you want to stir up racial animosity and resentment. Only a racist wouldn’t care about the long term damage such a strategy could cause in order to achieve a political end.
Limbaugh could have gone on and on about “redistribution of wealth” and it would only have made him an idiot. The second he declared that Obama’s economic policies amounted to “reparations” he crossed the line, deliberately injecting racially divisive and derogatory language into the discussion.
You don’t need any other quotes or any other behavior to know that deep down inside, Limbaugh is a racist fucks besides that. But there is, without question, a long history of Limbaugh using the same tactics through out his career. It’s a pattern of behavior in which Limbaugh encourages his overwhelmingly white audience to believe that lazy black people are using the government and white liberal guilt to hold them back.
I didn’t really care to get into this with you, Dennis, preferring you to explain what might motivate someone that you yourself admits is bigoted, racially divisive and racially insensitive other than racism.
You’ve failed to take the opportunity.
In the meantime, I drove an hour down south to have lunch with the 80 year old mother of a friend who died some years back. She had found some of his stuff in the garage and wondered if I might want it. I hadn’t seen her in a while and I wanted to catch up so off I went.
It was an entirely pleasant lunch after many years except when she, prompted only by a comment that a lot had changed since her son and my friend had passed away, segued into a rant about how awful it was that Rush Limbaugh had been kept from owning an NFL team by those “race hustlers” Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. She continued into a general attack on African Americans with occasional nods in the direction of Mexicans, who “at least want to work.”
My friend’s mother would never consider herself a racist. But she is. I don’t hold it against her and let her comments pass with a shrug, as I’ve learned to do when my own parents, lifelong Limbaugh listeners, drop the same line. My friend’s mom grew up in a different generation and she’s obviously been spending a lot of time at home alone worried about her pension and listening to Rush Limbaugh who spends a lot of his time encouraging the latent fearful, misguided, irrational, racist feelings of people desperate for a scapegoat.
Limbaugh knows this is what he is doing. There is no other reason to refer to Obama’s economic policies as “reparations.” None. Zero.
Knowing that he’s doing this makes him a racist.
He’s a racist fuck and you’re defending him. Way to go, Dennis.
No, Jaim, they don’t prove his racism.
Because they don’t! They just don’t, OK? Why don’t you believe me? They so-obviously don’t! Anyway, all those dozens of quotes are totally out of context! Obviously! Duh. Stupid Liberal Media Race Hustler [Right Wing Talking Point] and whatnot! And I’m not going to give you any context! If you want context, I’ll email it to you! OK? But not in public! Rush Limbaugh is in no way a bigot or an asshole let alone a racist. Because he’s just not. He’s the best, and liberals are the real racists. Because!
Ah, Talking Points.
My friend’s mother would never consider herself a racist. But she is.
So’s My Racist Uncle. You should hear him defend Limbaugh and swear that Ol’ Rushie isn’t a racist, and that it’s the Liberals who are the true racists. Well, essentially you already have heard that rap. It’s sad.
fafaroo,
I’m sorry about your friend. I’m sorry about your friend’s mom being a racist. I’m sorry if your parents are racists, but I am not one. You might’ve made a good lawyer. I’m not sure I’d want you defending me and I know I wouldn’t worry too much if you were prosecuting me, but as I’ve said over and over here, you mistake defending him for wanting to know why people call him a racist. I’ve heard and read far more explanations this week of why those quotes don’t make him a racist than any good explanations (none here, till yours now) of why they do make him one. Interestingly to me, several of them were from African-Americans.
This blog and many liberal blogs spread disinformation about racial issues. Distorted, false, fabricated, forged disinformation. You were on the blog thread where I told Oliver how wrong it was to quote Tammy Bruce for calling Obama a coon. He took the quotes off promptly, but left the headline. Why? Why is that necessary, unless he thinks its a war that he has to win at all costs? And why didn’t you object? Like with most liberal blogs, it’s a political strategy to paint conservatives as racists, and they do it every day. What is that feeding into, fafaroo, if not the exact same kind of divisiveness that you say Limbaugh is guilty of and of which you claim makes him a racist?
I can’t tell you what motivates Limbaugh, but I don’t believe he is trying to do harm to African Americans. I believe he is being sincere in the paragraphs above I reprinted of the transcripts from his radio show this week that Media Matters commented on, in which he states that he wants to see everyone succeed.
I don’t understand why my opinion of him matters so much to you, either, but I appreciate your post here.
Have a good evening.
but I don’t believe he is trying to do harm to African Americans
Then you either have a hard time with basic logic or you are hard of hearing.
And fafaroo,
Why didn’t you ever tell Indeed to cease and desist with posting the forgeries? Why did you look the other way, but fault me for focusing on it, which I did because they were the most offensive things quoted about him?
Why do you focus on me and why does my opinion matter to you so much, but not the bullshit that someone like him gets away with propagating here? That makes no sense to me, unless it’s not really about the truth and what’s right, but about the same war strategies that Oliver thinks are necessary.
Still with the links. Still no explanation. Still a coward.
fafaroo made a decent case, why are you mute, Indeed?
Why not make up a little bit for your slanderous offense.
I can’t tell you what motivates Limbaugh, but I don’t believe he is trying to do harm to African Americans.
Dennis, calling Obama’s economic policies a “reparations” does damage to the African American community when you say it to a national radio audience in the millions and you mean it.
He is not being sincere in the paragraphs above. The evidence are all the other comments in which he deliberately injects race into a discussion where it doesn’t belong in an insensitive, divisive and bigoted way.
If he was being sincere, he would never have called Obama’s economic policies “reparations.”
It’s as simple as that. He’s a racist.
And why didn’t you object?
And my question for you at the time was why did you object? You have regularly put quotes around words that were never said or used in what you’re quoting.
You quoted the headline of an article about changes in the health care bill but changed the words “end of life” in the headline to “death panels” and you left the quotes as if they were actually in the headline. They weren’t.
Why’d you do that, Dennis? To suggest that there were actually “death panel” provisions in the bill? I believe you did.
“The only time you’ve attempted to make that case you lied about it and said Limbaugh said the only reason McNabb was a quarterback in the NFL was because he was black. He said nothing of the sort.”
That’s exactly what he said Dennis, and you’re an idiot for not being able to parse basic English. The idea was that McNabb, a pro-Bowl quarterback, was only a starter because the NFL and the media wanted a black quarterback to succeed. This implies that McNabb had the starting job only because of his race, not because of his talent and ability. And you obviously know nothing about football, because the whole “black QB’s are too dumb for the position” was regularly thrown out, at least until recently with the success of many black ones.
If you honestly can’t see why this is a racist statement, you’re simply too dumb to function.
But as I’ve suggested, don’t take my word for it, just ask the NFL owners. If they thought Rush was a perfectly nice human being with not a racist bone in his body, why did they block him? Why did the basically say, “No you racist fuck, you will hurt our brand and we don’t want you because outside of the 20 percent of Americans who breathe out of their mouths, you are a detestable scumfuck of a human being and you will lose money for us?”
And that’s only the McNabb comment. What about the “Blood vs. Crips”? “Barack the Magic Negro”? “Barack Halfbama”? All documented instances of racism on GOP leader Rush’s part.
Racist fucks are bad enough. The people who defend them? Even worse.
Although it’s highly amusing that you’re so desperate to defend the guy since reality-based Americans hate him and his racism. I remember when you used to scold people for talking about Rush so much when we managed to pin him down as the true leader of the GOP. Now you’re the one who can’t shut up about him!
“I can’t tell you what motivates Limbaugh, but I don’t believe he is trying to do harm to African Americans.”
Based on? his alleged donation that you keep parading around like some fucking badge of honor?
“Why do you focus on me and why does my opinion matter to you so much ….”
Because you’re the last Limbaugh apologist standing? If you’d quit excusing his objectionable behavior, I’m guessing this thread would end.
“Why do you focus on me and why does my opinion matter to you so much ….”
Your opinion is dumber than dumb and I enjoy rubbing your face in your own ignorance. And it’s hard not to focus on somebody who posts roughly half the comments any given thread on oliverwillis.com.
Fucking Liar? LOL, Which part isn’t true?
That you aren’t an employee of Media Matters?
Or that MM doesn’t have deep ties to John Podesta and George Soros?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Matters_for_America
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_American_Progress
Or this;
Jaim
October 15, 2009 at 8:18 pm
“Take that bone out of your nose.”
Or this;
Indeed
October 13, 2009 at 3:44 pm
“Look, let me put it to you this way: The NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it.”
“I mean, let’s face it, we didn’t have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: Slavery built the South. I’m not saying we should bring it back. I’m just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark.”
“The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies.”
“Take that bone out of your nose and call me back!”
Perhaps you have cites for these quotes that were parroted on this site. It is said that Soros pays a staff to make transcripts of Limbaugh’s broadcasts to further Soro’s political agenda. That may or may not be true but if it is it would seem like it would be easy to accurately source these comments.
CNN couldn’t do it but maybe you can.
CNN apologized ( sort of) for falsely attributing these quotes to Limbaugh.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2009/10/12/cnns-rick-sanchez-features-dubious-limbaugh-slavery-quote
Or is it a lie that Sharpton has threatened to sue Limbaugh for libel?
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/17/sharpton-threatens-suit-against-limbaugh/
Would you like to debate the validity of Sharpton being antisemetic?
Or that he has blood on his hands?
Or that he is considered a civil rights leader?
That he is considered a kingmaker and that Democrat candidates have not gone out of their way to curry favor with him or get an endorsement?
Or he is not a player in the hiearchy of the Democrat Party?
Or that his unrepentant lies are a matter of legal record in the libel case in which he was found guilty?
It’s possible to think that both Sharpton and Limbaugh play the race card.
However, it’s Limbaugh who’s on record for the McNabb comment, for the “blood vs. crips” comment, for the “Barack the Magic Negro,” for “Barack Halfbama,” etc.
He’s a racist drug addict who would be bad for anybody’s business or brand. The NFL ownership simply acted in their own best interests, which was to not let a racist drug addict to taint their product.
This is the free market in action. Stop your whining and bed-wetting, AO.
Go back to bed you fucking loser.
AO I mean
LOL Jaim,
Oliver called me a liar and I am calling bullshit. I don’t think you actually believe your line of reasoning. But perhaps you do, you’re naive enough.
How’s that invisible hand working for you Calvinists? I bet Rambaugh’s pissed that it’s finally slapping him around the block.
What line of reasoning? That bigots who say racist things are bigots? And that people who defend the behavior of such bigots (behavior that has been going on for decades) are also bigots? And that the NFL wanted nothing to do with a racist, drug addicted bigot who also happens to be the spiritual leader of the GOP?
Those are straightforward syllogisms. The NFL is simply rejecting a racist because they don’t want to be seen as racists themselves. Simple.
Your lie is that I posted the quotes in dispute about Limbaugh. I never did.
I did, however, post the racist quotes Limbaugh has said. They were recorded and transcribed by Media Matters, where I work because we were the first organization that actually monitored Rush Limbaugh on air and as such he doesn’t get the free pass he used to.
Perhaps you have cites for these quotes that were parroted on this site.
Jesus. Effing. Christ.
It’s. Right. Effing. Here. With. Links. To. The. God. Damn. Audio.
This is now probably the 100th time this same link has been posted to this thread. One of you right wingers try and CLICK the blue text for a change.
This seemed appropriate for this thread: Colbert on Why Media Matters Makes Life Hard for Limbaugh
“It’s. Right. Effing. Here. With. Links. To. The. God. Damn. Audio.”
LOL. Allow me to do my Dennis impression. “How can you prove that those audio clips of Limbaugh weren’t doctored by George Soros and Nancy Pelosi? That’s right — YOU CAN’T!!!”
Hey Oliver,
I stand corrected, you were right on one quote parroted by the choir here. Your propaganda outfit has a cite for the Crips and Bloods remark.
“Your lie is that I posted the quotes in dispute about Limbaugh. I never did.”
Sadly no Oliver, I didn’t say that. What I did say was that the false quotations attributed to Limbaugh were parroted here on this site and then I later gave several examples of the same. I was apparently incorrect about the Crips/Bloods remark.
You have called me a liar based on your flawed comprehension of my written remarks. You made a mistake, we’ll see if you’re man enough to admit it.
What I did say was that the false quotations attributed to Limbaugh were parroted here on this site and then I later gave several examples of the same.
I thought you were saying I had said them. If that’s not what you were saying, my bad.
Your propaganda outfit has a cite for the Crips and Bloods remark.
LOL.
Amused Observer is correct on this, Oliver. He didn’t say you did. Go back and read the sentence that you object to and you’ll see. You called him a fucking liar for something he didn’t say.
You did, however, see Indeed parrot the forged quotes all week long, because you commented on this I said but you didn’t correct him or acknowledge that the quotes we know now are forged were unsourced. It’s amazing to me that Media Matters never acknowledged that they had no sourcing for those quotes, either, because surely they would have if they were true and there were sources. Without a doubt.
And it’s a joke to claim that Media Matters can’t call Limbaugh a racist if they are sure that he is. A complete joke. I’m embarrassed to hear you say that. That’s absurd. They don’t say it because, like you, they can’t make a case for it, and they could be sued and exposed for their slanders, unlike you.
It’s amazing to me that Media Matters never acknowledged that they had no sourcing for those quotes, either, because surely they would have if they were true and there were sources.
They should have acknowledged quotes they never used? What in God’s name are you talking about?
They don’t say it because, like you, they can’t make a case for it, and they could be sued and exposed for their slanders, unlike you.
What you don’t know could fill Fedex Field. MM does not as a rule call people out on these things. They can’t. I do.
Go ahead and parse it, “exactly what he said” and you’ll find that he made no such distinction, and that you are lying. If you have exactly what he said, you won’t need to parse it, anyway. He never said anything like McNabb was only a QB in the NFL because he was black and you can go back and show the quote that’s been pasted on here for the 100th time and see for yourself. You won’t be able to show me one thing from Media Matter, nor anyone in professional sports journalism, that will back you up on that, either, Jaim.
Oliver won’t back you up on that. Because Limbaugh never said that.
Only you do.
Again, Limbaugh’s comments:
There’s nothing in there about starting, Jaim. There’s no implication of his only being a starter because he’s black, as you falsely claim. You can’t find the word ’starter’ in his quote. You teach English, but you can’t comprehend it. Strange.
And Jaim, I forgot more about football by the age of 18 than you’ll absorb the rest of your pathetic life, and it won’t matter how much time you spend on the internet in reading about it…..in South Korea.
Lying buffoon.
“Limbaugh also stated: “So you go into Darfur and you go into South Africa, you get rid of the white government there. You put sanctions on them. You stand behind Nelson Mandela — who was bankrolled by communists for a time, had the support of certain communist leaders. You go to Ethiopia. You do the same thing.”"
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200708230008
Wow. No racism there.
“they could be sued and exposed for their slanders”
Hosting radio clips of Limbaugh saying racist things isn’t slander, nor is documenting his long history of saying racist things.
But please, continue to work yourself into a lather defending a known racist.
McNabb was the starter at the time. Limbaugh says he only had his job because he was black.
I’d be happy to talk football with you any day, as it’s one of my favorite sports. Given the fact that you’re ignorant regarding the long history of the “blacks can’t play at QB” slur, it’s apparent that there’s yet another subject you don’t have a fucking clue about.
And are you denying the “Bloods vs. Crips” comment, one that is also documented? The implication that all NFL players are just gang members without their weapons?
Keep swinging and missing, Dennis. You’re tireless work here, beginning each day before sunrise, will surely lead to the vindication of Chairman Rush! Keep up the shitty work, Sparky! Defending a known racist makes you like, the coolest wingnut with a FreeRepublic and/or Stormfront account ever!
I could be wrong about this, but it was my impression that when linking to an article, there is nothing wrong with changing what the headline was, as most times the headline was not the original author’s even, but the editor’s, and as an article may be placed in several publications, that same article’s headline may be different. And altering the the wording of the headline when linking I didn’t think was any kind of breach of any kind.
What Oliver did was put quotes around calling Obama a coon, which she never did, she merely put a picture of a raccoon eating from a box of cracker jacks on her blog. Oliver made a leap that Evel Knievel would’ve been envious of, and what he quoted her saying was libelous.
You had no problem with that, yet you moralize me.
He didn’t say that, you moron. Show the quote where he said that and state your case. That is a lie.
Starting at QB is the coaching decision. If Limbaugh said he only had a starting position as QB would be a knock on the coach, and Limbaugh criticized the media. If you’re implying that the media made the coach name McNabb the starting QB, then you’re an idiot.
You said you knew about football. Are you aware of the rules changes by the NFL for dertain types of clothing and the investigations of gang signs used by players that the NFL conducted and later banned, such as the throat slashing?
Is the entire NFL racist for banning those things, and were you aware that was at the same time Limbaugh made that quote? You claim to know all about context, but you really don’t. And that’s not an implication that all NFL players are just gang members without their weapons. You can’t make an argument here without having to resort to ‘implications’. If you hate someone, then you can say anything he said was an ‘implication’, and that’s exactly what you do. When you don’t do that, you just simply lie about it, like you did with the McNabb quote.
You’re a waste of time to argue with. You obviously think there’s nothing wrong with lying. That has to be why you failed in your profession here in the States.
“That has to be why you failed in your profession here in the States.”
OK, this is yet another personal attack that has no basis in reality other than in your delusional mind. Believe it or not Dennis, people move abroad all the time for work and personal reasons. And for all the times you’ve attacked what I do for a living, you’re still too chickenshit to tell us what it is you do.
I’m going to take some time off from here. But Oliver, I’d appreciate it if you’d back up your post about personal attacks. I hereby apologize for any that I’ve made and will try to be better about it from now on. But I’m sick and tired of Dennis and AO constantly attacking my profession and my lifestyle (i.e., living happily as an ex-pat).
Call me an idiot or a dick or whatever, that’s fine. Attack me for being a mindless Obama-bot. But the constant harping from you and Amused Observer about me a) being a teacher, something I take a lot of pride in regardless of your complete disdain for education and educated people in general and b) living abroad (here’s a hint, Sherlock — I’m one of about 50-60,000 Americans who make their livings here in Korea) is just complete bullshit.
You want to know a little secret about me Dennis? I taught in America for seven years. First five at the college level, next two at the high school level. At the high school I was miserable. I like teaching, always have, but the school was really poorly run. It drove me crazy having to deal with an administration that was completely clueless as to how to do their jobs. So I stuck it out for two years then decided teaching wasn’t for me. So I did some other things — freelance writing, editing, office work. And I realized that I kind of missed teaching, yet couldn’t handle another nightmare experience like I’d had in a supposedly “good” American high school, dealing with no small number of kids, probably like your own, whose parents had raised them to disdain education, ideas, complicated thoughts, and most importantly a passion for learning about the world, because Republicans like yourself and AO have spent the last five decades trying to poison the well with regards to the virtues of “book learning,” as if that’s only something a weak-willed terrorist would want to do. Books? Haha! We don’t need no stinkin’ books! We’ve got Rush! We’ve got Michael Savage! Books are just those thing liberals use to indoctrinate the young! Noted historian Jonah Goldberg says that Fascism is the exact same thing as Communism!
So I signed a contract to teach in Korea on what was a potentially risky move, not even having met the boss or seen the school.
And guess what? This is the happiest teaching experience I’ve ever had. My god, children who are raised to respect education as both something that improves your life but also as a lifelong goal about yourself? About making your financial circumstances better, sure, but also about learning as much about the world as possible? I had a lot of great students in America, but also a number of whom were simply (as far as I could tell) poisoned by parents like you into thinking education was for losers, that learning about foreign countries and languages was something only pussies did.
So I take it back. I’m am going to fire a parting shot at you Dennis before I take my little break.
Fuck you and your sorry, sad, miserable existence. Fuck you and you inability to think at a higher level than “must repeat marching orders from Redstate.” And fuck AO for constantly, constantly saying that teaching is something that’s easy, and that academics who have spent decades working to get published and build a credible standing in their respective fields are just charlatans, because global warming can’t be real because my left bunion is an achin’ in the cold weather this morning and Glenn Beck told me Obama was coming to kill my grandma!
For fuck’s sake man, do you really think I’m the only American who decided to get the hell out of America during the dark ages of Bush’s failed attempt at an imperial presidency, not to mention wrecking the economy? On behalf of all teachers everywhere, but especially those teaching abroad, fuck both of you.
This seemed appropriate for this thread: Colbert on Why Media Matters Makes Life Hard for Limbaugh
Hadn’t seen that video. Very nice. Link on the site didn’t work for me. This on did:
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/109225/october-08-2007/the-word—medium-matters
Jaim, you’re far from the only person whose guts to be open about thier identity Dennis enjoys taking advantage of. You just sort of have to accept its meaning. The internet has made it a lot easier for cowards to spew their inner hatred at people that they’d be terrified of saying if they ever thought they’d have to back it up. Dennis likes to attack your job, call someone else a sockpuppet, deliberately misspell my name and somehow think I’m upset that a moronic right-wing coward doesn’t enjoy my cartoons. If you make a game of predicting how fast he’ll do it, it can actually be quite amusing.
Don’t let it get to you, man. I mean, enjoy the amusing irony of it all: you’ve done some awesome stuff, actually gone and seen the world, helped people. Meanwhile, one day Oliver will just get fed up, click a single mouse click, and “Dennis” won’t exist anymore. Isn’t that weird, when you think about it that way? That’s what makes trolls so fascinating. They think they have all this awesome power to abuse people and they exist for one reason- someone else lets them. I mean at least the Jays have real names and websites. I don’t agree with anything they say but at least they have the balls to stand by their statements.
I guess in this thread it’s even funnier than usual. Just try to contextualize his constant defense of Limbaugh’s racism with the realization that he’s been Oliver’s bitch ever since he started trolling here. Failing that, just go enjoy the actual life you’re proud to talk about. Some people are just very angry they don’t have what you do.
Not making an indictment, Oliver, just an observation. Just between us girls, Media Matters had to have looked into the forged quotes and known quite a while ago they were not sourced. It’s not their responsibility to make that announcement and they did right by not using them or even in letting people know they were ‘out there’ and someone in a book had claimed he said them. I’m just asking why, it they had this list compiled, and they were the first ones to monitor Limbaugh’s every word, they had to be on top of the forged quote situation from the beginning. Why didn’t they share that they had found nothing on quotes that were the most inflammatory and the ones being used front and center to lynch Limbaugh, especially since, as you say, those weren’t needed, that there were mounds of other evidence. Seems like doing that would’ve been taking the high road and would’ve given them more credibility.
I don’t know all the inside rules at MM, that is true, but compiling a list that every blog links to and saying limbaugh’s statements were ‘racially charged’ is calling him out. Why can’t they say he’s a racist if they have rock-solid evidence and it’s so blatantly obvious as you say, but they can say he constantly and repeatedly makes ‘racially charged’ statements?
TNC weighs in:
http://ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/10/the_gop.php
Long, but typically good.
Oh, and funky flashback. Last time I cited TNC, Dennis ignored any substance of the quote and wrote:
That TNC comment is worth revisiting too.
http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/09/28/a-different-sort-of-take-back-america/#comment-181514
So be prepared for some patented:
“look over here” tactics from Uncle Dennis the Troll.
http://www.openleft.com/diary/15592/diversionary-tactics-aside-its-clear-rush-limbaugh-is-a-racist
Gots to love the Diversionary Tactics from the Deadend Dittoheads like My Racist Uncle.
Funny, Matt Osborne can post here but he can’t make the case that Limbaugh is a racist, either. Just like you can’t, Indeed. He does just what you are doing, the scattergun approach to a baseless charge, where more is less. You should get credit for his HuffPo blog post, though, because he’s imitating you and he’s surely read your constant linking to make an argument that you can’t make on your own.
And by extension, that HuffPo guy could never back up the charge he makes in that last sentence, either. I would invite him to try, though.
Indeed, your post is confusing… as always. Sirota made the comment, not Osborne, that “if you can listen to those clips and still insist that he’s not a racist, then you probably are a racist yourself.” which is a chickenshit assertion. You are probably a racist? Yeah, well he’s probably a chickenshit blogger, too, who makes the charge of being a racist no more meaningful than calling someone he disagrees with an a-hole.
Repeat that comment of mine for the next six months, Indeed. I’d relish it.
Oliver,
You’re man enough. Thank you.
Excuse me… The right and main stream media used the “I invented internet” lies to derail Al Gore’s political career. That was used over and over to tag Al Gore as a liar, untrustworthy, etc. Attacking Al Gore in this manner is easily on the same level (if not worst) than upsetting a business deal.
I’m not so complex or nuanced – Limbaugh is a racist and so are MOST of his dittoheads.
LOL, Jaim
I have the blood of acadamia in my veins. My maternal Grandfather was a college professer, economics. My Mom was a jr. high, high school teacher and then college professer. Gramps was good enough to get a building named after him.
Where do you think I received my insight into the world of education? I learned about economics on my grandfather’s knee. When I was older he shared antecdotes about the profession.
Tis not I that have poisoned the well of education. The harm to the reputation has come from the practicers of the art. The piss poor methods of teaching reading by abandoning phonetics, intergrated math, politically correct history, an abandonment of classical literature, English without grammer. That’s at the primary level. The university’s are no better until you get to the “hard sciences”, No Mambo this doesn’t include you LOL.
Teaching was once one of the few outlets for an educated woman to make a living. There was a deep pool of talent to draw from. Women got more options and the best minds drifted away from the field. As women’s options improved specialized courses and accreditation in the “profession” of teaching became the norm. The atttempt was made to transform the art of teaching to the science of teaching. Much was lost in the process. Much was lost in the process. An education degree is the bottom of the barrell. If you can’t hack anything else there is always education. An interesting observation, the lines on the graph representing GPA’s and SAT scores are moving in opposite directions.
Your bitterness and closemindedness coupled with some pretty poor critical thought processes that cripple your capablity to use logic are not habits that bode well for your choice of careers.
No, isms, you’re neither complex nor nuanced, that is correct.
You just can’t make a case for it.
So be prepared for some patented:
“look over here” tactics from Uncle Dennis the Troll.
As predicted on these very pages. Never thought it would happen so quickly. I wonder if this comment will bear repeating in six months. Signs point to yes.
I could be wrong about this …
You are.
If you’re defending Limpballs (how’s that for “politically incorrect”?), you’re an ass and probably just as racist an ass as that fat cretin is. You lost the election. You’re the minority. Stop pissing and moaning when your de facto leader gets called out. Not manly.
Citations, fafaroo?
I wonder if this comment will bear repeating in
six monthseleven minutes. Signs point to yes.I have the blood of acadamia in my veins.
ROFLMAO. This is the stupidest thing I’ve read in this thread and there so much stupid here that’s really saying something.
Can you change your name to Amusing Observer?
Citations, fafaroo?
You want me to give you citations that it’s wrong to misrepresent what’s in a published article? Really?
fafaroo, he also wants a long form copy of your birth certificate.
You’re so cutting edge, Pollack.
I had to google that one to get it.
I won’t make a reference to your comedic abilities because I don’t want to see any more tears on this thread, but also because your coddling of Jaim’s complete meltdown instead of the tough love from a friend he actually needed, was the funniest thing I’ve read in a while, so it’s obvious you do have the talent for making people laugh; you just need a different venue with which to channel it.
the semi rich players didn’t want rush the racebaiter, the rich owners didn’t either. neither did the commish….. rush should have learned his lesson after the espn flameout, but didn’t…much of the country and even less of corporate america want to hear this crap anymore….
ah well, now he knows what it’s like to be denied entrance to a fancy country club….
“college professer”
“English without grammer”
“The university’s are no better”
“education degree is the bottom of the barrell”
Are you being intentionally ironic with this post? Subtle.
Gauntlet alert:
http://mediamatters.org/blog/200910190012
I wonder if My Racist Uncle will take the challenge. I wonder if any of our resident Deadender Dittoheads will.
“No, isms, you’re neither complex nor nuanced, that is correct.”
Thanks for repeating what I just freely admitted, Dennis. Very cutting edge.
“You just can’t make a case for it.”
You just can’t hear it; it’s been made throughout this thread. Moving forward, it’s just a waste of time when speaking to the deaf. Good day.
“college professer”
“English without grammer”
“The university’s are no better”
“education degree is the bottom of the barrell”
You do Grandpappy proud.
“Please explain Limbaugh’s “grab the ankles” quote”
Memories of Costa Rica and a bucket load of Viagra.
LOL,
I type fast without a spellcheck, a wee bit of a computer problem. Thanks for your ever present efforts to bring this to my attention.
Fafaroo,
Happy for your amusement. I merely bring this up to inform our insolent young pup that I have a bit more depth on the subject of education and educators than he might imagine. You seemed to gloss over the meat of the post regarding the role of improved opportunities for women along with the clash of accreditation vs aptitude.
One of the benefits of growing up in a tight knit community is watching how people turn out. I’ve known some people since kindergarten, I watched them learn, know their abilities, and have observed their career paths.
Teaching is an art not a science. A good teacher is invaluable and rare. There are many journeymen merely serving time and muddling through and a significant minority who are both ignorant and incapable of even coming close to having the ability to do their jobs poorly. As the kids went through school, with much more job flexibility than my wife, I attended most of the parent teacher conferences. Our kids attended one of the better public schools in the state. Better, meaning it was always in the top tier of student accomplishment. I was unimpressed.
The kid’s education was adequate at best. This is a district with ample money, good facilities, no shortage of textbooks and hardware and a plugged in parent community. Teachers strove to be employed here. Adequate was a best case scenario for our children. My wife made up for the inadequacies in the language arts and I boosted the science and math. Our girl was first in her class and the boy ( a serious underachiever bored to tears) did quite well with stellar SATs.
Now I realize that kid bragging is rather obnoxious but my point is that I am well aquainted with the education system not only through the carreers of maternal relations but through the academic careers of my kids at the high school, university, and post graduate levels. It’s an art with far too few quality practitioners. Jaim’s personality shortcomings lead me to believe he does not reside on the left side of the bell curve.
they had to be on top of the forged quote situation from the beginning
You make these leaps of logic that would impress Superman.
What is the logic, then? They didn’t print the disputed quotes on their blog, not even before last week, because there was no sourcing and no transcript. They had to know that if those quotes were true, it would be highly damaging, so there was an incentive for your firm to verify them; a big incentive.
Do you not have access to all his transcripts? Media Matters has been tracking him for a long time you said; the first watchdog group to do so.
If they had no sourcing such that they didn’t go with the quotes, why didn’t they let people know that?
No leap of logic. Pretty simple question, actually.
I merely bring this up to inform our insolent young pup that I have a bit more depth on the subject of education and educators than he might imagine.
Lernin’ economicks at yer granpappy’s knee and $2.50 will you get you a latte, Amusing.
Your authoritative understanding of scholarly pursuit is made patently obvious by the serious primary data and historical research you’ve presented to support the argument that accreditation drove women out of the educational field, or whatever it is you think you’re saying when you wrote this:
Apparently the “acadamic [sic] blood” that runs in your veins hasn’t provided you with the skills to provide citations and evidence in support of your claims.
You want someone to take you seriously, Amusing? Try backing up your assertions with verifiable facts.
Although I would suggest that you first go back and unscramble what it is you’ve written to come up with an actual identifiable thesis. Do you think you can do that?