Tim Pawlenty Stands In The Hospital Door
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George Wallace has idealogical offspring.
Pawlenty, the governors’ association vice-chairman, was asked if governors could assert state sovereignty to bypass federal mandates.
According to a recording posted online by Minnesota Public Radio, he replied:
‘Depending on what the federal government comes out with here, asserting the 10th Amendment may be a viable option but we don’t know the details. As one of the other callers said, we can’t get the president to outline what he does or doesn’t support in any detail. So we’ll have to see. I would have to say that it’s a possibility.’
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What a great Christian this Mr. Pawlenty is! Fuckin’ A, as Jesus said: “We are NOT our brothers keeper!” Gen 4:9, you stupid Jesus-hating libtard bitches!
George Wallace was explictly violating the 14th Amendment. Could you please point to me the relevant text in the Constitution that Pawlenty would allegedly be breaking?
Could you please point to me the relevant text in the Constitution that Pawlenty would allegedly be breaking?
I think it’s the Obama Administration which is breaking The Ultimate Law: Jesus’s Bible. You know, because he’s a Muslin Commie Nazi America Hater. You stupid dumbfuck.
Gen 4:9!!!
Farris, Gov. Wallace’s position was that the 14th Amendment applied to the federal government, but not to the state of Alabama. That’s the position Gov. Pawlenty is flirting with.
“George Wallace has ideological* offspring.” In what way does Tim Pawlenty resemble Wallace? perhaps they both have been photographed in Black & White photos. George Wallace, was a Democrat, Pawlenty a Republican, Wallace was a segregationist, Pawlenty is not. Perhaps you refer to Pawlenty’s stand on the 10th amendment of the Constitution, to fight the implementation of Obama Care. Well this is what we have the Supreme Court for, Pawlenty and other governors where duly elected, and granted power in the Constitution, he should fight Obama Care if passed. Why is this important, the constitution gave the Federal government the control of interstate commerce, Health care does not cross state lines, (Medicare, and Medicaid are administered on an intrastate basis by private insurers, who are then compensated by the Federal government under these programs) the 10th amendment gives control of intrastate commerce to the states. Segregation and denying the rights of people to an education is a violation of the equal protection clause of the Constitution, so Wallace failed to use the 10th amendment argument knowing he would lose in court. There is no relationship between the views of a Democrat racist, and a Republican who is asserting his states rights.
* my correction
Governor Palenty’s decision is that Obama’s Health Care bill is not defined within the Constitution proper. So far, you haven’t shown me any evidence to the contrary.
Governor Pawlently should also start giving orders for the Minnesota DOT to start destroying the Interstate’s in his state – ya’ know, another violation of the 10th Amendment.
Medicare. Also.
Also, states can’t reject federal law. If a law violates the tenth amendment take it up with the courts. And good luck with that.
Perhaps you refer to Pawlenty’s stand on the 10th amendment of the Constitution,
That Impy’s a sharp one, ain’t he?
Dear “state’s rights” supporters. This fight ended in 1865. You lost. Get over it.
Uh…Can you prove that Pawlenty is right? The onus falls on the government, no let me guess OBAMA to justify how a federal law is illegal? I admire the chutzpah but he is so dead wrong and even the conservative leaning Supreme Court wouldn’t agree.
Jesse,
Your right that the states can’t reject federal law but this is where the Wallace comparison has legs: They both think like the Confederates…We don’t like the law, so lets seceed or start a war! How much do the conservatives want to bet when this is passes some nut job governor will put up a bill for secession?
Jesse Ewiak, “Governor Pawlently should also start giving orders for the Minnesota DOT to start destroying the Interstate’s in his state – ya’ know, another violation of the 10th Amendment.”
Jesse the key word in your statement is Interstate….LMAO!
Quaker, I was not aware that the 10th amendment was appealed in 1865, am I missing something?
am I missing something?
Evidently.
White Whale, the only talk of secession is here, I expect the State will file suite against the Federal Government, this is not unusual at all, in fact California sued the Federal government as recently as 2008 approximate date, case is still ongoing, here is the case number No. C 05-00328 JSW, the courts are the proper venue for this type of action and one of the reasons our founding fathers created the system in this way. When and if a case is filed, then all Americans should abide by their (the courts) decision.
When and if a case is filed, then all Americans should abide by their (the courts) decision.
What if the courts are a bunch of Liberal Activist Judges?
Indeed, My father told me once, “The people deserve the Government they elect.” I live by this statement, so if that happened, I would cowboy up, and abide by the law.
Timmah is just posturing for the wingnuts. He has decided not to be Mr Sensible Moderate Republican guy after all, thank goodness. Appeal to that shrinking base, Timmah!
There is no relationship between the views of a Democrat racist, and a Republican who is asserting his states rights.
I’m a little dense. What exactly is Gov. Pawlenty asserting that the State of Minnesota has a right to do under the Tenth Amendment?
What exactly is Gov. Pawlenty asserting that the State of Minnesota has a right to do under the Tenth Amendment?
In a nutshell, he says the 10th means Minnesota can ignore federal laws. Because.
Indeed, My father told me once, “The people deserve the Government they elect.”
That was joke, son. Say, that reminds me of another joke. After the 2002 elections, The Onion ran a “What Do You Think?” about the results. One guy on the street:
PT, Hello, Opt out of Obama Care if passed in its current house form, The 10th amendment, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” In basic terms, the state only has the right to regulate Interstate commerce (business between states) not Intrastate commerce.
So if Obama Care had a public option, this would be deemed interference in a states rights to regulate for their own electorate. This would have to be decided by the federal courts. There are coercive techniques that can be used legally to force compliance, we saw this with Carter and the 55 speed limit, when states refused to honor this “federal law” the Federal Government withheld monies for roads, we also saw it to a lesser effect by President Obama, with the passage of the “stimulus” package where states or institutions how decided to use the monies had to agree to the federal stings attached policy.
I guess the picture of the Democrat Racist, at the top of the post, is suppose to tie to Pawlenty, by threatening to use the 10th amendment to protect state rights. The Democrat threatened to use it to keep segregation, the Republican will use it to check the power of the Federal Government. I do believe a court challenge will be successful in the bills present form.
So sayeth the Impaler!
As you readeth what Impy sayeth, keep in mind that he’s in with the crowd that wants to see the federal government mandate interstate sales of health insurance.
No what is funny is the news in Bangladesh ran Onion stories as true including the “faked moon landing” the must get fact checked by CNN.
Stop it Quaker, this post has gotten confusing enough, without misdirection. ;-0
SaveFarris: Could you please point to me the relevant text in the Constitution that Pawlenty would allegedly be breaking?
The moon must be very blue, because I’ve got the same question as Farris. He’s Pawlenty isn’t saying he’s going to break the law. On the contrary, he’s saying he’d have to look into what options he’d have within the law to oppose something he doesn’t want.
Indeed: I think it’s the Obama Administration which is breaking The Ultimate Law: Jesus’s Bible. You know, because he’s a Muslin Commie Nazi America Hater. You stupid dumbfuck.
And can’t we leave the knee-jerk name-calling unresponsive answer to a fair question to the wingnuts? Seriously, if this was the first OW column I read I’d think Farris the reasonable one and Indeed the cheetos-chomping jerk.
Jesse Ewiak Also, states can’t reject federal law. If a law violates the tenth amendment take it up with the courts.
Isn’t that what he’s suggesting he’d do?
White Whale: They both think like the Confederates…We don’t like the law, so lets seceed or start a war!
Huh? Where in the world do you see Pawlenty arguing even remotely for secession?
Gods! The world is going topsy turvy. Farris is asking a reasonable question, and it’s the other side claiming things that are directly contrary to the provided link! Don’t steal Farris’ schtick! It makes you look stupid.
I look to precedent…not court precedent but wingnut precedent. Gov. Rick Perry? Look, I admit the statement is somewhat tongue in cheek but I also stated that he should take this matter up with the court, where I said he would lose this argument.We can discuss this but we could also discuss Robots invading Senior Citizen Homes, the point being its a ridiculous argument. Farris is bringing up a reasonable question of going to court, but don’t be suprised if it gets laughed out the halls. I will again state: Why does Obama have to defend it legality (court of public opinion)? If this was SOOO illegal, we would hear about this every day on the floor and from legal points of view and it would be apart of a NATIONAL discussion. Problem is “10thers” are dead wrong. You know any of them that will argue for the destruction of Veterans Care, GI bill, Dept. of Education, Medicare, Medicaid, etc…? No, because it is merely a stall/subversion tactic to oppose anything the President signs. I can tell you in my district, Marietta,GA, our 10ther representatives are even being laughed at by the right-wing and things like Secession and Hatred of a Black Man have a plenty of history.
Quaker,
You’re slipping man, this isn’t up to your usual standards. You’re wrong of course, nothing new there but usually you have creative ways to gloss over that or just keep moving the goalposts.
California chooses to ignore federal law by allowing medical marijuana dispensaries. So apparently states can assert their rights and get away with it.
You’re wrong of course,
Are you going to explain yourself, or is heckling in vogue with you people these days?
The comparison of Pawlenty to Wallace is clinically stupid. There is a legitimate debate about how much the federal government can force an individual to do. You guys are in the same camp as Obama, who called many people liars in his speech but is too thin-skinned to tolerate one small heckle.
Impaler -
I just wanted to be clear before I fell out of my chair laughing. Pawlenty and anyone who shares his views on the Tenth Amendment are making an absurd argument.
PT, hardly the facts stand. I await changes to the bill to see it the Dems are smart enough to figure as way to avoid this, we shall see. But I do request specificity if you are to attempt to poke holes the tenth amendment argument, But for this weekend I hope you get plenty of laughs.
But I do request specificity if you are to attempt to poke holes the tenth amendment argument,
The Tenth has been invoked as an argument against school desegregation, the Federal Reserve, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the minimum wage, and a woman’s right to abortion and contraception.
Tenthers don’t have a very good track record, do they?
Quaker, again check the facts, my fingers are getting tired of correcting people, the Q. Federal Reserve, A. Interstate & International Commerce. Q. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, ok this gets a little complicated so stay frosty, the three are together because I believe they are of or amendments to the Social Security act in the 1930’s, they do not say an amount static you must pay or we take it from you, just if you work then the Feds can tax you, and you are being taxed so we can take care of you in the future, and these systems will pay for themselves, with no contribution from the states. So again no violation here, (more complicated than this, if really interested in the 10th amendment the look up how double tax free Muni bonds came to be.)
The Minimum Wage ok good one, it would be bad PR to sue, and the federal wage increases in recent years, have been lower than the states had already mandated, at least this is true in California and New York. On Abortion wrong again, the only National law regarding abortion is Abortions performed on Government or Tribal lands, or lands in other countries where the US Government has bases or facilities.
So let’s see your score: 1 for 6 not bad. Most of this doesn’t matter any way, there is no such implied waiver for the Constitution; it’s the law, not a lease!
So Drinketh the Impaler!
Wow. Really? Pawlenty is like Wallace.
Now, I have a question-
How far into the abyss of crap and inanity did you have to reach to pull that one out?
I mean this is creative, I’ll give you that. How long did it take you to bend your mind into a pretzel-like shape to reach this conclusion?
And Impaler’s right (and I have much to learn from them). “The people deserve the Government they elect.”
You’ll exactly what you “want”, don’t complain when it happens. However, I have this suspicion that those wanting this healthcare bill will be first ones complaining about it when they finally see what it gets them.
As for me all I want is for the government to get the heck out of the way and stop stealing my money. If the federal government requires states to take on a burden (mandate) that is likely to throw them deeper into the cesspool of debt many are all ready in- he could have a case.
Impy,
Maybe you should came back after you sober up.
You completely ignored school desegregation. The United States Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly on which laws states can enforce in regard to abortion. None of the others are powers granted to the federal government in the Constitution. Tenthers would have us believe they’re all unconstitutional.