Second, if the boy was 16 at the time, it is not even clear that a crime was committed since he had reached the age of consent in his home state of Massachusetts.

Right. He opposed kicking the NAMBLA people out of the Gay Activist club. We knew that. Anything else?

Harry Hay is not serving in the Obama administration.. He’s dead. Why does Jennings need to denounce him? Please explain your reasoning.

Only if it serves to oppose the Obama administration.

/end wingnut douchebag

And Jennings’ comments that he drew inspiration from him make it clear that it was Hay’s fighting against the status quo, his belief that the world can change that were the source of that inspiration.

That if we believe that can happen, we can make it happen. The only thing that will stop us is our lack of faith that we can make it happen. That is our mission from this day forward. To not lose our faith, to not lose our belief that the world can, indeed, be a different place. And think how much can change in one lifetime if in Harry Hay’s one very short life, he saw change from not even one person willing to join him to a million people willing to travel to Washington to join him.

NOT his support of NAMBLA. As one of your own links notes:

Kevin Jennings, we know you do not support this kind of statement [made by Hays], and you are not “inspired” by the kind of activism Harry Hay exhibits here.

Kennedy inspired many, but was a womanizer. Jefferson is widely admired, and deservedly so, for his achievements and beliefs, but he owned slaves and to some was a rapist. Lindburgh, Ford, King, Edison. All inspirational, all with attitudes and/or who did things that were not. Should anyone who has ever praised their accomplishments be condemned for doing so?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Hay

And a more complete takedown here (including Hay at NAMBLA conferences) –

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=927

Harry Hay seems to have been a dispicable character that supported NAMBLA in a big way. Jennings needs to denounce Hay asap or resign.

link?

Harry Hay – “In 1983, at a New York University forum, sponsored by an on-campus gay organization, he remarked “[I]f the parents and friends of gays are truly friends of gays, they would know from their gay kids that the relationship with an older man is precisely what thirteen-, fourteen-, and fifteen-year-old kids need more than anything else in the world.”[49] In 1986 Hay was confronted by police when he attempted to march in the Los Angeles pride parade, from which NAMBLA had been banned, with a sign reading “NAMBLA walks with me.”

Jennings is inspired by Hay (who was a NAMBLA supporter).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartman_Joins_NAMBLA

Fixed.

Yes. Standard format here. I am familiar with it, Frank

NOT in italics was “Have all the backgroun investigators resigned since Pres Obama was elected?” which, based on views expressed before, your accepting that the NAMBLA accusation was true. And as QiaB’s post showed, there didn’t seem to be any there there.

So, a contention that Obama’s staff isn’t appropriately vetting doesn’t follow. You can’t investigate to verify someone doesn’t have dirt that opponents will make up.

My comment referred to the concept which the Obama administration seems to be having a problem with : You should investigate potential appointees before you bring their names up, and turn the press loose on them to dig up the dirt .

Sean : in re: Tarasoff – You are merely saying that what Jennings did was controversial. I am saying the same thing.

Posted over 14 hours after Quaker in a Basement actually looked up what Jennings had written and asked the reasonable question: “Where’s the part where he advocates for NAMBLA?”

william’s “There’s this guy who says Jennings supports NAMBLA” vs QiaB’s “Here’s what Jennings actually said and it doesn’t say that”. And you go with william’s inuendo?

I’d see a fundamental difference between the case where the counseled student says “I want to kill someone else” and the one where they’re saying “I don’t care about my own life.”

And, without having read the particulars of the case and not being familiar with the outcome of the suit, I’d think the clear error was not continuing to check on/contact the girl. Should the counselor also have contacted parents? I dunno. It really comes down to the particular situaion in these cases and one never has benefit of hindsight at the time that such decisions have to be made?

Best outcome if you warn the girl’s parents (and prevent an attack)? Best outcome if you don’t but continue to counsel the boy who (it would turn out) really wasn’t going to attach the girl and was largely venting hurt. Contact the girl’s parents in the latter situation and the boy ends up having pain prolonged because he’s now got a reputation as being violent that isn’t really deserved?

It’s difficult to say what course is best. Folks make the best decisions they can and shouldn’t be majorly criticized for them unless there was gross errors of common sense.

Have all the backgroun investigators resigned since Pres Obama was elected?

It seems like no one is able to confirm or deny anything about his appointments. That is just poor management, whether or not it is poor politics, I can’t say.

One of the people that’s always inspired me is Harry Hay, who started the first ongoing gay rights groups in America. In 1948, he tried to get people to join the Mattachine Society [the first American homosexual “rights” group]. It took him two years to find one other person who would join. Well, [in] 1993, Harry Hay marched with a million people in Washington, who thought he had a good idea 40 years before. Everybody thought Harry Hay was crazy in 1948, and they knew something about him which he apparently did not—they were right, he was crazy. You are all crazy. We are all crazy. All of us who are thinking this way are crazy, because you know what? Sane people keep the world the same [sh*tty] old way it is now.

Where’s the part where he advocates for NAMBLA, willie?

Do questions swirl?

“Lori Roman of Regular Folks United points to statements by Jennings a decade or more ago when he praised Harry Hay of the North American Association for Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), which promotes the legalization of sexual abuse of young boys by older men.”

“Roman provides damning details and links here. She also notes that Jennings wrote the forward “to a book called Queering Elementary Education. And another fellow you may have heard of wrote one of the endorsements on the book jacket—Bill Ayers.” Ayers, of course, is the Weather Underground bomber from the 1960s who is just an “acquaintance” of Obama.”

see Tarasoff vs State Board of Regents of California.

In case , a college student revealed to an on-campus counselor that he wanted to kill a girl who had slighted him. The counselor contacted Campus Security, but not the girl or her parents. When the Security guard came to check on her , she was not on campus, and that ended that.

When she DID return to campus, he DID kill her.

The parents sued the State University system, contending that the school was obligated to contacted the students or the parents or both