Only Election Prediction I’ll Make
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Corzine will win re-election in New Jersey, barring any live boy/dead girl type revelations. New Jersey is that shiny thing out there for the GOP but they can’t catch it.
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New Jersey…The flashing beacon of democrat corruption! Woot! You should be so proud.
WooooooooooHoooooooo!!!!!! New Jersey rocks!!!!!!!
Corruption is a time honored tradition in New Jersey. Democrats and Republicans do it. No one party has a corner on the corruption market. I agree with Oliver.
Well its better than the corruption that infested Washington under Bush and the GOP.
Hate to say it, but Oliver’s probably right. When Corzine sinks past the point of no return, the NJ Democrat Party will just pull a Lautenberg and replace Corzine with Springstein.
I might have to revise an earlier opinion of mine.
I used to think that Louisiana and Illinois were the rivals for “most corrupt state.” New Jersey seems bound and determined to prove it’s a contender.
And, by an odd and inexplicable coincidence, all three are staunch Democratic strongholds.
Oh, and Oliver? It might be time to revise the “dead girl/live boy” thing. Ted Kennedy survived the first, and Jim McGreevy almost survived the second…
J.
Bobby “The Intern” Jindal and David “Diaper” Vitter are Democrats?
“warrants are gay”-Chris Christie
I used to think that Louisiana and Illinois were the rivals for “most corrupt state.” New Jersey seems bound and determined to prove it’s a contender.
I, for one, am glad that we are finally getting the recognition we deserve.
NJ, for some reason, appears to sing an irresistable siren-song to the Republicans who keep reaching for it. I think part of it is that NJ seems like it should lean republican: plenty of wealthy people and working class whites and a history of popular Republican governors. And it never works for the Republicans. The Republicans are a bit too creepy, a bit too tied to their southern wing, and a bit out of touch with the new economy even when it comes to appealing to the wealthy.
Also working against the Republicans is the fact that NJ has become a big destination for immigrants of all kinds from all over the world, and because once you scratch the surface of lots of anti-illegal-immigration protesters you find all-too-many people who have trouble with immigrants and non-native-english-speakers of all kinds, the Republican party just doesn’t seem like a natural fit for them.
Baton Rouge is our sister city here in Providence.
and Jim McGreevy almost survived the second…
“Almost” ain’t in the Governor’s mansion.
To Jay Tea: McGreevey had an affair with a grown man, not a boy, you libel-spewing fuck.
(Imitating jr.): “false charges of pedophilia are okay as long as they are directed towards Democrats”-jay tea.
The only people playing around with young boys recently in politics were Republicans.
Oh, Oliver. Don’t be a “libel-spewing fuck.” Foley (the despicable swine) made certain his would-be victims were of the legal age of consent.
That would be why no charges were ever filed.
And I shouldn’t have brought up McGreevey. I should have mentioned the late Gerry Studds (D-MA). He banged an underage male page and still had a long, prosperous career in Congress.
My apologies.
J.
And don’t worry, Oliver. If things get too close, the Jersey Supreme Court might rule again that “a Republican might win” constitutes pretty much the same thing as “a candidate dies” and replace him on the ballot.
As far as Louisiana goes… what’s the corruption scandal on Jindal? And it’s really the corrupt Democratic machine of New Orleans (and, to a lesser extent, Baton Rouge) that really give the state its standing.
J.
“what’s the corruption scandal on Jindal?”
Oh none, he’s just a train-wreck of a potential national candidate.
Vitter. Foley. Craig. Ensign. Sanford. The C Street house.
Who did I leave out?
No doubt both parties have had their brushes with scandal, but anyone under 40 equates either “sex scandal” or, more probably, “gay sex scandal” witht the GOP. No denying it.
And LA went for McCain in 2008. Hardly a Dem bastion, especially after the exodus of blacks from the state in the literal wake of Bush’s botched handling of Katrina.
But please Jay, continue. I realize facts have little effect on you.
Shorter Jaim:
“I got nothing on Jindal, but since he’s a Republican, he’s GOTTA be dirty! And let’s bury how badly Nagin and Blanco fucked up in Katrina.”
J.
Hardly a Dem bastion, especially after the exodus of blacks from the state in the literal wake of Bush’s botched handling of Katrina.
Louisiana’s overall status as a Democratic stronghold has weakened well before Katrina. 3 out of the 4 governors before Blanco were Republicans and Edwin Edwards can’t do much from behind bars.
Vitter. Foley. Craig. Ensign. Sanford. The C Street house. Who did I leave out?
…but anyone under 40 equates either “sex scandal” … with
the GOP.Bill Clintonfixed.
“anyone under 40 equates either “sex scandal” or, more probably, “gay sex scandal” witht the GOP”
Barney Frank’s gay brothel anyone? Yeah, yeah, he didn’t know…kinda like Fannie & Freddie are perfectly sound and yes we do, no we don’t need to promote a home ownership society.
As somebody who hails from the great state of New Jersey, I can say that corruption there makes the state of Illinois look like child’s play (though Chicago machine politics are still numero uno). James McGreevey was a corrupt SOB when he was the Mayor of Woodbridge, long before he was using state funds to hire his gay lover. Senator Menendez has skeletons in his closet that will surface at some point as I remember his little dirty deals going back to when he was a mere Congressman and before that, Mayor of Union City.
And yes, while corruption in that state has hit both Republicans and Democrats, Democrats have a VERY STRONG upper hand in that department as the bulk of the state is Democratic. Your Republican pockets are in the western part of the state and southern areas where you have the largest retiree population outside of Florida.
I found this part of the story interesting:
“The new poll was not commissioned by any candidate or party committee, but was paid for by an undisclosed group of business and issue-centered clients.”
Translation: The poll was commissioned by a bunch of people who want to make sure they get their pockets lined and are trying to narrow down who they should support.
Oliver is right. Corzine will enjoy the distinction of being re-elected despite being a horrible Governor simply because people perceive he’s “not as” corrupt as his opponent. What a wonderful state.
Maybe Corzine can pay this guy a visit while he’s in The Garden State.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090825/ap_on_re_us/us_gadhafi_not_welcome;_ylt=AlUuNwxrepBuNFHDZGzXFQqs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTM4MDQxbHAwBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkwODI1L3VzX2dhZGhhZmlfbm90X3dlbGNvbWUEY3BvcwM2BHBvcwMzBHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5faGVhZGxpbmVfbGlzdARzbGsDbmp0b3dud2lzaGVz
And don’t worry, Oliver. If things get too close, the Jersey Supreme Court might rule again that “a Republican might win” constitutes pretty much the same thing as “a candidate dies” and replace him on the ballot.
Allow me, a voice of authority on all things New Jersey to speak: you have no idea what you’re talking about you dumb fuck. The NJ Courts basically followed the same precedent that the Republicans used, but the Republicans were merely the ones to get screeching and indignant about it and went on to mindlessly repeat ignorant talking points they were fed on the matter to feed their sense of grievance. Let’s face the facts here: one of the reasons Republicans don’t win in NJ is that Republicans are a bunch of ignorant boobs who can’t hack it when they have to deal with the comparatively not-taking-any-bullshit voters in NJ. The funny thing is how you claim to be an “independent,” but when Republicans demand that you believe something stupid, you obey, lacking any independent intellectual agency of your own.
Jay Tea, you have a problem: you’re a worthless shit and an ignorant ass incapable of doing anything but spewing Republican talking points to give comfort to your otherwise worthless life that you wasting shilling for Republicans. I suggest you purge yourself of the Republican filth and excrement you’ve filled your head with. When you start spewing the ignorant Republican talking points like a mindless idiot, it’s just another reminder of the waste and stupidity that has defined your life, particularly when you constantly shilled for the Bush administration. Your dumb little posts serve as a reminder that you haven’t learned anything and don’t plan to. Wasting your life as worthless, ignorant shit who repeats Republican talking points is no way to go through things. Didn’t your mother ever tell you to learn anything?
Jay Tea, you have a problem: you’re a worthless shit and an ignorant ass incapable of doing anything but spewing Republican talking points to give comfort to your otherwise worthless life that you wasting shilling for Republicans. I suggest you purge yourself of the Republican filth and excrement you’ve filled your head with. When you start spewing the ignorant Republican talking points like a mindless idiot, it’s just another reminder of the waste and stupidity that has defined your life, particularly when you constantly shilled for the Bush administration. Your dumb little posts serve as a reminder that you haven’t learned anything and don’t plan to. Wasting your life as worthless, ignorant shit who repeats Republican talking points is no way to go through things. Didn’t your mother ever tell you to learn anything?
Wow. Project much?
Wow. Project much?
How so? I’m the one who knows how NJ laws work. Jay Tea and the Republican shit shovelers who tell him what to say don’t. Jay Tea hates learning and only repeats what he’s told because he’s morally incapable of acting in any other way.
Jay, I’m not the one who is talking about political stuff he knows nothing about. Jay Tea is an intellectual waste of space who styles himself an “independent” but mouths off the ignorant Republican like a dumb trained monkey and uses his stupidity as a cloak of superiority. That kind of stubborn ignorance is a moral offense, and I have no tolerance for that kind of bullshit. If you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, then you shouldn’t spew Republican talking points in an effort to pretend you have something to say. Jay Tea didn’t know what the hell he was talking about. He mouthed off about NJ laws because he thought sayinhg something a republican had fed him was “cute,” when in fact it was a falsehood meant to keep his kind “following the party line,” while he was far too stupid to figure out what was going on. I realize that in Republican circles, Jay Tea’s behavior and ignorance is a virtue, but his mother, his teachers, and the rest of society thinks that such behavior is shameful.
“If you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, then you shouldn’t spew Republican talking points in an effort to pretend you have something to say”
So Tyro, one is now to assume that you know everything about Republican talking points?
Oh, my, I’m being schooled by a self-proclaimed novice. Oh, the shame.
First up, my mother hasn’t told me much in about 20 years. She hasn’t spoken much since she died in 1989.
Now for more substantive stuff: you wanna explain how Torricelli got off the ballot long after the deadline for having his name removed and his candidacy replaced? The law was clear — only a major event like the candidate dying was grounds for changing candidates that late in the contest. The NJ Democrats argued that having Torricelli’s corruption exposed left him politically dead, and that was just as good as him being really dead, so they swapped in Lautenberg — after Forrester had geared himself up to crush Torricelli. And the NJ Supreme Court went along.
Kind of like how in Massachusetts in 2004, they had to change the law because there was a chance a Republican might get the Senate seat. Now, five years later, the changed law gives a Republican a shot at a Senate seat, so they gotta change it back.
Come on, rookie. Explain why the law in Jersey was so bad, so wrong, that it had to be overturned. And while you’re at it, try to explain how no one in the state realized the law was so bad until OMFG A REPUBLICAN MIGHT WIN!!!!!
As for the rest of your spew… I’ve been called far worse, by far better people than you. That’s hardly a blip on the radar, you prat.
J.
Jay Tea, you’re an idiot who just says whatever Republicans tell you to say. The NJ courts were working off precedent given that the Republicans were able to do the same thing in a primary. The SCOTUS went along. Not “fair,” I suppose in a cosmic sense, but that’s the way the law worked. You’re just a little gnat repeating Republican talking points like an obedient little piece of shit who thinks that saying whatever Republicans tell him to say will make him seem cool and desperate to find something to be indignant about and you’re choosing to remain stupid to feed your resentment. It might sound smart to the worthless dumb people you associate with, but it doesn’t fly here where people actually know what they’re talking about. Republican talking points should not substitute for facts.
Kind of like how in Massachusetts in 2004, they had to change the law because there was a chance a Republican might get the Senate seat. Now, five years later, the changed law gives a Republican a shot at a Senate seat, so they gotta change it back.
That is the way that laws work. You pass a bill, the governor signs it (or is overridden if he vetoes), and it becomes law. If you have the votes, you can change the laws. Didn’t you ever learn civics? Oh, right — you didn’t, because you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Seriously, your penchant for mindlessly repeating whatever Republicans tell you to say is shameful and trying to dress it up as an interest in politics is dishonest. You’re a dumb, immoral little shitstain, which I’m sure is just dandy when you’re mouthing off to your dumb little shitstain friends, but when you’re faced with people who know what the hell they’re talking about, it comes across as pretty disgusting.
Stripped of the bullshit (and that takes a lot of stripping), Newbie reveals his political philosophy:
“Might makes right.”
No overarching principles, no core beliefs, no room for integrity or honesty or decency. If you can do it, you’re right and those you steamroll over have no business complaining.
Why was the Jersey case settled correctly? Because it was settled.
Why was a gubernatorial appointment for a Senate vacancy in Massachusetts a bad idea in 2004, but a moral imperative today? Because the Massachusetts legislature says so.
But let me put it in our native language, Tyro:
You’re a worthless little fuckwad, and your mother committed a crime against humanity when she didn’t just suck off the 47 men who paid her pimp a quarter each the night you were conceived.
J.
Are folks aware that even the sainted George Washington had a nasty run-in with the ever grasping hand of New Jersey during the War of Independence? It seems as if New Jersey residents wanted to charge the Colonial Army a fee for transporting them across the Delaware River. Washington was livid when he heard about it and sent a letter to New Jersey officials expressing his dismay.
Yeah, it’s in the water.
The NJ courts were working off precedent
What precedent? The ‘precedent’ they relied on involved that of a candidate who DIED. There was no set of circumstances (death, illness, conviction, indictment, etc.) that precluded Torricelli from remaining on the ballot other than polls that said he was going to lose.
The law in NJ was pretty clear. “…in the event of a vacancy, which shall occur not later than the 51st day before the general election.” Democrats switched 33 days before. The court ruled however that such laws should be “liberally construed.” Hilarious.
The whole process was a farce and the decision was an absolute joke, but par for the course for NJ politics.
Jay – NJ resident for 20 years.
Corzine’s a shoo-in now that we’ve turned the corner on the economy yet again.
joaquin, were you aware that link you provided is all about John McCain’s new BFF?
My one prediction: Bill White, the Democratic mayor of Houston, will succeed Kay Bailey Hutchison in the Senate.
Joe Scarborough got past the dead girl thing.
Resigned his seat to “spend time with the family”.
And went on TV, got his own show.