(head spinning)

What? Are you reading the same fucking thread as the rest of us? What color is the sky on your planet?

Huh. Look at that. A wonderfully-written document, but of no bearing in any legal matters. Ever. And besides THAT, I don’t see any mention of fetuses there.

Western Europe is held up as an example of what access to contraceptive services can achieve, and the Netherlands – with just 10 abortions per 1,000 women compared to the world’s 29 per 1,000 – is held up as the gold standard.

Even the UK, which has a relatively high rate, fares well in comparison to the US, where the number of abortions is among the highest in the developed world. The institute says this rate is in part explained by inconsistencies in insurance coverage of contraceptive supplies.

In much of eastern Europe, where abortion was treated as a form of birth control, abortion rates have dropped by 50% in the past decade as contraceptives have become more widely available.

Seems pretty obvious to me what needs to be done, Frank – if you want to prevent abortion, make sure women have access to healthcare and specifically birth control.

We hold these truths to be self-evident:

That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Now I know many of you believe that the Creator doesn’t exist, or if He ever did , he left the building a few billion years. I am only quoting the men who founded the nation. Who have you got? Renquist?

How’s the weather in Sickoville today?

Good luck getting an answer to this one.

or is it just thats such a pleasing phrase to use because it lets you pretend youre the one fighting for a right instead of against one?

… yes.

Yeah, Frank. Also it doesn’t count when it comes to VCR repair, Cosmetic Surgery and Leveling your Night Elf Druid in World of Warcraft, and all for the same simple reason that it doesn’t have a goddam thing to say on the subject.

Further, what is “The Right to Life?” Who, under what authority, has given it to whom, and for what reason, or is it just thats such a pleasing phrase to use because it lets you pretend youre the one fighting for a right instead of against one?

I say it again…The decision must stay in the hands of the person who is going though it i.e the woman.

Corporations > Men > Babies > Women > Animals

Educate, baby, educate! That’s the way to reduce those abortions as close to zero as possible. Abstinence doesn’t work, ignorance doesn’t work, nor do threats or ostracism.

They’ve lost all the social issues wars, but yet they cling so tightly to them because they’ve built their entire fading political movement on wedge issues.

Interesting, Frank. You believe think a company’s existence trumps an owl’s right to life?

I wonder if you could expand upon that a bit.

What inalienable right to exist does a company have that an owl doesn’t?

Or if they both have a right to exist, what logic grants greater weight to the company than the owl when their equal rights clash?

Can we infer that you see human life as superior to all other life on the planet and thus has a greater right to exist than others?

As I implied above, are we to be concerned about STD’s smoking, overeating, anorexia, body image dysphoria, gender identity confusion in women, but not care about the side effects and / or trauma associated with abortion?

As to whether or I not I have sex with women, I don’t have sex with women who might abort their babies.

Besides which, life without sex is better than no life at all – no matter what Freud said.

And this is where I’m going to end. I am not going to revel in the festival of evil that I really want to at this moment. All I’m going to say is that statement is VERY telling, Frank. Life without sex IS no life at all.

So the women (or girls) in the situations I listed aren’t really pregnant? Good to know.

How about post-op transsexuals (female to male)? Do they get their rights , only after surgery?

Not if the Religious Right has anything to say about it.