Because 40% of the stimulus was tax cuts and people who keep track of stuff like that you know economists, journalists stated that it was the largest tax cut in history with the majority of the cuts in it affecting the middle class in a positive light since a number of them were credits instead of rebates.

So the largest amount of tax cuts for the middle class in history is pork to you conservatives?

Funding for volcano and other disaster monitoring that has been demanded for over a decade by numerous agencies both private and public is pork?

Money spent on roads to repair or improve them is pork? Notice the amount needed to actually repair the US road system is basically a trillion dollars and wouldn’t cost that much if Republicans hadn’t blocked money to repair them instead of just trying to put rubberbands on it.

I could go on and on about how none of this is pork.

OK, if Jay is going to admit he was unclear, especially after we took him a bit to task for it, I’m going to have to recognize that he did that.

It’s playing havoc with my sense of the way things are in the Universe, but sometimes that happens. Tip o the hat to Jay.

Been entertaining Quaker, thanks. We will see where the budget goes from here and see the adjusted number for the truth in the budget, I don’t know probably around April of next year would be my guess for FY2009.

So…Impaler

If you negotiated and signed the contracts and committed for the goods and services, you bet I’d blame you. And the apt comparison wouldn’t be “bounced a check,” it would be “borrowed the money to cover your spending.” As your successor, I don’t get to tell suppliers, “Sorry, we’re not paying.”

On that basis, he doubled the national debt.

If you took over my position as CEO for my company, and i was removed as a signer on January 20th for you to take over, and you bounced a check for 1 trillion dollars, you would still blame me by saying, “hey impaler was CEO during FY2009″, so he is responsible, well you would be laughed out of court.

See my point?

Had 2008 not been an election year, Mr. Bush would have certainly signed the supplementals for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. This is not spending that Mr. Obama added to the debt.

The portion of the stimulus bill that one could reasonably include in the current debt figure is ab out $50 billion. Crediting Mr. Bush for the actions of his predecessor and excusing him for the impact of his policies after his departure both misstate his spending record.

Delta 4,898,681,252,731.51 Total Term in office Bush

This would be way of looking at it, And also factual. Bush did not sign the supplementals Obamba did, during FY2009 this was the point I was making, Bush for instance did not sign the Porkulus bill, Obama did, as one example.

You would be factually accurate. However, you would be wrong to suggest (as you did) that Obama and Congress have added $1.2 trillion in FY2009. Why? Because our government doensn’t budget spending on a make-it-up-as-you-go basis. The 2009 budget was written by Mr. Obama’s predecessor.

The $1.2 trillion added to the national debt in FY2009 is Mr. Bush’s legacy.

The Deficit is the amount of difference between income and spending. I couldn’t tell you what the Deficit is today, but I do BTW take you at face value, you don’t have to say trust me.

So are you saying Obama hasn’t spent money or are we arguing over the amount? But if I said that since Obama was sworn in the national debt has increased by 1.2 trillion it would be factually accurate, or will be by the end of the month.

But this is again one of the reasons I support the tea party movement, the US is on an unsustainable course at some point we are going to fail the acid test more than we are today.

That’s the end of Mr. Clinton’t management. $5.8 trillion is the debt Mr. Bush started with:

2002 6.228 Trillion – Republican congress – Bush
2003 6.783 Trillion – Republican congress – Bush
Skipping to:
2006 8.506 Trillion – Republican congress – Bush
2007 9.007 Trillion – Democrat congress – Bush
2008 10.024 Trillion – Democrat congress – Bush
2009 11.795 Trillion So far (09.10.2009) Democrat congress – Obama

No, you don’t get to give 2009 to Mr. Obama. That’s Mr. Bush’s budget. If you want to knock off $50 billion for stimulus money spent in 2009, fine. Mr. Bush ends with a debt of $11.7 trillion.

$11.7 – $5.8 = $5.9 trillion in debt added during the Bush administration.

The FY2009 portion of the stimulus is about $50 billion. Where’s the other $1.15 trillion, Impy?

Indeed I do.

the point is people want to blame Bush

No. Not people, a person (specifically, you) want to blame Obama for the FY2009 deficit. You’re full of old shoes.