Today is President Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama’s wedding anniversary. Congrats to them, they represent our nation well.
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Oh, Puleeeeze! When Pres Bush was in office, you would be hard pressed to find a liberal who ackowledged his marriage, except for those who called his wife a hit and run driver, and those who called his daughters drunks…
fanatic: Marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion
Congrats to them, they represent our nation well.
Whoa, there O-Dub, hold on with the excessive enthusiasm and intense uncritical devotion. “Congrats”? “They represent our nation well”? That’s over the top, beyond the pale, a bridge too far, and what have you. Shame on you.
Seriously, though, that’s the best photo ever.
You mean Bush’s wife didn’t hit and kill someone? And the first twins didn’t party to excess? Silly me. I must have been thinking about a different eight years.
Bush’s marriage wasn’t much of a marriage. It more or less deteriorated during their time in the WH because Junior was drinking again among other things. Laura is a Democrat and this wasn’t exactly a secret either.
How many times did you see George and Laura together smiling looking like a happy couple in the last few years? Their body langauge spoke volumes. She looks so disgusted many times, but like most wives of wingnut politicians, she knew her role and stood back and smiled.
They’re so over as a couple but Bushes dont get divorced so she’ll just stick around be a a good doormat. She practically didn’t live in the WH in the last two years.
And yes their two little daughters were exactly like Daddy, drunk, wild, irresponsible, totally entitled because of their last name. They don’t have to work a day in their lives and they know it.
Nothing say Bush family values like seeing your daughters drunk off their ass, underage, falling over each other in some Georgetown bar.
But I guess some people cannot stand the fact that Obama and his wife are a happily married couple and it shows.
Not everyone ruins their marriages because of booze.
that’s the best photo ever.
No less than the original TFJ, if my eyes don’t deceive me.
they represent our nation well.
Not in Copenhagen, they didn’t.
They represent our nation well.
“Not in Copenhagen, they didn’t.”
Sure they did. They didn’t get the hoped-for result, but they were friendly, intelligent, charismatic, respectful, and decent. In other words, they were everything Republicans haven’t been for a long time.
SF, do you speak of your parents this way whenever one of them doesn’t succeed at a particular task?
You sound like such an ungrateful brat that you probably would.
Loser wingnuts are going to bitch and complain about everything and anything Obama does or doesn’t do in the next few years, so who cares what they think anyhow?
They are so full of blind hatred for the man, they would cheer anything they think that will cast him in a negative light. Don’t they realize how juvenile and stupid they look?
Farris, then Bush sucked at least as badly, given the video of him speaking to the Olympic committee and also recommending Chicago.
Maybe Obama should have bombed some random innocent people, that would have shown the IOC who’s who!
Burn : I am fully aware of how stupid and juvenile can look when they find fault in everything a man does … See your comment above, and 99.9% of everything said by the Lefties about Pres Bush going back to the book, Shrub , and the article , Why I Hate Bush, before he was President
Not in Copenhagen, they didn’t.
Is there a brotherhood of wingnut jerks around the world currently disrespecting all the world leaders that went to Copenhagen and their country wasn’t awarded the Olympics?
Reminder, by this point in his presidency Bush had already been on vacation a month when, as we learned, a terrorist plot was looming.
Pat yourselves on the back, Farris and Frank. You found a way to troll a post about a wedding anniversary. I am genuinely impressed.
Conservatives love serial grooms from Gingrich to Beck to Limbaugh to Savage while attacking Obama
“Congrats to them, they represent our nation well.”
And how. Obama may have disappointed on the side of compromise and slowness on some fronts, or even inaction, but he is the most poised leader I’ve seen in my lifetime. Unbelievable. Honest and substantive yet always diplomatic, but blunt when he needs to be, he’s got almost perfect pitch. I would say “awesome” but that word has lost its punch. And it’s nice to have a first lady with spine, who’s more than some Stepford Wife loyalist who never ventures an opinion. Not to name names, you unnerstand.
Reminder, by this point in his presidency Bush had already been on vacation a month when, as we learned, a terrorist plot was looming.
And Commander Bunnypants has been told it was looming. The response to the CIA rep who flew down, “OK, you’ve covered you ass, you can go.” Later, Bunnypants went bass fishing. I think The Kids like to call that EPIC FAIL.
Never fucking forget.
Bush gave plenty of reasons to dislike him, but there wasn’t this massive groundswell against him right out of the gate. Oh sure, a few Kucinich types didn’t like him immediately, but they were in the tiny minority and they weren’t holding temper tantrums disguised as rallies less than 6 months after he took office, nor did they have entire ‘news’ organs supporting their cause.
It took a few years to ferment. Shit, even post 9-11, all those horrible Volvo drivers and latte drinkers gave Bush the support he needed.
Now, god forbid another terrorist attack hits the US again. You think the wingnuts will give Obama the support the way the left did for Bush?
Fuck no they won’t. Instead, they would be screaming at the top of their lungs, “It’s all Obama’s fault, see what happens when you elect a Democrat, waaaaaaaaaaaaa!”
Don’t tell me for a fucking second they wouldn’t do this.
Bush’s marriage wasn’t much of a marriage-
Have to disagree here merely because judging ones marriage when you are not apart of the process is profoundly silly. Now, you can **guess** that the marriage sucks but otherwise its just tabloid stuff in my book. Of course, I don’t remember liberals savaging Bush for having a date night with his wife. Seems to me conservatives can’t stand the image of a black man going on a date and possibly getting some in the Lincoln Bedroom:o!!!
Now, god forbid another terrorist attack hits the US again”
Actually I would guess either an armed insurrection or calls for a public stoning would be echoed in the right-wing… I mean Republican party.
“they represent our nation well.
Not in Copenhagen, they didn’t.”
Can’t win for losing eh? If he tries and it doesn’t work in his favour, then he’s a loser and a failure. If the bid was won, then it was Chicago style thuggery and slavish adoration to Oboma that tipped the scales in his favour. Adolescence at it best. It’s classic teenage household drama with you SF. Grow up.
Talking smack about Obama is one thing. Criticizing his policies is one thing. Coming on an Obama-supporter’s site and crapping on a thread about his fucking anniversary? I can’t express the contempt that makes me feel.
The most charitable thing I can think of saying is maybe Frank and SF are trying to get some of us banned by provoking us into telling them that they’re acting like stinking assholes.
Frank, SF–If you can’t say something nice (and you never do) STFU!
Canadian Bacon:
Can’t win for losing eh? If he tries and it doesn’t work in his favour, then he’s a loser and a failure. If the bid was won, then it was Chicago style thuggery and slavish adoration to Obama that tipped the scales in his favour.
Or, as they used to say in MAD Magazine, “You Can NEVER Win With a Bigot!”
Leota2: Seconded. Can I get more votes in the affirmative?
Leota, It came to my attention that Oliver was gushing over the anniversary of the Greatest, Nicest, Smartest, Most Wonderfulest, Golly — Gee, Whillikers, Don’t You Just Love Barak Obama!? — President of all time. I, for one, am a little tired of “Gee, isn’t the President great when he eats Cheerios!” “Isn’t the President great when he pets the dog!”
So, excuse me if I ruined the
Royal FamilyFirst Family’ Anniversary.f you can’t say something nice
Not the faintest hint of hypcricy there , after eight years of Chimpy, Bushitler, and The Worst President In All Of American History daily for 8 years.
Somehow Frank I don’t think the first family is letting their anniversary be ruined by what some dude on a website says. No, they look quite unconcerned.
LOL,
“he’s got almost perfect pitch”
Sarkozy of France thinks so!
Oliver, I agree wholeheartedly.
Congrats to the First Couple and I hope they have many more years to come being together.
I do want to say I am pretty surprise at all the hatred I see towards the First Lady and their kids. I mean what actually did they do to deserve so much hate?
People nowadays are just hating to be hating. It seems like the First Lady can sneeze funny and be hated for that.
Come on people get over your hate. You’re only ruining your own lives with that type of attitude.
I hope they follow this advice: http://www.allthebs.com/2009/04/how-to-keep-your-marriage-alive.html
AO is so upset he’s crying in his Freedom Fries a la Glenn Beck.
And Frank, it really took at least a year and a half before many people started hating Bush (despite all the 2000 election issues) and “the worst president ever” only became a meme after Katrina (and really started rolling once the economy hit the skids). Conservatives started hating Obama even before the inauguration, probably because he’s a fascist, maoist, communist, islamist, anti-american foreigner.
Pat yourselves on the back, Farris and Frank. You found a way to troll a post about a wedding anniversary. I am genuinely impressed.
Thanks for this. I had various replies I was mulling over writing to Frank and Farris’s posts, but you reminded me that there’s really no point. This is the anniversary of a married couple I really admire, and that’s a reason to appreciate OWillis’s post mentioning the occasion.
Yep Crusty,
Never thought I’d see the day we got outmanned by the Frenchman. Sarkozy was dumbfounded by Obama’s naivete and called bullshit on his fairy dust and unicorns view of the world. Called him out and basically called him a pussy. Sad state of affairs when the United States is acused of appeasement by the French. But after abandoning Poland, it fits.
“I, for one, am a little tired of ‘Gee, isn’t the President great when he eats Cheerios!’ ‘Isn’t the President great when he pets the dog!’”
For fuck’s sake Frank, get your own goddamn blog.
For someone who spends a good four to five hour a day monitoring this place, you don’t have the right to complain about a simple, cheerful post like this one. Again, if the food’s so bad here stop complaining about the size of the portions.
“
abandoninglistening to the Joint Chiefs and his Secretary of Defense on Poland”Simple fact is, Bush II couldn’t open his mouth in another country without embarrassing us and the office of the presidency. Obama is light-years ahead of him in terms of poise, speaking ability, and gravitas.
Christ, at least Obama doesn’t sexually molest leaders from other countries:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/20/tech/main1823983.shtml
Frank and AO:
You guys really have no sense of shame at all, do you. You know, it would back up your comments on other threads if you behaved like principled decent human beings from time to time. I don’t think you serve yourselves well with this crappiness. When you do stuff like this people replace the word “sh*thead” with your name in the tag line and stop reading. You are not doing your point of view any favors by being asses in this way.
I say this because I would really like to know what the bug up republican asses is. As of right now, all I know from the comments I’ve read here is that they are completely bugged out insane f*ckheads who have no, I repeat – NO – thought out positions on anything, nor do they have the common decency that should prevail in adult society.
Feel free to enlighten and provide nuance to the impression I have, you two.
Gumby amd Jaim, neither of you deserve explanations … Generalized posts that amount to “Frank’s a poopyhead” are useless and irrelevant.
What purpose do you think they serve?
If everything I may have said up until now, is simply “crappiness” , then what could I poosibly say that would meet your rigorous standards? “I, too, adore the President and I am wildly enthusiastic about everything he does”? How’s that for nuance?
In most cases it’s racism, pure and simple. How dare a black guy, especially an uppity one who had the gall to go to the best universities, run for president?
In the remaining cases it’s hypocrisy. When Bush spent like a drunken sailor on two failed wars they cheered him on. When Obama spends money to do important things like end the Bush Recession, he’s the worst leader ever.
This is who they are. And this is why while I appreciate and respect Oliver’s call for more decency here, it’s also kind of a lost cause. His trolls will continue to ask questions like “When are Obama’s storm-troopers coming to my grandma’s houe to kill her?” and then bitch and moan when we mock and ridicule them, and then shit their diapers and whine about how UNCIVIL THOSE MEAN OL’ LIBERALS ARE!!!
It’s another variation of the “Have you stopped beating your wife?” argument. You can’t win, and you can never win, because you are dealing with people who don’t work with facts and reality-based notions of how things work.
Liberal Me: “So if you look at economic numbers and historical trends, the Bush Recession is over but the recovery is going to be a slow one. But even the WSJ admitted the stimulus bill softened the blow a bit on unemployment numbers. And even the CBO is showing that by 2011 the US will be back to a healthy growth rate of 3-4%. This probably means Obama is a lock for 2012.”
Typical Troll: “Yes, but what about the Obama stormtroopers coming to euthanize me? And what about those internment camps he’s setting up, since he’s a Fascist-Socialist? Those two thing are exactly the same, Jonah Goldberg the eminent historian said so.”
Rinse, repeat.
Hey, getting back to the point — oh heck, is that allowed here? Well, me for political incorrectness anyway –
That picture remains, pardon the expression, awesome. Sure brings back old times, a whole year ago and more, doesn’t it?
Indeed, it is the original Terrorist Fist Bump, and we should never let the memory of that little to-do die, because it says so much.
I saw it, and being totally unhip, thought “must be some current Black thing, but what would I know? Anyway, good for them.” (BTW I also didn’t get the cultural allusion in the brushing-the shoulder thing, but it was perfect to the point being made, so So what?)
Then the Faux Pundits saw it and assumed it was some kind of sinister terrorist Black thing. Sheeeit, if I may say so. Racist? Heavens no, could not possibly say so, oh no.
It’s still the finest picture of 2008.
“what could I poosibly say that would meet your rigorous standards?”
Spare me the chip on the shoulder. You crap on something as benign as this post and then come out all hankies and tears that people are being mean to you. Well, mea culpa.
Do yourself a favor .. couldja poosibly show a little restraint? A little dignity? No? Sorry I asked.
…and generalized posts that amount to “obama’s a poopyhead” are… what, exactly? A pithy view from the right?
Gumby you and Jaim , you are both caricatures of liberals. I ask Jaim to provide a scintilla of evidence that opposition is based on racism , and he SAYS IT AGAIN, as if saying it twice is proof!
Where do you guys come from?
And you, Gumby. You want restraint , you want dignity?
Like this? :
Spare me the faux indignation — you are just another voice down the bar, as Edward R. Murrow said
Frank N. Furter:
Spare me the faux indignation — you are just another voice down the bar, as Edward R. Murrow said
Yeah, but it’s OUR bar, and we would appreciate it if you’d ST ever-loving FU.
So according to Jaim, not declaring Obamas inherent greatness both on and off the field each and every day is tantamount to racism? You guys never cease to amaze.
Nothing wrong with wishing the Obamas a happy anniv. But it was Oliver who politicized the thread by overpraising to the point of falsification. Don’t like it? Talk to the host.
Seriously,
Gumby you and the choir here have a very limited grasp of the world. The best of intentions perhaps but a limited grasp of the world. Either ignorant or malicious the viewpoint here is detached from reality. In a nation founded upon individual liberty you would sacrifice the individual for the group. It matters not who your person is but what your group is. This is the core of identity politics which is the cornerstone of Democratic strategy.
You want the government to solve your problems, you want the government to create jobs. You want the government to basically give money away to the people and causes you find worthy. Since the government has no money of it’s own the position advocated here is the redistribution of wealth, the appropriation of one man’s property to be given to another. Basically buying votes with somebody else’s money.
There is no link in your minds between increased taxation and decreased opportunity and prosperity. No link between increased power of the government and diminished power of the individual. Appeasement is what passes for foriegn policy. Intellectual dishonesty, intellectual inconsistancy and hypocrisy are the liberal stock in trade. Obscenity is what passes for clarity, petulant anger for logic.
Most peole misunderstand the old canard that eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. They think that means defense against an enemy from without. It is not, we can readily defeat threats from outside our borders. It is the well intentioned ignorance from within that is the greatest peril to this grand experiment we have been conducting for the last 250 years.
It is not the fact that Obama is an uppity black that causes concern as Jaim opines but that he is an inexperienced socialist operating way over his head. His vision of America is the antitheses of our nations founding principles.
It is useless to try to teach the blind to see, I know that. This blog is the creature of David Brock and through the Center for American Progress closely linked to the Democratic party, George Soros, and the Obama administration. The right of center viewpoints expressed by an extreme minority here are simply the nagging voices of the nation’s concience refusing to go along quietly with the movement that embodies the threat that Benjamin Franklin referred to when he quipped “A republic if you can keep it.” We fight for the Republic, tweaking the lion who would destroy it in his den. Truth to power and all of thst.
This blog is the creature of David Brock and through the Center for American Progress closely linked to the Democratic party, George Soros, and the Obama administration.
WTF? Oliver, dude! I didn’t realize you were so well-connected! Can you get my kids into the West Wing when we visit DC this January??
Congratulations to the Obamas on their 17th wedding anniversary.
Perfect post for the AO manifesto. It demonstrates all the intelligence and depth of a drunken three way with Grover Norquist, Ann Coulter, and the corpse of Ayn Rand and can be summed up in two words (cue Frankenstein voice) “taxes bad!!”.
It is not the fact that Obama is an uppity black that causes concern as Jaim opines but that he is an inexperienced socialist operating way over his head. His vision of America is the antitheses of our nations founding principles.
Wow. Just…wow. I’ve rarely seen historical ignorance, political cluelessness, and racism so neatly compressed. Well done, AO, well done. That it’s immediately followed by It is useless to try to teach the blind to see, I know that moves your screed into the hall of fame for obtuse projection. I’m truly impressed. You’ve demonstrated, yet again, that conservatives don’t understand anything about America or its founding principles. Had you been alive during the American Revolution, you would have called for George Washington to be hanged.
This is the first presidential couple to actually be in love and not be cheating. Wonderful for the youth of our country to see that marriage really CAN work and be happy.
Oliver, this is my first visit to your blog and I absolutely love it. Thank you for all of your years of hard work. I would like to talk to you about an interview with you to post on my political blog at truthdaily.com
Please contact me if you would find this acceptable.
Denise
I’ll bet you Farris, AO et.al. will be among the first in line the day the Palin bitch’s book comes out, and will be even more effusive in their praise of it than OW was of the Obamas’ anniversary.
I’ll take that bet …
Mwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
No less than the original TFJ, if my eyes don’t deceive me.
Right you are, Parthy! That’s the one that started it all!
This is the first presidential couple to actually be in love and not be cheating.
Which category do the Bushes fall into: Not in love or Cheaters?
Where did you get your information?
More importantly, are you saying that of all our married Presidents — let me repeat that: Are you saying that of all our married Presidents, either the couple was not in love, or one of them was cheating?
Please tell me you were making that up… Please ?
Wow. Just…wow. I’ve rarely seen historical ignorance, political cluelessness, and racism so neatly compressed.
Rarely have I ever seen so devastating a critique leveled with zero support, zero documentation, zero evidence, and zero analysis.
“You are wrong, because I say so.”
That’s what passes for liberal academic rigor.
What’s the wager, Randy? Can I just take your money now?
It is not the fact that Obama is an uppity black that causes concern
You’re saying that’s what he is, but it’s not the reason for your concern? Well done, AO! Your pointy hood is slipping, dude.
Given the Copenhagen debacle, can we officially label this gang as overconfident?
Hillary would have been a better President.
Far better.
Jaim: In most cases it’s racism, pure and simple. How dare a black guy, especially an uppity one who had the gall to go to the best universities, run for president?
Amused Observer: It is not the fact that Obama is an uppity black that causes concern AS JAIM OPINES
Funny how both Mike and Quaker could both chose to miss that little detail about what AO said. It’s almost as if you had an agenda or something.
And Jaim? In MOST cases? Too funny. Perhaps the IOC is racist too.
I am happy that we have a polar debate going on. I think that having two powerful sides has been and will be the key to American success on the world stage. However, it gets a little old when EVERY statement is a polar debate. Neither side has the monopoly on being ridiculous…..
Wow- just read that terrible editing job on my part. Oh well- I think you get the point. chose=choose
Yeah, but it’s OUR bar, and we would appreciate it if you’d ST ever-loving FU.
Actually, no; it is not “your” bar, even collectively. If Oliver allows me to comment, then I am allowed to comment.
On another level, your wish that I keep silent does not suggest that what I say is untrue, but rather that you don’t want to hear it. That is not a good reason for silence.
All the perjoratives, and sarcasm , and demands for silence, can be translated as , “We have nothing to say, except that you should say nothing.”
Wow who knew that a post wishing a couple happy wedding anniversary could be so heated.
I would think that people who are on the right would have no problem with this post since the couple is in a committed heterosexual marriage, and as Oliver said “they represent our nation well”. Now were is the disagreement?
Isn’t this the kind of image the right wants the world to see the United States to portray?
What exactly is so wrong about this post that people are so heated about?
Quaker,
The only thing slipping is your technique. You once had a real gift for parsing a paragraph and moving the goalposts. Now all you can muster is posting quotes out of context and trying for a gotcha. Really you can do better.
Mike,
Obviously American history is not your strong point.
I am happy that we have a polar debate going on.
Yes. There’s nothing as valuable as:
Owillis: “Today is the anniversary of Barack and Michelle Obama.”
Right-wing-nutbars: “That SUCKS! Obama sucks! Socialist uppity whore failure!”
Everyone else: …!
as you said, CJ, there is nothing wrong with the President and his wife celebrating their anniversary, but their very existence is not evidence that they “represent our nation well.”
I might object that given their personal backgrounds , and current positions, they do not, and cannot represent me at all, let alone well. Thet would be petty and mean – spirited.
Compare that to the gushing aand oohing and aahing of other posters, and the comment that they are the first Presidential couple in history that was in love, where neither of them was cheating.
I can’t speak for others , but my comment referred only to the Idolatry of the Presidency, the Cult of Personality that seeks to make a demigod of a man from Chicago, who manipulated cyberspace to become President, and is no doubt already doomed to one term, if he can make it that far without a breakdown.
“the day the Palin bitch’s book comes out, and will be even more effusive in their praise of it than OW was of the Obamas’ anniversary.”
Charming as always Randy. You obviously have a lot of class. Is this the spot where I am supposed to act like a typical left wing liberal and slam Mrs. Obama, call her course names, sexulize her children and generally drag her through the mud? You know tit for tat and all that sort of thing.
fanatic: Marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion
A good description of Bush’s “base.”
“I might object that given their personal backgrounds , and current positions, they do not, and cannot represent me at all, let alone well.”
He’s your president and will be for another seven years. Get used to it.
And seriously, get your own damn blog.
“who manipulated cyberspace to become President”
Wut?
I might object that given their personal backgrounds , and current positions, they do not, and cannot represent me at all, let alone well.
Because of Obama’s background and his positions on the issues, he actually can represent me very well. We actually had a contest to determine whose personal backgrounds and positions were considered better at representing the country. Most of the country agreed with my take on Obama, and he won.
On the other hand, Frank, I can understand how you might find Obama out of touch with you.
@Frank DiSalle- Well that’s your opinion that the Obamas don’t “represent our nation well” because my opinion they do. I actually felt that the Bushes didn’t represent our nation well. They were too detach from everyday Americans and in public they seem unaffectionate with each other.
“manipulated cyberspace to become President”, Wow you really believe that? You make me laugh. Are you a comedian?
Say Jaim,
You do understand that back home, the place where you grew up but can’t make a living, that the president is elected for a 4 year term and then he has to face the voters again. His core supporters are going to be a little weary, the middle is going to be disillusioned and the opposition is going to be fired up. Perhaps you might be better off not counting your chickens yet.
Perhaps you might be better off not counting your chickens yet.
Thank you, AO. It’s so much easier for us when you supply the refutation to your argument in the very same post.
@ all,
As a person who has hijacked a thread before, I am not going to be a hypcrite and say that anyone needs to stay on target. However, all of the things that are on here pretty much have nothing to do with the aim of Oliver’s post.
I think it is wrong to bring up Laura Bush’s car accident. What does that accomplish? Does that have anything to do with politics. I think Barak Obama was right when he said that Sarah Palin’s family should be off limits. Equally as he said people needed to lay off his wife.
The Bush daughters were wild, boisterous, and drank alot. Not unlike millions of other college-aged girls. Again, I think that is off limits to a political debate.
Frank,
Great definition in your first post. However, I have a question for you. Does that definition apply to you, or any facet of your beliefs?
LOL Fafaroo,
I’m not counting my chickens yet but I am modestly optimistic that Obama may be a 1 termer. Holding the middle is the key to winning elections in this country. The middle who voted for Obama in the last election didn’t know what they were getting. They will have a better idea next time. Will it be enough to rescue the Republic? Maybe yes, maybe no.
‘If everything I may have said up until now, is simply “crappiness” , then what could I poosibly say that would meet your rigorous standards? “
How about something that isn’t either full of shit, hatred or negativity?
‘Don’t like it? Talk to the host.’
Don’t like it? Hit the fucking road.
“You do understand that back home, the place where you grew up but can’t make a living”
Pretty sure Oliver put the ixnay on personal attacks. Enjoy your time off, AO.
‘It is not the fact that Obama is an uppity black that causes concern as Jaim opines but that he is an inexperienced socialist operating way over his head. His vision of America is the antitheses of our nations founding principles.’
And you’re calling Liberals detached from reality?
That’s rich.
‘Actually, no; it is not “your” bar, even collectively. If Oliver allows me to comment, then I am allowed to comment.’
It’a Liberal blog, so everyone can comment; not that you’re welcome to denigrate the vast majority of people, including the host, who hold a different viewpoint than yourself. You know, one based on facts and reality.
But have at it; you’re obviously the life of any party the way you spread sunshine around.
‘What exactly is so wrong about this post that people are so heated about?’
It’s clearly not advocating invading and occupying countries that pose no threat to the U.S.
Duh.
‘I might object that given their personal backgrounds , and current positions, they do not, and cannot represent me at all, let alone well. Thet would be petty and mean – spirited.’
It’s certainly never stopped you before.
Amused Observer: It is not the fact that Obama is an uppity black that causes concern AS JAIM OPINES
Funny how both Mike and Quaker could both chose to miss that little detail about what AO said.
Sorry, boys. There’s only one way that sentence parses. “Jaim opines” references and modifies “that causes concern,” not “the fact that Obama is an uppity black.”
Nice to see you out in the open with that, AO.
“And you, Gumby. You want restraint , you want dignity?”
Yes, yes I do. Actually what I really want is a reasoned thought out set of principles from you folks like AO who have so much more experience of the world than I do. Please enlighten me. (And I’m flattered you’re rereading my old posts! They ARE gems, aren’t they. Admit it, gumby fanboy.)
AO spent some time trying to be eloquent above and I appreciate the effort (see, how hard is it to say something like that?), but premised it all on various straw men that he thinks represent what I think, on a cartoon caricature of bedwetting liberalism. Do I think government owes me everything? Do I think that only the government should provide? Hell, no. It’s stupid to impute that sort of view on anyone. Do I think that the government can create a framework for a more functional society, one where the market works better, where the American dream can actually come to fruition? Hell, yes. Does it make me a Socialist? Hell no. I don’t think AO or Frank would know a Socialist if it made them memorize a book of slogans and forge inferior steel to make army helmets in their garage.
The problem with righties is they think liberals base their positions on sentiment and naive and unattainable notions of fairness. That it’s a moral stance rather than a practical one. That we’re all wringing our hankies at all the sadness of the world and expect government to fix everyone’s boo-boos. It ain’t so, though it’s sure convenient to think that because it’s easier than attacking the actual positions on things. I think that government can work well to create basic conditions that allow freedom to actually operate, that allow people to function within the market better. Do you think every other advanced nation has government intervention in health care because they’re all nations of bedwetting sentimentalists, or because they saw some sort of actual benefit in that system? Do you honestly think Canadians and Germans and Japanese and Swiss are less free than we are because of things like this? And you call me naive? Have you ever even left this country?
OW — I guess you now know better than to do something so controversial as wish the first couple a happy anniversary. Bad, bad obamabot. At Christmas, I suggest posting a picture of a giant turd. Fa-la-la-la. Im sure Frank would see that as appropriate for the season.
To dovetail with Gumby, there’s an age issue as well. Older Republicans tend to think that people under say, about 40 or so actually remember the Carter years, or the Kennedy and LBJ years for that matter. What people in my demographic do remember are the Clinton years, when prosperity reigned and he did things like cut welfare.
But they’re do damn blind. They think boogeymen scare phrases like “Socialism” and “liberal” actually still work. It’s funny to see how out-of-touch they are.
To be more blunt, if you want bigger, more expensive, and really bad government, vote Republican. If you really, really want 2001-2008 again, vote Republican.
If you want a moderate foreign policy that actually kept America safe (safer than on 9/11 at least), economic prosperity, and a reasonable and responsive Federal government providing certain services like Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, then vote for a Democrat like Clinton or Obama.
At the end of the day, there’s a reason why the party that hates the government turns out to be really bad at running said government.
I’m not counting my chickens …
Yes, you were.
Great definition in your first post. However, I have a question for you. Does that definition apply to you, or any facet of your beliefs?
The definition was supplied by Merriam-Webster OnLine.
Yes, I am fanatical about freedom , liberty, and individuality.
About politicians or government? Never.
In fact, I am not really fanatical about any living individual I can think of — except maybe my sons.
What people in my demographic do remember are the Clinton years, when prosperity reigned and he did things like cut welfare.
Are you 25? That explains A LOT.
And as for your sweeping generalizations, and vague stereotypes – get your own blog.
Frank, I’m happy to have disinterested observers compare the relative merits of what I’m posting and your bizarre ramblings and failed attempts at humor. (I’d still love for you to explain how Obama “manipulated cyberspace.”)
That said, it’s cute how you try and marginalize anyone who voted for Obama as a “cultist.” Fact is, by objective standards of logic and self-interest, he was a much better choice than McCain. Did I enjoy his charisma and his appeal? Sure, but that isn’t why me and majority of voters went for him. It was mostly out of self-interest and wanting America to recover from eight years of disastrous rule by Bush.
Seriously, think about it: 9/11, failures to even finish things in Iraq or Afghanistan (WWII took how many year of American involvement to resolve, under Democratic presidents of course?), the use of torture, the worst economy since The Great Depression, and embarrassing habit of molesting other world leaders in public?
I’m convinced that you guys can’t fathom that a black man was simply the best choice for America, so you continue to demean his supporters by saying that they were somehow brainwashed. When all signs indicate that — NEWSFLASH! — George Bush was a terrible fucking president, and John McCain was a hell of a lot closer to him than Obama was. And thank God he lost so badly.
“get your own blog”
Well, I have one. And you’ve visited it more than once. But I happen to like this place and the moderator. Unlike you, I don’t make ten daily posts here whining about how much I’m oppressed by this place.
That would be rather annoying and unbecoming of me, wouldn’t it?
I’d still love for you to explain how Obama “manipulated cyberspace.”
I did a little Googling and it only led me back here. I had expected to find it a hot topic among the right’s copy-and-paste set.
Absent that, I can only guess it’s an acknowledgment of Team Obama’s masterful use of social media on the Web to help organize and execute their campaign and make their electoral victory that much more decisive – all wrapped up in a ribbon of envy and resentment.
Attacking one’s opponents for their strengths is nothing new, of course; it’s straight out of the Rove playbook.
But when your site has no strengths of its own, I suppose it takes on a renewed urgency.
Sorry, that should be “when your side has no strengths of its own”.
“it’s cute how you try and marginalize anyone who voted for Obama as a “cultist.””
Of course, I didn’t say that. Some people have made a Cult of Obama, not everyone who voted for him. In fact, a few people, or maybe quite a more than few people, have become unhappy with him.
While I can not legitimately call him a Cult figure, you, Jaim, seem to have no difficulty labelling EVERYONE who opposes him a racist. Interesting.
I can only guess it’s an acknowledgment of Team Obama’s masterful use of social media on the Web to help organize and execute their campaign and make their electoral victory that much more decisive – all wrapped up in a ribbon of envy and resentment.
Good guess.
You say “poh – tay – toe”, I say he “manipulated cyberspace to become President”. A distinction without a difference. Perhaps the word “manipulated” offends?
My bad.
LOL Quaker,
Perhaps you might acknowledge that I QUOTE Jaim’s phrase uppity black etc. and then acknowledge the source with as Jaim opines. But I will defer to your penchant for editing.
Amused Observer: It is not the fact that Obama is an uppity black AS JAIM OPINES that causes concern
There all better now. Back into your parsing mode I see.
Jaim,
Interesting to see you acknowledge your naivete regarding politics and the consequences of politician’s folly. Your viewpoint is severly limited by your youth.
I say he “manipulated cyberspace to become President”.
How did he do that?
R R , perhaps you should read the last few comments , and catch up.
R R , perhaps you should read the last few comments , and catch up.
All I saw was your assertion that Obama “manipulated cyberspace to become president.” I didn’t see any explanation of WTF that is supposed to mean, what methods he supposedly used used that were unavailable to others, and what your definition of “manipulation” is.
Sounds like you don’t approve of a winning strategy that does not appear to have broken any laws or required the services of a court, because you were on the losing side, but I’ll wait for your clarification.
Obama used his smarts and his charisma to get more people to vote for him than for Caribou Barbie.
ZOMG OBAMA HAS MAGIC POWERS!!! At least according to Frank.
BTW Oliver, are personal attacks cool again?
Obama, in concert with David Axelrod and many others, engaged in a wide-ranging, nation-wide conspiracy to manipulate the 2008 elections by convincing more people to vote for him than the other guy. Can you believe that we stand for such things? In a democracy???
‘Hillary would have been a better President.
Far better.’
What is your evidence for that? She is only managing to do a fair job as Secretary of State. I haven’t lost confidence in her abilities, but she’s kept a very low profile up until now, when she could be providing something more substantial for the administration, but she’s delivered very little so far.
jaim. for you, personal attacks are always cool . It’ how you roll.
Intelligence, wit, substance? That’s for lesser beings the great jaim.
[Note: so little self-esteem, he doesn't even spell his own name with a capital letter]