I only have a problem with those of his caliber that only watch right wing mess like Fox. Because they lie. Either that doesn’t bother them or they’re just racist.

http://www.ceasespin.org/ceasespin_blog/ceasespin_blogger_files/fox_news_gets_okay_to_misinform_public.html

The Census Director has sent a letter to the National Headquarters of ACORN notifying the group that the Census Bureau is severing all ties with the community organizing group for all work having to do with the 2010 census.

“Over the last several months, through ongoing communication with our regional offices, it is clear that ACORN’s affiliation with the 2010 Census promotion has caused sufficient concern in the general public, has indeed become a distraction from our mission, and may even become a discouragement to public cooperation, negatively impacting 2010 Census efforts,” read a letter from Census Director Robert M. Groves to the president of ACORN.

Makes perfect sense; 8 years of a totalitarian government that constantly lied and hid a secret agenda of Orwellian proportions, and you claim it only bolstered your Liberalism; now that a liberal President is in office, his attempts to promote a liberal agenda have forced you to become a Neo-Conservative.

Say hi to Jimmy Hoffa and the Easter Bunny for us.

WTF are you talking about?

Where are the profit in civil rights, the ERA, environmental protection?

Conservatives HAVE to see a payday or it’s no go; how fucking sad.

Unlike Dumbya, Obama pens a good deal of his speeches, this one had all the earmarks of his own work; but if you’re going to talk about governing after supporting the vacation president, your authority and credibility on this subject are zero.

And let us know when Elvis gets here.

If it’s impossible, how do so many other countries manage it?

For someone who claims to be a realist, you sure are ignoring a lot of facts.

The reality is that the country deserves universal health care, and the GOP have been exposed as being against it for purely political reasons.

BTW, Joe Wilson is a libelous idiot, and you should be ashamed of making light of his incredibly boorish behavior.

Unlike Dumbya presumably?

Awesome.

China.

Much of the money needed for the proposed program is going to come from people paying their money to get health insurance. Money will also come from taxes on high-end health insurance benefits and some from cuts to Medicare subsidies to private insurers.

Borrow it. Pay it. Not the same thing.

You’re still confusing cost with debt.

Looky here.

Not according to the CBO. He’s (depending on the bill) between 800B and 1 trillion in the hole.

That money’s gotta come from somewhere. And we don’t have enough Top 5%ers to cover that big a bill.

Man, you’re quick! Can’t get anything past you!

If you’ll check, you’ll see that I have already admitted my observations aren’t helpful to the side I want to prevail. Anyway, you’re confusing “cost” with “debt” right here:

But that means the costs will be backloaded so re-authorization will lead to crippling, unsustainable debt.

Mr. Obama is proposing to pay for his plan, not borrow against future revenues by taking on debt. I understand this is a difficult concept after eight years of Republican borrow-and-spend economics, but ponder on it. It’ll come to you.

Alot more believable than thinking the Iraq War would pay for itself.

Your personal bigotry – no sellout, of the “40 million” uninsured HOW MANY ARE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS? Be interesting to see how many unpaid medical bills go to people who don’t even pay taxes

Considering there are an estimated 8 million Illegal Immigrants(TM), if we were to assume that all of them were uninsured, that would be 32 million uninsured legal citizens. Math is hard!

4. Could be in the current plan if the right – why does the right have to bargain for it. If its a common sense approach why does one side or the other have to fight for it? Shouldnt it be in there automatically? Or are you admitting the left has no common sense?

Considering that torture and denying homosexuals rights for shits and giggles is part of the Republican party platform, Republican policy proposition have to be carefully examined 1st.

Ohhh the evil insurance company making a profit.

Listen its very simple. Profit (money) is the incentive for any advancement of the human condition.

Even if one were denied the service that they paid for?

I think it’s fair and relevant to take a look at those upcoming historical costs before we decide to jump headfirst into this program, no?

Not semantics. $900 billion over 10 years does not mean that the proposed program will cost $90 billion a year. Yes, I understand you’re talking about an average. The average may not reflect the cost of the program during any given year. So arguing whether the proposed changes can be accomplished for “$90 billion a year” is a pointless exercise.

You’re the one arguing we should be more like Japan. What they spend per person only tells PART of the story about their system.

The health care system in Japan costs way less than ours. Yet the Japanese see their doctors more often than we do and don’t even bother to make appointments–they just stop in. Doesn’t that suggest to you that we aren’t getting our money’s worth? That there just might be some possible ways to make our system more efficient without curtailing services?

I in fact, support many changes, but different from those Obama proposes and requires less government intrusion and relies more on market forces to deal with costs.

Outside of the public option, intended to cover those who otherwise can’t get insurance, Mr. Obama’s proposal leaves the system in the hands of private insurers. How much less government intrusion could you ask for?

And thanks for the links. I’ll check ‘em out.

Yes and as I said, $90 billion is the AVERAGE over that time. Once again as you often do, you’re getting into semantics.

Thanks for closing the loop in your circular logic. Our current system is, in fact, loaded with waste. We pay three times as much per person than Japan. We do not get three times the service.

It’s not circular. You’re the one arguing we should be more like Japan. What they spend per person only tells PART of the story about their system.

No, we can’t. If you rule out all other systems because they’re not exactly like ours, then all we’re left with is…a system exactly like ours. Which from your point of view is really the objective, isn’t it?

Well, you admit….rather you acknowledge that it’s going to require tax increases. Except we’re not hearing that from the people that count. And I am not opposed to changes. I in fact, support many changes, but different from those Obama proposes and requires less government intrusion and relies more on market forces to deal with costs.

Here are links to the other proposals:

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:s1324is.txt.pdf

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c111:1:./temp/~c1110WP5CL::

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c111:1:./temp/~c11119v9JI::