’)There are problems with ACORN. Though they cater to a completely different clientele they share corporate America’s problem of attracting some unscrupulous people. Sure, the scale of corruption is proportionally way smaller, but as Jon Stewart pointed out last night, ACORN has oodles of fail onboard.
That said, the righties seem to have once again been caught in some overreach. In the most recent pimp video from Andrew Bretibart’s little sting operation, the righties threw up their red sirens over the apparent confession of a murder from the ACORN employee.
Here’s what ACORN says:
When the actors approached Ms. Kaelke with their provocative costuming and outlandish scenario, she could not take them seriously. So she met their outrageousness with her own personal style of outrageousness. She matched their false scenario with her own false scenarios.
“They were not believable”, said Ms. Kaelke of the two actors. “Somewhat entertaining, but they weren’t even good actors. I didn’t know what to make of them. They were clearly playing with me. I decided to shock them as much as they were shocking me. Like Stephan Colbert does – saying the most outrageous things with a straight face.” While her sense of humor might not be funny to many people, the fact is that she spun false scenario after false scenario and the videographer ate them up.
For example, in response to the set-up by the filmmakers in which they say they are trying get the young woman away from her abusive pimp, she responds that she was abused by her former husband as well (true) and that she shot and killed him (false). He is very much alive and living near Barstow, CA.
However, this is taken as the gospel truth, not just in the film itself, but also by several “news” personalities, indicating that no journalistic standards were applied to making the video or vetting it for broadcast.
And here’s a report from the San Bernadino police department:
An undercover video reportedly filmed in the San Bernardino office for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) was recently released on the Internet. The film depicts a worker talking about her past involvement in prostitution and the alleged self- defense killing of her former husband.The San Bernardino Police Department is investigating the claims made regarding
the homicide. From the initial investigation conducted, the claims do not appear to be factual. Investigators have been in contact with the involved party’s known former husbands, who are alive and well.
Of course when the video popped, righties didn’t apply their b.s.-filters and like when Cheney said Iraq would greet us as liberators, just assumed all was as it appeared.
>> James O’Keefe and Fox News Promote Fake ACORN Murder Confession
Oh, but call Michelle Malkin a race-baiting liar and WATCH the wingnut comments flow in.
Oh, but call Michelle Malkin a race-baiting liar and WATCH the wingnut comments flow in.
Indeed. It doesn’t matter if it’s true. It’s the repetition, the attention, muddying the waters, etc. Same old, same old.
Check out Dennis’s demonstrably and unambiguously odious hero, here. Some good comments (check out the cartoon) in there too.
Well that sounds reasonable. Perhaps an unwise thing to do, considering the outcome, but understandable, and funny in a perverse way.
(1) The film makers made no representations about the truth of Kaelke’s statements or her credibility. They’ve had plenty of time to vet her story and I can assure that they’re withholding what they know for a reason.
(2) Her “husband”? She was married at 15 in the early 1960s and then again in 1983. She said she committed the murder when she was 35, in the 1970s. The ex the cops spoke to was the second husband. If you’re going to accuse someone of poor vetting, you should do some basic research yourself.
(3) Presumably it’s your contention that she didn’t run a $15,000 a week escort service? So go on the record with that.
(4) Gullibility? You actually believe people make up the sort of stories Kaelke did when they think they’re being set up? LOL
Indeed, I thought this was a particularly insightful comment:
This is how we should respond to all of these overblown, race-baiting incidents – put the focus right back where it belongs, on the odious behavior of Rush, Malkin, et al.
Shorter ACORN: “Who you gonna believe, me or your lyin’ eyes?”
Oh, yeah… welcome to the party, Oliver. Only seconds behind Charlie Gibson, Katie Couric and the New York Times. Great timing.
Admitting that you condone dishonesty, Southern Quaker. Not very professorial, but considering how you guys are condoning the wreaking stench coming out the corrupt Obama-shilling organization that is ACORN, pretty much par for the course.
That what you say is how you should respond is exactly how you do respond when there is any kind of racist incident or any kind of murder by someone on the far-out fringes; blame the usual conservative bogeymen.
It’s classless, gutless, and deceitful. The race-baiting you guys do here is every bit as responsible for that bus incident as the blame you put on all conservatives when you use some idiot’s poster that you decode as having a racist dog-whistle element to it.
And whatever joy you get out of anyone being alarmed that a woman who tells someone how she can help them bring 13 year old immigrants into the US for a prostitution operation and how they can be aided by ACORN for housing and tax evasion, that she once murdered her husband in cold blood and got away with it, it’s pretty bizarre of you compare it to anything Dick Cheney ever said. That’s not even out of left field; it’s out of the stadium and 50 miles down the interstate.
The race-baiting you guys do here…
Such as…? Your argument could stand some bolstering with a few examples.
And how is what “[we] guys do here” worse than what your hero, the demonstrably and unambiguously odious Rush Limbaugh does on the public airwaves, with millions of impressionable listeners. (See link above.)
Admitting that you condone dishonesty, Southern Quaker.
SQ did not such thing. SQ said,
All SQ wants to do is let the demonstrably and unambiguously odious behavior of your heroes speak for itself. I agree. That’s why I specifically address what’s written (by either side) instead of speculating with bullshit LookOverThere nonsense. Try it sometime.
Ollie brings up the most important point of all, ACORN is a corrupt, fraudulent, even criminal organization. That the specific crime he gleefully referrs to may not have been true does nothing to burnish the reputation of this criminal organization. In a less PC sensitive world we might see successful RICO prosecutions against ACORN.
LookOverThere bullshit is bringing up the bus incident as it pertains to your favorite foil when the thread is about ACORN, Indeed.
Idiot. You lack the common sense to even recognize that on only the second post of a thread, you had already diverted the topic.
Indeed, in several posts, Oliver has inexplicably attributed opposition to Obama’s policies with the fact that the President is black. For example, this one from 3 days ago:
http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/09/13/photos-teabaggers-in-the-wild/
Ollie brings up the most important point of all, ACORN is a corrupt, fraudulent, even criminal organization.
There certainly seem to be some corrupt and fraudulent people in Acorn, but then the same is true of the Republican Party, isn’t it? Let’s ban it!
Nobody plays the race card as often as Ollie.
Seven Democratic Senators actually voted to continue federal funding for Obama’s corrupt organization. Two of them from Chicago. Liberals continue to look the other way and ignore their history of voter fraud, for which they are under investigation for.
Shameful.
The Democratic moral compass remains pointed straight down.
O-Dub writes in the blog post:
The first two comments, noting this overreach theme:
Dennis can’t seem to accept this. He can’t defend his demonstrably and unambiguously odious hero in this thread, so he attempts to deflect with LookOverHere bulljive. Southern Quaker’s relevant and sensible comment,
rings truer than ever.
Dennis, come on now, you can’t stray to one side when talking about the garbage sitting in and coming out of the Capitol. There’s a good reason a strong percentage of Americans would oust the entire Congress and start over if they could (I’m one of them). I’d also like to ban all of them from ever holding a government position again, at any level, but that’s straying off-topic.
I meant to say a strong majority of Americans…
I guess you don’t watch Law & Order, do you? Caught by undercover cops, the perp says, “You think I didn’t know he was a cop? I was just playing along.
If anybody is being played, it’s the American Public .
Try to imagine a similar organization ideologically on the right, with those kinds of scandals — you, and your left wing press supporters , would be screaming for scalps
As far as I know the Republican party continues to operate in all 50 states plus the district.
So does the Democratic Party, Oliver. And they happen to be running the show. On paper, anyway. And seven of your Senators voted to continue funding this abominable excuse of an organization.
Yours, mine and everyone here’s tax dollars, except for Jaim’s, down yet another Democrat-shilling sinkhole.
And we’re racist for being alarmed about it. Or something.
Frank, in the particular case, the police report apparently backs up the claim that it was fictitious.
Admitting that you condone dishonesty, Southern Quaker.
And where did I admit that, exactly? I was referring to the dishonesty be on the part of Limbaugh et al., who want to lay the blame for a school bus fight at the feet of the president, race-baiting it for all it’s worth. Did you go to the link Indeed provided? I’ll quote Rush directly (emphasis mine):
Now explain to me, please, how that is not race baiting, and why my response to it was deceitful?
As for the topic at hand, it’s a bit disingenuous to complain that the ACORN worker was “lying” when she played the “undercover operatives” like a fiddle. That they were gullible enough to fall for her rather outrageous story says more about them than ACORN. Why didn’t they report the “murder” to the police immediately? At the very least, it would have saved them quite a bit of embarrassment.
“He is very much alive and living near Barstow, CA”
Anyone who has Been to Barstow, CA would not use live and Barstow in the same sentance.
Caught by undercover cops, the perp says, “You think I didn’t know he was a cop? I was just playing along.
1. These weren’t undercover cops. They were actors, and apparently rather poor ones at that.
2. The subsequent police investigation showed that the woman’s husband is alive and well. So the actual evidence supports her claim that she was playing with them.
And we’re racist for being alarmed about it. Or something.
No, Lookie, you’re racist for endorsing this dogshit . More here.
We’ll keep pointing this out, Birther Dennis, even if you’ll keep on pretending it’s not there and playing LookOverHere for Children. Because as anyone remotely reality based in Knoxville (or anywhere else) will tell you, it’s important.
Do you honestly think the fact that this scuzzball woman wasn’t telling the truth when she said she offed her husband in cold murder and people were shocked to hear that on tape is the bigger story here, Southern Quaker. That this is only one of four so far tapes of this kind of aiding and abetting serious crimes and the fact that the State-Controlled Media has largely ignored it is not the bigger issue? Condoning it on grounds that you believe ACORN when they say this woman was just playing along is yes, dishonest of you. Maybe the two kids, who aren’t professionals at this in any way, didn’t really believe her either. Maybe they thought when the tapes were released it would all come out anyway and whatever proper authorities that needed to investigate would do that. But that part of it is immaterial and I would think as someone charged with influencing young people’s mind that you would agree, and not try to make this out into anything Rush Limbaugh said about the horrible bus incident as having to do with trying to blame everything on Barack Obama. That’s just pure partisan cover-up for someone who is supposed to be objective and concerned with uncovering the truth.
Or one would think.
That the specific crime he gleefully referrs to may not have been true does nothing to burnish the reputation of this criminal organization.
“Fake but accurate?” That has a familiar ring to it.
Try to imagine a similar organization ideologically on the right, with those kinds of scandals — you, and your left wing press supporters , would be screaming for scalps
That sorta did happen but the money mysteriously continues to flow.
In other words;
Killing brown people overseas = Good.
Enabling minorities here = Bad.
Suicidal: “Anyone who has Been to Barstow, CA would not use live and Barstow in the same sentance.”
Ha! So true.
SQ: “The subsequent police investigation showed that the woman’s husband is alive and well. So the actual evidence supports her claim that she was playing with them.”
Quaker, you know better than to try to reason with Frank. The guy has the reading comprehension skills of a third-grader, the critical thinking skills of a sea otter, the lunacy of a paranoid schizophrenic, and a prostate the size of a basketball.
…is the bigger story here, Southern Quaker…
If I may be so bold to since I asked too, Southern Quaker asked you a specific question about something you wrote about SQ:
Per the thread above (I shouldn’t have to quote more, it’s all in this thread, but I will if you need me to). Care to address that, Dennis, or can we expect more LookOverHere! false equivalence? I’m not holding my breath.
But that part of it is immaterial
The fact that she did not actually murder anyone seems to be entirely material to me, Dennis. In point of fact that this is not a case of “aiding and abetting serious crimes.” Did she or did she not murder her husband? I’m not just taking ACORN’s word for it – the police say she did not and I tend to trust them in this matter. Why, then, is she a scuzzball? Because she took the mickey out of a couple of two-bit actors?
As for the rest of ACORNS “crimes,” I’ve haven’t really been paying that much attention. There are some incidents of voter fraud which have been addressed. I know of exactly one video tape that purportedly shows a crime being discussed. I’m not a big fan of these “gotcha” tactics – on either side of the political spectrum – because they reek to me of entrapment. Are some ACORN employees engaging in criminal acts? Probably. If so the individuals involved should be prosecuted. Period.
There, does that put you at ease? Is it safe for me to teach young adults again?
ACORN just isn’t that damned important. And yeah, when Rushbo racebaits that blatantly, I think it needs addressing.
not try to make this out into anything Rush Limbaugh said about the horrible bus incident as having to do with trying to blame everything on Barack Obama. That’s just pure partisan cover-up
I’m not making it up, Dennis. Rush’s words speak for themselves. And he is blaming a case of school bus bullying which was not racially motivated on the fact that Barack Obama is in the white house. Somehow or another the fact that a black man is in the White House means that our white children are no longer safe at school.
How can you even pretend to condone such a thing?
Liberals continue to look the other way and ignore their history of voter fraud, for which they are under investigation for.
Yes, I understand that when there was a Republican congress and a Republican justice department and a Republican president there were quite a few investigations into that issue but then something happened which I can’t quite recall … oh yeah, the republican-appointed US attorneys couldn’t find a case that wasn’t bullshit. There were so unsuccessful in doing this that many of them were fired and replaced with political hacks for the express purposes of pursing such cases, and they still couldn’t come up with dick.
“Voter fraud” is Republican code for “keep blacks (and other non-republican constituencies) from voting.” The war against Acorn is all about fear that someday the voting population will be a demographic mirror of the total population. If that were ever to happen, the repbulican party would turn into a rump of its already rumpy self.
Congratulations to the video folks on catching some acorn workers who needed to be fired. They’ve been fired. But unless you’ve got some evidence that they were acting on official acorn guidelines, can the faux outrage, we all know where it’s coming from.
Here, Southern Quaker:
ACORN Prostitution Scandal
Watch the tape and be amazed. Aiding and abetting a child prostitution ring. Disgusting. The amount of money they’ve been given, our tax money, makes this damned important. Far more important than what Rush said about the white kid who got the shit beat out of him with the rest of the bus’s passengers cheering it on, for whom no one here yet seems at all the least bit concerned about. The kid is just collateral damage for a cause much bigger than him. Bashing Rush Limbaugh.
Nice.
Let me be clear: I think we can all agree that the San Bernadino PD “acted stupidly”, just like every other racist police department in America.
“And he is blaming a case of school bus bullying which was not racially motivated on the fact that Barack Obama is in the white house”
Racial motivation for criminal acts appears to be in the eye of the beholder. You know how to impartially interpret numbers numbers SQ. What parameters would you use to quantify racial motivation in criminal acts?
Here, Southern Quaker:
So more LookOverHere! and still no answer to SQ’s specific question to something specific you wrote about SQ:
It’s almost as if there’s a pattern.
Another example of race-baiting for you, Indeed.
Racial motivation for criminal acts appears to be in the eye of the beholder.
In this case it’s in the eye of the school administration and police, both of which deny that the incident was racially motivated, based on interviews with both the victim and witnesses.
Of course I feel sorry for the kid who was beaten up. School bullying is a huge problem in this country, which my son has been victim to (although fortunately not physical bullying). But Republicans don’t seem to be interested in bullying unless they can make political hay out of it.
I’m asking a simple question: Were Rush’s comments out of line or not?
Another example of race-baiting for you, Indeed.
Right. That anonymous blog comment is soooooo much worse than Limbaugh, Malkin, et al all over the radio and TV. So much worse. Thanks for providing yet another example of Right Wing False Equivalence, Buzz Killington.
I’m asking a simple question: Were Rush’s comments out of line or not?
Best of luck getting an answer to that simple, direct, relevant question. The demonstrably and unambiguously odious Rush Limbaugh is Dennis’s hero. Really. Look it up.
Aiding and abetting a child prostitution ring. Disgusting.
I agree, it is disgusting and those involved should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Which is, I believe, what I said before.
Now, do you have any evidence that ACORN as an organization is involved in child prostitution? I know of exactly two voter fraud cases that have gone to the grand jury, and in both of those cases ACORN cooperated fully with the investigations. What other evidence do you have that ACORN – as a whole – is a criminal organization? Because that seems to be where you’re going with this whole “we’ve given them all this tax payer money” thing. So I just presume you have evidence for massive fraud and money laundering? Drug smuggling? Puppy mills?
Seriously?
Don’t ask questions you don’t want answered.
Cons pounced on ACORN for the crime of wanting people that aren’t white to be able to vote
Don’t ask questions you don’t want answered.
Got it. What is your real name, address, social security number, and bank account number(s)?
Seriously? Getting a straight answer out of Dennis is comically impossible. Why do you think I (and others) ask? Besides the unintentional comedy, I mean.
Possibly. The original report from the police chief was that it was racially motivated. I used to live in St.. Louis, and the race situation was terrible there, as terrible as anywhere I’ve ever lived. I have no idea what caused it and Rush shouldn’t have jumped the gun. But very little holds you guys back from jumping the gun, either, Southern Quaker. You only need to go back to the Gates/ Crowley incident and read the commments here to make that determination, and forgive me if I’m wrong about this, but I seem to recall you were not one then to exercise caution with the racism tag on Crowley.
Do you believe Jimmy Carter’s comments were out of line? Is this not fanning the same flames of racial discord in this country? I think Barack Obama has done a great deal to stay out of these types of things, but he hasn’t told people like Carter to just STFU, nor the liberal blogs, nor every liberal media outlet that tries so hard to paint conservatives with the same broad racist brush. I think that’s what Limbaugh was referring to with ‘Barack Obama’s America’, just from the link that Indeed provided, but I haven’t read the whole transcript, so I’m hesitant to comment further. That, and it is off-topic.
Right, jr. 83-7 vote in the Senate to cut off funding. 83 racist Senators. Seven of them too chickenshit or corrupt to do the right thing. Start writing the letters to all of them right now.
And you said the same thing about Van Jones.
For the record I find it hilarious that a fake news show is probably the most centered news on TV.
I think that’s what Limbaugh was referring to with ‘Barack Obama’s America’, just from the link that Indeed provided, but I haven’t read the whole transcript, so I’m hesitant to comment further.
Unintentionally funny on so many levels. Quasi-reminiscent of Jon Swift’s Amazon Reviews. “I think…” Heh.
That, and it is off-topic.
Nope, it’s too damn easy.
I do love how really weak Obama is, Wright, thown overboard, Jones, overboard, Acorn, overboard.
I would hate to be with Obama in a big fight, he is the type to lock me out of the car.
Glenn Beck, is kicking his ass.
Possibly. The original report from the police chief was that it was racially motivated.
Possibly? Possibly?!? Jeez Dennis, have a little self-respect. Even if the bus fight were racially motivated, Rush’s comments were out of line.
I think Barack Obama has done a great deal to stay out of these types of things, but he hasn’t told people like Carter to just STFU, nor the liberal blogs, nor every liberal media outlet that tries so hard to paint conservatives with the same broad racist brush.
You think that’s what he was referring to? It’s not enough for Obama to stay out of the fray, he has to tell Jimmy Carter to STFU or the blacks are going to come after our children? Let me remind you what exactly Rush said:
Do you not see that Rush is harkening back to the worst paranoia of the Jim Crow era, that if the blacks get too uppity they will start attacking our children and raping our wives? It’s unconscionable.
It’s unconscionable.
Indeed. But that’s SOP for Dennis’s hero.
Imus lost his job (at least temporarily) for an ill-conceived, tasteless joke. What will happen to Rush?
Imus lost his job (at least temporarily) for an ill-conceived, tasteless joke. What will happen to Rush?
Rush will get even more support from Dennis and Rush’s many other jingoistic, simple-minded, deluded minions. More attention from National Review, Fox News, Brian Williams, David Brooks, etc should follow (shit, he is the de facto leader of the Republican Party). I hope I’m wrong, but Limbaugh, as with Imus, has a long history of this garbage, he’s just never been called out for it by the media cowards (he’s “controversial”). He makes Father Coughlin look like a piker.
Southern Quaker-
Dissent = racism. Not a day nor a thread goes by here where someone doesn’t equate the two. Dissent is by the whites against a black president, so it is therefore racist. Every day. All day.
That is promoted here. Do you think that is helping or hurting improve race relations in America? Are race relations better or worse? I voted for Obama in my state primary, but not in the general election. I thought though that it was great to have a black president, that Obama was a good and decent guy, and that race relations would be greatly improved, but they are not. You want to blame one side and one side only, and that whole side. I think your side shoulders much of the blame too. Simple as that. But I don’t blame it on Obama, and I don’t think Rush Limbaugh should either.
Ugh.
DA: Home invaders’ruse involved Obama, health care
Not a day nor a thread goes by here where someone doesn’t equate the two.
So a bunch of examples would be easy to call up.
And one can’t help but wonder if Racism = Racism. (See Limbaugh, Rush.)
Dennis,
I don’t believe dissent = racism, any more than I believe dissent is unpatriotic or makes one a terrorist sympathizer. Neither do I believe that all of the opposition to Obama’s policies are based on race. FWIW, I think any Democratic president is likely to be called a socialist these days by the right, as ridiculous as it is seeing that the vast majority of Democratic politicians have more in common with Bush, Sr. than with Fidel Castro.
However, I do think some of the hysteria and anger directed at this particular president is due, in part, to his race. (I don’t think a white president would have had to deal with endless issues around his birth certificate, for example. Do you?) And I firmly believe that folks like Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, and Dobbs are stoking a nasty racial undercurrent in the debate. Whether they themselves are racist, or are just making political hay out of the situation doesn’t really matter. The end result is the same.
I also don’t feel I have to answer for every over-the-top comment made by a liberal to Oliver’s blog. In the end, I do what we all do – I comment on whatever I feel like commenting on.
No, Indeed, Dissent is the highest form of racism. (See, Liberals, Modern Day. Jan. 20, 2009- present )
Thanks, SQ.
Don’t disagree all that much with you on anything other than a few minor nitpickings not worth mentioning. Sorry to imply you condoned dishonesty, too. I wish both sides could both chillthefuckout with regards to race, but it doesn’t look like it’s going to happen any time soon, sadly. Evidently both sides seem to think they have to use it as a defense mechanism, but they both think the other side is using it for offensive purposes.
No, Indeed, Dissent is the highest form of racism. (See, Liberals, Modern Day. Jan. 20, 2009- present )
Again with the examples!
Some good stuff here. For some reason, black people don’t, as a rule, care for Dennis’s hero. At all. I wonder why. I, for one, hope Dennis does not choose to explain that one.
Atrios:
Also. Your modern Republican Party.
And more from Atrios:
Evidently both sides seem to think they have to use it as a defense mechanism, but they both think the other side is using it for offensive purposes.
Ah, yes, the “Look at me, I’m above this partisan bickering; both sides do it, so I’ll just wring my hands and pretend that one side isn’t, demonstrably, worse than the other” dodge. Classic.
Maxine Waters: Media Should Probe the “Birthers & Teabaggers” at Rallies
Idiot Congresswoman maturely refers to dissenters as racist ‘teabaggers’. Says they should be probed…. for carrying signs!
Says that it’s not enough for African-Americans to levy allegations of racism against the right-leaning protesters, and that the media must look into their views.
Dissent = Racism. Your modern Democratic Party.
Allegations of racism are not enough. Interrogate these racist neanderthals!
She knows how the game is played. This will make her a hero.
Dissent = Racism
Heh. Self-parody (Dennis) imitates parody (The Editors) imitates self-parody (Pantload). Go figure. (Parens added for the ironically impaired. (Dennis))
Allegations of racism are not enough. Interrogate these racist neanderthals!
Shorter Dennis: There was no racism at the Teabagger Rally, therefore it should not be investigated. Obama’s the real racist.
When old white people scream “I want my country back” it’s not that hard to decipher what they mean.
They want it to be like it was when they were children, when it was just lily white faces on Main Street, when you didn’t have to press 1 for English, when white kids could beat up the black kids and not worry about any repercussions.
For generations, the south has feared the great negro uprising, and in 2008 all their worst fears came to surface. We elected a black man with a muslim name.
And ever since then, they have tried to paint him as the Other, a non American, Muslim, socialcommiefascist, terrorist, usurper, traitor, elitist, racist, etc etc.
And the more they do it, the more they realize nothing sticks, and the crazier they become. The more vile the language, the more overt their racism becomes.
This is what you get when you base an entire political movement based on fear. All these idiots know how to do is react with extremism. They aren’t rational, thoughtful people; these dummies believe anything Glen Beck tells them w/o ever questioning it. They are the modern peasants.
Yeah, Burn, investigate everyone who didn’t vote for the black man on suspicion of racist viewpoints. Use your magic decoder rings to decipher what you think their views really mean.
You’re a complete idiot and a moron, Burn.
Jackboot fascists.
“Looks Like the Cons Fell For Another One?”
Looks Like ACORN Is On Its Heels Again
Maybe you can tell me what the angry old white people mean Dennis, when they say ‘I want my country back’
Back from who? Was it taken from them or something? They had the country for a long time. Maybe they should have enjoyed it more often. Now that it’s gone from them it seems that much more desirable. Too bad they have to now live in Obama’s forced detention facilities staffed by gay ACORN members who took away all their guns, Fox News, and gave their daughters birth control before they forced their abortions.
Or maybe, they lost an important and historic election and still cannot come to terms with it?
It’s like watching children throw temper tantrums over the inevitably reality of having to go to bed at 9PM. They know they have to, but they sure aren’t going quietly or easily.
Frank DiSalle: I guess you don’t watch Law & Order, do you? Caught by undercover cops, the perp says, “You think I didn’t know he was a cop? I was just playing along.
What a non-sensical irrelevant comment. In this particular case it’s already been shown that the “perp” was just playing along.
Unless you’re aruging that “everyone knows in this situation everyone always lies” and therefore we should condemn everyone out of hand, actual evidence of innocence be damned.
(BTW, waiting for your reply to my olive branch, Frank. Care to bury the hatchet and move on, or keep this continually coming up?)
Burn, I saw, read and listened to temper tantrums for the last eight years solid. Close to nine years actually if you consider the wailing and gnashing of teeth that was the Florida recount.
If you condone interrogations for anyone you think holds racist viewpoints, including someone that holds a sign that says “I want my country back”, then state that. You seem horrified that anyone would disagree with their president’s intended policies all of a sudden.
So to clear this whole thing up once and for all, according to the peanut gallery here, there is no such thing as racism, and if there “somehow” is, it’s all Obama’s fault for being elected in the first place.
Dennis, the year is 2009 mmmkay? Think you can keep up? We’re not talking about anti-war protesters from 2003. We’re talking about teabaggers on parade, ok? Bush is gone. Obama is the president. Onward…
And did I ever once condone investigating anyone for their votes? Fuck no I didn’t. Nice of you to jump to that conclusion.
People can hold their “I am a bitter impotent old white man with nothing better to do with my time” signs all they want. Hell, I just sit back and laugh my ass off at their stupidity and unabashed ignorance.
Fair enough, Burn. I must admit, I get enough chuckles myself reading how you guys come up with your magic decoder ring theories to tie every dissenting viewpoint back to racism. Some of your contortions are actually very amusing, like one of those performers in Cirque de Soleil.
And I guess the bitter old frigid Maxine Waters can spout out her liberal jackboot fascist rants all she wants to, too. I’ll just sit back and laugh my ass off at her stupidity and unabashed ignorance as well.
There’s a decoder ring, no one told this, how do I get one! LOL
BREAKING: More ACORN Videos To Be Revealed
Dominoes.
Watching the wingnuts go after ACORN is like some dumb old dog that wants to catch the bus, and ends up with the tailpipe thinking he slayed the beast.
Dress as a pimp and walk down to your local ACORN or SEIU office, Impaler. Do you still have any of your grandmother’s chinchilla overcoats and some way cool sunglasses?
LMAO, I am on it! Seriously, I will get a video of someone (not me) asking for a decoder ring, this will be totally funny, I have commercials’ in production, and will ask the crew for Mic and hidden cameras; I just found an Acorn office within 10 minutes of my office.
Oliver, seriously if I do it, this is the only place I blog, if we post it here, this blog would grow HUGE! Nothing political in video just asking for the ACORN decoder ring. It would be a funny.
Burn, I saw, read and listened to temper tantrums for the last eight years solid.
Yes, indeed. When ACTUAL laws were being broken and ACTUAL rights were being violated. And you had NO problem with that, did you?
I will get a video of someone (not me) asking for a decoder ring, this will be totally funny,
Oh no no no, please spare us any flat, forced attempts at conservative humor.
Oh Burn, lighten up, my favs are Montey Python, and Benny Hill, and of course Family guy. Perhaps you should check them out.
Yes, indeed. When ACTUAL laws were being broken and ACTUAL rights were being violated. And you had NO problem with that, did you?
Ask me when charges are brought, evidence heard, witnesses testify, and any convictions are handed down, Duros, and I’ll tell you what I had a problem with.
Where are we with any of that stuff, anyway? I thought you guys were cheering not that long ago that Cheney was going to jail.
Shorter Dennis: Torture is awesome! Invading Iraq on false pretenses was awesome!
Family Guy sucks, Python and Hill, okee dokee
Ask me when charges are brought, evidence heard, witnesses testify, and any convictions are handed down, Duros, and I’ll tell you what I had a problem with.
Oh, I know exactly what you’d have a problem with; Charges brought, evidence heard, witness testimony and any convictions of your beloved George W. & Co. How DARE anyone question he who shall not be named?!
“Yeah, Burn, investigate everyone who didn’t vote for the black man on suspicion of racist viewpoints. Use your magic decoder rings to decipher what you think their views really mean.”
Investigate? Who said that? Is criticizing people’s actions and statements OK with you Dennis? Or is free speech only a right of the right?
Burn is bang on with his take on the teabagger nonsense. This “I want my country back” nonsense implies it was taken unfairly Well, welcome to democracy wingnuts. More people voted for the guy you don’t like.
There’s no question in my mind there’s racist overtones to this stuff. It doesn’t take a decoder ring as you so snidely put it. It should be obvious to all but the completely self deluded. Take your contry back from whom? The “Other” that stole it from you? Via a landslide election?
Dennis: BREAKING: More ACORN Videos To Be Revealed
Dominoes.
I heard somewhere (so it must be true because, y’know, I heard it somewhere) that there are over 40 hours of videos surreptitiously taken at various ACORN offices. And so far about, what, under an hour have been generally released? 2-3%.
Yeah, most of the folks shown the folks shown were bad (the lady who had the videotapers on was not one of them) and ACORN was good to get rid of them promptly. But how many folks did they tape who did NOT do anything wrong? Why not show everything to provide a full view into how ACORN dealt with them?
Or are we to just accept (because, y’know, we heard it somewhere so it must be true because we heard it somewhere) that 2-3% is fully representative of 100%.
Dennis: Ask me when charges are brought, evidence heard, witnesses testify, and any convictions are handed down, Duros, and I’ll tell you what I had a problem with.
So until charges are brought, evidence heard, witnesses testify, and convictions are handed down you won’t have anything critical to say of the Obama administration or Dem Congress?
Or is this one of those double-standard things?
Or are we to just accept (because, y’know, we heard it somewhere so it must be true because we heard it somewhere) that 2-3% is fully representative of 100%.
Why do I get the feeling the majority of the other 97% is of ACORN workers laughing their asses off? Did you SEE that guy? If your a pimp, sonny, I’m Opie Taylor.
The philosopher Sidney Hook observed some years ago that spurious charges of racism, far from making us more sensitive to the real thing, have the effect of dulling us to genuine instances of racism. “As morally offensive as is the expression of racism wherever it is found,” Hook wrote,
S M: I asked that it be ended before the thread scrolled out of sight, and before the owner of the blog – remember him? – asked me to end it. I thought you had received the same email. Perhaps I was wrong.
It is ended.
Frank, I saw OW’s email only a short while ago and have already replied to him. To wit: I appreciate having a place to comment and don’t want to abuse the privilege. As it’s his blog, happy to abide by his wishes.
However, respecting Oliver’s wishes doesn’t in the least change my opinion of you.
There are problems with ACORN.
And the ‘Understatement of the Year’ award goes to Oliver Willis.
You have people working for this organization (already the subject of numerous voter fraud cases) that were actively seeking to help people engage in the practice of sex slavery.
That’s not a “problem” Oliver.
With what we’ve seen so far, it wouldn’t be all that difficult for a good prosecuting attorney to make a RICO case against this organization of crooks and thankfully a RICO investigation is being pushed. We’ll see if Eric Holder is as concerned about this as he is in seemingly waning to prosecute CIA agents.
And ACORN can’t keep their lies straight. In one instance they said Kaelke didn’t take them seriously, but elsewhere they said she made the claims she did because she “feared for her safety.”
It’s a good thing the mainstream media is finally starting to….oh wait. They’re not. I wonder why that is?
Do you not see that Rush is harkening back to the worst paranoia of the Jim Crow era, that if the blacks get too uppity they will start attacking our children and raping our wives? It’s unconscionable.
Yeah, that’s unconscionable but yet blaming Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly and other radio talk show hosts and television hosts for people engaging in acts of violence is perfectly ok in the same world of those who are “outraged” about Rush saying what he did.
I have to be completely honest. I don’t agree with what Limbaugh said at all, but I’m not shedding tears over it. The left has been doing this since the day Obama was elected and will continue to do so. Now they’re getting a taste of their own medicine with this incident and the murder of a pro-life activist. Oh well. You reap what you sow.
Maybe you can tell me what the angry old white people mean Dennis, when they say ‘I want my country back’
Hilarious. The left for 8 years has been saying, “I want my country back.”
Somebody says it when Barack Obama is President and it becomes “RACIST!!!”
Man, this is getting lame.
Now they’re getting a taste of their own medicine with this incident and the murder of a pro-life activist.
Was the gravel pit owner a pro-life activist too?
It’s a good thing the mainstream media is finally starting to….oh wait. They’re not. I wonder why that is?
Could it be because the “evidence” was collected surreptitiously by people with an obvious agenda?
You have people working for this organization (already the subject of numerous voter fraud cases) that were actively seeking to help people engage in the practice of sex slavery.
Of course, Jay has NEVER been wrong about ANYTHING before. Got any proof?
I love how the ultra-cons are calling the San Bernadino police liars. Why do you guys hate law enforcement so much?
New ACORN video:
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Obama.
ACORN.
Dominoes.
I love how the ultra-cons are calling the San Bernadino police liars.
Whose calling them liars?
Could it be because the “evidence” was collected surreptitiously by people with an obvious agenda?
Right, as if the ACORN people would have said what they did if somebody walked in with a huge camera and said, “Hey, can you admit to some criminal activity please?”
I guess we shouldn’t worry though. ACORN has demanded an internal investigation. I’m sure they’ll get to the bottom of all of this!
Yeah well, I’m sure Breitbart and his actors are providing a “fair and balanced” presentation of everything they taped. I mean, we can trust them, right?
BTW, just what, exactly, is this whole exercise supposed to prove? That if you show up at ACORN in a frat boy “ghetto party” costume and start telling outlandish stories, they don’t automatically call the cops?
I think this thread is pretty fair indication of there not being a whole to attack Breitbart with, Quibbie. The fact that this lady said on tape that she shot her husband when she didn’t is about all OW has with the full disposal of Media Matters at his disposal.
And to dispel a bit of misinformation that ACORN seems to be attempting to spread around, no, these two didn’t go to a hundred different offices in order to get these now four tapes.
Not only has the Senate voted to cut off funding by a vote margin of 83-7, now the White House is distancing themselves from ACORN. Which is kind of laughable.
And also, Fox News, Glenn Beck, Breitbart and these two wunderkinds are getting the scoop of the year.
Fox News,… trusted by more Democrats than the New York Times, according to Pew Research, Quibbie.
Imagine that.
The times they are a-changin’.
Yeah well, I’m sure Breitbart and his actors are providing a “fair and balanced” presentation of everything they taped. I mean, we can trust them, right?
Yeah, I’m sure they’re lying.
BTW, just what, exactly, is this whole exercise supposed to prove?
Oh I don’t know. Maybe that this organization has a bunch of criminals working for them engaging in criminal behavior and collecting taxpayer dollars while doing so.
I have to say that I find it astounding that you’re more concerned about Andrew Breitbart, James O’Keefe and Hannah Giles than you are about an organization that hires people who try to dispense advice on how to engage in CHILD PROSTITUTION.
No, that’s not a problem. Somebody dressing up in a “ghetto party” outfits is the problem.
I have to say that I find it astounding that you’re more concerned about Andrew Breitbart, James O’Keefe and Hannah Giles than you are about an organization that hires people who try to dispense advice on how to engage in CHILD PROSTITUTION.
Any indication that such advice was ever offered to anyone other than the clown show?
I think this thread is pretty fair indication of there not being a whole to attack Breitbart with, Quibbie.
Attack? There’s no attack. I’m just saying he has an agenda and I don’t trust him to tell the parts of the story that don’t support his point of view.
The House just voted 345-73 to cut off funding for ACORN.
Any indication that such advice was ever offered to anyone other than the clown show?
No, and what difference does it make? Some guy where I live shot and killed his estranged wife without any indication that he tried to shoot and kill somebody other than his estranged wife.
No, and what difference does it make?
The ACORN employees were placed in an entirely artificial situation by people acting in bizarre ways trying to elicit a response.
If a naked man wearing a gorilla mask shows up running around in your front yard and you tackle him, does that make you a threat to passers by?
“The House just voted 345-73 to cut off funding for ACORN.” Yep, nothing there, it must be a Democrat witch hunt by Pelosi, How dare she bring this to the floor.
Yea ACORN is a victim, even Pelosi is forced to reject this.
Beck shoots, he scores. LMAO.
Yeah, I’m sure they’re lying.
Well, they are on Fox News, so their credibility is already suspect.
Some guy where I live shot and killed his estranged wife without any indication that he tried to shoot and kill somebody other than his estranged wife.
Another law-abiding gun owner, no doubt. I mean, the way you say that; No big deal.
I mean, is the point supposed to be that helping weirdly dressed couples who claim to be in the prostitution game is business as usual at ACORN?
For those who haven’t seen the videos, here are the pimp and madam.
Quaker, if they where dressed like that and people in the ACORN offices still talked to them, well, it just shows how stupid some in those offices are. Plus Hannah Giles is hot, nothing to do with the post, just good marketing.
if they where dressed like that and people in the ACORN offices still talked to them, well, it just shows how stupid some in those offices are.
If the people in the ACORN offices believed their story, then yes, I agree that requires an extraordinary gullibility.
I mean, is the point supposed to be that helping weirdly dressed couples who claim to be in the prostitution game is business as usual at ACORN?
Honestly, Quaker. 345-73. That should answer your question right there. AOCRN is toxic right now.
Either that, or we have 345 racist Congress critters and 83 racist Senators, no?
Honestly, Quaker. 345-73. That should answer your question right there.
If you think that’s the answer, apparently you misunderstood the question.
Where’s the MSM? Where’s the MSM? Where’s the MSM? Where’s the…
Um…never mind.
My rep was one of the 75. I’ll be sending a campaign contribution tonight.
73. Whatevs.
Whose calling them liars?
I think you mean “Who’s”. And the answer is you guys are. You’re pushing the murder story as true after the police debunked it. If that’s not calling them liars, then I don’t know what is.
You’re pushing the murder story as true after the police debunked it.
Uhh…I said nothing about the murder story and nobody else is “pushing” it either.
I mean, is the point supposed to be that helping weirdly dressed couples who claim to be in the prostitution game is business as usual at ACORN?
Who gives a shit what they’re dressed like? And no, the prostitution game may not be business as usual at ACORN, but criminal activity seems to infest a large portion of that organization whether it’s voter fraud, tax evasion or helping to assist in a child prostitution ring.
If the people in the ACORN offices believed their story, then yes, I agree that requires an extraordinary gullibility.
Ok, so they are stupid criminals. Somebody who commits crimes and happens to be dumb is not all that much of a stretch.
My rep was one of the 75.
Good to know you’re represented by a loser.
Good to know you’re represented by a loser.
No, she’s a Democrat.
Who gives a shit what they’re dressed like?
Tell you what. If a couple a people in bad Halloween costumes show up where I work and start talking all sorts of foolishness, the first thing that comes to my mind is not “I should take these people seriously,” or even “Golly I better watch what I say because these might be conservative ‘journalists’ who are going to post a highly edited version of this on the Internet.”
My first thought would be that somebody’s pranking me.
After all their work on this expose, Jay, why are O’Keefe and Giles suddenly “unavailable”?
Zython: You are correct . It should be who’s
I am not pushing anything, except that ACORN is a blot on democracy.
Tell you what. If a couple a people in bad Halloween costumes show up where I work and start talking all sorts of foolishness, the first thing that comes to my mind is not “I should take these people seriously,” or even “Golly I better watch what I say because these might be conservative ‘journalists’ who are going to post a highly edited version of this on the Internet.”
My first thought would be that somebody’s pranking me.
Ok, so the ACORN people are stupid. I’m sorry, but are all criminals supposed to be smart or something? Oh and the videos can be seen in their entirety.
After all their work on this expose, Jay, why are O’Keefe and Giles suddenly “unavailable”?
They’re unavailable to media outlets that simply parroted ACORN’s responses including their lie that O’Keefe and Giles went to “hundreds” of ACORN offices before they found what they did which isn’t true. Having a left wing hack like Joe Conason on to question O’Keefe’s ethics isn’t going to win them over either.
Maybe the media should have listened to Jon Stewart.
They’re unavailable to media outlets that simply parroted ACORN’s responses
Lou Dobbs did that?
Also, it’s pretty funny that you would call anyone else a “hack” when you’re discussing O’Keefe. Were you under the impression that he was doing this to protect Salvadoran 15-year-olds?
They’re unavailable to media outlets that simply parroted ACORN’s responses including their lie that O’Keefe and Giles went to “hundreds” of ACORN offices
That happened on Bill O’Reilly’s show.
Uhh…I said nothing about the murder story and nobody else is “pushing” it either.
That’s half right. Check out here, and here.
[...] – Lastly, I will give the ACORN nonsense exactly the amount of attention it deserves – a few dumb people who work for ACORN did and said some dumb things, and they were promptly fired when it came to light. The right has gone on an anti-ACORN rampage, (I’m talking obsessive) and the congress and federal government are just caving on it all, despite the undisputable fact that ACORN helps a lot of disadvantaged people throughout the country. If you think criticism of tax breaks for the richest 1% of Americans in order to “stimulate the economy” is “class warfare”, this war on ACORN is just as much class warfare as anything. It sounds a lot like the Randian bipolar view of class – where one group constitutes society’s producers and the other are the leeches. You know, ACORN helps poor people. And a lot of inner-city people. I guess in America, that cannot stand. [...]
Also, it’s pretty funny that you would call anyone else a “hack” when you’re discussing O’Keefe. Were you under the impression that he was doing this to protect Salvadoran 15-year-olds?
Why is it funny? He’s an activist filmmaker. I’m sure he didn’t go in with the intent to prove ACORN employees were willing to offer assistance to those looking to form child prostitution rings, but that’s what came out.
Again, it kills me that what your only concern seems to be with what O’Keefe and Giles did and not what employees of ACORN did. It’s hard to keep track of all the criminal investigations ACORN has been under yet you think voting to strip them of federal funding is a bad thing. Unreal.
I’m sure he didn’t go in with the intent to prove ACORN employees were willing to offer assistance to those looking to form child prostitution rings,
What? He went in posing as a pimp!! Of course that was his intent!
Again, it kills me that what your only concern seems to be with what O’Keefe and Giles did and not what employees of ACORN did.
It’s an entirely phony situation. You know, the previous stings on Planned Parenthood (pretending to be an underage girl impregnated by an older man) at least had some plausibility. I can believe that Planned Parenthood offices are visited by real people in that exact situation.
This charade doesn’t work the same way. Are you imagining that ACORN deals with real clients who tell them all about their plans to set up brothels?
If yes, it ought to be pretty easy to identify brothels broken up by police in ACORN funded properties. If no, then O’Keefe might as well have proved that ACORN is willing to offer assistance to the lizard race of Alpha Centauri.
For those who haven’t seen the videos, here are the pimp and madam.
And it just keeps getting funnier every time I see it.
I’m sure he didn’t go in with the intent to prove ACORN employees were willing to offer assistance to those looking to form child prostitution rings, but that’s what came out.
It wasn’t? Could have fooled me. What, then, pray tell, was his intent? Dressed as he was, dragging his girlfriend along, dressed as she was.