Conservatives today are pushing this hysterical story about how President Obama’s plan to celebrate 9/11 as a day of service is part of a secret leftist plot to control men’s minds or some such thing.
With the help of the Obama administration, the coalition is launching a public relations campaign under the radar of the mainstream media — which remains almost uniformly terrified of criticizing the nation’s first black president — to try to change 9/11 from a day of reflection and remembrance to a day of activism, food banks, and community gardens.
That’s right, the idea of 9/11 as a day of service is totally an Obama plot, hatched…
What’s that?
A flashback you said?
All the way back to the year 2008, when this guy named George W. Bush was president.
President Bush Renews His Post-9/11 Call to Service; Honors the Compassion of America’s Volunteers
The President gave a broad and passionate speech on the power of volunteers to transform lives and tackle deep-rooted social problems. Recalling the heroism of the first responders and the outpouring of compassion Americans displayed after the terror attacks, the President urged American to rekindle that spirit of neighbor helping neighbor that was so strong after 9/11.
“Volunteerism is strong in the country. But the truth of the matter is, the farther we’ve gotten away from 9/11, that memory has begun to fade,” the President said. “And my call to people is, there’s always a need. You should be volunteering not because of 9/11, but you should be volunteering because our country needs you on a regular basis. And so today I call upon our fellow citizens to devote 4,000 hours over your lifetime in service to your country. You’ll become a better person for it, and our society will be more healthy as a result of it.”
OMG BUSH WAS TOTALLY TEH COMMUNITY ORGANIZERRR!
The sad thing is, as this bunch demonstrated to us for the last 8 years, they don’t give a crap about 9/11. They don’t care about the people who died, and did the best they could to avoid prosecuting, kiling, and capturing those responsible. 9/11 has always been a political prop for the right, and that will never end.
Repubs drinking the Joe Farahade as usual
Making something out of nothing- sort of like Credit Default Swaps.
Is there anything in Pres Bush’s statement about making 9/11 a “Day of Service”? No!
Did I say, “No!”?
I meant, “Hell, no!”
You might as well make Memorial Day a day to cut the grass at military cemeteries , or Veterans’ Day a day to restripe the parking lots at VA Medical Centers.
What would possess the President of the United States to declare the anniversary of the most horrible attack on our nation to be an Area Beautification Day for America?
I’m sorry , this isn’t political — he’s a horse’s ass!
Is there anything in Pres Bush’s statement about making 9/11 a “Day of Service”? No!
Bush: “And my call to people is, there’s always a need. You should be volunteering not because of 9/11, but you should be volunteering because our country needs you on a regular basis.”
That isn’t a day of not-service.
What would possess the President of the United States to declare the anniversary of the most horrible attack on our nation to be an Area Beautification Day for America?
Because its better than another mattress sale and hamburger barbecuing day.
I’m sorry , this isn’t political — he’s a horse’s ass!
Not political? Frank, for the last eight years, Republican politicians have been using 9/11 for every conceivable purpose, good and not. It’s only when a Democrat makes the same suggestion as his Republican predecessor that it bothers you.
Of course it’s political.
Frank DiSalle: Is there anything in Pres Bush’s statement about making 9/11 a “Day of Service”? No!
Did I say, “No!”?
I meant, “Hell, no!”
More I-disagree-just-to-disagree-because-thats-the-way-my-knee-jerks from Frank “Pavlov” DiSalle. sigh.
What would possess the President of the United States to declare the anniversary of the most horrible attack on our nation to be an Area Beautification Day for America?
Is there anything in a statement from Pres Obama about making 9/11 a “Beautification Day”? No!
Did I say, “No!”?
I meant, “Hell, no!”
Gosh, that is kinda fun. (And has the benefit of being true, unlike Frank’s objection as OW just showed.)
Oliver, when you used that pull-quote, did your eyes just glaze over that portion?
SaveFarris: Oliver, when you used that pull-quote, did your eyes just glaze over that portion?
Far less than yours glazed over the sentence that preceded it, I imagine.
Coverage of Bush’s speech at the time:
Also at the same link:
I’ve never died for my country, or been killed in a vicious attack by our country’s enemies, but I like to think that if I had, I’d be sort of touched to have the anniversary of my death turned into a “Day of Service”.
Pres Bush : “You should be volunteering not because of 9/11, but you should be volunteering because our country needs you on a regular basis.” [emphasis added]
not because of 9/11 = not because of 9/11.
Glib, Sean , but meaningless, a Day of Service differs from “Area Beautification” by very little, except maybe visiting the sick , and getting people to register.
Allow me a literary license , please.
I am not disagreeing just to disagree. I heard about this idea a long time, and I spoke about it on my radio show then. I called it stupid then , and it is stupid now.
I haven’t died for my country, Wilbur ( I’m sure you all regret that) but I am an old fashioned guy — I’ll stick with “Taps” and wreaths, and 9 gun salutes.
How about if we serve pancakes at the Old Folks’ Home on Martin Luther King, Jr’s birthday ?
Jesus Christ you people are dense. Bush is saying he believes 9/11 should be a day of service, but it shouldn’t be the only day we do service. This is quite clear.
I agree. Holy cow, if we can’t even agree on something straightforward like that, no wonder people are seeing death panels in the health care bill.
You know, forget the subject of the post: if you are a person who declares himself insulted at the notion of making 9/11 a day of service for your fellow Americans, I fucking despise you.
Frank DiSalle: Glib, Sean , but meaningless…
Just taking my cue from you, Frank. Or did you not recognize your own words being parroted back to you?
…a Day of Service differs from “Area Beautification” by very little, except maybe visiting the sick , and getting people to register.
Seriously, you split hairs on Bush easily enough. Nice double standard.
Allow me a literary license , please.
And then claim you’re not being precise.
I haven’t died for my country, Wilbur ( I’m sure you all regret that) but I am an old fashioned guy — I’ll stick with “Taps” and wreaths, and 9 gun salutes.
As the Freedoms say, Frank, chacqu’un à son goût, but there’s no reason we can’t have both, eh?
How about if we serve pancakes at the Old Folks’ Home on Martin Luther King, Jr’s birthday
Great idea!
How about if we serve pancakes at the Old Folks’ Home on Martin Luther King, Jr’s birthday ?
It’s not like we do much else. But you don’t get any.
I’m sorry , this isn’t political — he’s a horse’s ass!
What? Did Rudy Giuliani come in? Verb, noun, 9/11?
How about if we serve pancakes at the Old Folks’ Home on Martin Luther King, Jr’s birthday
Works for me!
“That isn’t a day of not-service.”
Neither is April 3, or June 4th.
September 11, like December 7th , is a day that should be memorialized because we were attacked, in a treacherous and brutal way, by people who were our enemies. That attack united us in many ways.
It is interesting that while, on December 7th, I am sure there were many brave rescues, and life saving endeavors, we don’t memorialize the First Responders of Honolulu.
The memorial of Pearl Harbor is the nearly sunken U.S.S. Arizona. The Day of Infamy is not memorialized by doing good deeds for the “people of earth”. If you want to memorialize December 7th by going to Church, visiting hospitalized veterans, or baking bread for troops in Basic Training, that is up to you.
But you are not the President. And, as President, I do not believe Pres Obama should turn a day when we should remember that several thousand innocent people (pardon me if if I don’t put the exact number here, but if I am off by a digit, there will be ten comments about it following) were needlessly slain by fanatic followers of a religious cult that still exists, and still exists to destroy us.
Can somebody tell me why it is more important to recapture that spirit of unity and service , than it is to recapture that feeling of anger and hurt and sorrow, that led people to wonder why Pres Bush wasn’t “doing anything” in September, and some of October?
Do any of you remember that impatience, that anger?
Personally, it is sickening to me that we have begun to be repelled by war — is it beneath us or beyond us : which?
If we will not fight for anything, then it can and will be taken away from us. We must stop this attitude that anything must be done rather than military action, and that wars must have deadlines; and after X amount of people have died we must pack it in and go home.
Zython: I am not in an Old Folks’ Home, and I don’t want your pancakes – they’ll probably like look Sonic the HedgeHog.
Duros: Glad you agree with me. Now we can quit calling 9/11 “Do a Good Deed For Your Neighbor Day”
Personally, it is sickening to me that we have begun to be repelled by war
That’s funny. It’s sickening to me that we’re no longer repelled by it. Widespread killing, destruction, maiming, and displacement of populations is something we ought to find repellant.
Personally, it is sickening to me that we have begun to be repelled by war — is it beneath us or beyond us : which?
Well, I can’t speak for anyone else, but for me, it’s both.
several thousand innocent people (pardon me if if I don’t put the exact number here, but if I am off by a digit, there will be ten comments about it following)
3000.
If we will not fight for anything, then it can and will be taken away from us.
The problem here is that the ones doing the fighting AREN’T the ones who decide to throw down the gauntlet.
We must stop this attitude that anything must be done rather than military action, and that wars must have deadlines; and after X amount of people have died we must pack it in and go home.
You’re ignoring the simple concept of cost/benefit. Let me put this in a way you would understand. Would you sacrifice half the population of America for a 5 square mile uninhabited island? The American soldier death toll of World War II was worth stopping Nazi Germany. 4000 U.S. troop deaths is NOT worth making Bush look “tough”.
The problem is wars do have deadlines. People surrender or are captured and hostilities cease. The right has pushed this idea of perpetual war, but human beings for all our warlike tendencies are not wired that way.
Whether its Hitler killing himself and Germany and Japan surrendering, or Kuwait being liberated, or Milosevic being tried for crimes vs. humanity, war has an end.
War shouldn’t be, but it if it is necessary they should be fought and won and be dispensed with as soon as possible.
ALSO: The reason many of us, and I certainly speak for myself, support people like President Obama (and John Kerry and Howard Dean before that) is because they seem serious about doing the right thing with regards to 9/11. That is, attacking and destroying Al Qaeda, with a focus on Osama Bin Laden. The Bush administration was focused on invading Iraq and ignoring Bin Laden. They were, in fact, soft as putty on terrorism.
Quaker: You are a … Quaker .. I respect your beliefs. I also expect you to understand that however right you might think you are, you are in the minority.
Zython: I have explained in this weblog several times what I believe we have gained from the war in Iraq. You can look it up if you wish. At no time did I mention any thing about “Bush looking ‘tough’”
Incidentally, more than 3,000 people were killed in the WTC towers alone, not including the Pentagon, and the fourth plane.
You know how many troops died, but you don’t know how many innocent civilians were killed in one day …
The ones doing the fighting not only volunteer once , but several times, even after being wounded , but you, O mighty Zython have calculated the cost / benefit to be such that we must leave / run away / depart / pull out / skedaddle.
Remember the words of Lyndon Baines Johnson: If you vote for Goldwater , there will be a half a million troops in Vietnam.
In 1965, Goldwater addressed the people who voted for him: Remember when Johnson told you that if you voted for me, there would be 500,000 troops in Vietnam? He was right.
I also expect you to understand that however right you might think you are, you are in the minority.
The minority is often right.
Incidentally, more than 3,000 people were killed in the WTC towers alone, not including the Pentagon, and the fourth plane.
No, just under 3,000 in all, including airline passengers, Pentagon workers, people in the towers and on the street.
A national day of service is a great idea, and I hand it to Bush for coming up with it. (Somewhat perversely, I always thought MLK would be a good day not to close down schools, but to open them up and teach about the Civil Rights movement and race in America.)
A pity the GOP can’t back the exact same thing when it’s suggested by a black man who happens to be president.
Younger Americans aren’t going to know anything about the visceral horror that was 9/11. Asking them to lend a hand in their communities is a small way in which they can contribute and possibly reflect on what happened that day.
Only racist bed-wetters could possibly oppose something as innocuous as this. And right on cue, the GOP along with the wing-nut clowns that troll this site show up. Thanks for keeping it classy guys.
Oliver, I thought you had a valid point until you threw in that garbage at the end. That’s drifting into the insane; I guess the rage from Republican leadership still hasn’t subsided.
No one plays the race card here more than you do, Jaim.
White-guilt, spoiled, elitist, underachieving, private school brats are the last people here who should be lecturing anyone on who’s classy, but it sure fits you.
That is, attacking and destroying Al Qaeda, with a focus on Osama Bin Laden
How’s that going? Caught him yet?
How’s that going? Caught him yet?
*Cough cough* Tora Bora.
I’m sorry. What was the question again?
As I thought, Quaker, there would be some bean counter to correct me.
The Bush administration was focused on invading Iraq and ignoring Bin Laden. They were, in fact, soft as putty on terrorism.
Is that some kind of defensive statement? It doesn’t surprise me, as the implication of Pres Obama’s “Day of Service” (which, by the way, in no way resembles a ‘commitment to service’ as a result of 9/11) is that the the bravery and commitment of policemen, firemen and EMT’s is worthy of memorializing, but not the mind – numbing callousness of murdering nearly 3,000 innocent civilians*
* Thank you, Quaker. If I may steal a joke from Sarah Silverman: “Good thing it wasn’t 3,000 – that would have been unforgiveable”
Good lord! Who would’ve ever thought that making 9/11 a Day of Service rather than leaving it as a day to sit on your ass and do mindless shit would bring such antagonism.
From Tbogg:
“It takes a big man (with a small brain) to come out and admit that Republicans find some sort of “advantage” in owning the anniversary of the day when 2800 people were killed on American soil while on their watch.”
As I thought, Quaker, there would be some bean counter to correct me.
It would have been much easier to let it slide if you hadn’t been so sanctimonious in “correcting” Zython on the number. Just a couple of posts upthread, getting the number of “innocent civilians” right was very important to you. Now it’s just “bean counting”?
It doesn’t surprise me, as the implication of Pres Obama’s “Day of Service” (which, by the way, in no way resembles a ‘commitment to service’ as a result of 9/11)
Because it doesn’t! It just doesn’t! Shut up! Bush [Jr.] was too way better than Obama will ever be! Because!
How’s that going? Caught him yet?
Suddenly and without warning, now you care.
Buzz: dead Americans bother me. Sorry that offends tender nerves.
We’re now back on the hunt for bin laden, yet another failed bush policy. Icymi, he screwed up a lot.
[...] Secret Obama Plan To “Desecrate” 9/11 Supported By …Bush? | Oliver Willis: With the help of the Obama administration, the coalition is launching a public relations campaign under the radar of the mainstream media — which remains almost uniformly terrified of criticizing the nation’s first black president — to try to change 9/11 from a day of reflection and remembrance to a day of activism, food banks, and community gardens. [...]
[...] Benen: First, George W. Bush called for community volunteer work on the anniversary of 9/11, and the right didn’t find it [...]
Duros & Oliver,
if it’s fair to call Bush a failure for not capturing Bin Ladin 6 months after 9/11, then it’s more than fair to call Obama a failure for not capturing Bin Ladin 6 months into office.
Yes SaveFarris, because failing to find and capture your enemy during an invasion of their home territory, with information of their location is exactly the same as finding them in a different region after they’ve had 7 years to entrench themselves..
Idiotically false equivalence FTW!
Frank DiSalle: Can somebody tell me why it is more important to recapture that spirit of unity and service , than it is to recapture that feeling of anger and hurt and sorrow, that led people to wonder why Pres Bush wasn’t “doing anything” in September, and some of October?
Because feeding the anger and hurt leads to suspending laws and torturing people, while recapturing the spirit of unity and service shows our strength as a people.
Because making 9/11 a day to celebrate anger and hurt rots the country from within and shows the world at large that Americans are grudge-nursing vengeance-seekers while standing together doing positive things shows America is resilient and won’t be sidetracked into rash, unjust actions.
Because, if it must be stated in terms you might understand better, nursing it lets the terrorists win. No need for them to attack our freedoms and conquer us. By focusing on our victim hood and hurt and fear we’ll take our own freedoms away.
Corrected.
Nice to see Frank can criticize someone else for exactly what he said he didn’t want to be criticized for. IOKIYFDiS?
wingnut double standards, ladies and gents.
Zython: The problem here is that the ones doing the fighting AREN’T the ones who decide to throw down the gauntlet.
I’ve always wondered how drastically US foreign policy would change if it was the children of Congress that were the first dispatched to any war zone.
Hey, if you’re willing to send my kids to fight and possibly die, then you should be willing to send yours.
SaveFarris: How’s that going? Caught him yet?
Translated Farris: Oh, sure, Bush failed to capture Bin Laden for over seven years. But Obama’s had over seven months. What’s his excuse?
No need for them to attack our freedoms and conquer us. By focusing on our victim hood and hurt and fear we’ll take our own freedoms away.
Unadulterated bullshit. The terrorists are not chuckling somewhere, because we are tracking phone records of calls to the Middle East, or chopping down library doors with fire axes, to see who just read Edward Said. Dead terrorists have lost. Live Americans are better than dead terrorists. Period.
” …standing together doing positive things shows America is resilient and won’t be sidetracked into rash, unjust actions.
I am sorry if you think asserting ourselves as the greatest nation earth is seen by you as “grudge-nursing” and “vengeance seeking”, but I don’t.
I am also sorry you don’t think that pursuing terrorists to the end of the earth is more in the tradition of our campaign against the Barbary Pirates – which resulted in the creation of our “vengeance seeking” US Marine Corps, but I disagree.
I am also sorry that you think that retooling our entire industrial complex for warfare in two years (1940-1942), sending nearly all our able bodied men off to war, while putting our women to work doesn’t exhibit our “American strength”, but I disagree.
I think your problem is that you wish the world were a nicer place, and because you wish it so, you just can’t see why it can’t be so.
Well, I am here to inform you that people are going to keep on killing each other for some time to come. MoveOn is not gonna stop it, liberals aren’t gonna stop it, Democrats aren’t gonna stop it, and Pres Obama isn’t gonna stop it.
You know what might stop it? When the bad guys realize with amazing clarity that messing with innocent civilians leads to certain death. Even Paradise will run out of virgins, eventually
Frank DiSalle: I am sorry if you think asserting ourselves as the greatest nation earth is seen by you as “grudge-nursing” and “vengeance seeking”, but I don’t.
We clearly have a different view as to what makes a country great. To you, apparently, it’s being able to celebrate anger and hurt and to have the biggest stick to prove you can beat up anyone you want regardless of whether they’re the ones who injured you. In my view it’s being able to show you are resilient and will not be afraid or give in to baser instincts. That you will not let criminals go unpunished but won’t disregard the innocents in pursuit of the guilty.
Interesting that the examples you can give are over 60 and over 200 years old.
You know what might stop it? When the bad guys realize with amazing clarity that messing with innocent civilians leads to certain death.
A poor luck to anyone who might get in the way, right? If civil liberties get trampled, if innocents get thrown in jail for years and tortured, if American citizens get illegally spied on. Hey, we’re in pursuit of the bad guys, so what does it matter who gets hurt along the way?
You’re not safe because you’ve built a huge wall and a strong army to defend it. You’re not safe because nobody can hurt you (because no matter what you have someone can always hurt you). You’re safe because nobody wants to hurt you.
I am sorry if you think asserting ourselves as the greatest nation earth is seen by you as “grudge-nursing” and “vengeance seeking”, but I don’t.
Did…did you just admit that the Iraq war was nothing more than a pissing contest?
I am also sorry you don’t think that pursuing terrorists to the end of the earth is more in the tradition of our campaign against the Barbary Pirates – which resulted in the creation of our “vengeance seeking” US Marine Corps, but I disagree.
By the way, how’s Osama doing?
In my view it’s being able to show you are resilient and will not be afraid or give in to baser instincts.
And in which conflict (armed or unarmed) did that lead to victory?
A[nd] poor luck to anyone who might get in the way, right?
If you say so. But I didn’t say that.
“Estimates of total dead range from 50 million to over 70 million.” How many of them do you suppose were uniformed soldiers. But, I forgot, that was over 60 years ago, and on New Earth, there is no war, because America has no enemies.
Zython:
a) No, I did not
b) I have no idea how Osama’s doing – Perhaps Pres NotBush will find him soon when he trades in his clunker for cash.
“Estimates of total dead range from 50 million to over 70 million.” refers to World War II .. Sorry
“You know what might stop it? When the bad guys realize with amazing clarity that messing with innocent civilians leads to certain death.”
The fear of certain death was certainly an effective deterrent on 9/11/01, right?
Actually, Gus, their belief that there would probably be no recriminations , probably emboldened them . I am well aware that there are crazed terrorists willing to commit suicide for Allah — there is not an infinite supply. Whatever they want to do, they can’t do it posthumously.
And I don’t believe they will just pack up and go away when we leave the Middle East. I ask you: What had we done to deserve such deeds?
No, I did not
Shall we add this to the list of things you “didn’t say”?
I have no idea how Osama’s doing – Perhaps Pres NotBush will find him soon
Would be yet another one of Bush’s messes he would have to clean up.
Bush capturing OBL would have demonstrated American strength.
Bush invading the wong country and turning it into a hot-bed of Muslim radicalism (exactly what Saddam stood against, like it or not) demonstrated Republican stupidity.
Shall we add this to the list of things you “didn’t say”?
No, Zython, let’s add it to the list of things you pretend I said, a list which is fast approaching the size of the Washington DC Yellow Pages.
No matter how many “no” or “hell no”s you insert, the truth remains there is no mention of 9/11, or, the “attack” on 9/11 or any hint at all this speech is connected to 9/11. The writer quoted nothing in this speech, but from right after 9/11 when the President mentioned volunteering. There was no connection then making 9/11 a volunteer holiday. The 9/11 label was conveniently attached to anything the writer could find to deflect the attention of Obamas dumbing down of the most horrific day in America since Pearl Harbor. So, stop the “wrapping” of George Bush on all of the Obama blunders so far. You can re-read the speech here:
http://www.americorps.gov/about/newsroom/statements_detail.asp?tbl_pr_id=1000
I’ll make a bet you don’t know who the day was named for:
“Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act of 2009″
http://www.nationalservice.gov/about/serveamerica/index.asp
I also viewed the (Bush) speech. I also know the people Obama surrounds himself with and they are not people who our founding fathers would approve of. In fact, I believe they would be hanged for treason. Look for yourself, I’ll bet you are afraid to because of what you would find out, and then you would have to write about it. (and they would read it)
Frank DiSalle: And in which conflict (armed or unarmed) did that lead to victory?
Easy. Indian Independence from Britain.
SDM: A[nd] poor luck to anyone who might get in the way, right?
Frank DiSalle: If you say so. But I didn’t say that.
Well, then, by all means explain how you’re going to pursue terrorists to the ends of the earth to show them and the world that you’ve got a bigger penis than anyone (which is what you’ve been advocating) without harming large numbers of innocents? Certainly the course taken in recent years in Iraq and Afghanistan wouldn’t be ones you’d cite as examples.
Frank DiSalle: You know what might stop it? When the bad guys realize with amazing clarity that messing with innocent civilians leads to certain death.
Frank DiSalle: Actually, Gus, their belief that there would probably be no recriminations , probably emboldened them .
Certainty of death will make the bad guys stop.
And
Certainty of death emboldens them.
wingnut consistency, ladies and gents.
Well, then, by all means explain how you’re going to pursue terrorists to the ends of the earth to show them and the world that you’ve got a bigger penis than anyone (which is what you’ve been advocating)
Looks like I wasn’t the only one that read that meaning in Frank’s rant.
Zython: Looks like I wasn’t the only one that read that meaning in Frank’s rant.
You mean it isn’t obvious?
“We must stop this attitude that anything must be done rather than military action, …
“asserting ourselves as the greatest nation earth …”
and so on and etc and beat your chest and damn the torpedoes (or innocents) because that’s just what happens in war and it’s essential the US assert itself because what’s the use of having the biggest
cockin the world if you don’t get toshow it offuse it once in a while.Warfare’s relation to penis size is an old canard long ago disproved (as have been most of Freud’s cocaine distorted musings). Besides, I know what’s on my mind better than either you or Zython ( poor fellow, he often doesn’t know what’s on his mind).
Many political and strategical analysts ( I wouldn’t say all, but I am tempted) agree that nearly all nations, especially aggressor / authoritarian nations will respond favorably to strength, but sneer at accommodation, which they view as weakness. No penises are mentioned in the analysis.
The example of India is a poor one. As a result of Britain’s failure to act aggressively and assertively in India, they lost India , thus proving MY point, not yours.
Frank DiSalle: Warfare’s relation to penis size is an old canard long ago disproved
PLease show proof of your work. After all, as with which VP is second worse ever, one should be able to provide all sorts of support for their opinion.
I know what’s on my mind better than either you or Zython ( poor fellow, he often doesn’t know what’s on his mind).
SO you not only know your mind better than anyone else, you know Zython’s better, too. At least you’re consistent in having a double standard and accusing others of exactly what you do yourself.
authoritarian nations will respond favorably to strength, but sneer at accommodation, which they view as weakness.
Who said anything about accommodation? Did Ghandi accommodate? Choosing not to throw your weight around isn’t accommodation. But naturally you can’t see anything short of going in with all guns blazing as anything else.
As a result of Britain’s failure to act aggressively and assertively in India, they lost India , thus proving MY point, not yours.
So, again, you conclusively show that you believe entirely that might does make right and that anyone who can oppress a people should do so.
Nice, Frank.
“As a result of Britain’s failure to act aggressively and assertively in India, they lost India , thus proving MY point, not yours.”
If we’d gone around shooting people we still would have lost it, just slower and with many, many, many more dead people involved.
Not as if it was ours in the first place.
As a result of Britain’s failure to act aggressively and assertively in India, they lost India
Failure to act aggre…? What? The British murdered thousands. Imprisoned tens of thousands. Enforced colonial rule with armed occupation.
Didn’t “act aggressively and assertively”?
Holy cats, Frank, that’s an amazing statement.
Hey Frank,
Here is a quote for you -
“Today President Barack Obama created a historic, enduring and compassionate legacy that truly honors the 9/11 victims and their families, first responders and rescue and recovery workers, the soldiers who have take up arms to defend our freedom and safety, and the many volunteers who spontaneously contributed their efforts in the immediate aftermath of 9/11,” said David Paine, founder and president of MyGoodDeed.org, the nonprofit group that led a seven-year campaign to formally establish 9/11 as an annually recognized day of service and remembrance. “There isn’t a better or more fitting way to remember 9/11 than for all of us as Americans to voluntarily set aside time on the anniversary of the September 11 attacks to help others in need.”
“As a 9/11 family member, I cannot think of more inspiring, appropriate and constructive tribute to my late brother and all those who perished, were injured or rose in service – to rekindle at least for one day each year the remarkable spirit of compassion and service that unified our country,” said MyGoodDeed.org co-founder and vice president Jay S. Winuk, whose younger brother Glenn J. Winuk, an attorney, volunteer firefighter and EMT, died in the line of duty in the collapse of the World Trade Center. “This groundbreaking national service legislation will greatly benefit the nation in so many meaningful ways as we face these challenging times.”
http://www.citizencorps.gov/news/press/2009/9-11-dayofservice.shtm
And, if you’re going to use our country’s fallen soldiers to pimp your point, it’s a 21gun-salute, not a 9 gun-salute. Get it straight. It’s the least you could do.
I still can’t get over the fact that he thinks it’s a bad thing we lost it in the first place.
I still can’t get over the fact that he thinks it’s a bad thing we lost it in the first place.
I didn’t say it was good or bad. Britain could have been far more brutal, but they saw that the Indians were determined. Whether they should have left India in 1948 , or bled slowly until 1968, the fact is, the accommodation of the British did not lead the Indians to stay in the Empire: weren’t they supposed to love the British? After all, Canada stayed in the Commonwealth.
One more thing – I’d like to work on that “penis and warfare” thing , but I have to go to the hospital I am fighting a bacteria called “clostridium difficile”.
By the way, Jaim, you insensitive prick, your father may be in diapers one day, if you ever develop a conscience , you’ll regret remarks like that — you ageist asshole.
And, the government doesn’t pay for anything, you jimoke – the taxpayers do. Since you’re working out of country, you’re not paying taxes, which means you are paying nothing for my care, you 씹새끼
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India are still in the Commonwealth too. In fact, they practically invented it.
Quaker in a B: Holy cats, Frank, that’s an amazing statement.
I know. I found it almost unbelieveable when I first read it. Frank really believes tyrants are the good guys.
Frank DiSalle: I didn’t say it was good or bad. Britain could have been far more brutal, but they saw that the Indians were determined.
Proving my point. The British were brutal, oppressive, better armed and wielded their might. The Indians were determined, resolved. And victorious.
Frank DiSalle: the fact is, the accommodation of the British did not lead the Indians to stay in the Empire: weren’t they supposed to love the British? After all, Canada stayed in the Commonwealth.
Seriously, this gets more incredible with each sentence. Britain maintained it’s occupation of India with a brutal fist. And shame on India for not loving their oppressors once they left?
Hope you’re never on a jury in a wife-beating case, Frank.
Frank DiSalle: but I have to go to the hospital I am fighting a bacteria called “clostridium difficile”.
Let’s just hope you have good insurance….
Britain maintained it’s occupation of India with a brutal fist. And shame on India for not loving their oppressors once they left?
Well, the Brits did teach them cricket, after all.
“There isn’t a better or more fitting way to remember 9/11 than for all of us as Americans to voluntarily set aside time on the anniversary of the September 11 attacks to help others in need.”
From the same page : “Our hope is to organize the single largest day of service in U.S. history on the 10th anniversary of 9/11″
So, forget that nonsense.
As to that war and penises issues, I regret to inform you that I found only one expert on the issue: the late philosopher, military strategist and geopolitician — George Carlin.
Here ya go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDkhzHQO7jY
Sean : we agree to disagree – nonaggression and nonviolence gave India victory; failure to act boldly and decisively in protecting her own interest, gave Britain Defeat.
And will all you clowns stop acting like I am in favor of this or in favor of that , because I describe how it turns out without a “denounce” or a “deplore”?
Frank DiSalle: Sean : we agree to disagree – nonaggression and nonviolence gave India victory; failure to act boldly and decisively in protecting her own interest, gave Britain Defeat.
Yeah, I’ll agree that what you see as “bold and decisive” I see as brutal and oppressive. And that you firmly believe that Britain’s failure is that they weren’t brutal and oppressive enough.
Yeah, I agree that by being resolved and strong India won independence. And despite being aggressive, brutal and violent Britain failed to win.
Any rational person would see this as an argument for NOT following the tyrant’s method. But not you, Frank.
(And what’s this obsession you’ve gotten with your penis size? You’re the only one who keeps mentioning them. Touched a nerve?)
And what’s this obsession you’ve gotten with your penis size? You’re the only one who keeps mentioning them.
Them? Is Frank really Stacy Brown?
failure to act boldly and decisively in protecting her own interest, gave Britain Defeat.
Just a reminder.
Frank DiSalle: It probably has never occurred to you, that WHEN the Republicans occupy the White House again, they might want to investigate the prior incumbents.
It actually has occurred to me. And I’m certain that, if Bush/Cheney et al are investigated that the Repubs will retaliate by launching an investigation of Obama/Biden et al (or whoever the most recent Dem Pres/VP are).
I don’t thikn that’s justification for not investigating possible crimnial acts. I don’t think a murder suspect (to pick an extreme example for clarity) should be let go because they might try to kill anyone who might testify against them.
But just to make sure I don’t mistakenly say you’re in favor of something because you describe how it turns out without a “denounce” or a “deplore”, state it planly for us.
Do you believe criminals should not be investigated/prosecuted because they will retaliate if they are?
Frank DiSalle: As to that war and penises issues, I regret to inform you that I found only one expert on the issue: the late philosopher, military strategist and geopolitician — George Carlin.
Here ya go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDkhzHQO7jY
Nice clip, Frank. I like the part where he says, [2:20]
But you’re referring to the part where he says [5:15]
Congratulations, Frank. You’ve hit Farris-level. You’ve linked to something that exactly contradicts your point. Well done.