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	<title>Comments on: Bobby Jindal Using Taxpayer Money For Helicopter Rides To Church</title>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/09/01/bobby-jindal-using-taxpayer-money-for-helicopter-rides-to-church/#comment-175820</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 00:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iamspartacus: &lt;I&gt;Say, what if he were using a state helicopter to visit a different mosque every Friday?&lt;/i&gt;

What difference would that make?  It&#039;s still personal use of the company car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iamspartacus: <i>Say, what if he were using a state helicopter to visit a different mosque every Friday?</i></p>
<p>What difference would that make?  It&#8217;s still personal use of the company car.</p>
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		<title>By: Iamspartacus</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/09/01/bobby-jindal-using-taxpayer-money-for-helicopter-rides-to-church/#comment-175803</link>
		<dc:creator>Iamspartacus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 21:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, first time caller.  Say, what if he were using a state helicopter to visit a different mosque every Friday?  Let&#039;s think about that for a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, first time caller.  Say, what if he were using a state helicopter to visit a different mosque every Friday?  Let&#8217;s think about that for a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/09/01/bobby-jindal-using-taxpayer-money-for-helicopter-rides-to-church/#comment-175302</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 23:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;It isn’t like you to intentionally miss the point, Q.&lt;/em&gt;

You also, Mr. Martin. That cousin thing was pure japery.

&lt;em&gt;My point is, Jindal (or any politico) shouldn’t be using the company car for personal business.&lt;/em&gt;

Given the number and variety of destinations, I doubt that Mr. Jindal&#039;s purpose is strictly personal. It sounds to me as if the governor is visiting citizens at their places of worship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>It isn’t like you to intentionally miss the point, Q.</em></p>
<p>You also, Mr. Martin. That cousin thing was pure japery.</p>
<p><em>My point is, Jindal (or any politico) shouldn’t be using the company car for personal business.</em></p>
<p>Given the number and variety of destinations, I doubt that Mr. Jindal&#8217;s purpose is strictly personal. It sounds to me as if the governor is visiting citizens at their places of worship.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/09/01/bobby-jindal-using-taxpayer-money-for-helicopter-rides-to-church/#comment-175298</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 23:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quaker iaB: &lt;I&gt;I’ve heard rumors about intersecting branches of the gene pool in the Bayou State, but they can’t all be his cousins, can they?&lt;/i&gt;

It isn&#039;t like you to intentionally miss the point, Q.  My point is, Jindal (or any politico) shouldn&#039;t be using the company car for personal business.  And masking it by having meetings on Sunday that could otherwise, and would more normally, be held during regular business hours doesn&#039;t excuse that he&#039;s spending taxpayer money on personal travel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quaker iaB: <i>I’ve heard rumors about intersecting branches of the gene pool in the Bayou State, but they can’t all be his cousins, can they?</i></p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t like you to intentionally miss the point, Q.  My point is, Jindal (or any politico) shouldn&#8217;t be using the company car for personal business.  And masking it by having meetings on Sunday that could otherwise, and would more normally, be held during regular business hours doesn&#8217;t excuse that he&#8217;s spending taxpayer money on personal travel.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/09/01/bobby-jindal-using-taxpayer-money-for-helicopter-rides-to-church/#comment-175271</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 21:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But not on official business. Would it be okay with him to use the copter to visit his cousins, as long as he didn’t travel out of state?&lt;/i&gt;

Well, now, if he was governor of South Carolina....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But not on official business. Would it be okay with him to use the copter to visit his cousins, as long as he didn’t travel out of state?</i></p>
<p>Well, now, if he was governor of South Carolina&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: I'm a Hick</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/09/01/bobby-jindal-using-taxpayer-money-for-helicopter-rides-to-church/#comment-175204</link>
		<dc:creator>I'm a Hick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 18:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lived there for 20 years, so I&#039;m entitled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived there for 20 years, so I&#8217;m entitled.</p>
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		<title>By: I'm a Hick</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/09/01/bobby-jindal-using-taxpayer-money-for-helicopter-rides-to-church/#comment-175203</link>
		<dc:creator>I'm a Hick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 18:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given the roads, flying&#039;s probably safer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the roads, flying&#8217;s probably safer.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/09/01/bobby-jindal-using-taxpayer-money-for-helicopter-rides-to-church/#comment-175199</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 18:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;But not on official business. &lt;/em&gt;

Visiting the people of Louisiana? I&#039;ve heard rumors about intersecting branches of the gene pool in the Bayou State, but they can&#039;t &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; be his cousins, can they?

If you want to pursue this line of reductio ad absurdum, would the governor be out of line to ride in a state-owned limo to these places? What if he took a small, fuel-efficient car? Is it OK if he walks there?

The state provides a helicopter for the governor&#039;s use. If they feel he&#039;s using it frivilously, well OK. However, I don&#039;t Jindal&#039;s use of the helicopter as an egeregious abuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>But not on official business. </em></p>
<p>Visiting the people of Louisiana? I&#8217;ve heard rumors about intersecting branches of the gene pool in the Bayou State, but they can&#8217;t <em>all</em> be his cousins, can they?</p>
<p>If you want to pursue this line of reductio ad absurdum, would the governor be out of line to ride in a state-owned limo to these places? What if he took a small, fuel-efficient car? Is it OK if he walks there?</p>
<p>The state provides a helicopter for the governor&#8217;s use. If they feel he&#8217;s using it frivilously, well OK. However, I don&#8217;t Jindal&#8217;s use of the helicopter as an egeregious abuse.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/09/01/bobby-jindal-using-taxpayer-money-for-helicopter-rides-to-church/#comment-175197</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 18:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quaker in a B: &lt;i&gt;As for the topic of the original post? A governor uses an official helicopter to travel to various places in his own state?&lt;/i&gt;

But not on official business.  Would it be okay with him to use the copter to visit his cousins, as long as he didn&#039;t travel out of state?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quaker in a B: <i>As for the topic of the original post? A governor uses an official helicopter to travel to various places in his own state?</i></p>
<p>But not on official business.  Would it be okay with him to use the copter to visit his cousins, as long as he didn&#8217;t travel out of state?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/09/01/bobby-jindal-using-taxpayer-money-for-helicopter-rides-to-church/#comment-175196</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 18:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SaveFarris: &lt;i&gt;No, it’s the entire point.&lt;/i&gt;

No, it is not.

The issue isn&#039;t whether Oliver in particular thought the AF1 photo was inappropriate and wrong.  It&#039;s clear it was, as rational, responsible people (including such prominent Democrats as Obama) have already said in no uncertain terms.

The issue her is whether Jindal&#039;s use of the helicopter for personal matters was inappropriate and wrong.  And you&#039;re transparently dancing all over the place to avoid answering that.

&quot;Jindal shouldn&#039;t have used the helicopter for personal errands.&quot;
&lt;i&gt;&quot;Look, they wasted money on an AF1 photo op!&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
&quot;Yes, they did.  That was bad.  Weren&#039;t Jindal&#039;s actions wrong?&quot;
&lt;i&gt;&quot;But, but, but.. Oliver never commented on the AF1 incident.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
&quot;No, he didn&#039;t.  But wasn&#039;t it wrong for Jindal to use the copter for personal purposes?&quot;
&lt;i&gt;&quot;The whole issue is Oliver&#039;s opinion on AF1.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
&quot;No, it isn&#039;t.&quot;

Strike three, Farris.  Is it really that impossible for you to aver admit a Republican screwed up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SaveFarris: <i>No, it’s the entire point.</i></p>
<p>No, it is not.</p>
<p>The issue isn&#8217;t whether Oliver in particular thought the AF1 photo was inappropriate and wrong.  It&#8217;s clear it was, as rational, responsible people (including such prominent Democrats as Obama) have already said in no uncertain terms.</p>
<p>The issue her is whether Jindal&#8217;s use of the helicopter for personal matters was inappropriate and wrong.  And you&#8217;re transparently dancing all over the place to avoid answering that.</p>
<p>&#8220;Jindal shouldn&#8217;t have used the helicopter for personal errands.&#8221;<br />
<i>&#8220;Look, they wasted money on an AF1 photo op!&#8221;</i><br />
&#8220;Yes, they did.  That was bad.  Weren&#8217;t Jindal&#8217;s actions wrong?&#8221;<br />
<i>&#8220;But, but, but.. Oliver never commented on the AF1 incident.&#8221;</i><br />
&#8220;No, he didn&#8217;t.  But wasn&#8217;t it wrong for Jindal to use the copter for personal purposes?&#8221;<br />
<i>&#8220;The whole issue is Oliver&#8217;s opinion on AF1.&#8221;</i><br />
&#8220;No, it isn&#8217;t.&#8221;</p>
<p>Strike three, Farris.  Is it really that impossible for you to aver admit a Republican screwed up?</p>
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		<title>By: freD</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/09/01/bobby-jindal-using-taxpayer-money-for-helicopter-rides-to-church/#comment-175193</link>
		<dc:creator>freD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 18:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PRO
&lt;i&gt;State Sen. Mike Walsworth, R-West Monroe, sat with congregations for several of the governor’s trips to churches.

Walsworth said he hasn’t had any complaints about the governor’s use of a state helicopter to attend the services.&lt;/i&gt;

CON
&lt;i&gt;State Sen. Robert Adley, R-Benton, questions the necessity of Sunday meetings with officials. 

Adley, a lay minister and a frequent critic of the Jindal administration, said he does not call police jurors and ask them to meet him after church so he can seek reimbursement for his expenses. 

“I’m glad he goes to church, but I don’t think we ought to be paying his way there,” Adley said. &lt;/i&gt;

PRAGMATIC
&lt;i&gt;State Sen. Joe McPherson, D-Woodworth, said Jindal is the most accessible governor in modern history. He said taxpayers must decide whether the trips are worth their expense. &lt;/i&gt;

Personally, if I was a politician selling state and national fiscal conservatism, I’d try to err on the side of state fiscal conservatism, and not what can so easily be percieved as my own personal fiscal conservatism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PRO<br />
<i>State Sen. Mike Walsworth, R-West Monroe, sat with congregations for several of the governor’s trips to churches.</p>
<p>Walsworth said he hasn’t had any complaints about the governor’s use of a state helicopter to attend the services.</i></p>
<p>CON<br />
<i>State Sen. Robert Adley, R-Benton, questions the necessity of Sunday meetings with officials. </p>
<p>Adley, a lay minister and a frequent critic of the Jindal administration, said he does not call police jurors and ask them to meet him after church so he can seek reimbursement for his expenses. </p>
<p>“I’m glad he goes to church, but I don’t think we ought to be paying his way there,” Adley said. </i></p>
<p>PRAGMATIC<br />
<i>State Sen. Joe McPherson, D-Woodworth, said Jindal is the most accessible governor in modern history. He said taxpayers must decide whether the trips are worth their expense. </i></p>
<p>Personally, if I was a politician selling state and national fiscal conservatism, I’d try to err on the side of state fiscal conservatism, and not what can so easily be percieved as my own personal fiscal conservatism.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/09/01/bobby-jindal-using-taxpayer-money-for-helicopter-rides-to-church/#comment-175152</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 15:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;or for his personal travel, like Jindal’s Junkets are.&lt;/i&gt;

Do you get brownie points from your liberal blog readers when you&#039;re dishonest like this? The article you linked to clearly states that Jindal meets with public officials during these trips and that is backed up by people in the story. He planned that alongside the trips to the churches to talk with voters. 

I don&#039;t support his actions as he can conduct business and meet with constituents during the week, but this was not &quot;personal travel.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>or for his personal travel, like Jindal’s Junkets are.</i></p>
<p>Do you get brownie points from your liberal blog readers when you&#8217;re dishonest like this? The article you linked to clearly states that Jindal meets with public officials during these trips and that is backed up by people in the story. He planned that alongside the trips to the churches to talk with voters. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t support his actions as he can conduct business and meet with constituents during the week, but this was not &#8220;personal travel.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Willis</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/09/01/bobby-jindal-using-taxpayer-money-for-helicopter-rides-to-church/#comment-175094</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver Willis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 06:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While this is another Savefarris classic &quot;look over there&quot;, I should note I was in a bus on my way back &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/owillis/archives/date-taken/2009/04/26/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;from the draft&lt;/a&gt; when this vital moment of right-wing outrage broke out and unable to give the desired opinion. The operation was silly, but it was not at the behest of the president or for his personal travel, like Jindal&#039;s Junkets are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While this is another Savefarris classic &#8220;look over there&#8221;, I should note I was in a bus on my way back <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/owillis/archives/date-taken/2009/04/26/" rel="nofollow">from the draft</a> when this vital moment of right-wing outrage broke out and unable to give the desired opinion. The operation was silly, but it was not at the behest of the president or for his personal travel, like Jindal&#8217;s Junkets are.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaim</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/09/01/bobby-jindal-using-taxpayer-money-for-helicopter-rides-to-church/#comment-175080</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 03:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh dear, I&#039;m glad you asked:

http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/26/kenneth-the-intern-responds-to-bobby-jindal/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear, I&#8217;m glad you asked:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/26/kenneth-the-intern-responds-to-bobby-jindal/" rel="nofollow">http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/26/kenneth-the-intern-responds-to-bobby-jindal/</a></p>
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		<title>By: daniel rotter</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/09/01/bobby-jindal-using-taxpayer-money-for-helicopter-rides-to-church/#comment-175077</link>
		<dc:creator>daniel rotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 03:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who&#039;s &quot;Kenneth the Intern?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who&#8217;s &#8220;Kenneth the Intern?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jaim</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/09/01/bobby-jindal-using-taxpayer-money-for-helicopter-rides-to-church/#comment-175038</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 00:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kenneth the Intern is blazing a trail towards 2012, I tell ya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kenneth the Intern is blazing a trail towards 2012, I tell ya.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/09/01/bobby-jindal-using-taxpayer-money-for-helicopter-rides-to-church/#comment-175031</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 23:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the topic of the original post? A governor uses an official helicopter to travel to various places in his own state?

A 100 percent chance of darkness tonight with increasing lightness at dawn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the topic of the original post? A governor uses an official helicopter to travel to various places in his own state?</p>
<p>A 100 percent chance of darkness tonight with increasing lightness at dawn.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/09/01/bobby-jindal-using-taxpayer-money-for-helicopter-rides-to-church/#comment-175030</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 23:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;If Oliver thinks that air travel spending is such a big issue, he would have raised it during the AF1 flyover fracas. &lt;/em&gt;

Hunh?

No one was traveling on AF1 during the shoot. That was an Air Force operation from the start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>If Oliver thinks that air travel spending is such a big issue, he would have raised it during the AF1 flyover fracas. </em></p>
<p>Hunh?</p>
<p>No one was traveling on AF1 during the shoot. That was an Air Force operation from the start.</p>
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		<title>By: SaveFarris</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/09/01/bobby-jindal-using-taxpayer-money-for-helicopter-rides-to-church/#comment-175028</link>
		<dc:creator>SaveFarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 23:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Whether Oliver in particular gave an opinion or not is utterly beside the point&lt;/i&gt;

No, it&#039;s the entire point.  If Oliver thinks that air travel spending is such a big issue, he would have raised it during the AF1 flyover fracas.  That he didn&#039;t shows that he doesn&#039;t actually care, so why should I?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Whether Oliver in particular gave an opinion or not is utterly beside the point</i></p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s the entire point.  If Oliver thinks that air travel spending is such a big issue, he would have raised it during the AF1 flyover fracas.  That he didn&#8217;t shows that he doesn&#8217;t actually care, so why should I?</p>
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		<title>By: NCSenior</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/09/01/bobby-jindal-using-taxpayer-money-for-helicopter-rides-to-church/#comment-175027</link>
		<dc:creator>NCSenior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 23:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many of you really believe he just showed up at those churches just to worship? I am placing my bets on &#039;state bankrolled campaigning trips&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many of you really believe he just showed up at those churches just to worship? I am placing my bets on &#8216;state bankrolled campaigning trips&#8217;.</p>
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