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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/25/cia-documents-rebut-cheney-assertions/#comment-174655</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 05:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corresponding with Frank DiSalle is almost as much fun as the conversation that started when I told that Nigerian fellow I believed his email.

The Nigerian, of course, was more believable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corresponding with Frank DiSalle is almost as much fun as the conversation that started when I told that Nigerian fellow I believed his email.</p>
<p>The Nigerian, of course, was more believable.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaim</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/25/cia-documents-rebut-cheney-assertions/#comment-174654</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 05:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard to tell whether the O.W.com trolls are either a) too dumb to realize that accepting a challenge to fisticuffs from one of them doesn&#039;t put an iota of fear and trembling into us (just the opposite, actually) or b) too delusional to realize that after nearly a decade of their chicken-hawk, chicken-shit antics that nobody would hesitate to accept one of their challenges.

But Frank, just like Dennis, couldn&#039;t try and weasel his way out of &lt;i&gt;his own offer&lt;/i&gt; fast enough.

Good times.  Good times.

Frank wrote:
&quot; Right now , I am ill…

When I am well. . . .&quot;

Shorter Frank:  &quot;HOLD ME BACK GUYS!  HOLD ME BACK!&quot;

LOL.

You guys are such a pack of idiotic clowns.  No wonder America has given up on the Republican party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard to tell whether the O.W.com trolls are either a) too dumb to realize that accepting a challenge to fisticuffs from one of them doesn&#8217;t put an iota of fear and trembling into us (just the opposite, actually) or b) too delusional to realize that after nearly a decade of their chicken-hawk, chicken-shit antics that nobody would hesitate to accept one of their challenges.</p>
<p>But Frank, just like Dennis, couldn&#8217;t try and weasel his way out of <i>his own offer</i> fast enough.</p>
<p>Good times.  Good times.</p>
<p>Frank wrote:<br />
&#8221; Right now , I am ill…</p>
<p>When I am well. . . .&#8221;</p>
<p>Shorter Frank:  &#8220;HOLD ME BACK GUYS!  HOLD ME BACK!&#8221;</p>
<p>LOL.</p>
<p>You guys are such a pack of idiotic clowns.  No wonder America has given up on the Republican party.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/25/cia-documents-rebut-cheney-assertions/#comment-174649</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 05:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank DiSalle: &lt;i&gt;you have disgraced yourself and your colleagues today.&lt;/i&gt;

Says the wimp who hides behind his keyboard while making challenges she has no intent of carrying out.

&lt;i&gt;BTW, you and I are done …&lt;/i&gt;

Oh goody.  Well, lets finish with a complete record of your cowardice and hypocrisy then.

Frank DiSalle (via email):&lt;blockquote&gt;On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Frank DiSalle  wrote:

    You really are an asshole...

    Right now , I am ill...

    When I am well, I will find you and kick your ass. If you want to file charges , be my guest. Although you will look beat up, and I won&#039;t, it will still be your word against mine.

    How&#039;s this ?

    If I kick your ass, you pay my transportation.

    Now, still want a go at it , you punk assed bitch ?

    a) The victor writes the history
    b) The loser pays the bills

    That&#039;s how it really works..&lt;/blockquote&gt;Oh, goody.  Another excuse.  &quot;Oh noes, I&#039;m ill.&quot;  I&#039;ll wait until you&#039;re fully recovered from your infection, Frank.  I already said you just name the time, so that&#039;s, what, you&#039;re fourth punk assed wimp of an excuse..  

And you don&#039;t have to find me.  I&#039;ve also said I&#039;d tell you where I am.  You really seem to have a pathological need to lie about what people have said so you can argue against something nobody is arguing for.  Straw man much?  (That&#039;s rhetorical.  We&#039;ve all already seen the answer.)

Yup, I&#039;m still a go at it.  You show up and kick my ass.  Demonstrate to me your superior reasoning skills.

Or are you still just gonna hide there behind your keyboard?  (That&#039;s also a rhetorical question, Frank.  You&#039;ve already answered it quite clearly.)

Hypocrite.  Coward.  Wimp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank DiSalle: <i>you have disgraced yourself and your colleagues today.</i></p>
<p>Says the wimp who hides behind his keyboard while making challenges she has no intent of carrying out.</p>
<p><i>BTW, you and I are done …</i></p>
<p>Oh goody.  Well, lets finish with a complete record of your cowardice and hypocrisy then.</p>
<p>Frank DiSalle (via email):<br />
<blockquote>On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Frank DiSalle  wrote:</p>
<p>    You really are an asshole&#8230;</p>
<p>    Right now , I am ill&#8230;</p>
<p>    When I am well, I will find you and kick your ass. If you want to file charges , be my guest. Although you will look beat up, and I won&#8217;t, it will still be your word against mine.</p>
<p>    How&#8217;s this ?</p>
<p>    If I kick your ass, you pay my transportation.</p>
<p>    Now, still want a go at it , you punk assed bitch ?</p>
<p>    a) The victor writes the history<br />
    b) The loser pays the bills</p>
<p>    That&#8217;s how it really works..</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, goody.  Another excuse.  &#8220;Oh noes, I&#8217;m ill.&#8221;  I&#8217;ll wait until you&#8217;re fully recovered from your infection, Frank.  I already said you just name the time, so that&#8217;s, what, you&#8217;re fourth punk assed wimp of an excuse..  </p>
<p>And you don&#8217;t have to find me.  I&#8217;ve also said I&#8217;d tell you where I am.  You really seem to have a pathological need to lie about what people have said so you can argue against something nobody is arguing for.  Straw man much?  (That&#8217;s rhetorical.  We&#8217;ve all already seen the answer.)</p>
<p>Yup, I&#8217;m still a go at it.  You show up and kick my ass.  Demonstrate to me your superior reasoning skills.</p>
<p>Or are you still just gonna hide there behind your keyboard?  (That&#8217;s also a rhetorical question, Frank.  You&#8217;ve already answered it quite clearly.)</p>
<p>Hypocrite.  Coward.  Wimp.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/25/cia-documents-rebut-cheney-assertions/#comment-174648</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 05:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FRank DiSalle: &lt;i&gt;Now you made it public, you worthless scumbag!&lt;/i&gt;

Somebody call the WAHmbulance.

It was already public, Frank.  The only reason I provided a private means of communication was (as I made clear when I gave you my email address) so as not to broadcast my location.  Since you&#039;ve shown you have no intention of following up on your threat (preferring to hide behind your keyboard, you hypocrite) there&#039;s nothing said yet via email that needs to be kept in confidence.

Or was this part of the &quot;say the right things in public but express your true intent in private like a good little hypocritical coward&quot; belief that you advocate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FRank DiSalle: <i>Now you made it public, you worthless scumbag!</i></p>
<p>Somebody call the WAHmbulance.</p>
<p>It was already public, Frank.  The only reason I provided a private means of communication was (as I made clear when I gave you my email address) so as not to broadcast my location.  Since you&#8217;ve shown you have no intention of following up on your threat (preferring to hide behind your keyboard, you hypocrite) there&#8217;s nothing said yet via email that needs to be kept in confidence.</p>
<p>Or was this part of the &#8220;say the right things in public but express your true intent in private like a good little hypocritical coward&#8221; belief that you advocate?</p>
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		<title>By: Jaim</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/25/cia-documents-rebut-cheney-assertions/#comment-174639</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What a juvenile thing to do.&quot;

What&#039;s juvenile is making tough-guy physical threats over the internet, you fucking idiot.

Turn off Matlock and go to bed, loser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What a juvenile thing to do.&#8221;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s juvenile is making tough-guy physical threats over the internet, you fucking idiot.</p>
<p>Turn off Matlock and go to bed, loser.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank DiSalle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank DiSalle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, you and I are done ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, you and I are done &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Frank DiSalle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank DiSalle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now you made it public, you worthless scumbag! What a juvenile thing to do. I am too fair a man to believe that all liberals are pussies like you, but you have disgraced yourself and your colleagues today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now you made it public, you worthless scumbag! What a juvenile thing to do. I am too fair a man to believe that all liberals are pussies like you, but you have disgraced yourself and your colleagues today.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/25/cia-documents-rebut-cheney-assertions/#comment-174622</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 00:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank DiSalle (via email): &lt;blockquote&gt;If you&#039;re not gonna fight back , it won&#039;t be much fun, and I see you&#039;re already prepared to file an assault charge. What a pussy!

You can&#039;t get in a fight without calling the cops?

Here&#039;s a better offer:

Feel free to fight back.

No assault charge by either of us.

Once someone hits the ground, and either says they are done, or just doesn&#039;t get up, the fight&#039;s over.

If you&#039;re far away, I am not paying money to kick your ass. You&#039;ll have to come to me.

Frank DiSalle

-- 
&lt;i&gt;Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure…than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat.
                                    ~Theodore Roosevelt&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Frank -

And you accused me of being a &quot;Keyboard Commando&quot;, brave only when not actually confronted.  Easy for you, sitting there safely behind your keyboard to claim you&#039;ll kick my ass.  But when challenged to actually do it, you back down (as expected) hiding behind all sorts of excuses (as also expected).

- Oh noes, you won&#039;t fight back.
- Oh noes, there might actually be consequences.
- Oh noes, it would cost too much.

Taking your excuses in turn,

1) You&#039;re the one who has argued that a nation should be aggressive and dominate by force where I&#039;ve argued that being resolute and determined without being brutal works better.  You would now insist I adopt your view when we meet?  Why so unwilling to let me handle the confrontation on my terms?  You want to kick my ass to show how much more right you are than I, then go for it.

And when I&#039;m standing there bloodied and you&#039;re standing there unscathed because I didn&#039;t fight back (me having dared a thing and you not having suffered much), tell me again how you demonstrated superior reasoning skills.

2) The US is a nation of Laws, Frank.  You want to assault someone then you risk being held accountable for that.  Easy to talk big when there&#039;s no risk, there behind your keyboard, right?  How brave of you.  You&#039;re a hypocrite and coward, Frank.

3) The MySpace page your byline links to says you&#039;re in New Rochelle, NY.  Been there several times over the years but no longer live within what you would likely consider a reasonable distance (and I suspect you&#039;d claim anything over 100 yards too far away if it provide you with an excuse to back down).

So,
I&#039;m still here.  I&#039;ll face you anytime you want to show up.  Not that I expect you ever will since
- You won&#039;t back up your words with deeds,
- you won&#039;t put your money where your mouth is, and
- most notable of all, you won&#039;t fight me if I won&#039;t fight back.  Proving exactly my point.  Thanks, Frank!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank DiSalle (via email):<br />
<blockquote>If you&#8217;re not gonna fight back , it won&#8217;t be much fun, and I see you&#8217;re already prepared to file an assault charge. What a pussy!</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t get in a fight without calling the cops?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a better offer:</p>
<p>Feel free to fight back.</p>
<p>No assault charge by either of us.</p>
<p>Once someone hits the ground, and either says they are done, or just doesn&#8217;t get up, the fight&#8217;s over.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re far away, I am not paying money to kick your ass. You&#8217;ll have to come to me.</p>
<p>Frank DiSalle</p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
<i>Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure…than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat.<br />
                                    ~Theodore Roosevelt</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Frank -</p>
<p>And you accused me of being a &#8220;Keyboard Commando&#8221;, brave only when not actually confronted.  Easy for you, sitting there safely behind your keyboard to claim you&#8217;ll kick my ass.  But when challenged to actually do it, you back down (as expected) hiding behind all sorts of excuses (as also expected).</p>
<p>- Oh noes, you won&#8217;t fight back.<br />
- Oh noes, there might actually be consequences.<br />
- Oh noes, it would cost too much.</p>
<p>Taking your excuses in turn,</p>
<p>1) You&#8217;re the one who has argued that a nation should be aggressive and dominate by force where I&#8217;ve argued that being resolute and determined without being brutal works better.  You would now insist I adopt your view when we meet?  Why so unwilling to let me handle the confrontation on my terms?  You want to kick my ass to show how much more right you are than I, then go for it.</p>
<p>And when I&#8217;m standing there bloodied and you&#8217;re standing there unscathed because I didn&#8217;t fight back (me having dared a thing and you not having suffered much), tell me again how you demonstrated superior reasoning skills.</p>
<p>2) The US is a nation of Laws, Frank.  You want to assault someone then you risk being held accountable for that.  Easy to talk big when there&#8217;s no risk, there behind your keyboard, right?  How brave of you.  You&#8217;re a hypocrite and coward, Frank.</p>
<p>3) The MySpace page your byline links to says you&#8217;re in New Rochelle, NY.  Been there several times over the years but no longer live within what you would likely consider a reasonable distance (and I suspect you&#8217;d claim anything over 100 yards too far away if it provide you with an excuse to back down).</p>
<p>So,<br />
I&#8217;m still here.  I&#8217;ll face you anytime you want to show up.  Not that I expect you ever will since<br />
- You won&#8217;t back up your words with deeds,<br />
- you won&#8217;t put your money where your mouth is, and<br />
- most notable of all, you won&#8217;t fight me if I won&#8217;t fight back.  Proving exactly my point.  Thanks, Frank!</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/25/cia-documents-rebut-cheney-assertions/#comment-174577</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take no answer as an admission of hypocrite, Frank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take no answer as an admission of hypocrite, Frank.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/25/cia-documents-rebut-cheney-assertions/#comment-174474</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank DiSalle: &lt;i&gt;You’re another Keyboard Commando , real brave miles away. If you were at arm’s length, I’d kick your ass so bad , your children would apologize .&lt;/i&gt;

Says the Keyboard Command who talks real brave while safely miles away.

I call your bluff, Frank.  I&#039;ve been careful not to give much personal info here.  I don&#039;t believe, from the comments I posted, anyone can with certainty claim to know my age, race, sex, orientation, occupation, location, etc.  But for you I&#039;ll make an exception.  seanmartin.willis@gmail.com.  Send me an email I can reply to privately and I&#039;ll tell you where I am.  Then you just need to tell me when you&#039;ll show up.  I won&#039;t even fight back.

Assault charge or admission you&#039;re a hypocrite, Frank.  Your choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank DiSalle: <i>You’re another Keyboard Commando , real brave miles away. If you were at arm’s length, I’d kick your ass so bad , your children would apologize .</i></p>
<p>Says the Keyboard Command who talks real brave while safely miles away.</p>
<p>I call your bluff, Frank.  I&#8217;ve been careful not to give much personal info here.  I don&#8217;t believe, from the comments I posted, anyone can with certainty claim to know my age, race, sex, orientation, occupation, location, etc.  But for you I&#8217;ll make an exception.  <a href="mailto:seanmartin.willis@gmail.com">seanmartin.willis@gmail.com</a>.  Send me an email I can reply to privately and I&#8217;ll tell you where I am.  Then you just need to tell me when you&#8217;ll show up.  I won&#8217;t even fight back.</p>
<p>Assault charge or admission you&#8217;re a hypocrite, Frank.  Your choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank DiSalle: &lt;i&gt;And, for the record: Those two sentences were not connected , or even in the same context.&lt;/i&gt;

Did you &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; decry lefty &quot;word games&quot; and &quot;gotchas&quot; and ask that &quot;come right out and say what you mean and mean what you say?&quot;  Had you not previously taken my straightforward sentence where I said exactly what I meant (Obama should be held accountable if he breaks the law) and claim it said something other than what it clearly did?

Then, please, educate me, Frank.  Or is &quot;Fuck you. I&#039;d beat you up&quot; the best you&#039;ve got.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank DiSalle: <i>And, for the record: Those two sentences were not connected , or even in the same context.</i></p>
<p>Did you <b>not</b> decry lefty &#8220;word games&#8221; and &#8220;gotchas&#8221; and ask that &#8220;come right out and say what you mean and mean what you say?&#8221;  Had you not previously taken my straightforward sentence where I said exactly what I meant (Obama should be held accountable if he breaks the law) and claim it said something other than what it clearly did?</p>
<p>Then, please, educate me, Frank.  Or is &#8220;Fuck you. I&#8217;d beat you up&#8221; the best you&#8217;ve got.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/27/pastor-of-obama-rally-gun-nut-prayed-for-potus-to-die&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Frank DiSalle&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;i&gt;You know why I comment on this blog? Because you guys need an education. Hardly any of you can debate, or persuade.&lt;/i&gt;

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Frank DiSalle: &lt;i&gt;“If Obama or any Dem breaks the laws” means ‘that could never be, so investigating them is automatically a witch hunt …&lt;/i&gt;
If you lefties are so blamed sure you’re right, why don’t you dispense with the “gotchas” and the word games, and come right out and say what you mean and mean what you say?&lt;/i&gt;

SDM: &lt;i&gt;Frank, I very clearly &lt;b&gt;did&lt;/b&gt; say what I meant.  “If Obama or any Dem breaks the laws” means exactly what I actually said.  &quot;If Obama or any Dem breaks the laws while in office, yes, I’d like to see them held accountable for that.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

And presented with a clear example of Frank twisting a declarative sentence into to do exactly what he complains about others doing his considered, superior conservative response is...

&lt;i&gt;Fuck you, Martin.

How’s that for a simple declarative sentence ?

If you were at arm’s length, I’d kick your ass so bad , your children would apologize .&lt;/i&gt;

wingnut debating and persuading, ladies and gents.  Let us all learn from educator Frank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/27/pastor-of-obama-rally-gun-nut-prayed-for-potus-to-die" rel="nofollow">Frank DiSalle</a>: <i>You know why I comment on this blog? Because you guys need an education. Hardly any of you can debate, or persuade.</i></p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>Frank DiSalle: <i>“If Obama or any Dem breaks the laws” means ‘that could never be, so investigating them is automatically a witch hunt …</i><br />
If you lefties are so blamed sure you’re right, why don’t you dispense with the “gotchas” and the word games, and come right out and say what you mean and mean what you say?</p>
<p>SDM: <i>Frank, I very clearly <b>did</b> say what I meant.  “If Obama or any Dem breaks the laws” means exactly what I actually said.  &#8220;If Obama or any Dem breaks the laws while in office, yes, I’d like to see them held accountable for that.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>And presented with a clear example of Frank twisting a declarative sentence into to do exactly what he complains about others doing his considered, superior conservative response is&#8230;</p>
<p><i>Fuck you, Martin.</p>
<p>How’s that for a simple declarative sentence ?</p>
<p>If you were at arm’s length, I’d kick your ass so bad , your children would apologize .</i></p>
<p>wingnut debating and persuading, ladies and gents.  Let us all learn from educator Frank.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank DiSalle: &lt;i&gt;As for making shit up, I never said that a brutal tyranny was the way to go. I can play your game : In no way, shape or form, nowhere, at any time, in any place , did I say, “a brutal tyranny was the way to go”. Now, did I?&lt;/i&gt;

OK.  Ya got me.  You didn&#039;t use those exact words.  Now let me see what &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/24/secret-obama-plan-to-desecrate-911-supported-by-bush/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;you did actually say&lt;/a&gt; (cue wavy flashback fade)...&lt;blockquote&gt;We must stop this attitude that anything must be done rather than military action,

...

Can somebody tell me why it is more important to recapture that spirit of unity and service , than it is to recapture that feeling of anger and hurt and sorrow...
Do any of you remember that impatience, that anger?
Personally, it is sickening to me that we have begun to be repelled by war

...

I am sorry if you think asserting ourselves as the greatest nation earth is seen by you as “grudge-nursing” and “vengeance seeking”, but I don’t.
...

SDM: &lt;i&gt;In my view it’s being able to show you are resilient and will not be afraid or give in to baser instincts.&lt;/i&gt;
And in which conflict (armed or unarmed) did that lead to victory?

SDM: &lt;I&gt;India&lt;/i&gt;
...
As a result of Britain’s failure to act aggressively and assertively in India, they lost India , thus proving MY point&lt;/blockquote&gt;- Military action is the only course that must be considered.
- We must nurse our anger and impatience.  We must not consider war a bad thing.
- We must assert ourselves to show how great we are.
- Nothing but giving into our baser instincts ever works.
- Britain should have been MORE aggressive in their oppression.

You&#039;re right, Frank.  You never said the words &quot;a brutal tyranny is the way to go.&quot;  You only said the US should not consider anything other than military action, that we should nurse our baser instincts and that Britain should have been more aggressive in preserving their empire.  But you&#039;re not advocating the US follow the course Britain failed to take.  How could anyone think you meant that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank DiSalle: <i>As for making shit up, I never said that a brutal tyranny was the way to go. I can play your game : In no way, shape or form, nowhere, at any time, in any place , did I say, “a brutal tyranny was the way to go”. Now, did I?</i></p>
<p>OK.  Ya got me.  You didn&#8217;t use those exact words.  Now let me see what <a href="http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/24/secret-obama-plan-to-desecrate-911-supported-by-bush/" rel="nofollow">you did actually say</a> (cue wavy flashback fade)&#8230;<br />
<blockquote>We must stop this attitude that anything must be done rather than military action,</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Can somebody tell me why it is more important to recapture that spirit of unity and service , than it is to recapture that feeling of anger and hurt and sorrow&#8230;<br />
Do any of you remember that impatience, that anger?<br />
Personally, it is sickening to me that we have begun to be repelled by war</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>I am sorry if you think asserting ourselves as the greatest nation earth is seen by you as “grudge-nursing” and “vengeance seeking”, but I don’t.<br />
&#8230;</p>
<p>SDM: <i>In my view it’s being able to show you are resilient and will not be afraid or give in to baser instincts.</i><br />
And in which conflict (armed or unarmed) did that lead to victory?</p>
<p>SDM: <i>India</i><br />
&#8230;<br />
As a result of Britain’s failure to act aggressively and assertively in India, they lost India , thus proving MY point</p></blockquote>
<p>- Military action is the only course that must be considered.<br />
- We must nurse our anger and impatience.  We must not consider war a bad thing.<br />
- We must assert ourselves to show how great we are.<br />
- Nothing but giving into our baser instincts ever works.<br />
- Britain should have been MORE aggressive in their oppression.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, Frank.  You never said the words &#8220;a brutal tyranny is the way to go.&#8221;  You only said the US should not consider anything other than military action, that we should nurse our baser instincts and that Britain should have been more aggressive in preserving their empire.  But you&#8217;re not advocating the US follow the course Britain failed to take.  How could anyone think you meant that?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Frank DiSalle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, for the record, S M you moron: Those two sentences were not connected , or even in the same context. You&#039;re no better than the clever by half Zython, cherry picking and word twisting, thinking he has &quot;bested&quot; someone. You are a poorly educated, shallow thinking sophist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, for the record, S M you moron: Those two sentences were not connected , or even in the same context. You&#8217;re no better than the clever by half Zython, cherry picking and word twisting, thinking he has &#8220;bested&#8221; someone. You are a poorly educated, shallow thinking sophist.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I honestly hope you recover from the clostridium difficile soon, Frank. Because the shit is clearly leaking out both ends.

--Sean D. Martin&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ladies and gents, class and cuteness from your far left liberal loon brigade on full display.

&lt;i&gt;clostridium difficile &lt;/i&gt;....So impressive, Sean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I honestly hope you recover from the clostridium difficile soon, Frank. Because the shit is clearly leaking out both ends.</p>
<p>&#8211;Sean D. Martin</p></blockquote>
<p>Ladies and gents, class and cuteness from your far left liberal loon brigade on full display.</p>
<p><i>clostridium difficile </i>&#8230;.So impressive, Sean.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank DiSalle</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fuck you, Martin. 

How&#039;s that for a simple declarative sentence ?

You&#039;re another Keyboard Commando , real brave miles away. If you were at arm&#039;s length, I&#039;d kick your ass so bad , your children would apologize .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fuck you, Martin. </p>
<p>How&#8217;s that for a simple declarative sentence ?</p>
<p>You&#8217;re another Keyboard Commando , real brave miles away. If you were at arm&#8217;s length, I&#8217;d kick your ass so bad , your children would apologize .</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank DiSalle: &lt;i&gt;“If Obama or any Dem breaks the laws” means ‘that could never be, so investigating them is automatically a witch hunt ...

If you lefties are so blamed sure you’re right, why don’t you dispense with the “gotchas” and the word games, and come right out and say what you mean and mean what you say?&lt;/i&gt;

Frank, I very clearly &lt;b&gt;did&lt;/b&gt; say what I meant.  “If Obama or any Dem breaks the laws” means exactly what I actually said.&lt;blockquote&gt;If Obama or any Dem breaks the laws while in office, yes, I’d like to see them held accountable for that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;That you have to claim that a short declarative sentence doesn&#039;t actually say what is clearly does, and that I didn&#039;t come right out and say what I actually did, merely shows how far you will go to twist even the simplest reality to fit your victim fantasies.

I honestly hope you recover from the clostridium difficile soon, Frank.  Because the shit is clearly leaking out both ends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank DiSalle: <i>“If Obama or any Dem breaks the laws” means ‘that could never be, so investigating them is automatically a witch hunt &#8230;</p>
<p>If you lefties are so blamed sure you’re right, why don’t you dispense with the “gotchas” and the word games, and come right out and say what you mean and mean what you say?</i></p>
<p>Frank, I very clearly <b>did</b> say what I meant.  “If Obama or any Dem breaks the laws” means exactly what I actually said.<br />
<blockquote>If Obama or any Dem breaks the laws while in office, yes, I’d like to see them held accountable for that.</p></blockquote>
<p>That you have to claim that a short declarative sentence doesn&#8217;t actually say what is clearly does, and that I didn&#8217;t come right out and say what I actually did, merely shows how far you will go to twist even the simplest reality to fit your victim fantasies.</p>
<p>I honestly hope you recover from the clostridium difficile soon, Frank.  Because the shit is clearly leaking out both ends.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Frank DiSalle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I have to say is:

&lt;i&gt;I suspect any real investigation would be to determine whether he was guilty of
- lying to Congress (run ups to the war, etc.)
- treason (for his role in outing an undercover CIA agent)
- his role in illegal wiretaps
- etc.&lt;/i&gt;

former does not equal prior 


My main argument , that they didn&#039;t anything criminally wrong, should go without saying ( just as you have minimalized getting a blowjob from an intern in the Oval Office  from lying under oath about it).
&quot;If Obama or any Dem breaks the laws&quot; means &#039;that could never be, so investigating them is automatically a witch hunt .

As for making shit up, I never said that a brutal tyranny was the way to go. I can play your game : In no way, shape or form, nowhere, at any time, in any place , did I say, &quot;a brutal tyranny was the way to go&quot;. Now, did I? 

Who do you think you are, Perry Mason?

Gimme a break!

You never said put Dick Cheney on trial, and I never said brutal tyranny is the way to go .

If you lefties are so blamed sure you&#039;re right, why don&#039;t you dispense with the &quot;gotchas&quot; and the word games, and come right out and say what you mean and mean what you say?

My theory? 

In the cold light of day, your beliefs are an amalgam of juvenile hooey, and hoary nostrums, that no one would ever accept if you didn&#039;t keep changing their names and pretending that they were something else .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I have to say is:</p>
<p><i>I suspect any real investigation would be to determine whether he was guilty of<br />
- lying to Congress (run ups to the war, etc.)<br />
- treason (for his role in outing an undercover CIA agent)<br />
- his role in illegal wiretaps<br />
- etc.</i></p>
<p>former does not equal prior </p>
<p>My main argument , that they didn&#8217;t anything criminally wrong, should go without saying ( just as you have minimalized getting a blowjob from an intern in the Oval Office  from lying under oath about it).<br />
&#8220;If Obama or any Dem breaks the laws&#8221; means &#8216;that could never be, so investigating them is automatically a witch hunt .</p>
<p>As for making shit up, I never said that a brutal tyranny was the way to go. I can play your game : In no way, shape or form, nowhere, at any time, in any place , did I say, &#8220;a brutal tyranny was the way to go&#8221;. Now, did I? </p>
<p>Who do you think you are, Perry Mason?</p>
<p>Gimme a break!</p>
<p>You never said put Dick Cheney on trial, and I never said brutal tyranny is the way to go .</p>
<p>If you lefties are so blamed sure you&#8217;re right, why don&#8217;t you dispense with the &#8220;gotchas&#8221; and the word games, and come right out and say what you mean and mean what you say?</p>
<p>My theory? </p>
<p>In the cold light of day, your beliefs are an amalgam of juvenile hooey, and hoary nostrums, that no one would ever accept if you didn&#8217;t keep changing their names and pretending that they were something else .</p>
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		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 01:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang tags.

In case not clear, the &quot;Completely not true ...&quot; and &quot;I don’t want a politician of any party ..&quot; paragraphs in the prior post are mine.  (Not that I really think anyone could mistake those for Frank&#039;s views.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang tags.</p>
<p>In case not clear, the &#8220;Completely not true &#8230;&#8221; and &#8220;I don’t want a politician of any party ..&#8221; paragraphs in the prior post are mine.  (Not that I really think anyone could mistake those for Frank&#8217;s views.)</p>
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		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 01:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank DiSalle: &lt;i&gt;Sean : Thankfully for all Americans, you don’t determine who gets investigated.&lt;/i&gt;

There you go off again, in standard wingnut fashion, challenging someone on something they never said.  I never said I should determine who should be investigated.

&lt;i&gt;It probably has never occurred to you, that WHEN the Republicans occupy the White House again, they might want to investigate the prior incumbents.&lt;/i&gt;

Great, when the Repubs inevitably regain the White House I look forward to their investigations of former incumbents such as Bush et al.

Here&#039;s a difference you just don&#039;t seem to get, Frank.  If Obama or any Dem breaks the laws while in office (Note: breaks the law.  Not gets a blowjob.), yes, I&#039;d like to see them held accountable for that.  My desire for justice doesn&#039;t look at which party the person belongs to.

You&#039;re main argument for not investigating the Repubs isn&#039;t &quot;they didn&#039;t do anything wrong&quot;, but &quot;if you investigate we&#039;ll retaliate&quot;.  That&#039;s almost as reprehensible a view as your insistence that brutal tyranny is the right way to go.

&lt;i&gt;BTW, don’t give me that bilgewater about “innocent until proven guilty”. You wouldn’t want an investigation, if you thought the outcome was going to be innocent Republicans and Democrats with egg on their face.&lt;/i

Completely not true and you can&#039;t point to anything I&#039;ve said that shows otherwise.  Again, you&#039;re making shit up out of whole cloth to object to because you can&#039;t make a reasoned argument against what actually is.

I don&#039;t want a politician of any party to get away with breaking the law.  I don&#039;t for a second believe the best course is to ignore crimes of a prior administration because it is &quot;best for the country&quot;.  On the contrary, I believe it simply convinces the next person that they are above the law and perpetuates the committing of crimes.

&lt;i&gt;And “the dissing of your favorite politician” I was referring to was TMK, not BHO.&lt;/i&gt;

And I was referring to politicians on &quot;our side&quot; in general.  Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Baucus were the ones that came most immediately to mind.  But I wouldn&#039;t exclude Kennedy or any other from the list if they screwed up on something.  But, again, I don&#039;t suppose I can convince you that I know my mind better than you do.

&lt;i&gt;I, for one, have no desire to debate about [health care reform].&lt;/i&gt;

Not at all surprised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank DiSalle: <i>Sean : Thankfully for all Americans, you don’t determine who gets investigated.</i></p>
<p>There you go off again, in standard wingnut fashion, challenging someone on something they never said.  I never said I should determine who should be investigated.</p>
<p><i>It probably has never occurred to you, that WHEN the Republicans occupy the White House again, they might want to investigate the prior incumbents.</i></p>
<p>Great, when the Repubs inevitably regain the White House I look forward to their investigations of former incumbents such as Bush et al.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a difference you just don&#8217;t seem to get, Frank.  If Obama or any Dem breaks the laws while in office (Note: breaks the law.  Not gets a blowjob.), yes, I&#8217;d like to see them held accountable for that.  My desire for justice doesn&#8217;t look at which party the person belongs to.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re main argument for not investigating the Repubs isn&#8217;t &#8220;they didn&#8217;t do anything wrong&#8221;, but &#8220;if you investigate we&#8217;ll retaliate&#8221;.  That&#8217;s almost as reprehensible a view as your insistence that brutal tyranny is the right way to go.</p>
<p><i>BTW, don’t give me that bilgewater about “innocent until proven guilty”. You wouldn’t want an investigation, if you thought the outcome was going to be innocent Republicans and Democrats with egg on their face.&lt;/i</p>
<p>Completely not true and you can&#8217;t point to anything I&#8217;ve said that shows otherwise.  Again, you&#8217;re making shit up out of whole cloth to object to because you can&#8217;t make a reasoned argument against what actually is.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want a politician of any party to get away with breaking the law.  I don&#8217;t for a second believe the best course is to ignore crimes of a prior administration because it is &#8220;best for the country&#8221;.  On the contrary, I believe it simply convinces the next person that they are above the law and perpetuates the committing of crimes.</p>
<p></i><i>And “the dissing of your favorite politician” I was referring to was TMK, not BHO.</i></p>
<p>And I was referring to politicians on &#8220;our side&#8221; in general.  Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Baucus were the ones that came most immediately to mind.  But I wouldn&#8217;t exclude Kennedy or any other from the list if they screwed up on something.  But, again, I don&#8217;t suppose I can convince you that I know my mind better than you do.</p>
<p><i>I, for one, have no desire to debate about [health care reform].</i></p>
<p>Not at all surprised.</p>
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