* And Frank will whine that people don’t understand him and that everyone is fucking assholes who should be beaten until they die while bemoaning the lack of civility.

That’s a phrase that gets tossed off without any thought by the people who use it (whether using it regarding Obama or Bush or any other person) and I’d really like to know just what it is supposed to mean. What would “destruction” of the country look like?

Presumably it doesn’t mean physical destruction with cities reduced to rubble and millions dead. I doubt anyone short of a Glenn Beck-level wingnut thinks Obama is going to turn American’s missiles inward. So what does “destroy the country” really mean.

Serious question, and I’d welcome a serious reply.

From that, you should gather that I have long ago abandoned the view that abortion is murder.

Actually, from that I don’t gather that at all. Your snippet (and granted it may have been only part of a larger piece you wrote, but you only provided the snippet) says that the result of pregnancy is a child and we shouldn’t get in the way of that life coming forth.

If anything, from that I would infer that you are opposed to abortion. Now that’s not saying that you equate abortion to murder. But, since you’re against preventing the life from coming forth, it would again be reasonable to infer that you would view preventing it as a course of action that should not be allowed (i.e., a crime).

In any event, what you wrote certainly does not make it clear that you abandoned the view that abortion is murder. You do seem to have a problem saying what you actually think you are saying.

Frank hits his 19.

Frank, why do you hate America?

So when the last President lied to the American people to get the unnecessary war he wanted, signed off on torture, partied while a major American city was being destroyed, and dropped the ball on national security, which resulted in the worst terrorist attack on American soil in history, that’s your idea of competent? But when the President has the audacity of *gasp* being black and raising taxes of rich people, he should be carted off to the loony bin?

Frank, the only one who should be in St. Elizebeth’s is you.

Who the fuck are you, Frank, to tell a woman that she has to bring a pregnancy to term?

is the rather sobering thought that, because of you, there is a President in the White House who may destroy this country

Saying stupid things like this is why we mock you, Frank. This is a really stupid thing to say. Think about it. After all this country has survived, the thing that will destroy it is a black liberal in the White House. You’re an idiot.

Mambochicken will hurl epithets at me with much derision and contempt,

Yes.

proclaiming that I deserve them,

Yes.

while he pretends he is a joyful fellow,

Sometimes, I am.

and intent on the scientific method.

Yes, very much so.

Frank, that’s the most truthful and correct statement you have ever written at this blog. I am blown away. Ha.

Umm, nope, don’t think so. Frank has, though. Perhaps not here, but in other threads.

I know I’m gonna regret this, but could you try to find one of those instances? If you were to check my original MySpace, which is several years old, you would find this statement by me:

Since no woman in history has ever given birth to a leggo, a ping pong paddle, or a locomotive, it’s safe to say that the result of a full – term pregnancy will be a child. That being the case, whether or not there is “life” after X amount of weeks is irrelevant. There will be. Who are we, man or woman, to prevent that life from coming into the world?

From that, you should gather that I have long ago abandoned the view that abortion is murder.

But I suppose you’ll find something like it, and then give me the third degree with the help of your erstwhile colleagues, trying to force me to “confess” that my words mean “abortion is murder”.

You play the same game*, over and over again; you play it badly, and then you accuse me of making you do it. The only thing that stops me from laughing uproariously is the rather sobering thought that, because of you, there is a President in the White House who may destroy this country before he himself is carted off to St. Elizabeth’s.

* Mambochicken will hurl epithets at me with much derision and contempt, proclaiming that I deserve them, while he pretends he is a joyful fellow, and intent on the scientific method.

* S Martin will try to parse something I have said into something else entirely, instead of simply asking, as anyone else might, “What did you mean by that?” He will then reference an event, from which we were both requested to move on by the owner of the blog.

* Zython, the ankle biter, will show up about 150 comments in with his attempts at snark and wisdom, nearly always falling short of the mark.

* Quaker will scurry to his Merriam – Webster to see if there ia some way to dispute what I said, by resorting to middle English or Plattdeutsch.

Nope. Double hit the Paste command by accident.

Umm, nope, don’t think so. Frank has, though. Perhaps not here, but in other threads.

Is anyone else seeing double, or is it just me?

Did you do that on purpose?

How can you accidentally have an abortion? (Outside of miscarriage, which would be better described as “involuntary”).

Do you think it’s a dictionary that says, abortion see murder.

From the rhetoic used by the anti-choice crowd, I wouldn’t be surprised.

Is anyone else seeing double, or is it just me? (hic)

I get that. Why make the effort to actually write what you mean? No reason to start now.

First of all, the reference would have to refer to real children…

So now you’re saying any kids I may have don’t exist?

…and second of all, it would have to be a negative reference. Mine was neither.

Nor was mambo’s by your apparent standard.

Is he not your arbiter for all that is right and righteous?

Where do you come up with this stuff, Frank? Oh, right. Made up out of whole cloth, reality warping to fit your psychoses. I forgot.Frank DiSalle: I thought the usage, “anyone else but me” was a bit awkward.

I get that. Why make the effort to actually write what you mean? No reason to start now.

First of all, the reference would have to refer to real children…

You saying I don’t have kids?

…and second of all, it would have to be a negative reference. Mine was neither.

Nor was mambo’s by your apparent standard.

Is he not your arbiter for all that is right and righteous?

Where do you come up with this stuff, Frank? Oh, right. Made up out of whole cloth, reality warping to fit your psychoses. I forgot.

What?

Why? Says who?

it would have to be a negative reference

I am sure that your children are wonderful people, Frank. Despite the fact that they have an absolute shitbag for a father figure.

Mine was neither

The only response to this can be laughter. Wow.

mambochicken felt no need to apologize

No, I don’t. You’re a dick, you have children, and that’s unfortunate. I have not said one negative thing about your kids, Frank. Not one.

Their father? Sure.

But I don’t know your children, and it would be unfair for me to make any judgments about them.

About their father? Sure.

I thought the usage, “anyone else but me” was a bit awkward.

And , finally the wittiest riposte of all : “I’m rubber, you’re glue; whatever you say, bounces off me and sticks on you.”

Shame on him who would mention a person’s children in the course of a comment.
First of all, the reference would have to refer to real children, and second of all, it would have to be a negative reference. Mine was neither. Third, mambochicken felt no need to apologize. Is he not your arbiter for all that is right and righteous?

“Anyone”

So, you’re including yourself in that, Frank?

(Hey, if you’re going to make a case out of typs (“hit man”), then your grammar is fair game.)

You have proven to my satisfaction that you are cowardly, inept, uneducated and narrow minded — the very things you claim to despise in others. It’s called self-loathing.

Oh! You ARE talking to yourself.

Yes. Shame on him who would mention a person’s children in the course of a comment. Clearly the proper course is to immediately apologize. Or is that only wrong when it’s someone else doing it?

No, I think you’ve picked up on a word or phrase and run with it thinking it’s the position everyone is taking.

Hard to remember with all of the comments that have been made but, mambo, duros, Zython, Jaim, Jodi, did any of you say abortion = murder? I though it was only brought up as a hypothetical “Well, if abortion is to be considered murder then shouldn’t the standard penalties for murderers apply?”

And now Frank has taken that as we all do indeed think abortion is murder?

I stated you were right about one small, tangential piece of what you said, Frank. Don’t start acting as if you’ve convinced someone of your central argument.