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		<title>By: Frank DiSalle</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/03/union/#comment-182962</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank DiSalle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 14:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jaim. for you, personal attacks are always cool . It&#039; how you roll.
Intelligence, wit, substance? That&#039;s for lesser beings the great jaim.

[Note: so little self-esteem, he doesn&#039;t even spell his own name with a capital letter]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jaim. for you, personal attacks are always cool . It&#8217; how you roll.<br />
Intelligence, wit, substance? That&#8217;s for lesser beings the great jaim.</p>
<p>[Note: so little self-esteem, he doesn't even spell his own name with a capital letter]</p>
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		<title>By: jrfunkenstein</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/03/union/#comment-182923</link>
		<dc:creator>jrfunkenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 04:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Hillary would have been a better President.

Far better.&#039;

What is your evidence for that?  She is only managing to do a fair job as Secretary of State. I haven&#039;t lost confidence in her abilities, but she&#039;s kept a very low profile up until now, when she could be providing something more substantial for the administration, but she&#039;s delivered very little so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Hillary would have been a better President.</p>
<p>Far better.&#8217;</p>
<p>What is your evidence for that?  She is only managing to do a fair job as Secretary of State. I haven&#8217;t lost confidence in her abilities, but she&#8217;s kept a very low profile up until now, when she could be providing something more substantial for the administration, but she&#8217;s delivered very little so far.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyro</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/03/union/#comment-182904</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 01:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama, in concert with David Axelrod and many others, engaged in a wide-ranging, nation-wide conspiracy to &lt;b&gt;manipulate the 2008 elections&lt;/b&gt; by convincing more people to vote for him than the other guy. Can you believe that we stand for such things? In a democracy???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama, in concert with David Axelrod and many others, engaged in a wide-ranging, nation-wide conspiracy to <b>manipulate the 2008 elections</b> by convincing more people to vote for him than the other guy. Can you believe that we stand for such things? In a democracy???</p>
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		<title>By: Jaim</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/03/union/#comment-182896</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 00:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW Oliver, are personal attacks cool again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW Oliver, are personal attacks cool again?</p>
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		<title>By: Jaim</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/03/union/#comment-182895</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 00:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama used his smarts and his charisma to get more people to vote for him than for Caribou Barbie.

ZOMG OBAMA HAS MAGIC POWERS!!!  At least according to Frank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama used his smarts and his charisma to get more people to vote for him than for Caribou Barbie.</p>
<p>ZOMG OBAMA HAS MAGIC POWERS!!!  At least according to Frank.</p>
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		<title>By: Repack Rider</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/03/union/#comment-182849</link>
		<dc:creator>Repack Rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 20:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;R R , perhaps you should read the last few comments , and catch up.&lt;/i&gt;

All I saw was your assertion that Obama &quot;manipulated cyberspace to become president.&quot;  I didn&#039;t see any explanation of WTF that is supposed to mean, what methods he supposedly used used that were unavailable to others, and what your definition of &quot;manipulation&quot; is.

Sounds like you don&#039;t approve of a winning strategy that does not appear to have broken any laws or required the services of a court, because you were on the losing side, but I&#039;ll wait for your clarification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>R R , perhaps you should read the last few comments , and catch up.</i></p>
<p>All I saw was your assertion that Obama &#8220;manipulated cyberspace to become president.&#8221;  I didn&#8217;t see any explanation of WTF that is supposed to mean, what methods he supposedly used used that were unavailable to others, and what your definition of &#8220;manipulation&#8221; is.</p>
<p>Sounds like you don&#8217;t approve of a winning strategy that does not appear to have broken any laws or required the services of a court, because you were on the losing side, but I&#8217;ll wait for your clarification.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank DiSalle</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/03/union/#comment-182826</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank DiSalle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>R R , perhaps you should read the last few comments , and catch up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R R , perhaps you should read the last few comments , and catch up.</p>
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		<title>By: Repack Rider</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/03/union/#comment-182786</link>
		<dc:creator>Repack Rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I say he “manipulated cyberspace to become President”. &lt;/i&gt;

How did he do that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I say he “manipulated cyberspace to become President”. </i></p>
<p>How did he do that?</p>
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		<title>By: Amused Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/03/union/#comment-182773</link>
		<dc:creator>Amused Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL Quaker,
Perhaps you might acknowledge that I QUOTE Jaim&#039;s phrase uppity black etc. and then acknowledge the source with as Jaim opines.  But I will defer to your penchant for editing.

Amused Observer: It is not the fact that Obama is an uppity black AS JAIM OPINES that causes concern 

There all better now.  Back into your parsing mode I see.

Jaim,
Interesting to see you acknowledge your naivete regarding politics and the consequences of politician&#039;s folly.   Your viewpoint is severly limited by your youth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL Quaker,<br />
Perhaps you might acknowledge that I QUOTE Jaim&#8217;s phrase uppity black etc. and then acknowledge the source with as Jaim opines.  But I will defer to your penchant for editing.</p>
<p>Amused Observer: It is not the fact that Obama is an uppity black AS JAIM OPINES that causes concern </p>
<p>There all better now.  Back into your parsing mode I see.</p>
<p>Jaim,<br />
Interesting to see you acknowledge your naivete regarding politics and the consequences of politician&#8217;s folly.   Your viewpoint is severly limited by your youth.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank DiSalle</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/03/union/#comment-182763</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank DiSalle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;it’s cute how you try and marginalize anyone who voted for Obama as a “cultist.”&quot; 

Of course, I didn&#039;t say that. Some people have made a Cult of Obama, not everyone who voted for him. In fact, a few people, or maybe quite a more than few people, have become unhappy with him.

While I can not legitimately call him a Cult figure, you, Jaim, seem to have no difficulty labelling EVERYONE who opposes him a racist. Interesting.

&lt;i&gt;I can only guess it’s an acknowledgment of Team Obama’s masterful use of social media on the Web to help organize and execute their campaign and make their electoral victory that much more decisive – all wrapped up in a ribbon of envy and resentment.&lt;/i&gt;

Good guess. 

You say &quot;poh - tay - toe&quot;, I say he &quot;manipulated cyberspace to become President&quot;. A distinction without a difference. Perhaps the word &quot;manipulated&quot; offends? 

My bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it’s cute how you try and marginalize anyone who voted for Obama as a “cultist.”&#8221; </p>
<p>Of course, I didn&#8217;t say that. Some people have made a Cult of Obama, not everyone who voted for him. In fact, a few people, or maybe quite a more than few people, have become unhappy with him.</p>
<p>While I can not legitimately call him a Cult figure, you, Jaim, seem to have no difficulty labelling EVERYONE who opposes him a racist. Interesting.</p>
<p><i>I can only guess it’s an acknowledgment of Team Obama’s masterful use of social media on the Web to help organize and execute their campaign and make their electoral victory that much more decisive – all wrapped up in a ribbon of envy and resentment.</i></p>
<p>Good guess. </p>
<p>You say &#8220;poh &#8211; tay &#8211; toe&#8221;, I say he &#8220;manipulated cyberspace to become President&#8221;. A distinction without a difference. Perhaps the word &#8220;manipulated&#8221; offends? </p>
<p>My bad.</p>
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		<title>By: mrak</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/03/union/#comment-182752</link>
		<dc:creator>mrak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 12:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, that should be &quot;when your &lt;b&gt;side&lt;/b&gt; has no strengths of its own&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, that should be &#8220;when your <b>side</b> has no strengths of its own&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: mrak</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/03/union/#comment-182751</link>
		<dc:creator>mrak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 12:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;cite&gt;I’d still love for you to explain how Obama “manipulated cyberspace.”&lt;/cite&gt;

I did a little Googling and it only led me back here. I had expected to find it a hot topic among the right&#039;s copy-and-paste set.

Absent that, I can only guess it&#039;s an acknowledgment of Team Obama&#039;s masterful use of social media on the Web to help organize and execute their campaign and make their electoral victory that much more decisive - all wrapped up in a ribbon of envy and resentment.

Attacking one&#039;s opponents for their strengths is nothing new, of course; it&#039;s straight out of the Rove playbook.

But when your site has no strengths of its own, I suppose it takes on a renewed urgency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>I’d still love for you to explain how Obama “manipulated cyberspace.”</cite></p>
<p>I did a little Googling and it only led me back here. I had expected to find it a hot topic among the right&#8217;s copy-and-paste set.</p>
<p>Absent that, I can only guess it&#8217;s an acknowledgment of Team Obama&#8217;s masterful use of social media on the Web to help organize and execute their campaign and make their electoral victory that much more decisive &#8211; all wrapped up in a ribbon of envy and resentment.</p>
<p>Attacking one&#8217;s opponents for their strengths is nothing new, of course; it&#8217;s straight out of the Rove playbook.</p>
<p>But when your site has no strengths of its own, I suppose it takes on a renewed urgency.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaim</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/03/union/#comment-182744</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 11:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;get your own blog&quot;

Well, I have one.  And you&#039;ve visited it more than once.  But I happen to like this place and the moderator.  Unlike you, I don&#039;t make ten daily posts here whining about how much I&#039;m oppressed by this place.

That would be rather annoying and unbecoming of me, wouldn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;get your own blog&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, I have one.  And you&#8217;ve visited it more than once.  But I happen to like this place and the moderator.  Unlike you, I don&#8217;t make ten daily posts here whining about how much I&#8217;m oppressed by this place.</p>
<p>That would be rather annoying and unbecoming of me, wouldn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Jaim</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/03/union/#comment-182743</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 11:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, I&#039;m happy to have disinterested observers compare the relative merits of what I&#039;m posting and your bizarre ramblings and failed attempts at humor.  (I&#039;d still love for you to explain how Obama &quot;manipulated cyberspace.&quot;)

That said, it&#039;s cute how you try and marginalize anyone who voted for Obama as a &quot;cultist.&quot;  Fact is, by objective standards of logic and self-interest, he was a much better choice than McCain.  Did I enjoy his charisma and his appeal?  Sure, but that isn&#039;t why me and majority of voters went for him.  It was mostly out of self-interest and wanting America to recover from eight years of disastrous rule by Bush.

Seriously, think about it: 9/11, failures to even &lt;i&gt;finish&lt;/i&gt; things in Iraq or Afghanistan (WWII took how many year of American involvement to resolve, under Democratic presidents of course?), the use of torture, the worst economy since The Great Depression, and embarrassing habit of molesting other world leaders in public?

I&#039;m convinced that you guys can&#039;t fathom that a black man was simply the best choice for America, so you continue to demean his supporters by saying that they were somehow brainwashed.  When all signs indicate that -- NEWSFLASH! -- George Bush was a terrible fucking president, and John McCain was a hell of a lot closer to him than Obama was.  And thank God he lost so badly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, I&#8217;m happy to have disinterested observers compare the relative merits of what I&#8217;m posting and your bizarre ramblings and failed attempts at humor.  (I&#8217;d still love for you to explain how Obama &#8220;manipulated cyberspace.&#8221;)</p>
<p>That said, it&#8217;s cute how you try and marginalize anyone who voted for Obama as a &#8220;cultist.&#8221;  Fact is, by objective standards of logic and self-interest, he was a much better choice than McCain.  Did I enjoy his charisma and his appeal?  Sure, but that isn&#8217;t why me and majority of voters went for him.  It was mostly out of self-interest and wanting America to recover from eight years of disastrous rule by Bush.</p>
<p>Seriously, think about it: 9/11, failures to even <i>finish</i> things in Iraq or Afghanistan (WWII took how many year of American involvement to resolve, under Democratic presidents of course?), the use of torture, the worst economy since The Great Depression, and embarrassing habit of molesting other world leaders in public?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m convinced that you guys can&#8217;t fathom that a black man was simply the best choice for America, so you continue to demean his supporters by saying that they were somehow brainwashed.  When all signs indicate that &#8212; NEWSFLASH! &#8212; George Bush was a terrible fucking president, and John McCain was a hell of a lot closer to him than Obama was.  And thank God he lost so badly.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank DiSalle</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/03/union/#comment-182739</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank DiSalle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 10:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Great definition in your first post. However, I have a question for you. Does that definition apply to you, or any facet of your beliefs?&lt;/i&gt;
The definition was supplied by Merriam-Webster OnLine.

Yes, I am fanatical about freedom , liberty, and individuality.

About politicians or government? Never.

In fact, I am not really fanatical about any living individual I can think of -- except maybe my sons.

&lt;i&gt;What people in my demographic do remember are the Clinton years, when prosperity reigned and he did things like cut welfare.&lt;/i&gt;

Are you 25? That explains A LOT.
And as for your sweeping generalizations, and vague stereotypes - get your own blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Great definition in your first post. However, I have a question for you. Does that definition apply to you, or any facet of your beliefs?</i><br />
The definition was supplied by Merriam-Webster OnLine.</p>
<p>Yes, I am fanatical about freedom , liberty, and individuality.</p>
<p>About politicians or government? Never.</p>
<p>In fact, I am not really fanatical about any living individual I can think of &#8212; except maybe my sons.</p>
<p><i>What people in my demographic do remember are the Clinton years, when prosperity reigned and he did things like cut welfare.</i></p>
<p>Are you 25? That explains A LOT.<br />
And as for your sweeping generalizations, and vague stereotypes &#8211; get your own blog.</p>
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		<title>By: fafaroo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/03/union/#comment-182730</link>
		<dc:creator>fafaroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 06:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m not counting my chickens ...&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, you were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’m not counting my chickens &#8230;</i></p>
<p>Yes, you were.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaim</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/03/union/#comment-182729</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 05:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To dovetail with Gumby, there&#039;s an age issue as well.  Older Republicans tend to think that people under say, about 40 or so actually remember the Carter years, or the Kennedy and LBJ years for that matter.  What people in my demographic &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; remember are the Clinton years, when prosperity reigned and he did things like cut welfare.

But they&#039;re do damn blind.  They think boogeymen scare phrases like &quot;Socialism&quot; and &quot;liberal&quot; actually still work.  It&#039;s funny to see how out-of-touch they are.

To be more blunt, if you want bigger, more expensive, and really bad government, vote Republican.  If you really, really want 2001-2008 again, vote Republican.

If you want a moderate foreign policy that actually kept America safe (safer than on 9/11 at least), economic prosperity, and a reasonable and responsive Federal government providing certain services like Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, then vote for a Democrat like Clinton or Obama.

At the end of the day, there&#039;s a reason why the party that hates the government turns out to be really bad at running said government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To dovetail with Gumby, there&#8217;s an age issue as well.  Older Republicans tend to think that people under say, about 40 or so actually remember the Carter years, or the Kennedy and LBJ years for that matter.  What people in my demographic <i>do</i> remember are the Clinton years, when prosperity reigned and he did things like cut welfare.</p>
<p>But they&#8217;re do damn blind.  They think boogeymen scare phrases like &#8220;Socialism&#8221; and &#8220;liberal&#8221; actually still work.  It&#8217;s funny to see how out-of-touch they are.</p>
<p>To be more blunt, if you want bigger, more expensive, and really bad government, vote Republican.  If you really, really want 2001-2008 again, vote Republican.</p>
<p>If you want a moderate foreign policy that actually kept America safe (safer than on 9/11 at least), economic prosperity, and a reasonable and responsive Federal government providing certain services like Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, then vote for a Democrat like Clinton or Obama.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, there&#8217;s a reason why the party that hates the government turns out to be really bad at running said government.</p>
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		<title>By: gumby</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/03/union/#comment-182723</link>
		<dc:creator>gumby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 05:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And you, Gumby. You want restraint , you want dignity?&quot;

Yes, yes I do.  Actually what I really want is a reasoned thought out set of principles from you folks like AO who have so much more experience of the world than I do.  Please enlighten me.  (And I&#039;m flattered you&#039;re rereading my old posts!  They ARE gems, aren&#039;t they.  Admit it, gumby fanboy.)

AO spent some time trying to be eloquent above and I appreciate the effort (see, how hard is it to say something like that?), but premised it all on various straw men that he thinks represent what I think, on a cartoon caricature of bedwetting liberalism.  Do I think government owes me everything?  Do I think that only the government should provide?  Hell, no.  It&#039;s stupid to impute that sort of view on anyone.  Do I think that the government can create a framework for a more functional society, one where the market works better, where the American dream can actually come to fruition?  Hell, yes.  Does it make me a Socialist?  Hell no.  I don&#039;t think AO or Frank would know a Socialist if it made them memorize a book of slogans and forge inferior steel to make army helmets in their garage.

The problem with righties is they think liberals base their positions on sentiment and naive and unattainable notions of fairness.  That it&#039;s a moral stance rather than a practical one.  That we&#039;re all wringing our hankies at all the sadness of the world and expect government to fix everyone&#039;s boo-boos.  It ain&#039;t so, though it&#039;s sure convenient to think that because it&#039;s easier than attacking the actual positions on things.  I think that government can work well to create basic conditions that allow freedom to actually operate, that allow people to function within the market better. Do you think every other advanced nation has government intervention in health care because they&#039;re all nations of bedwetting sentimentalists, or because they saw some sort of actual benefit in that system?  Do you honestly think Canadians and Germans and Japanese and Swiss are less free than we are because of things like this?  And you call me naive?  Have you ever even left this country?  

OW -- I guess you now know better than to do something so controversial as wish the first couple a happy anniversary.  Bad, bad obamabot. At Christmas, I suggest posting a picture of a giant turd.  Fa-la-la-la.  Im sure Frank would see that as appropriate for the season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And you, Gumby. You want restraint , you want dignity?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, yes I do.  Actually what I really want is a reasoned thought out set of principles from you folks like AO who have so much more experience of the world than I do.  Please enlighten me.  (And I&#8217;m flattered you&#8217;re rereading my old posts!  They ARE gems, aren&#8217;t they.  Admit it, gumby fanboy.)</p>
<p>AO spent some time trying to be eloquent above and I appreciate the effort (see, how hard is it to say something like that?), but premised it all on various straw men that he thinks represent what I think, on a cartoon caricature of bedwetting liberalism.  Do I think government owes me everything?  Do I think that only the government should provide?  Hell, no.  It&#8217;s stupid to impute that sort of view on anyone.  Do I think that the government can create a framework for a more functional society, one where the market works better, where the American dream can actually come to fruition?  Hell, yes.  Does it make me a Socialist?  Hell no.  I don&#8217;t think AO or Frank would know a Socialist if it made them memorize a book of slogans and forge inferior steel to make army helmets in their garage.</p>
<p>The problem with righties is they think liberals base their positions on sentiment and naive and unattainable notions of fairness.  That it&#8217;s a moral stance rather than a practical one.  That we&#8217;re all wringing our hankies at all the sadness of the world and expect government to fix everyone&#8217;s boo-boos.  It ain&#8217;t so, though it&#8217;s sure convenient to think that because it&#8217;s easier than attacking the actual positions on things.  I think that government can work well to create basic conditions that allow freedom to actually operate, that allow people to function within the market better. Do you think every other advanced nation has government intervention in health care because they&#8217;re all nations of bedwetting sentimentalists, or because they saw some sort of actual benefit in that system?  Do you honestly think Canadians and Germans and Japanese and Swiss are less free than we are because of things like this?  And you call me naive?  Have you ever even left this country?  </p>
<p>OW &#8212; I guess you now know better than to do something so controversial as wish the first couple a happy anniversary.  Bad, bad obamabot. At Christmas, I suggest posting a picture of a giant turd.  Fa-la-la-la.  Im sure Frank would see that as appropriate for the season.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/10/03/union/#comment-182718</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 04:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Amused Observer: It is not the fact that Obama is an uppity black that causes concern AS JAIM OPINES&lt;/strong&gt;

Funny how both Mike and Quaker could both chose to miss that little detail about what AO said.&lt;/em&gt;

Sorry, boys. There&#039;s only one way that sentence parses. &quot;Jaim opines&quot; references and modifies &quot;that causes concern,&quot; not &quot;the fact that Obama is an uppity black.&quot;

Nice to see you out in the open with that, AO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><strong>Amused Observer: It is not the fact that Obama is an uppity black that causes concern AS JAIM OPINES</strong></p>
<p>Funny how both Mike and Quaker could both chose to miss that little detail about what AO said.</em></p>
<p>Sorry, boys. There&#8217;s only one way that sentence parses. &#8220;Jaim opines&#8221; references and modifies &#8220;that causes concern,&#8221; not &#8220;the fact that Obama is an uppity black.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nice to see you out in the open with that, AO.</p>
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		<title>By: jrfunkenstein</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 03:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;I might object that given their personal backgrounds , and current positions, they do not, and cannot represent me at all, let alone well. Thet would be petty and mean – spirited.&#039;

It&#039;s certainly never stopped you before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;I might object that given their personal backgrounds , and current positions, they do not, and cannot represent me at all, let alone well. Thet would be petty and mean – spirited.&#8217;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s certainly never stopped you before.</p>
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