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Kid’s family might want to keep a video camera handy in case Michelle Malkin shows up to root through their trash cans.
Kid a dangerous intellectual if they’ve made it to the 4th grade
I see that the indoctrination program is working successfully.
I can already see how the crazies will try to spin what the fourth grader said, “They’re supposed to love you. And God is love.” into something he did not.
They will say something like this, “See, they see Obama as the messiah” or “They put Obama up there with Christ”.
Trust me they will say something like that.
Because he wants to kill your grammie, little girl. That’s why.
They will say something like this, “See, they see Obama as the messiah” or “They put Obama up there with Christ”.
You mean like this guy?
“Barack Obama doesn’t care about 4th Graders.”
/Kanye’d
That poor, poor girl and her family. I hope they’re prepared for the slagging they’re about to get on FOX news and the wingnut media, shortly to be followed by the harassing calls and death threats.
Unpolitic answer: “Because, Terence, some folks are dicks. It’s easier to vilify me than to find the source of their troubles. Understand, any of our people are lazy, ignorant, cowardly bastards. Corporations and shock jocks want to keep ‘em that way.”
I sincerely hope that wasn’t staged. People don’t hate Obama, they just don’t approve of the job he’s doing.
I sincerely hope that wasn’t staged.
Indeed.
Thanks for the speculation, Peggy.
I wonder where a fourth grader would get the idea that people hate Pres Obama…
Hmmmmm …
I wonder where a fourth grader would get the idea that people hate Pres Obama…
I blame the parents for not monitoring the TV. His parents need to tell him that these people on TV are a lot like the strangers with candy, and they mean to harm the kid.
I’m guessing he saw one of the loonies on FOX News taking advantage of the First Amendment in order to terrify children with crazy talk. Some programs aren’t suitable for children who can’t yet discern between fairy tales and reality. When I was the kid’s age I still believed that adults were supposed to be responsible.
@Frank- Kids nowadays are brighter then you think. They understand what’s going on.
Repack Rider- He didn’t only have to see it on Fake News. CNN and MSNBC gave those loons air time too, but I think he mostly seen it on the internet then on a cable news channel. Unless he over heard it while his mom or dad was watching those channels.
Kids are more aware of what is happening today (either by talking with parents, or teachers, or what they find on the internet). My niece is only 4 years old and knows how to work the internet better than I do.
Poor Dennis has to cite carefully worded Fox “news” polls to make himself feel better. When I clicked on Dennis’s link, on the same page I got an add for RCP’s non-partisan poll of polls which has Obama+12.
Months of right-wing jihad bent on destroying Obama at any cost, and what’s it add up to? Epic fail.
@Dennis — First of all, that’s a Fox News poll, so I don’t think you can claim that it’s representative of the country as a whole. I’m actually pretty surprised that “only” 43% of all voters in a Fox News poll would vote for Obama.
Secondly, 81% of people who voted for Obama said they would do so again, and that number has actually gone UP, and the numbers for all Democrats is also quite high. This idea that people are having buyer’s remorse about Obama is complete BS. Thirdly, if the country is more divided today than before, I fail to see how you can blame it on Obama. He’s been bending over backwards trying to bipartisan, much to the chagrin of many Democrats. The blame for this political climate lies squarely in the lap of the Republicans.
I feel great, Wilbur. Been doing the P90X program and haven’t felt this good in years.
A link to the raw data internals is here.
Please list the flaws. Not doing so makes the rest of your commentary bush league.
He’s losing independents. The country continues to lose jobs. Foreclosures continue to climb. Afghanistan and Pahkeetahn continue to get worse and worse. Liberal bloggers are wavering on him, too; you guys finally at least admit that.
You know this, but you keep a stiff upper lip. That’s admirable.
Kids nowadays are brighter then you think. They understand what’s going on.
I don’t care if the child is a prodigy, my question was not, “Is he bright?”; my question was, “Where did he get the idea that people hate Pres Obama?”
And, I ask you, “Do you have even the vaguest notion how smart I think kids are?”
@Dennis- I didn’t say the kid was a prodigy, and I gave you an answer to your question.
Kids are brighter now. They live in the high tech age where everything is at their finger tips. They can read hateful spam-text or emails on their phones/computers aimed towards the President (I know because I’ve received some).
They seen people at the town-halls yelling and screaming calling the President Hitler, a socialist, and a communist, or seeing people bring firearms to those same town-halls in protest to the President.
They see protesters in their hometowns saying hateful things against the President for even wanting to speak to school children.
They think people hate President Obama because that is what THEY ARE SEEING not what they are being told.
I know you want this to be a liberal bias thing but it’s not….it reality.
Oops wrong name. I meant to address that to Frank not Dennis.
Sorry Dennis.
Kid’s family might want to keep a can of pepper spray handy in case Michelle Malkin shows up to root through their trash cans.
FTFY.
Please list the flaws
The flaw is not in the poll, Dennis, but in you. You’ve cherrypicked one poll that supports your prejudices when there are several polls, and poll aggregators like RCP, offering results that challenge your prejudices.
The flaw is also in Fox for suddenly deciding that the most telling number is that only 48% would vote for Obama if the election were held today. Notice what they don’t tell you is who else would get anywhere close to 48% if they were running against Obama. Notice also that in that number only 30 some-odd would definitely vote against Obama.
That’s pretty astounding considering a) that things are far from rosy in the republic: climbing out of the Bush recession and the Bush quagmire in the middle east is a long, painful and arduous process b) that starting even before he took office Obama has faced the orchestrated clown chorus of nattering nabobs of hope-he-fails negativism like yourself doing their best to smear him, his wife, his children, his dog, and everything he does.
All that effort, and still, Obama’s aggregate approval numbers are no lower than the percentage of people who voted for him last November. His approval has been trending upward, and will continue to do so as long as the economy continues to improve and more of his legislative agenda makes it through congress.
Keep up the exercise, Dennis. The BS you’re trying to shovel isn’t going to get any lighter, so you’ll need all the muscle power you can get.
Malkin will be kicking in his parent’s door soon. I read the comments over at Hot Air and it’s as you expect.
Yeah, their hatred has nothing to do with race. Really, they just disagree with Obama’s policies (wink, wink).
I wonder where a fourth grader would get the idea that people hate Pres Obama…
Because his detractors are sub-literate hookworm feeders?
“I’ll take ‘The Obvious’ again for $400 Alex?”
Yes, CJ, exactly, because of what they are seeing : night after night, the same scenes of people dissenting against the President.
Back in the 60’s and 70’s we were told it was part of the democratic process, and it was practically our duty to dissent. Now, an 8 year old believes that people who disagree with the President, hate him.
Nowhere does Pres Obama mention that they have a right to dissent; nowhere does he mention that they disagree with him.
And, by the way, CJ, I receive tons of conservative emails from human events, move forward , and other organizations. I have never received any hate mail regarding the President. Maybe it’s coming from the Left. They sure perfected their hating skills from 2000 to 2008.
I posted the poll because it is current as of today (well, yesterday now), and if it is not flawed, as you admit, there is nothing wrong with it to support my contention that Obama is not hated, but rather people in greater numbers than before do not approve of the job he’s doing.
And you have no idea that the economy will continue to improve, whether the jobs situation will improve, or whether his approval numbers will improve. Of the two of us, you’re the only one making unsubstantiated predictions.
Funny how there’s supposedly throngs of people who voted Obama that are now registered Republicans, because I’ve never met or spoken with one.
But thanks for the concern trolling, Dennis. So kind of you.
@Frank- Did read my comment? They don’t have to be bombarded with that stuff only on the t.v, there’s the internet, text, and they can walk down the street and hear people say things like that.
If I’m not mistaken Louisiana is in the South, right? Oh you know the racists down there don’t hold back their tongues.
It’s good that you didn’t get any hate mail about Obama. I guess you were lucky.
Oops I meant “Did you read my comment?”.
I wonder where a fourth grader would get the idea that people hate Pres Obama…
A fourth grader? Maybe she reads RedState.
Kid’s family might want to keep a can of pepper spray handy in case Michelle Malkin shows up to root through their trash cans.
good point, but I still want to see the video.
[yawn....] people in greater numbers than before do not approve of the job he’s doing.
You got one poll that shows a decrease within the margin of error, I got aggregtes of dozens of polls that say the opposite. I likes my chances.
A link to the raw data internals is here.
Please list the flaws. Not doing so makes the rest of your commentary bush league.
Well, for one thing, those are the results, not raw data. Without that, we have no way to determine if the data is a true random sample. On that note, HOW was the data gathered? Polling statistics are prone to tons of potential biases.
A fourth grader? Maybe she reads RedState.
Or maybe some of her classmates write RedState.
On that note, HOW was the data gathered?
It was a telephone-only poll, which is not ideal but hardly unheard of; the sample size was a little small, but again within the bounds of common practice; the party ID balance seemed to me a bit short on the Dem side, but nothing outragous. Altogether not a crappy poll, as far as one can tell from their own reporting, but not the greatest imaginable. And with results showing a change within the acknowledged MoE, it’s really nothing that anyone but a crass partisan tool would crow about (not naming any names here, but…).
What’s really crap is Fox’s foregrounding of the meaningless “would you vote for Obama” question. Hackery, thy name is Fox.
OK, enough stereotyping for one day. This 8 year old boy just happens to read right wing blogs, gets text messages from bigots, and overhears racist conversations.
But in no way, shape or form is he influenced by television, radio, his parents, or his teachers. Oh, my, no! That couldn’t possibly be …
This is why I love being a teacher. Whether good or bad, children don’t really have a filter. I think the better question for conservatives: If a 4th grader can see the hate coming from your side on TV, what is really wrong with you? Not everyone agrees(atheists) but I also like his response to hate, God is love. Pithy.
The raw data is at the bottom of the link I provided when I posted the results and I also posted a link to the raw data.
Again, Zython, late to the meeting and completely clueless. Most people just remain quiet in that situation, but you just start blabbing nonsense.
I am very glad you’re on the side you’re on. The perfect metaphor for liberals who tout their superiority by virtue of their perceived intelligence and reality-based analysis.
Frank,
There has been dissent in this country for a long time, Frank. People have hated a lot of policies of a lot of President’s for a long time, it is just easier to get “creative” in your dissent when the President is markedly different in appearance than other Presidents.
I could try and debate your obvious inference that “nobody hates Obama because he’s black, we just hate his policies. Republicans display no racial bias liberals just perpetuate racism to further their cause. This kid had the idea that Obama was hated by people by his uninformed parents, a liberal media, and a liberal education system.”
Could it be possible that this eight year old may watch television shows on Fox just as much as any other channel. Perhaps he has heard there was a Facebook poll on whether or not the President has been assassinated. Perhaps he saw clips of some of the “jokes” that Republican staffers send around depicting the President as an ape, a monkey, a person eating watermelon or adorning the front of a “gubmint welfare check”.
Just maybe some of those things came to the forefront.
Usually I wouldn’t have added a comment on something like this, but I didn’t realize how bad it was until just last night. I went out to grab a bite to eat last night, and I heard a drunk idiot at Texas Roadhouse say that a “war” was coming, but it is dangerous because “15% of the Army is black and we know which side they will be on.”……pathetic. Of course this was after a long speech about people marking his ammo and wanting to know how much he had “stored.”
The raw data is at the bottom of the link I provided when I posted the results and I also posted a link to the raw data.
What you linked to was processed data, not raw data. More detailed processed data than in the news story, but still processed. Granted polling organizations are not in the habit of publishing their raw data, but Zython is technically correct.
But Dennis: I called BS on your partisan toolery even assuming that the poll was methodologically sound. Anything to say about that? Apparently not.
Typical Dennis. It’s sort of like calling someone a dirty rotten scoundrel and he responds “no way! I had a bath yesterday!”
What you linked to was processed data, not raw data. More detailed processed data than in the news story, but still processed. Granted polling organizations are not in the habit of publishing their raw data, but Zython is technically correct.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. Interestingly, I noticed while looking through Dennis’s link is that they didn’t ask if the person voted for Obama in 2008. That seems like an important detail missing.
Again, Zython, late to the meeting and completely clueless. Most people just remain quiet in that situation, but you just start blabbing nonsense.
You’ve never done actual statistical analysis, have you?
This is probably why so many “good Christians” and other right thinkers hate Obama so much: C.O.R.N.Y.
“Because I’m black, kid. And a lot of people in this country, even though they won’t admit it in front of other grown-ups, just flat-out hate black people.”
Jamey,
You ever been to a PGA event in which Tiger Woods was playing, or even watched one on television?
That is true, you couldn’t have said it better, Zython.
You’re deferring to Wilbur to let you weasel out of the obvious fact that you did no analysis of the available data whether it was raw or processed data; you just blurted out something about the poll that it doesn’t give you a certain piece of information for it to be reliable to you. You didn’t know that there was any supporting data whatsoever or that the link I gave had it there or that I had later linked to it. You just made a generic weasel critique like any professor in a Stats 101 class would tell you to consider.
I made the contention that people don’t hate Obama, they just don’t approve of the job he is doing. That poll, one that had just come out, a recent one, one that is in the news, supported that contention. That is not cherry-picking or partisan hackery. It is stating an opinion and offering a current poll that supports my opinion. If the poll was a piece of shit poll that had serious flaws in and I knew it had serious flaws in it but tried to paint a false picture to lie about what my true knowledge of the situation was, that would be partisan hackery. But that is not the case, Wilbur.
I don’t hate Obama. No one I know who is disgusted with the job he is doing, and I do know considerable people with those sentiments, ever says or shows any inclination that they do hate him. Thus, my opinion is such. And nothing I see about this poll indicates any serious flaws such that it should be dismissed out of hand or that makes my posting it here indicate partisan hackery or cherry-picking.
“Well kid…Maybe it’s the America hating radicals, racists, Maoists, tax dodgers, and pedophile supporters that I choose to hang with. Other than that, I can’t think of anything. Oh, and did you know I won a Nobel Peace Prize?”
Does everyone who opposes Obama hate him? Of course not. Do a lot of people hate him? Sure looks like it. I don’t see how you can look at what much of the right-wing blogosphere is saying, or at the signs at the tea parties, without coming to the conclusion that these people hate Obama personally. How else can you explain right-wing “patriots” cheering when the US loses the Olympics, etc etc?
You could of course say that there was also a lot of hate directed at Bush,but from our perspective on the left, the difference is that Bush did (or at least facilitated) a lot of pretty despicable things. Things that got people killed. What has Obama done that merits that kind of hate? Made some difficult decisions about how to fix the economic problems he inherited? Tried to make it so that people don’t die or go bankrupt because they get sick? Yeah, let’s string him up!
“Maybe it’s the America hating radicals, racists, Maoists, tax dodgers, and pedophile supporters that I choose to hang with. “
Since when did The President do a meet & greet at the DC Mall on 9/12?
How else can you explain right-wing “patriots” cheering when the US loses the Olympics, etc etc?
They were glad to see his prideful balloon burst?
“You could of course say that there was also a lot of hate directed at Bush … the difference is that Bush did (or at least facilitated) things that got people killed.”
And, of course, he was called Chimpy and Bushitler and The Worst President In American History, for that reason and that reason alone.
And, of course, Pres Obama is being criticized unfairly because evil, rotten conservatives want to stop him from his holy mission of saving us from ourselves.
It is particularly amusing to listen to liberals when they struggle so attempting to explain their hypocrisy, isn’t it, Frank?
“You could of course say that there was also a lot of hate directed at Bush … the difference is that Bush did (or at least facilitated) things that got people killed.”
And, of course, he was called Chimpy and Bushitler and The Worst President In American History, for that reason and that reason alone.
One?
August 6th PDB.
Katrina.
Anthrax.
Police statism.
Abu Ghraib.
Guantanamo.
150 billion surplus into 1.2 trillion deficit.
-Context, Sherlock. Get some.
my question was, “Where did he get the idea that people hate Pres Obama?”
HE lives in Louisiana. This is not hard to figure out.
Did Malkin or Robert Stacy McCain or some other awesome journalist ever find out if that was staged? I’d hate to learn that they fucked with innocent people unnecessarily to advance their prejudiced dogshit worldviews.
Terence should’ve asked him why liberals hate him:
Lefty anger splits Dems — and may sink them
Maybe Terence will see this posted on the internet.
“I went out to grab a bite to eat last night, and I heard a drunk idiot at Texas Roadhouse say that a “war” was coming, but it is dangerous because “15% of the Army is black and we know which side they will be on.””
We drove down to your country on Inauguration day and made it as far as Portland on the first night. Went to a corner store to buy a pint of milk and I asked the clerk/owner if he got the President he wanted. His answer, “I’m waiting.” I asked “waiting for what.” He positioned his arms like he was holding a riffle and said, “the race war.” “Really” is all I said back.
Paul_D: There is no excuse to hate a President.
Not having hindsight?
Not being able to stop a hurricane?
Not being able to stop someone from sending anthrax to someone?
Unable to micromanage troops that are more than 5,000 miles away?
Keeping terrorists locked up off our mainland so they can’t escape or take hostages?
Not stopping Congress from spending money both parties wanted to spend? (and, incidentally, we can look forward to much larger deficit by the time Pres Obama is taken to St Elizabeth’s in 2011.
Perspective, Sherlock , get some .
Jesus Frank, you have an excuse for every Bush screw up. I thought you wanted to be the party of responsibility.
Not
having hindsight?paying attentionNot
being able to stop a hurricane?competentNot
being able to stop someone from sending anthrax to someone?looking for the right guyUnable to micromanage
troops that are more than 5,000 miles away?tortureKeeping
terrorists locked up off our mainland so they can’t escape or take hostages?brown people from due process -goddamn bedwetter.“We can look forward to much larger deficit by the time Pres Obama is taken to St Elizabeth’s in 2011.”
Whoops, I left out the cost of that Oedipal folly in the middle east -y’know, the one that was supposed to pay for itself? “That reason alone” The Worst President In American History righteously earns his title for and contempt and that his blowhard apologists so obviously deserve.
Indeed – What would you Leftists have conservatives do – 1. convert to liberalism? 2. disappear from the face of the earth? What say you?
If any of you believe that this child could ask the President a question, any question, without total control, you would believe anything. But, of course, thats just what you Leftists do. You buy that crap comming from the Demoncrat controlled Washingtion not to mention the White House, and your media friends (solid, addmitted, leftists).
I made the contention that people don’t hate Obama, they just don’t approve of the job he is doing. That poll, one that had just come out, a recent one, one that is in the news, supported that contention. That is not cherry-picking or partisan hackery.
Um, yes, Dennis, it is.
If that were the only recent poll that was in the news then you would be justified in citing it.
Since it is only one of dozens of recent polls, and since the aggregate of those other polls directly contradicts your contention, it is the very definition of cherry-picking and partisan hackery to single out that poll.
Also, a single poll that is completely methodologically sound can still turn out to be a statistical outlier. That is why no one who is a) honest, and b) aware of how polls work would site such a poll as proof of anything.
Now it is possible that you were ignorant of any other polls and ignorant about how polls work. If you own up to that ignorance I will gladly withdraw my charge of partisan hackery and cherry-pickitude and offer my sincere apologies.
Wilbur,
Sorry, I’m not going to go to the trouble to make a point about my opinion that Obama is not hated so much as people simply disagree with him as to go out and gather up 10 of the latest polls and do an average. If you want to do that to counter what I posted, then fine. I didn’t claim the poll was rock-solid proof and I don’t expect anyone here to to assume it is either because no one would assume it was proof. I do not care what you think or whether or not you apologize, but I will tell you that I am aware that there are always other polls out there and I do know how polls work, but if you think I’m going to go to that much trouble to make a point about my particular opinion to impress or satisfy you, please think again.
Now, if you’re such the hotshot and such the stickler about partisan hackery and you think I am in so much in the wrong for posting one poll that shows how much Obama’s favorability has fallen since elected, then go up thread to Oliver’s blog post titled “Glenn Beck’s America is Mainstream” and start grilling him about the focus group study from the Democratic-friendly polling firm of Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research and the conclusions they reach that supports his opinion that the Republicans are falling off the cliff. Ask him why he didn’t use other studies to back his opinion. Ask him about the raw data or processed data that was not available. Ask him why he cherrypicked that certain focus group study from a Democrat-friendly firm. Ask him why he linked to an article from David Corn, a partisan hack in his own right, who did all of those same things.
And if you really want to impress me, send an email to Corn-hole and ask him all those things and then report back here with his answers. My guess is he’ll tell you to go pound salt and quit being the jag-off you are!
I asked:
You’ve never done actual statistical analysis, have you?
Dennis responds:
You’re deferring to Wilbur to let you weasel out of the obvious fact that you did no analysis of the available data whether it was raw or processed data; you just blurted out something about the poll that it doesn’t give you a certain piece of information for it to be reliable to you. You didn’t know that there was any supporting data whatsoever or that the link I gave had it there or that I had later linked to it. You just made a generic weasel critique like any professor in a Stats 101 class would tell you to consider.
Translation: “No”
Sorry, I’m not going to go to the trouble [zzzzz.....] to go out and gather up 10 of the latest polls and do an average.
Point is, Dennis, you don’t have to. There are plenty of places, like the RCP poll of polls that I have referred to multiple times on this thread, that do it for you. These sites are well known to people who follow politics on even a half-assed basis, so I assumed you already knew about it. Clearly, you were ignorant, so I offer my sincere apologies.
Now, if you’re such the hotshot and such the stickler about partisan hackery [ssssnork...blmblmblm...] then go up thread to Oliver’s blog post titled “Glenn Beck’s America is Mainstream” and start grilling him about the focus group study [glmph.....zzzzz......] that supports his opinion that the Republicans are falling off the cliff.
Now here maybe it’s me who’s the ignorant one. Are there dozens of other focus group studies that show the opposite result to this one? Because if there are, then the two cases are actually comparable. If there aren’t, then it’s a case of you comparing furbelows and cherimoyas.
And if you really want to impress me, send an email to Corn-hole and ask him all those things and then report back here with his answers.
Thanks for the suggestion, but concern-trolling is not my thing, unlike certain other people (not naming any names here, but…). I’d be interested, though, to see all the similar letters you’ve written to Limbaugh, Beck, Reynolds, Malkin, Palin, etc., just so I can see how its done.
I think Dennis finally ran out of Dexatrim.
Soros forgot to send him his daily check, so he’s taking time off from making Republicans look like racist jagaloons.
That’s bullshit and you are a chickenshit. Oliver did the exact same thing and does the exact same thing regularly. Everyone here does the exact same thing when the cite a poll and then comment on it. I can’t recall a time when someone cited a poll’s results and listed it and then threw in the disclaimer that he RCP average was slightly higher or lower. You want to find three or four of them from here and show me, go right ahead.
You’re the king of double standards, Wilbur.
Dennis jumps out of bed and starts trolling at 6 am, still wearing his Strom Thurmond Underoos.
Sad. Funny. Pathetic. Hilarious.
Go get ‘em, tiger!
PUBLIC OPTION: 77% Support Public Option
Wilbur, please read the thread from this link and witness your pitiful hypocrisy in vivid display.
Oliver cites a MoveOn poll about the public option that backs up his beliefs. He does none of the things you say are needed not to be called a partisan hack. Not only do you comment twice on the thread and say nothing about his citing only one poll that confirms his beliefs, but you go out of your way to back him up on it because it’s a MoveOn.org commissioned poll.
Hypocrisy, thy name is Wilbur.
I don’t know why I toy with you guys. I think it’s getting boring because it’s just too damn easy.
Oh, and on that thread, Zython then too showed up late for the meeting and again completely oblivious. With no concern whatsoever over the poll’s raw data, either. Funny that. You guys amaze.
Dennis, if Oliver is a hack and his commenters are all idiots, why are you the most prolific commenter here? And why don’t you get your own damn blog?
Not only are you boring, Flip, you must be quite bored that no one else is posting here that you are attracted to my comment ot someone else that you have to come running to me.
Went to bed early last night. I get up earlier than this every morning for an am run, Jaim and am already on my second cup cup of quite delicious Joe at this point.
You’re consistently conflicted though; when I’m not here late at night, like last night, you scoff that I ran away, as you did above. Then I get up early and respond to the A-holes who take pot-shots at me when I’m gone, and you scoff at that too.
Or did you forget that you scoffed last night. The guys that I expose for their blatant hypocrisy and lying like Wilbur and Zython and Indeed and mambo always seem to have their cute little ‘weasel-out clauses’, maybe you’ve got one too.
Oh, and I thought you went to Korea to explore new things, yet you are always here on your computer scoffing at conservative Americans who are footing the bills here till you decide it’s good enough for you to return. You could’ve explored South Korea on the internet here in America if you wanted to do that so bad.
Douche.
I didn’t say he was a hack. I asked Wilbur why he isn’t critical of anyone else for doing exactly the same thing he pee’d his panties over for me doing.
And why do I always have to correct you the English teacher for your reading comprehension mistakes? Showme where I called Oliver a hack, Jaim.
On a side note, did you wear orange bow ties and blue blazers to your college football games, too, like all your other classmates? Yeesh.
Dennis writes “The guys that I expose for their blatant hypocrisy and lying like Wilbur and Zython and Indeed and mambo always seem to have their cute little ‘weasel-out clauses’, maybe you’ve got one too.”
Seriously Dennis, get some help. Read what you wrote here: you really think your fevered internet postings make a difference, like you’re some sort of retarded version of wing-nut Robin Hood. You are absolutely obsessed with this place. You can’t get enough of it. The first thing you do in the morning is get to work monitoring somebody else’s blog.
I’m saying this in complete seriousness: Think about the weirdness and lunacy of a person who acts the way you do.
“Oh, and I thought you went to Korea to explore new things, yet you are always here on your computer scoffing at conservative Americans who are footing the bills here till you decide it’s good enough for you to return. You could’ve explored South Korea on the internet here in America if you wanted to do that so bad.”
I’ll be the first to admit that I spend too much online when I have other things I should be working on, professionally or personally. But I don’t base my life around another person’s blog, especially someone that I constantly bitch and whine about.
You’re like the scorned ten year old boy screaming about how yucky girls are, because none of them pay attention to you.
And I’m not sure what you mean by “footing the bills.” There’s no honor in suffering through the Bush Recession when I had opportunities to do other things, not to mention thing I really enjoy like travel. But the idea of an educated American living and enjoying life abroad really burns you, doesn’t it? Good.
“On a side note, did you wear orange bow ties and blue blazers to your college football games, too, like all your other classmates? Yeesh.”
Why would I wear orange when that wasn’t the school color, Sherlock?
Jaim, it’s Saturday, 8:00 in the evening for you. You were there in your flat at 4:00 pm posting, too. This is your life. It’s not mine. I got a wife and kids and a house and three cars and an acre of lawn and trees and plants and a pool to take care of and a 4 handicap golf game to work on improving.
You have the internet that you say you have to save the world with. “It’s 4 pm or so here. But I woke up at noon and haven’t left the house yet… Too busy internetting, saving the world, etc”.
Sounds like an exciting world you’re exploring there electronically. You’d rather be engaging me.
Haha. Douche.
“I got a wife and kids and a house and three cars and an acre of lawn and trees and plants and a pool to take care of and a 4 handicap golf game to work on improving.”
Which is why it’s so sad that your poor all of your bitterness and resentments onto somebody else’s blog. You obviously hate your life.
Not to mention reading my Twitter feed.
You can’t get enough of this place, or me apparently.
Creepy.
No, it doesn’t. But you admitted you ran from here because you couldn’t find work in Bush’s economy. My wife just got a job teaching in this lousy economy making 1.5x what you’re making on a provisional teaching license, with not even a smidgen of the teaching experience you have. If you were more ambitious and were willing to work at it, you could’ve found a job in ‘Bush’s Recession’ making a lot more than you are now and with the difference seen South Korea and more, all through the summer or on school breaks, and been contributing to your Dear Leader’s visions of Hope and Change; instead of doing nothing for it except from your desktop trying to “save the world.”
I really don’t think anyone needs to hear a re-hash of all this. My job in America wasn’t to my liking, so I got a better one here. If you are going to persist in constantly attacking me for being a teacher, I’ll ask you for the umpteenth time to please tell us what you do for a living. Do you even have a job?
“a provisional teaching license”
What? Why do you insist on talking about things you don’t know about or understand?
“you could’ve found a job in ‘Bush’s Recession’”
I had one. I got another one in a really interesting country. And there aren’t any wingnuts here, which is a plus.
But the day is young, Dennis. It’s already 7:30 on a Saturday in your time-zone, and you haven’t even made 20 comments on another person’s blog yet! Get to work Sparky! Make us proud!
And thank you for continuing to read my blog and Twitter feed. I can send you my Facebook profile too so you can follow me around there as well, stalker-Dennis.
I love my life. I post on a few blogs, actually. What I do here is no different than what you do, though. This place makes me laugh as hard sometimes as I do when I watch a Show like the Office or Curb Your Enthusiasm; the only difference is it’s kind of embarrassing wehn my wife asks me what I’m laughing at and I answer that I just pwned the shit out of a couple guys named “mambochicke23″ and “Wil-burrr“,a nd she just shakes here head and tells me to come to bed.
You’re not here in any kind of an activist capacity for Democrats. Nothing to further any cause except to ridicule the commenters here you disagree with. No difference, I just get bored on conservative blogs commenting against liberal loons.
“I just pwned the shit”
A legend in his own mind.
So what’s the quota for today? 50? 100?
Not sure. The day’s political events will dictate, but I do have a lot on my plate and a couple games on tv I want to check out some of.
One thing is for sure, though, I won’t be here at the computer all day like you have, and I didn’t get up at noon like you did, either. On a Saturday.
Like I said, I love my life, and I love my family, but I would buy a shotgun and give it to you with specific instructions to shoot me if I was ever reduced to hanging out in a studio apartment ALL DAY LONG on a Saturday on the computer by myself in the most beautiful time of the year like this, like you are doing today.
And Jaim, for the record, I wasn’t talking to you last evening on this thread and you stalked me.
And I wasn’t talking to you this morning either, when you decided to stalk me again.
I’m just giving it back, and now you act like the aggrieved.
Typical lib.
Actually I went out for lunch with some friends. Went to the park. Did some shopping. Thanks for asking!
If I’d spent the day trolling Free Republic you might have a point but as usual, you don’t.
Tell your wife I said hi.
I will.
You blog-whore here. Most other blogs don’t even allow that, but nevertheless, you brag about having a blog, post your link to it here, and then cry like a baby that you’re being stalked when I show what a hypocrite you are by using something you say on it to prove it.
You are the quintessential liberal cry-baby.
I’m embarrassed for you.
Now watch this drive.
Oh, I already knew you loved reading my blog. I was just taken aback that you follow me on Twitter as well. I even left you a message!
WTF, taken aback? You tweet OW and it’s on his site. That’s not twalking. You crave the attention then cry when your douchiness is exposed.
Seriously, if you went over to Seoul to find yourself and become a man, your quest so far has been in vain.
Whoa, fellas! This is turning into a dialogue…
Enough, already!
Take it from someone who knows — this is going nowhere.
Jaim is, like all liberals, blissfully unaware of his own imperfection. Dennis, you, like all conservatives, are completely mystified as to why someone in a world of trees, can’t see the forest.
But you both are like two dogs tied to a stake in the ground – destined to fight without escaping, until one surrenders. Considering that Jaim has been following me around this weblog nipping at my heels for weeks, Dennis, I suppose the man who surrenders will have to be you.
Once again, you are correct Frank.
Done.
Thanks for reminding me, Dennis, here’s what I said on that other thread (emphasis added):
MoveOn didn’t poll anybody. MoveOn commissioned SurveyUSA and SurveyUSA polled them. Survey intentionally tried to match the demographics of the wsj/nbc poll that used less accurate wording in their “do you approve…” question. About 17% of this survey pool self-identified as liberal.
Now I for one wouldn’t put a lot of stock in that 77% number. SurveyUSA uses automated surveying and that introduces a number of question marks. I do think, though, that it’s pretty good evidence that despite all the right wing lying and howling, public support for the principle of health care reform is hardly cratering, as your garden variety Limbaughs et al. would have us believe.
In other words, I was honest about the limitations of the poll, and about what we can and cannot conclude from it. Which is the opposite of what you have been on this thread.
I also notice that on that thread you were crowing about another isolated outlier poll (Rassmussen, of course) that showed Obama’s approval rating at 45%, claiming that this indicated that Obama was circling the bowl. Now, surprise surprise, you’re once again citing an outlier poll that shows Obama’s approval four points higher than the earlier poll you cherrypicked as, once again, evidence that Obama’s support is cratering (Rassmussen, by the way, is up to 47%).
Lesson, Dennis: if you want to pwn someone as a hypocrite by linking to something they said earlier, it’s always best to actually read what the person said earlier first. I do admire your tenacity, though – you’re really one of these.
Wilbur,
You are too chickenshit to even address your hypocrisy of not calling out Oliver for doing exactly the same thing you doggedly pursue and chastise me for. If you thought I was wrong, you should call him out too. If you honest feel anyone who cites a poll should also add the RCP poll of polls, then you should call everyone out who doesn’t do that. But you don’t. You just cherry-pick who you decide you want to single out.
I was wrong to say you have two standards. You don’t. You’re just a chickenshit.
As to the Rasmussen poll then and the Fox News poll now, both show his approval less than 50%. I used the Fox News poll to back my opinion that Obama was not hated, that people just don’t approve of his policies. And I stand by that opinion and I stand by the poll.
You are too chickenshit to even address your hypocrisy of not calling out Oliver for doing exactly the same thing you doggedly pursue and chastise me for.
That is because they are not the same thing, not by a long shot. In the other case, a previous WSJ poll had shown what right-wingers had interpreted as massive public opposition to the public option. Oliver presented evidence of a poll that tried to replicate the methodology of the WSJ poll but asked the public option question differently, producing vastly different results. My interpretation of that – which I copied and pasted above and which you apparently still haven’t read — was not that 77% figure was anywhere close to accurate, but that there was reason to suspect that the previous poll used biased wording of the question to produce a skewed result. This suspicion has subsequently been corroborated by a number of other polls showing majority support for a public option when it is presented as a, you know, public option rather than as “government takeover” or “government run health care”.
Contrariwise, in this case, you have trumpeted one poll the results of which you like, while ignoring numerous other polls asking the same question that show a definite trend away from the answer you like.
Long story short: Oliver and I used a single poll to draw limited conclusions that were not contradicted by other polls. You used a single poll to draw sweeping conclusions that are flatly contradicted by numerous other polls. Furbelows and cherimoyas.
But I’m afraid, Dennis, that even with that we have not begun to plumb the depths of your inanity. What was it that you think that poll proved again? Oh yeah…
Obama is not hated, but rather people in greater numbers than before do not approve of the job he’s doing.
How inane is that? Let me count the ways:
1) The 49% approval score of your poll is lower than the vast majority of other polls
2) Even if the 49% number is correct it is higher than previous polls that you have cited yourself, so “greater numbers than ever” is nonsense.
3) The issue of whether or not Obama is “hated” is not addressed by this poll. Many of those that disagree with him or think he is doing a bad job may also hate him. EVen some who think he is doing a good job may hate him. The poll is simply irrelevant to that question.
And then there’s the issue of Fox’s toolish hawking of the meaningless “would you vote for Obama” metric as if it were truly significant of something. I brought that up above as well and you’ve had nothing to say for it.
I think all the above is pretty good evidence for my previous assertion: you’re either being a tool or an ignoramus. I still don’t see any third alternative.
Wilbur, you are wrong. You’re going into a long-winded explanation to keep from admitting that you’re a hypocrite for being critical of me for not supplying enough information to make a totally objective and scientifically sound point, when you’ve never, not once, been critical of anyone else for doing the same. I invite you to give me just one example where you’ve done that. I showed you one, the first one I found when I simple put the word “polls” in Oliver’s search bar. You are nuancing your way out of it by using the argumentative tactic of verbosity that News Ref always employed, with the same ineffectiveness, too.
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This poll just out supports the Fox Poll.
President Obama’s Ratings Continue Their Fall Again This Month
Three in five Americans believe country going off on wrong track
*Cherry-picking here, as the information shows him losing support among almost all individual categories, but Obama has a -20 favorability gap among unaffiliated voters, with only 6% rating him as “excellent” while 28% rate him “poor”.
*Harris did poll on whether people would have described themselves as having “hated” President Obama.
*Raw data is not given. Porcessed data is
*This poll is given for informational purposes only and is meant for the reader to draw his or her own conclusions, but in no way is it meant to portray a definitive picture of proof positive of President Obama’s true favorability ratings at this time.
*There is no intent to crow
*This poll may be an outlier, just as the Fox Poll may be an outlier. The reader is encouraged to make their own value judgments on their own. This poll is in no way presented here as a poll that is above being critiqued, either.
You’re going into a long-winded explanation to keep from admitting that you’re a hypocrite for being critical of me for not supplying enough information to make a totally objective and scientifically sound point…
Translation: “okay okay, that poll was lousy evidence for the pont I was making but geez, you expect me to be logical? I’m a wingnut, dammit!”
when you’ve never, not once, been critical of anyone else for doing the same
I most certainly have. In the previous post you yourself cited I was far more critical and sceptical of what the poll posted by Oliver meant than you have been of the Fox poll (or any other poll that supports your prejudices). Meanwhile I’m still waiting to see the messages you have sent to Limbaugh, Malkin, etc. chiding them for their one-sided analyses, thou even-handed scourge of hypocrisy thou.
You are nuancing your way out of it by using the argumentative tactic of verbosity
Translation: “I have no substantive response to any of your substantive points”
My advice to you Dennis:
if you’re being dense, then think, Dennis, think; slow down, read carefully, consider, ruminate.
if you’re being dishonest: go play in traffic.
Still no third option that I can see.
No, that’s not the translation. The correct translation wouldn’t pass the rules of civility here, whatever those are. This argument was silly from the beginning, and it’s only getting sillier.
I didn’t cite that. I said you didn’t say word one to Oliver for his cherry-picking a poll. You didn’t and you never have. I’ve asked you if you’ve ever chided anyone for it and if so, to please list it here, because I don’t recall you ever doing it once.
If you can’t, you’re a hypocrite, no matter how much you keep try to weasel out of my proving that you are one.
The Harris Poll complements the Fox Poll. They are the most recent polls. They both show a deterioration of Obama’s favorabilities. You wrote a lot of crap and the typical childish “Translation:…..” game liberals like to play here, but you didn’t address the poll I listed that backs the poll you deride as cherry-picking.
Wilbur Translation: “Damn, I lost again.”
I said you didn’t say word one to Oliver for his cherry-picking a poll.
Boring, Dennis. I explain pretty thoroughly up above why I thought Oliver’s poll was not an instance of “cherry-picking” comparable to yours. If you’d care to address my arguments and tell me why you think they’re wrong, I’d be glad to listen. You stamping your little foot and screaming “is too! is too!” isn’t going to make it so.
I don’t recall you ever doing it once.
And I repeat: if you’ve ever been as critical or skeptical of a right-wing talking point as I was of that poll that Oliver posted, I don’t recall it either. Perhaps you can refresh my memory. What I mostly remember you doing is cheering and gloating over any right-wing distortion as long as it gave us hissy fits.
The Harris Poll complements the Fox Poll. They are the most recent polls.
Maybe you have a trend there, maybe not. Time will tell. over the past few months polls on the issue have vacillated between the 45% and 55% range, so it still isn’t evidence of a major shift against Obama and still says nothing about whether people “hate” Obama or not, so it still does little to support your original comment.
Actually, Wilbur, the James Carville’s Democracy Corps focus group study the Oliver linked to above, if you download the pdf, addresses the issue of hatred toward Obama along racial lines and makes a better case than these latest two polls do, although I still believe they are strong indicators in their own right that people don’t hate Obama as the reason for the increasing numbers of those opposed to him.
Here’s the results from the study, or what we know to be the results as presented by Carville’s firm:
The Very Separate World of Conservative Republicans
I agree wholehaertedly with the last two paragraphs. I don’t think it is Obama that is fueling the characterization of those opposed to Obama as racists who hate him for his skin color, but rather the media and the liberal blogs and you guys. It’s something I admire about him, but it’s also something I wish he’d do a much better job of dispelling the notion of. And that’s the reason I said on my very first post that I hope that talk with the kid in the video wasn’t staged.