Oh no, someone in Washington told the truth again. This time its Alan Grayson. And the Republicans are VEWWY ANGWY! Of course, the MSM is taking the GOP’s baton of bitchery and running with it.
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September 30th, 2009
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Haw! There you go. That’s the one I’m talking about.
Apparently the Republicans who are all upset about this think we’ve already forgotten all the ranting about “death panels” and “pulling the plug on grandma.”
Do they really think we’re that stupid?
“The Far Side”
I like that.
Time for pushing back.
No, but you’re confusing the hell out of us.
Are you for this kind of behavior or not?
Are you for this kind of behavior or not?
What? Calling out stupidity? Pointing out that the Republican Health Care plan they were all waving during the President’s speech was blank?
Hell, yeah.
Are you for this kind of behavior or not?
I’m for calling out somebody if they say or endorse something awful and can’t apologize when called on it.
Example:
or
Tom Price (R-GA) was threatening a sternly-worded resolution. As of this afternoon, he chickened out.
Are you for this kind of behavior or not?
Um… yes, I am.
No, but you’re confusing the hell out of us.
For the sake of argument, I’ll accept that you actually can’t tell the difference. Ever helpful, I shall expound:
Death panels–Entirely made up. The Republican assertion was that the current health care reform proposal would put government officials in charge of deciding who gets what treatments. This conservative fantasy has been shown to be false many times over.
“Die Quickly”–An actual result if we keep our current system in which insurance company executives decide who gets treatment. See Young, Ms. Kimberly.
I am, for the record, not “in favor” of this kind of behavior… but I am also not for unilateral verbal disarmament either. If one side is talking like “adoption of this funding change under the resolution would lead to a cost saving of 34.2 billion under the projection of the Congression Budget office even with very conservative growth estimates…”, and the other is “YOU’RE GOING TO KILL MY GRANDMOTHER! YOU ARE UNDERMINING THE FOUNDATION OF LIBERTY! YOU’RE A GODLESS COMMUNIST NAZI!” well, one side is going to be featured on the evening news a lot more than the other. And that side is going to be able to drum its message into the ears of the proles a lot more, regardless of how crazy it is. It’s the unfortunate but classic arms race. If you don’t want to get buried, then if your opponent is deploying WMDs (whether actual or rhetorical) then you better hurry your ass up and do the same.
Ok, Quibs. Can you point me to the provision in any Republican’s proposal that states those two words or has anything to do with encouraging or hoping that anyone “Dies Quickly”?
Doing nothing, leaving it up to insurance companies = “dies quickly” and thats the GOP “solution”.
Can you point me to the provision in any Republican’s proposal that states those two words or has anything to do with encouraging or hoping that anyone “Dies Quickly”?
Can I point you to two hard copy ink-on-paper words? Of course not. The GOP leadership has been putting “the finishing touches” on their health care proposal for the last 100+ days since they first promised it. Doesn’t really matter. The whole idea of a written plan from the GOP leadership is a complete fiction anyway.
Their real plan was unashamedly revealed by Mr. DeMint back when the debate began: Defeat Obama, whatever the consequences. The GOP is perfectly willing to keep the broken system we have. In one interview after another, GOP leadership keeps calling for compromise and refusing to commit to supporting a bill that contains compromises.
Can I point to the results of the GOP’s plan to derail any and all attempts at reform? Already done.
I watched ‘Sicko’ recently. One of the special features was the story of a Texas woman with cancer who applied for treatment at M. D. Anderson Hospital in Houston. Since she didn’t have insurance, she was told she would have to make a downpayment of something like $35,000. She was later told that she might qualify for a 50% discount (still leaving a sizeable amount). Her friends at work held a fundraiser for her. When she returned to Anderson to make a payment, she was told the fundraising money was ‘income.’ And since she had income, no discount. I don’t know what’s happened to her.
Another story featured a man (also from Texas, I believe) who either didn’t have coverage or maxed his coverage (don’t remember). In any event, he ran out of money for his cancer treatments and died.
My brother has worked at Anderson for 35 years, and I thought I remembered him telling me that any Texas resident would be treated regardless of coverage. He said that was true until the 1980s when the policy was dropped. He was deadset against the change but was told it was either that or go out of business.
I haven’t kept up with this like I should. But what are Republicans preposing that would prevent cases like this? I don’t think anyone is hoping for people to die. But leaving the status quo in place is going to result in (possibly) preventable deaths, whether ‘encouraged’ or not.
And I’ve seen social agencies jerk clients around long enough that they died before they could receive the benefits they were seeking. So public providers aren’t spotless either.
Can you point me to the provision in any Republican’s proposal that states those two words or has anything to do with encouraging or hoping that anyone “Dies Quickly”?
Please. Just. Shoot. Me.
Can you point me to the provision in any Democrat’s proposal that states those two words or has anything to do with encouraging “Death Panels”?
Fixed. HTH.
Ever helpful, I shall expound:
Such a samaritan.
Ok, Quibs. Can you point me to the provision in any Republican’s proposal that states those two words or has anything to do with encouraging or hoping that anyone “Dies Quickly”?
That’s just it, Denny. The GOP have no plan.
Chris Christie thinks it’s cool to deny mammograms. This is how the cons roll
I was hoping that would bring you out of your all-day lurker status, fafaroo. Do you remember your two-week straight Sarah Palin bender on ‘nothing in the House bill language that says anything about “death panels” that you wouldn’t let go of?
“Dennis, could you please point me to any language in the House bill that describes ‘death panels’ or ‘killing grandma’?”
“Dennis, what is there that has anything to do with “death panels” and “killing grandma”?
“Dennis, are you just making that up?”
Well, fafaroo and Quibs….your turns.
Two full weeks, fafaroo.
Now everything’s just groovy when a Dem does it.
Yoi and double yoi.
So Grayson’s a liar, Duros?
Why would people here be cheering him on, then?
Confusing.
“Dennis, could you please point me to any language in the House bill that describes ‘death panels’ or ‘killing grandma’?”
“Dennis, what is there that has anything to do with “death panels” and “killing grandma”?
“Dennis, are you just making that up?”
I’m still waiting on “the tenets of the Laffer Curve.” And other stuff.
So Grayson’s a liar, Duros?
He’s not. See above. The GOP plan is: “Defeat Obama.” If they succeed, the outcome for the uninsured is not in question.
So Grayson’s a liar, Duros?
Could I have that gun when you’re done with it fafaroo?
You’re still stalking, Indeed. And getting a pass on it.
And get used to that waiting, too, my friend.
You’re still stalking, Indeed. And getting a pass on it.
And someone named Jason keeps coming back anyway. Or so I’m told.
O-Dub nailed this one. As anyone can see from this here thread, Dittoheads are indeed vewwy vewwy upset at Alan Grayson for telling the truth.
By the way, does this comment make me look fat? Or like I might need to visit a dermatologist? I wouldn’t want to somehow invalidate my comment by a poor appearance. You know, like that David Weigel.
Grayson is a confirmed nutcase.
Like crack cocaine, it might make you feel good to hear him and his craziness, but he’s not helping Dems and he’s not helping Obamacare.
Keep smoking the pipe, though.
I highly recommend Dennis’ link so you all can see what sort of deranged, maniacal nut case Grayson is.
Meanwhile, back on topic, the GOP health care plan is: “Defeat Obama” whatever the cost to the country.
I see Dennis has taken on the SaveFarris mantle of linking to things that don’t say at all what he implies they say. Well done, grasshopper!
There you go Quaker: definining patriotism as “agreeing with Obama”.
Did it ever occur to you that it’s possible Obama’s (oops, sorry. Forgot that Obama DOESN’T ACTUALLY HAVE A PLAN) Pelosi & Reid’s plan will actually make health care worse? It’s not like the Federal Government has a sterling track record in this area.
Republicans are actually trying to help Americans by stopping this abortion of a bill. And the American public overwhelmingly agrees. No wonder your side is so desperate trying to rush this through before the November elections, when it will become painfully obvious that Obama has lost the confidence of the American public.
I highly recommend Dennis’ link so you all can see what sort of deranged, maniacal nut case Grayson is.
Wait. Lemme guess. Grayson’s fat and has bad skin? Like David Weigel? Is that it? Because that’s unforgivable. I’m funny that way.
Hmm…I wonder if lefties should take advice from Dittohead Trolls with a political track record of FAIL. Thinking…thinking…
Republicans are actually trying to help
Americanstheir well-heeled patrons, The Medical Industrial Complex, by stopping thisabortion of abill.Better now.
And the American public overwhelmingly agrees.
Got a link for that which will prove your claim correct? Overwhelmingly? Really? Evidence?
No wonder your side is so desperate trying to…
Desperate? “Death Panels! Socialism! Hitler! Water the Tree of Liberty if you know what I mean! We’re not armed…this time!” Desperate like that?
Grayson is a confirmed nutcase.
Oh my fucking God, I am soooo glad I clicked that link. That shit is CRAZY!!!! I mean, how’d he get elected? Didn’t the voters KNOW? OMG, I cannot believe it… I mean, that’s certifiable. What a nutbag. Holocaust deniers and moon hoaxers and birthers have nothing on this guy. What a psycho. He should be removed from office and put in a psychiatric institute immediately, for the good of himself, his constituents, and the country.
I mean, seriously. Wow.
Republicans are actually trying to help Americans by stopping this abortion of a bill. And the American public overwhelmingly agrees. No wonder your side is so desperate trying to rush this through before the November elections, when it will become painfully obvious that Obama has lost the confidence of the American public.
Yep. The Republicans are trying to help Americans by preventing 40 million of them from being able to get health coverage. Good call.
The American public does not overwhelmingly agree. And even if they did, they STILL wouldn’t be correct. Mainly because the tactics used to sway their opinion against it have been unethical, lying horseshit spewed from the mouths of conservative assclowns. If the right was at all honest about this plan, the American public would be overwhelmingly in support of it.
Grayson is right. The Republicans have no plan, and if they have their way, thousands more every year will die than need to. The Republicans are completely and utterly without any morals or principles. Unless you want to say, “Defeat Obama” is a principle to live by.
Fucking pathetic.
Essentially it is a put up or shut up moment. If Republican’s have nothing constructive to add to this debate, STFU or get with the program. I know Republican’s are good at attacking thier opponents but you don’t get elected to yell liar or they are going to kill granny. Look it up in the job description.
Essentially it is a put up or shut up moment.
One would thinks so. But The Village won’t stand for that.
I know Republican’s are good at attacking thier opponents…
Indeed. And that’s it. That’s the list.
OBAMA VOTER ANN ALTHOUSE: Why Slam Those Of Us With Great Health Care Benefits? We worked for it. We earned it. And we’re the middle-class people Obama said he wasn’t going to hurt.
Otherwise known, I believe, as “suckers.”
–Instapundit
How is it fair to change the rules on us after we worked so hard to get what we have? The Democrats, including Obama, got elected by saying “middle class” over and over again. They never said they were going to provide for the less fortunate at our expense, and I don’t see how they would have gotten elected if they had.….
Read the whole thing.
Suckers. Heh.
Indeed.
Ann Althouse? Really? What, Megan McArdle was unavailable?
I stopped believing it where althouse said she voted for Obama.
Forget the neanderthal Republicans. What we need are some Democrats who will do the right thing for the American people and stop worrying about losing the next election. How the hell did they ever get Medicare pushed through?
Shorter Althouse (+ Dennis, by proxy): Who cares if over 40,000 Americans die each year for lack of health insurance? I got mine, and you better not touch mine!
Wow, Dennis is actually dumb enough to cite Althouse as a speaker for the pro-Obama types.
When I think about the things I’ve “worked so hard to have,” I think of things like my great job, my good salary, my ability to travel extensively, my nice computers and clothes, and the great places in great cities I’ve been privileged to live in. When it comes to my health insurance, however, I feel that what I have is what pretty much everyone should have, rather than something that I supposedly crawled my way up to get and want to make sure that no one else can get without “earning” it the same way I did.
Republicans are actually trying to help Americans by stopping this abortion of a bill
Bull. Republicans did nothing to make universal health coverage a reality in America. Nothing. The past 15 years of Republicans’ lives went down the tubes because they made no effort to do anything about the issue and they have acted as impediments to the making the necessary changes now. They have shown themselves to be a waste of oxygen on this issue, ignoring the problems of Americans who get consistently screwed by the current system. They were in control of congress for 12 years. They made no useful contributions. They deserve the derision they get. The Republican believe system has shown itself to be absolutely worthless, and those espousing it are just demonstrating their continued uselessness to the American people. If they had any worthwhile health care ideas, they would have contributed some when they had the chance. They did not, and instead decided to dedicate their lives to the support of torture and getting us bogged down in stupid wars. They deserve nothing but our contempt.
You’ve got to love Republicans who stood by while in control of the presidency and congress while people were dying because of lack of access to health care and did nothing about it. Why these people think they have any useful contributions to make on the issue now is anyone’s guess. Republicans failed in their lives to address this issue. Their reward now should be to be ignored. They don’t have the ability to deal with the issue, which is why the adults have taken the initiative from these worthless lazy Republican slugs.
Well, fafaroo and Quibs….your turns.
Dennis, when you finally admit that you fully supported, promoted and cheered the victory of an out right lie, we’ll talk.
There you go Quaker: definining patriotism as “agreeing with Obama”.
What? I did? Where?
Oh, you mean this?
That’s not my definition, friend. That’s Mr. DeMint speaking right there.
plan will actually make health care worse? It’s not like the Federal Government has a sterling track record in this area.
No, and for a simple reason.
1. Conservatives think it will fail.
2. Conservatives are always wrong.
3. Ergo, it will not fail.
Grayson is a confirmed nutcase.
Wow…worker benefits, that certainly makes him loco. Dennis, just say “I hate the lower class” and get it over with.
Wow, some of the countries I’ve lived in have had 4 weeks or more legally mandated vacation. The citizens are healthier and better off because of it. But Dennis thinks that even one week makes the proponent psycho. I’d hate to live in Dennis’ world.
EXACTLY what you guys are doing.
And proud of it, too.
Jaim, Oliver said to quit it and he said this time he meant it.
I’d rather you be here as an easy target and the best possible example there is of liberal hypocrisy and Roman Polanski-type ‘flee the country when things get tough’ liberalism. So please, don’t tempt fate.
More to the point, try debating Althouse on the merits. She’s much smarter than the combined IQ’s of every person here so far who’s thrown their ad hom’s at her. Taxes are going up on the middle class. Obama said they wouldn’t to get elected. You never really believed that to begin with so you’re not at all bothered by that inconvenient truth.
Extra points for the completely unnecessary visual aids. Here’s hoping this guy keeps bringing the shrill.
Not much of an argument, MOH. Why does he stop at one week? Why does he start at 100 employees?
I think requiring everyone physically able to exercise one hour every day would make people healthier and better off because of it, too. Should Grayson propose corporate-paid mandatory exercise along with paid vacation time, even though it won’t benefit DisneyWorld directly like his proposal does?
Grayson is a confirmed nutcase.
Is there some petition somewhere where I can voice my support for this cah-razy bill?
It’s like the Olympics in Chicago, Parthy. Sounds great at first, till you start analyzing it and doing the numbers. “Hey, mandatory paid vacations! Cool!”
He’s a huckster, Parthy. Yes, a nutcase showman, complete with the unnecessary visual aids. Everything you guys hate about Glenn Beck, with none of the things that make Glenn Beck hugely popular.
Shorter Althouse (+ Dennis, by proxy): Who cares if over 40,000 Americans die each year for lack of health insurance?
And Quaker asked the question, “Do they really think we’re that stupid?” Well, if you believe this idiotic “study” that Grayson uses to justify his claim, then yes, you are that stupid. This “study” is the purest of absolute JUNK.
I saw this elsewhere, so I’ll just repost here (the study in question was done by a some group that is an advocate of a single payer HC system):
1. Survey a sample group in 1988, ask at that time if the person is insured, and to rate their health, do not verify actual coverage at that time or at any other time during the study
2. Track the deaths of people in the sample group between 1988 and 2000
3. Attribute deaths to lack of insurance for everyone who at the time of the initial interview claimed to be uninsured dies for any reason over the subsequent 12 years
If on the day of the interview I was uninsured, but then was insured for the next 12 years without interruption, my death would be attributed to me being uninsured. How rigorous a study is that?!
Alan Grayson is a jackass and seeing that the people who are applauding this are the same people who had a freaking cow because somebody dared to say the President lied about illegals being covered in his health care plan (which was actually true because the plan contained NO PROVISION to verify a person’s status to qualify and that was added later).
The Concern Trolls sure do have a lot of concern.
EXACTLY what you guys are doing.
Dennis I’m reading this as your admission that you supported, promoted and cheered the victory of a lie.
I’m wondering how you feel now that you’ve come clean about your utter ethical bankruptcy and that of Sarah Palin.
Not much of an argument, MOH. Why does he stop at one week? Why does he start at 100 employees?
That’s a stupid question. Why is anything anything? You’re just asking questions for the sake of asking.
Alan Grayson is a jackass and seeing that the people who are applauding this are the same people who had a freaking cow because somebody dared to say the President lied about illegals being covered in his health care plan (which was actually true because the plan contained NO PROVISION to verify a person’s status to qualify and that was added later).
Which is going to end up being a moot topic, since Mexican migrant workers will have Mexican public health insurance. That’s right, we’re falling behind fucking Mexico. This is why God invented shame.
He’s a huckster, Parthy.
Is he selling pancake batter of immortality?
with none of the things that make Glenn Beck hugely popular.
Did you know?: Glenn Beck is the first rapist/murder to be #1 on the hardback and paperback bestseller list at the same time?
You’re reading it wrong. You are doing exactly what you were repulsed at before. I must’ve convinced you that using colorful language in the case of the citizen Sarah Palin was an effective political move on her part, because you seem to have come around to being in favor of it with the mentally-challenged Rep. Grayson.
I’m asking those questions because they are legitimate questions that Grayson didn’t bother to explain; he just went to DisneyWorld one day and thought of something that would get him some publicity and establish his socialistic bona fides.
Funny, the first time you floated that you phrased it in the form of a question and your ling went to a ‘404 Error not found’.
The second time you phrase it as fact and your link again goes to a ‘404 Error not found’.
Two times getting that same error message is a perfect metaphor for your repeated attempts at floating garbage.
Jay, illegals would not be covered under Obama’s healthcare plan anymore than they are covered by medicaid. That is unless they found some kind of “loophole.” You’re very familiar with those. aren’t you?
You are doing exactly what you were repulsed at before.
Yeah? Show me where I’m doing that.
I must’ve convinced you that using colorful language in the case of the citizen Sarah Palin was an effective political move on her part..
So once again you admit that Palin was lying about “death panels.” You couldn’t bring yourself to do that at the time, Dennis, I wonder why you’ve had this change of heart.
Dennis has always admitted that Palin was lying about death panels and killing Trig and Granny. Cheered it and crowed about it, in fact. He’s proved time and time again that the truth doesn’t matter to him as long as Democrats are getting the short end of the stick.
Personally, I wish that neither side resorted to such rhetoric, and that we could have a rational debate about healthcare. But until you Republicans abjure flinging poo, or at least begin expressing a modicum of regret when poo is flung, don’t expect us to mothball our poo cannons.
Dennis, the more you come on here and cluck your hypocritical tongue at us, the more you reveal your own bad faith and moral bankruptcy.
He’s proved time and time again that the truth doesn’t matter to him as long as Democrats are getting the short end of the stick.
That’s how the modern Republican Party rolls. Liberals want solid policy, Republican Noise Machine shrieks “DETH PANELS!” over and over. Fuck, man, Southern Strategy. This isn’t a new concept. Someone commits and act of journalism by reporting on the lunaic right wing religious zealots which comprise a huge part of the Republican Party, as David Weigel did? Attack the journalist, and ignore the article. To wit,
It’s not about sound policy of facts (which as anyone knows, have a Liberal Bias), it’s about who can shriek louder. It’s not about truth, it’s about Truthiness. And it isn’t new.
Dennis, the more you come on here and cluck your hypocritical tongue at us, the more you reveal your own bad faith and moral bankruptcy.
Boom! Roasted.
And never apologize. Ever. That’s key. It’s OK to pretend to apologize as some sort of attempt at a blanket rhetorical prophylactic. Example,
The old, “I’m sorry if anyone was offended” dodge, as opposed to what would actually be an apology: “I’m sorry for saying, “XYZ,” it was totally inappropriate and it’s my fault.”
As with the “Michael Moore is Fat” parry and the classic, patented Jonah Goldberg, “that only serves to buttress my original point” when busted on a fact, it’s SOP for Team Wingnut. And it’s bulljive.
Stay vigilant.
This “study” is the purest of absolute JUNK.
False.
1. Survey a sample group in 1988, ask at that time if the person is insured, and to rate their health, do not verify actual coverage at that time or at any other time during the study
2. Track the deaths of people in the sample group between 1988 and 2000
3. Attribute deaths to lack of insurance for everyone who at the time of the initial interview claimed to be uninsured dies for any reason over the subsequent 12 years
If on the day of the interview I was uninsured, but then was insured for the next 12 years without interruption, my death would be attributed to me being uninsured. How rigorous a study is that?!
False.
(which was actually true because the plan contained NO PROVISION to verify a person’s status to qualify and that was added later).
Um, no. False.
She’s much smarter than the combined IQ’s of every person here so far who’s thrown their ad hom’s at her.
False.
Republicans are actually trying to help Americans by stopping this abortion of a bill.
False.
And the American public overwhelmingly agrees.
False.
Why are you conservatives always wrong? I mean, holy shit… you lie, and you lie, and you lie some more, all in the support of a completely ignoble cause. Scummy behavior. Pathetic and disgusting.
Mr. DeMint’s above make me want to puke.
Oh, and when confronted with specific, relevant to the topic at hand, questions about something they said, wrote, or endorsed, Team Wingnut will ignore, deflect, or “Look Over There” the questions. Over and over and over. Even when they’re repeatedly asked. Over and over and over. It’s SOP for Team Wingnut. All part of the plan. Someone should catalog a list of Wingnut dodges and specific examples of them (just from this very site, even).
And Quaker asked the question, “Do they really think we’re that stupid?”
That’s nice, Jay. Snip a question I asked in reference to Republicans pretending they never mentioned “death panels” and “pulling the plug” and apply it to something entirely different.
Nice job. Remind me to laugh loudly next time you accuse anyone of intellectual dishonesty.
EXACTLY what you guys are doing.
Do I understand? It’s your position that keeping the system we have today CAN offer uninsured Americans choices other than “Don’t get sick”?
Do you think it’s my position that I’d like to see people just die quickly, Quibs? I don’t have to ask you that because you’ve already expressed your enthusiasm with a rousing cheer for nutcase Grayson’s absurd claim.
Uhh, ‘that’s what she said?’
…nutcase Grayson’s absurd claim.
Required viewing for wingnut pearl clutcherrs who repeat this stuff:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#33110896
Watch the video for the shocking revelations about how Republicans have acted on the House floor. I wonder if any were being ironic (hint: Republicans don’t do irony, they don’t understand it).
Any questions?
Now this is what an absurd claim looks like:
Any questions?
Do you think it’s my position that I’d like to see people just die quickly, Quibs?
If you believe we should keep our current system of providing health care, then you’re apparently willing to accept that some people will die (yes, quickly) for lack of insurance.
By the way, I believe Mr. Grayson said this is the “Republican plan.” Does your question indicate that you call yourself a Republican?
C’mon, mambo. Can’t you see how you’re doing the exact same thing when you rail on evangelical christians and preachers that you accuse of wrapping themselves in the same cloak of moral superiority?
Disingenuously Ignorant Troll ignores the topic at hand and attendant specific questions.
Jay quotes Malkin quoting Amanda Carpenter quoting Junkscience.com.
There was someone here the other day giving lessons on “Appeal to Authority.” You might oughta find that guy, Jay.
Common Traits of Stalkers
Stalkers display an obsessive personality.
They are not just interested in, but totally obsessed with the person they are pursuing. Their every waking thought centers on the victim, and every plan the stalker has for the future involves the victim. Ask yourself this. Is the person totally involved in and completely overwhelmed with pursuing someone who has no and never will have any interest in him or her?
Along with obsessive thinking, they also display other psychological or personality problems and disorders. They may suffer from erotomania, paranoia, schizophrenia, and delusional thinking.
Heh. Indeed.
Read the whole thing, Indeed.
Staying on topic:
http://healthcareforamericanow.org/site/sickofit
What Rep. Grayson is talking about when he mentions The Republican Plan.
Still staying on topic, one can’t help but notice how Alan Grayson really is making Republicans/Wingnuts/Concern Trolls/Dittoheads upset. They can’t seem to stay on topic. Shocking.
C’mon, mambo. Can’t you see how you’re doing the exact same thing when you rail on evangelical christians and preachers that you accuse of wrapping themselves in the same cloak of moral superiority?
I’m not quite sure what you mean. Explain?
I’m not quite sure what you mean. Explain?
Indeed. And for goodness sake, please try to stay on topic and refrain from name-calling or other unrelated innuendo (per O-Dub’s well-timed plea for common decency yesterday).
So, the floor’s yours (on topic!).
Do you think it’s my position that I’d like to see people just die quickly, Quibs?
But it was clearly your position that the health care bill on the table over the summer allowed the government to decide who would live and who would die.
Now you admit that you knew the basis for that position was an outright lie.
And you don’t care.
Now you admit that you knew the basis for that position was an outright lie.
And you don’t care.
SOP for our friends on the Republican side of the aisle.
I didn’t admit that was a lie any more than you’ve admitted that what Grayson said was a lie, fafaroo. In fact, it’s far less a lie than what Grayson said. Palin’s statement forced Dems hand to change the wording. Grayson’s just acting like circus huckster.
And you’re cheering him on.
Pathetic, fafaroo.
Blatant hypocrisy.
Against it before you were for it. Tut-tutting something that you now cheer for.
SOP for our friends on the Democratic side of the aisle.
Grayson’s just acting like circus huckster.
You apparently missed this:
You know, for the irony. The video on MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow site (linked above) fleshes that out. Repeating the lie will not make it true (and is unbecoming).
Republicans leaders like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage are the circus hucksters and carnival barkers. Truly dangerous (e.g., Jim David Adkisson), they are. They obfuscate and slime and defend, kind of like when some typical Republican responded to a thoughtful piece by David Weigel with:
Thus are our friends on the Republican side of the aisle.
Stalkers will not take no for an answer.
They refuse to believe that a victim is not interested in them or will not rekindle their relationship and often believe that the victim really does love them, but just doesn’t know it and needs to be pushed into realizing it. As long as they continue pursuing their victim, the stalker can convince themselves they haven’t been completely rejected yet.
Heh. Indeed, Indeed.
Mambo, everything I wrote is 100% TRUE. That is how the “study” was conducted. It’s right here:
http://pnhp.org/excessdeaths/health-insurance-and-mortality-in-US-adults.pdf
The “study” is GARBAGE. This is basically how the study works out: They interviewed 9,000 people between 1988 and 1994 and asked, “Do you have health insurance?” and if you died at some point in the future, they assume you died because of the fact you didn’t have insurance during that time you were interviewed.
It’s one of the most absurd things I’ve ever read and for Oliver to claim that an mope like Grayson was telling the truth is hilarious. I’m guessing his do-boy Matt Stoller dug up this stupid study for him to cite. Grayson should enjoy his stay as he’ll be a one-term wonder. The main reason why he defeated Ric Keller is because Keller felt the ire of voters after breaking his own term limits pledge.
In fact, it’s far less a lie than what Grayson said.
Um, what Palin said “wasn’t a lie” but it was also “far less a lie” than what Grayson said?
So was it a lie or wasn’t Dennis? Or was it “sort of a lie”? Is that you mean? Palin was sort of lying about “death panels”? You’re going to have to break that one down for me.
And you’re cheering him on.
As when you wrote, “You are doing exactly what you were repulsed at before,” don’t overreach, Dennis.
Unless you want to cite exactly where I “cheered on” Grayson. Please do, if you can.
Defensive Troll bites when cornered.
Alan Grayson’s admittedly ironic hyperbole really does scare the bejabbers out of the Republicans/Dittoheads/One-more-off-topic-outburst-away-from-going-Jiim-David-Adkisson-on-us-ers. This should be interesting to see how it plays out.
Grayson should enjoy his stay as he’ll be a one-term wonder. The main reason why he defeated Ric Keller is because Keller felt the ire of voters after breaking his own term limits pledge.
We shall see. Being the Most Talked About Person in Washington may not be a bad thing for Grayson’s Q rating. He’s getting a lot of publicity and is a composed fighter. He’s taken on Big Finance and now Big Medical Industrial Complex. It could be a tipping point for Health Care Reform as well as for Grayson’s future prospects. Time will tell. Plus, I’ll send him some dough. Also.
In other words, Dennis, I’m trying to figure out what you’re trying to say.
In response to my comment:
you wrote:
Well, Dennis, that means you admit you knew Palin was lying and that you supported her in the lie.
If it doesn’t mean that, what does it mean?
If Grayson is doing exactly what Palin was doing, and you think Grayson is lying, then you must believe that both of them are lying.
Correct?
It Was Just A Matter Of Time Before Someone Punched Matt Stoller”
Classic.
Grasping, even for Dennis.
Has Grayson been on Colbert? On paper, that looks like some quality TV.
It Was Just A Matter Of Time Before Someone Punched Matt Stoller”
Classic.
Revenge Fantasy Troll believes that violence against people who have different opinions is awesome. Classic indeed. I can’t figure out how The Jim David Adkisson Situation could possibly have happened. Classic.
It very simply means that you are guilty of of what you are accusing me of.
fafaroo, you and Quibs are a two-man tag-team. Frick and Frack.
Heckel and Jeckel. Laurel and Hardy. Abbott and Costello. Quibs was with you every step of the way for two weeks on the Sarah Palin death panels comment that you decided to dig you heels on for. Now he’s the first guy on the thread to yell ‘Right on, f-yeah, THAT’s what I’m talkin’ about’.
I ask him why the disconnect between the self-righteousness from before and now the wild animalistic wooping he’s doing now. Your choice to defend him and attack me is tacitly approving of his blatantly hypocritical and weird (for him) behavior by cheering on Grayson’s lying. In this case, it’s guilt by association. You are who you run with.
Most stalkers don’t have any relationship outside the one they are trying to re-establish or the one they have imagined exists between them and their victim.
Because they are usually loners, stalkers become desperate to obtain this relationship.
Dude.
Try to give it a rest.
Grayson is indeed a lunatic, but underneath he may be quite clever in planning ahead financially once he’s ejected from office in 2010. My theory is Grayson examined Joe Wilson’s fundraising juggernaut and figured, “Why not me?” Hence, the outrageous rhetoric. What better way to face an impending re-election struggle than to fill the campaign coffers with “atta-boy” contributions from fellow bed wetters? This way, Grayson can spend less of his own money and grow the ol’ nest egg for post-congressional life. I mean, he’s lost a few thousand votes in his district just this week alone. He won’t get much help from ACORN this time (they’ve been disembowled). So Grayson will need all the cash he can get.
and you think Grayson is lying
Anyone who honestly still thinks Grayson is lying hasn’t watched (and understood!) the Maddow clip. Disingenuous Concern Trolls will repeat this nonsense, but they wouldn’t be Disingenuous Concern Trolls if they didn’t, now would they? I guess the could be Palin-Grade Ignorant Dittohead Trolls too. That’s a possibility. Also.
Now he’s the first guy on the thread to yell ‘Right on, f-yeah, THAT’s what I’m talkin’ about’.
Context? Dennis don’t need no context.
QiaB at 3:47, yesterday:
In related news, House Republicans are looking for the fainting couch because a Democratic lawmaker described the Republican health care plan as: “Don’t Get Sick” and if you do get sick “Die Quickly”.
OW’s post at 4:01, yesterday:
Republicans Vewwy Vewwy Upset At Alan Grayson For Telling The Truth
QiaB at 4:05, yesterday:
Haw! There you go. That’s the one I’m talking about.
Apparently the Republicans who are all upset about this think we’ve already forgotten all the ranting about “death panels” and “pulling the plug on grandma.”
Stand by for evasive maneuvers!
Look Over There Troll keeps yelling “Look, over there!” to unrelated nonsense.
the wild animalistic wooping he’s doing now
Dude!
My theory is Grayson examined Joe Wilson’s fundraising juggernaut and figured, “Why not me?” Hence, the outrageous rhetoric.
My theory is that Grayon is passionate about getting meaningful Health Care Reform which isn’t a giveaway to the Medical Industrial Complex and congressmen on the MIC take (as well as calling out giveaways to Big Banking, one can’t help but note). It is also my theory that Grayson is using the outrageous rhetoric as an ironic example of what he’s up against. I strongly believe the latter since, you know, that’s what Grayson said it was (for the Obvious Challenged). Watch the Maddow video. Did it change your mind?
It very simply means that you are guilty of of what you are accusing me of.
What exactly is it that you think I’m accusing you of, Dennis? And how exactly am I doing the same thing?
As for this:
Either cite exactly where I either cheer on or defend either Grayson or anyone else in this thread or just STFU.
Unless you really did mean to advocate guilt by association attacks as a valid line of argument.
Actual words:
Haw! There you go. That’s the one I’m talking about.
Dennis’ version:
he’s the first guy on the thread to yell ‘Right on, f-yeah, THAT’s what I’m talkin’ about’.
Even given your obvious reading disabilities, that’s pretty bad.
Right on topic, Steve Benen notes:
Indeed. One can’t help but wonder if a vaccine will ever be developed to cure Republicans of their utter lack of irony.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_10/020218.php
Semantics, Quibs. Aside from attributing f-yeah to you, a word you never use to my knowledge, it’s pretty close. So I’ll apologize for ‘f-yeah’.
I was going from memory. Would ‘can I get a woop-woop’ been a better description of your apparent glee?
So I’ll apologize for ‘f-yeah’.
But never for
Apologies for straying off-topic.
Semantics, Quibs.
That word doesn’t mean what you seem to think.
There was no “Right on.”
There was no “f-yeah.”
It was not “THAT’s what I’m talking about.”
And, of course, my first entry in this thread referred to my eariler comment and Oliver’s post, not Mr. Grayson’s presentation.
Other than that, spot on!
It very simply means that you are guilty of of what you are accusing me of.
And you are guilty of what you are accusing us of.
Rinse and repeat. Rinse and repeat.
Now, as to the substance of the issue…
Jay has found a right wing physician who – color me surprised – doesn’t like the study. So he screams in his his most scientifically judicious and objective voice:
The “study” is GARBAGE.
Actually the authors of the study are pretty upfront about its limitations, and for Jay to describe it as such: “if you died at some point in the future, they assume you died because of the fact you didn’t have insurance during that time you were interviewed” shows that he didn’t read the article or didn’t understand it. The authors say nothing about the death of any individual. What they show is a correlation between uninsured status at a particular point in time and increased rate of death. They extrapolate the difference in rate through the whole population to come up with the 40-odd thousand number. The authors admit that other factors may inflate that number, but also use, where prior research exists, coefficients to adjust the results to account for those other factors. The results are in line with previous studies, when one considers that the number of uninsured has grown significantly in the last several years.
Bottom line: Grayson is wrong to quote that as a firm number, but his general point stands and it’s far closer to the truth than Palin’s willful distortions. Cut the number in half – back to previous studies’ estimates – and you still have over 20,000 people dying needlessly per year: that’s six 9-11’s per year. The republicans have stood by for the last several decades and done nothing about it. Even when they held all the reins of power they did nothing about it.
So don’t pretend that you have any better answer than “don’t get sick” and “die quick”. If you had a better one, we’d have heard it by now.
Indeed -
Thanks for the suggestion. I watched the Maddow clip in its entirety. Yes, the hot rhetoric flows back and forth, and I noted with a chuckle how Grayson paraphrased Spiro Agnew at one point. My side is finally dishing it out (yes!) and the other side is stunned, but responds. My point is that Grayson is in political peril, he is ideologically out-of-sync with his constituents, and this may have been the week where his re-election bid finally jumped the shark.
My point is that Grayson is in political peril, he is ideologically out-of-sync with his constituents, and this may have been the week where his re-election bid finally jumped the shark.
Could be. But as I noted above, it could be a tipping point for Health Care Reform and for Grayson’s political future (in a good way). We’ll see. But he’s a fighter and he’s on point and well-composed. I think people like a take not shit kind of guy. He regularly sticks it to the Fed too (and they have it coming), so the Bailout opponents love him. My crystal ball’s at the cleaners, so I can’t see how this will all play out, but I think it’s a net good for A-Gray and This Great Nation. One is hopeful, anyway.
Mambo, everything I wrote is 100% TRUE. That is how the “study” was conducted.
False.
Chris Bowers:
Indeed. Good times. More of this please.
Grayson is wrong to quote that as a firm number, but his general point stands
Oh I see. The “fake but accurate” defense. Whatever.
My theory is that Grayon is passionate about getting meaningful Health Care Reform which isn’t a giveaway to the Medical Industrial Complex
Grayson is worth something like $30 million. Has Grayson purchased health insurance plans for any of his constituents who don’t have any?
Grayson is worth something like $30 million. Has Grayson purchased health insurance plans for any of his constituents who don’t have any?
A reverse-Chicken Hawk?!? Didn’t see that one coming.
Grayson is worth something like $30 million. Has Grayson purchased health insurance plans for any of his constituents who don’t have any?
This is what we’re up against?
Oh I see. The “fake but accurate” defense. Whatever.
False. Not “fake.”
Grayson is worth something like $30 million. Has Grayson purchased health insurance plans for any of his constituents who don’t have any?
Really? Are you joking? This is one of the stupidest things I have heard all day.
This is what we’re up against?
Apparently. Republicans are fucking priceless. Just mind-boggling.
I’m asking those questions because they are legitimate questions that Grayson didn’t bother to explain;
Ok, I’ll take a stab at them. 1 week seems to be a good amount a time without being too prohibitive to the workplace. After all, alot of office jobs offer 2 weeks paid vacation. 100 employees is a low enough to affect most major companies, but high enough such that small business won’t be hurt by a loss of labor during that week. Satisfactory?
he just went to DisneyWorld one day and thought of something that would get him some publicity and establish his socialistic bona fides.
How do you know that’s the reason? Because the article said so? Can’t believe everything you read.
Funny, the first time you floated that you phrased it in the form of a question and your ling went to a ‘404 Error not found’.
Huh, so it does. Well, 3rd time’s the charm.
http://glennbeckrapedandmurderedayounggirlin1990.com/
Two times getting that same error message is a perfect metaphor for your repeated attempts at floating garbage.
Cough death panels cough cough.
Common Traits of Stalkers
That’s sounds alot like your obsession with me. Go fig.
In fact, it’s far less a lie than what Grayson said.
Uh, no.*
*I tested the link, just for you. <3
“Grayson is worth something like $30 million. Has Grayson purchased health insurance plans for any of his constituents who don’t have any?”
Rich people who think differently than Jay don’t have a valid point/opinion unless they are giving all of their money away. It’s classic “loophole” Jay.
Well, I for one think that Glenn Beck should address the nation, and put an end to this terrible rumor that he raped and murdered a young girl in 1990. His reticence to speak about the issue of whether he raped and murdered a young girl in 1990 gives one pause, and makes one wonder if there is truth to the allegation. Questions swirl.
C’mon, mambo. Can’t you see how you’re doing the exact same thing when you rail on evangelical christians and preachers that you accuse of wrapping themselves in the same cloak of moral superiority?
Dennis, if you are accusing me of hypocritical behavior, I would really like to understand exactly how I am being a hypocrite. As I said, I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about, and would like an explanation.
The “study” is GARBAGE.
False.
This is basically how the study works out: They interviewed 9,000 people between 1988 and 1994 and asked, “Do you have health insurance?” and if you died at some point in the future, they assume you died because of the fact you didn’t have insurance during that time you were interviewed.
False.
It is clear that you do not understand experimental design and analysis.
Grayson should enjoy his stay as he’ll be a one-term wonder.
False.
The fact that you think he’ll be unseated next election is indicative that he will be re-elected in perpetuity. So I extend my hearty congratulations to the Congressman.
Oh I see. The “fake but accurate” defense. Whatever.
What Grayson said about the healthcare study was miles more accurate than anything you’ve said about it.
Grayson is worth something like $30 million. Has Grayson purchased health insurance plans for any of his constituents who don’t have any?
Lessee, Grayson could liquidate all $30 mil and buy insurance for a few years for a few hundred constituents… or he could stay in congress and fight for decent healthcare for all of them. That’s a no-brainer. Which is also a pretty good description of Jay’s posts in this thread.
Y’hello, Dennis? Yoooooo hoooooo? Gonna answer my question, or did you realize that you were talking nonsense again and decided to ignore my query?
Republicans have been cut out of the picture now. The question is, why did Dems want to work with “the party of no” in the first place?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/10/1/788648/-GOP-finally-out-of-the-health-care-reform-picture
For one thing, Jaim, the idea behind a two party system is that you have more than one party. There is a long history of single party domination leading to corruption and or dictatorship, but mostly both.
When the Republicans were in the majority, the cry for bipartisanship was hale and hearty. Now the Democrats have a 60% majority in the Senate — until 2010, I’ll wager — the cries for bipartisanship have faded like morning dew in the sun. This can’t possibly have anything to with the Democratic Party’s desire for power for its own sake, now could it?
And, as it is Democrats seeking absolute power, with no offset from the minority, there couldn’t possibly be an opportunity for corruption, now could there?
And even as the “government”, in the form of the Executive and Legislative Branches, seeks to gobble up industry after industry, there couldn’t possibly be a dictatorship in our future, now could there?
After all, when has a Democratic President ever made a mistake?
Right, because Republicans don’t want to have any power. How gracious of them.
Google ” ‘Karl Rove’ ‘permanent Republican majority’ ” and see what you come up with.
If you want your party to have more power, how about dropping your lunatic leaders: Limbaugh, Beck, Fox News, etc. Good luck!
“There is a long history of single party domination leading to corruption and or dictatorship, but mostly both.”
Oh man, let me stop laughing at this one. After the treatment Dems got between 2001 to 2006 I’d think you guys would have developed a sense of shame by now.
“When the Republicans were in the majority, the cry for bipartisanship was hale and hearty.”
Sorry. Have to wipe the tears from my eyes. You are a complete liar. Remember “majorities of the majority?” No? Remember Dem congressmen being cut out of legislation meetings by their GOP counter-parts? No? I sure do.
Another central notion of our system is that elections have consequences. The GOP has made it clear that as the minority party, it has no interest in bi-partisanship. They simply want the first black president to fail. And hence, they should be ignored. Obama reached out his hand and got nothing but contempt for doing so. He’s a smart guy, and he won’t make the same mistake again.
More to the point, has the GOP put forward a single idea for improving health-care? I’m sure somebody has bloviated about malpractice suits, but the costs of those are a drop in the bucket compared to the costly and inefficient American system.
“And, as it is Democrats seeking absolute power, with no offset from the minority, there couldn’t possibly be an opportunity for corruption, now could there?”
Really? So Democrats passing legislation with their majority status is a power grab? Funny, because the Founding Fathers called this “the way the system should work.”
“seeks to gobble up industry after industry”
I also opposed to Detroit bail-out. But it’s the only industry that got rules put on it, as opposed to the Bush bank bail-outs that went over with no government oversight. So those give-aways are OK with you? But when the taxpayers bail out an industry and put some oversight on it that’s Socialism? Are there Federal official standing on the production line? No? Really? Ah, so you’re just making up shit as usual. Gotchya.
“After all, when has a Democratic President ever made a mistake?”
Hmm. FDR ended the Great Depression. He and Truman won World War II. Kennedy got us to the moon. Clinton gave us unparalleled economic growth.
Bush II? Two wars that he couldn’t even finish. Yeah, I’m thinking Americans are better off with Dems in charge.
Iran Hostages – Pres Carter
Pres Johnson’s War on Poverty /Micromanagement of the Vietnam — we lost both wars
Pres Clinton’s impeachment…
The infallibility of the Democratic Party.
BTW, the cries for bipartisanship were coming from the Democrats — Pres Bush probably vetoed no more than 6 spending bills in 8 years.
Really? So Democrats passing legislation with their majority status is a power grab? Funny, because the Founding Fathers called this “the way the system should work.”
a) I didn’t call it a power grab ; you did. I said it would tempt them to corruption. Since you couldn’t deny it, you just pretended I said something else.
b) When and where did you read that the Founding Fathers intended for the majority to run roughshod over the minority? I must have missed that lesson when I was taking 8th Grade Civics or 11th Grade American History. They sure didn’t mention it in the history of the Federalist Era that I took in College. So, fill me in.
I’m not saying the Democratic party is infallible, just that America does a hell of a lot better with Democratic presidents. Granted, I’m 35 so I don’t remember much of Carter’s era. I do remember the 90’s however, and how job growth and wage growth went up every year.
Bush didn’t veto _anything_ because he loved to spend our money. Period. He absolutely loved making the government bigger and more expensive, and Congressional Republicans couldn’t be prouder to help him do exactly that. At least Dems are honest when they say they want to expand the role of government to provide better services to people.
As for Dems in Congress, you should be happy that Harry Reid is such a wimp. He’s scared to pass legislation with merely 51 votes, when in fact it’s entirely fair for him to do so.
But the worm has turned. Obama has had nine month to see that the only thing the GOP wants is for a black president to fail. Be prepared to be treated as such.
I thought it was fairly obvious, mambo, honestly. That and a further explanation would be hard without it getting into personal attack territory, so I blew it off. Everyone thinks their cause to be the noble one. People who defend Roman Polanski think even theirs is the noble one.
On just this very thread, Zython is immaturely accusing Glenn Beck of murder and rape, and linking to a parody site in which they admit they are only trying to spread a rumor and have no evidence or any reason to think he did anything of the sort. Zython has engaged in this very despicable behavior before. He defended himself and thought his actions were noble then, too. He was defended for posting as a conservative blogger and falsely attributing highly racist statements to this particular blogger by other posters here. They thought they were being noble in defending his actions.
And here now on this sme thread you are aiding Zython in spreading those false rumors about Glenn Beck, that he murdered and raped a woman, when you know full well that you are just playing along with the charade. So when you accuse conservatives here of lying for an ignoble cause…
then you turn right around and engage in the exact same behavior that you claim disgusts you, it pretty much confirms you weren’t being at all sincere, and you’re being blatantly hypocritical about your being on the side of nobility. Hypocrisy and and pretending to be morally superior are the same things that atheists hate about christians and preachers for these very same reasons, no?
What could be more “Scummy behovior. Pathetic and disgusting.” Than spreading a rumor that someone was a murderer and a rapist when you know up front that they are not? I suppose you’ll reply by saying that you think that’s what Glenn Beck does, so what’s wrong with you doing it too, and pretend it’s a noble cause to embarrass him and get him to stop doing whatever it is your cause against him is, but in effect, you’re condoning and practicing the very same “you lie, and you lie, and you lie some more, all in the support of a completely ignoble cause.” behavior that you say disgusts you.
For shame, mambo.
When the Republicans were in the majority, the cry for bipartisanship was hale and hearty. Now the Democrats have a 60% majority in the Senate — until 2010, I’ll wager — the cries for bipartisanship have faded like morning dew in the sun.
Next time you want to ruminate, Frank, you might consider adding some facts to your cud. Over the last two decades, Republicans in congress have been far more willing to pass bills without significant Democratic support, and over the last few months we’ve seen the Democrats nearly every inch of health care legislation, while the Republicans have not budged at all.
I agree with your broader point: in a two-party system, it’s not good to have one party dominate. But it’s even worse when one of the parties has become completely uninterested in anything but defeating the other side.
then you turn right around and engage in the exact same behavior that you claim disgusts you…
Difference is, Dennis, that everyone knows that the Beck-rapist think is a joke (or is it??? questions swirl!) told to make a point. On the other hand wingnut lies and distortions are believed by many to be the absolute truth, and you come on here daily cheering and chortling about them.
Cry me a river.
But it’s even worse when one of the parties has become completely uninterested in anything but defeating the other side.
And somehow you believe that the Republicans are guilty of that because they don’t (as I don’t) accept the premise that the American healthcare system is in such bad shape that it needs to be scrapped and replaced, but somehow the Democrats are blameless when they declare, “We don’t care what the Republicans (and the people they represent – despite their minority, they do represent people) think, we’re passing this legislation, anyway” ?
Dittohead Pearl-Clutching Faux-Outrage Wahmbulance Troll announces that he is outraged. Someone should call a…
For shame, mambo.
Dennis, thank you for illustrating that you don’t know what you are talking about. The “Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990″ thing is what we call an “internet meme.” It is a joke, and everyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that it is a joke. If you go to the website linked above, you will see clearly that it is a joke.
It stems from a couple things: Firstly, it has origins in the Comedy Central Roast of Bob Saget, specifically the Gilbert Gottfried portion of the show. Look it up if you want. Secondly, it is sniping at Beck using the same tactics that he uses. Do you recall when Beck asked Keith Ellison (a Muslim) to prove that he wasn’t “working with America’s enemies”?
you’re condoning and practicing the very same “you lie, and you lie, and you lie some more, all in the support of a completely ignoble cause.” behavior that you say disgusts you.
If you want to make a favorable comparison between a clear joke, an internet meme, and Republicans’ behavior with respect to the health care debate – then OK. That actually makes a lot of sense. Let it be known that Dennis thinks that Republicans shouldn’t be taken seriously from this point on the topic of health care reform.
Hypocrisy and and pretending to be morally superior are the same things that atheists hate about christians and preachers for these very same reasons, no?
That doesn’t reflect all I dislike about the uber-religious, but it’s a start. This is the most accurate thing that you wrote in your entire post.
you’re being blatantly hypocritical about your being on the side of nobility.
False.
You fail, Dennis. Epic fail.
It is a joke, and everyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that it is a joke.
Although some with two abutting brain cells understand this but pretend not to and make a show of clutching their pearls, pretending to be outraged, simply outraged, that anyone could possibly stoop to such levels. It’s an Internet Tradition amongst Republican Trolls to pretend not to be aware of this particular internet tradition. Honestly. Heh.
that the American healthcare system is in such bad shape that it needs to be scrapped and replaced,
False.
Not being scrapped and replaced. Instead, providing one more option.
Frank, the major issue is that the Republicans are only interested in defeating Obama. They don’t give a fuck about healthcare reform, otherwise they would have approached the table and had a serious discussion about it. No, instead they screech about death panels and killing granny and how the President “lies” on the floor of a joint session of Congress. You have Mr. DeMint’s comments above, where he indicates that he wants to defeat healthcare reform so as to “break Obama.”
That is completely abhorrent and shit-tastic behavior, and the Republicans deserve to be ignored because of it.
Let it be known that Obama was prepared to make concessions to the Republicans, but they did not respond in kind. Sorry, you guys are in the minority, you don’t get to tell the Democrats what to do anymore, and you don’t get the privilege of passing legislation that you agree with 100%.
Yes, Mambo, I remember, “To the victor belong the spoils”.
I repeat, the Republicans were viewed as unresponsive when they didn’t cave in to all the Democrat’s requests, while they (the Republicans) were in power, and now that the Democrats are in power, the Republicans are viewed as obstinate obstructionists, because they won’t accept the Democrats’ plans for legislation.
Heads Dems win, tails Reps lose.
Now the Democrats have a 60% majority in the Senate — until 2010, I’ll wager — the cries for bipartisanship have faded like morning dew in the sun. This can’t possibly have anything to with the Democratic Party’s desire for power for its own sake, now could it?
Good guess, but no. It has everything in the world to do with the lowdown, scheming, no good Democraps winning elections!
Bipartisan: Iraq War Resolution
Not bipartisan: Deficit Reduction Act
Bipartisan: PATRIOT Act
Not (ideologically) bipartisan: Civil Rights Act
need more examples?
I repeat, the Republicans were viewed as unresponsive when they didn’t cave in to all the Democrat’s requests, while they (the Republicans) were in power, and now that the Democrats are in power, the Republicans are viewed as obstinate obstructionists, because they won’t accept the Democrats’ plans for legislation.
Frank, I think it has more to do with Republicans being obstinate obstructionists (nice alliteration, btw). If they wanted to work with the Dems and have some input on healthcare reform, they had a chance; maybe they could have worked in tort reform or interstate availability of insurance, or whatever, if they were prepared to support a bipartisan bill.
But they aren’t. As Mr. DeMint explains above in those ridiculous comments, they are only concerned with defeating Obama and the Democrats. They are not interested in helping the people, or in enacting good, positive legislation. They are interested in winning. They want to destroy, to “break”, Obama.
And that is just horrible.
So, they’ve lost their right to complain about not being in on the process. They have approached this issue from an unhelpful, malicious viewpoint, and therefore are not to be trusted to bring reasonable and constructive ideas to the floor.
Screw ‘em.
Chuck Pierce:
He never disappoints.
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/altercation/480179
Lurker Troll lurks. Waiting to strike. He’ll shows those libtards once and for all! Must protect The Precious. Lurking…lurking…
Americans will start listening to Republicans once they have something to say other than “I hope our black president fails.”
Also, it’s a shame Glenn Beck raped and murdered that little girl.
Two – yes, two! – lies in one .
Way kewl!
Two – yes, two! – lies in one .
Way kewl!
Well, if he DIDN’T rape her, then why hasn’t he gone on the record denying said allegations?
On just this very thread, Zython is immaturely accusing Glenn Beck of murder and rape,
I’m not saying he did it, but it would irresponsible of us not to speculate.
When the Republicans were in the majority, the cry for bipartisanship was hale and hearty. Now the Democrats have a 60% majority in the Senate — until 2010, I’ll wager — the cries for bipartisanship have faded like morning dew in the sun. This can’t possibly have anything to with the Democratic Party’s desire for power for its own sake, now could it?
I fail to see the problem. Republicans never wanted bipartisanship. That’s our concession to them.
The infallibility of the Democratic Party.
Watergate – Nixon
Iran-Contra – Reagan
Iraq War – Bush II
Katrina – Bush II
You forgot 9/11.
Unfortunately for you two, I never said the Republican Party was infallible .. I said the Democratic Party was not infallible.
At least you two were smart enough not to trya and argue that it was .
I fail to see the problem
Yes.