Comments on: Tim Pawlenty Stands In The Hospital Door

By: Quaker in a Basement

Quaker in a Basement — Sun, 13 Sep 2009 23:27:32 +0000

Impy,

Maybe you should came back after you sober up.

You completely ignored school desegregation. The United States Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly on which laws states can enforce in regard to abortion. None of the others are powers granted to the federal government in the Constitution. Tenthers would have us believe they’re all unconstitutional.

By: xax

xax — Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:19:35 +0000

Wow. Really? Pawlenty is like Wallace.

Now, I have a question-

How far into the abyss of crap and inanity did you have to reach to pull that one out?

I mean this is creative, I’ll give you that. How long did it take you to bend your mind into a pretzel-like shape to reach this conclusion?

And Impaler’s right (and I have much to learn from them). “The people deserve the Government they elect.”

You’ll exactly what you “want”, don’t complain when it happens. However, I have this suspicion that those wanting this healthcare bill will be first ones complaining about it when they finally see what it gets them.

As for me all I want is for the government to get the heck out of the way and stop stealing my money. If the federal government requires states to take on a burden (mandate) that is likely to throw them deeper into the cesspool of debt many are all ready in- he could have a case.

By: Impaler

Impaler — Sun, 13 Sep 2009 08:48:34 +0000

Quaker, again check the facts, my fingers are getting tired of correcting people, the Q. Federal Reserve, A. Interstate & International Commerce. Q. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, ok this gets a little complicated so stay frosty, the three are together because I believe they are of or amendments to the Social Security act in the 1930’s, they do not say an amount static you must pay or we take it from you, just if you work then the Feds can tax you, and you are being taxed so we can take care of you in the future, and these systems will pay for themselves, with no contribution from the states. So again no violation here, (more complicated than this, if really interested in the 10th amendment the look up how double tax free Muni bonds came to be.)
The Minimum Wage ok good one, it would be bad PR to sue, and the federal wage increases in recent years, have been lower than the states had already mandated, at least this is true in California and New York. On Abortion wrong again, the only National law regarding abortion is Abortions performed on Government or Tribal lands, or lands in other countries where the US Government has bases or facilities.

So let’s see your score: 1 for 6 not bad. Most of this doesn’t matter any way, there is no such implied waiver for the Constitution; it’s the law, not a lease!

So Drinketh the Impaler!

By: Quaker in a Basement

Quaker in a Basement — Sun, 13 Sep 2009 06:13:43 +0000

But I do request specificity if you are to attempt to poke holes the tenth amendment argument,

The Tenth has been invoked as an argument against school desegregation, the Federal Reserve, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the minimum wage, and a woman’s right to abortion and contraception.

Tenthers don’t have a very good track record, do they?

By: Impaler

Impaler — Sun, 13 Sep 2009 03:17:08 +0000

PT, hardly the facts stand. I await changes to the bill to see it the Dems are smart enough to figure as way to avoid this, we shall see. But I do request specificity if you are to attempt to poke holes the tenth amendment argument, But for this weekend I hope you get plenty of laughs.

By: PTCruiser

PTCruiser — Sun, 13 Sep 2009 01:10:37 +0000

Impaler -

I just wanted to be clear before I fell out of my chair laughing. Pawlenty and anyone who shares his views on the Tenth Amendment are making an absurd argument.

By: Lazlototh

Lazlototh — Sun, 13 Sep 2009 00:51:06 +0000

The comparison of Pawlenty to Wallace is clinically stupid. There is a legitimate debate about how much the federal government can force an individual to do. You guys are in the same camp as Obama, who called many people liars in his speech but is too thin-skinned to tolerate one small heckle.

By: Quaker in a Basement

Quaker in a Basement — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:28:19 +0000

You’re wrong of course,

Are you going to explain yourself, or is heckling in vogue with you people these days?

By: KiKi

KiKi — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 19:24:44 +0000

California chooses to ignore federal law by allowing medical marijuana dispensaries. So apparently states can assert their rights and get away with it.

By: Amused Observer

Amused Observer — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:25:49 +0000

Quaker,
You’re slipping man, this isn’t up to your usual standards. You’re wrong of course, nothing new there but usually you have creative ways to gloss over that or just keep moving the goalposts.

By: White Whale

White Whale — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 13:51:22 +0000

I look to precedent…not court precedent but wingnut precedent. Gov. Rick Perry? Look, I admit the statement is somewhat tongue in cheek but I also stated that he should take this matter up with the court, where I said he would lose this argument.We can discuss this but we could also discuss Robots invading Senior Citizen Homes, the point being its a ridiculous argument. Farris is bringing up a reasonable question of going to court, but don’t be suprised if it gets laughed out the halls. I will again state: Why does Obama have to defend it legality (court of public opinion)? If this was SOOO illegal, we would hear about this every day on the floor and from legal points of view and it would be apart of a NATIONAL discussion. Problem is “10thers” are dead wrong. You know any of them that will argue for the destruction of Veterans Care, GI bill, Dept. of Education, Medicare, Medicaid, etc…? No, because it is merely a stall/subversion tactic to oppose anything the President signs. I can tell you in my district, Marietta,GA, our 10ther representatives are even being laughed at by the right-wing and things like Secession and Hatred of a Black Man have a plenty of history.

By: Sean D. Martin

Sean D. Martin — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 07:35:40 +0000

White Whale: They both think like the Confederates…We don’t like the law, so lets seceed or start a war!

Huh? Where in the world do you see Pawlenty arguing even remotely for secession?

‘[We should] at least have a discussion,” he said, “not talking about seceding from the union and not filing lawsuits.”

Gods! The world is going topsy turvy. Farris is asking a reasonable question, and it’s the other side claiming things that are directly contrary to the provided link! Don’t steal Farris’ schtick! It makes you look stupid.

By: Sean D. Martin

Sean D. Martin — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 07:31:38 +0000

Jesse Ewiak Also, states can’t reject federal law. If a law violates the tenth amendment take it up with the courts. Isn't that what he's suggesting he'd do?

Depending on what the federal government comes out with here, asserting the 10th Amendment may be a viable option

By: Sean D. Martin

Sean D. Martin — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 07:28:02 +0000

SaveFarris: Could you please point to me the relevant text in the Constitution that Pawlenty would allegedly be breaking?

The moon must be very blue, because I’ve got the same question as Farris. He’s Pawlenty isn’t saying he’s going to break the law. On the contrary, he’s saying he’d have to look into what options he’d have within the law to oppose something he doesn’t want.

Indeed: I think it’s the Obama Administration which is breaking The Ultimate Law: Jesus’s Bible. You know, because he’s a Muslin Commie Nazi America Hater. You stupid dumbfuck.

And can’t we leave the knee-jerk name-calling unresponsive answer to a fair question to the wingnuts? Seriously, if this was the first OW column I read I’d think Farris the reasonable one and Indeed the cheetos-chomping jerk.

By: Impaler

Impaler — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 00:24:44 +0000

Stop it Quaker, this post has gotten confusing enough, without misdirection. ;-0

By: Impaler

Impaler — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 00:22:43 +0000

No what is funny is the news in Bangladesh ran Onion stories as true including the “faked moon landing” the must get fact checked by CNN.

By: Quaker in a Basement

Quaker in a Basement — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 00:22:09 +0000

As you readeth what Impy sayeth, keep in mind that he’s in with the crowd that wants to see the federal government mandate interstate sales of health insurance.

By: Impaler

Impaler — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 00:19:22 +0000

PT, Hello, Opt out of Obama Care if passed in its current house form, The 10th amendment, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” In basic terms, the state only has the right to regulate Interstate commerce (business between states) not Intrastate commerce.
So if Obama Care had a public option, this would be deemed interference in a states rights to regulate for their own electorate. This would have to be decided by the federal courts. There are coercive techniques that can be used legally to force compliance, we saw this with Carter and the 55 speed limit, when states refused to honor this “federal law” the Federal Government withheld monies for roads, we also saw it to a lesser effect by President Obama, with the passage of the “stimulus” package where states or institutions how decided to use the monies had to agree to the federal stings attached policy.
I guess the picture of the Democrat Racist, at the top of the post, is suppose to tie to Pawlenty, by threatening to use the 10th amendment to protect state rights. The Democrat threatened to use it to keep segregation, the Republican will use it to check the power of the Federal Government. I do believe a court challenge will be successful in the bills present form.

So sayeth the Impaler!

By: Indeed

Indeed — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 00:09:07 +0000

Indeed, My father told me once, “The people deserve the Government they elect.”

That was joke, son. Say, that reminds me of another joke. After the 2002 elections, The Onion ran a “What Do You Think?” about the results. One guy on the street:

“You know, they say people get the government they deserve, but I don’t recall knife-raping any retarded nuns.”

By: Quaker in a Basement

Quaker in a Basement — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 00:00:21 +0000

What exactly is Gov. Pawlenty asserting that the State of Minnesota has a right to do under the Tenth Amendment?

In a nutshell, he says the 10th means Minnesota can ignore federal laws. Because.