The Texas Advance Directives Act (1999), also known as the Texas Futile Care Law, describes certain provisions that are now Chapter 166 of the Texas Health & Safety Code. Controversy over these provisions mainly centers on Section 166.046, Subsection (e), which allows a health care facility to discontinue life-sustaining treatment against the wishes of the patient or guardian ten days after giving written notice if the continuation of life-sustaining treatment is considered medically inappropriate by the treating medical team.
The law was signed by George W. Bush, when he was governor of Texas. Death panels!
IOKIYAR!
In Québec, we have a largeish third party that suggests that a commitee would evaluate if a patient would pay back free care provided to him in his lifetime, ex. a retired person won’t pay much taxes anymore, a welfare child will likely have lower income than a middle-class child, etc.
That party openly admires the American right. (actually, part of America’s bad reputation might be due to the fanatism and stupidity of the pro-americans – they take the worst of the USA as a model)
IOKIYAR, exactly.
Black Presidents want to kill gramma. White ones want to save her.
God told Bush to save Gramma by killing her.
Big difference.
“Rush told me to ignore this story”-Chris Wallace
You get to kill Grandma after 7 conditions are met , all conveniently ignored by
the Redactor – in – ChiefOliver. I wonder if all these conditions are present under Obamacare?As I am certain none of you have read it, I don’t expect an answer.
Incidentally, having been a trainer in Advanced Directives in Mental Health, I have some familiarity with Advanced Directives in medical situations, and DNR documents. Similar laws exist in many states.
To put it simply: If the cost of medical care has become prohibitive, AND there is little chance the patient will survive, AND there is no pre-existing document, AND there are no family members to provide guidance, AND there is no alternative medical facility that will take the patient, THEN you can send Grandma off to the Heavenly Choir.
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Frank DiSalle: I wonder if all these conditions are present under Obamacare?
Stay with wondering, Frank. Much easier than actually finding out, right?
Frank DiSalle: AND there are no family members to provide guidance
Not exactly true, now is it. The wishes of family members can be overruled by the Drs and court.
I wonder if all these conditions are present under Obamacare?
No they are not, because the “Kill Gramma” provision doesn’t exist.
As I am certain none of you have read it, I don’t expect an answer.
And you’d be wrong.
Again.
Yes , it is true. Reread the specs in the Texas law as cited in WikiPedia , where family is mentioned:
You are required to do this regularly as you get older.
That’s not in the bill.
SDM: Not exactly true, now is it. The wishes of family members can be overruled by the Drs and court.
Frank DiSalle: Yes , it is true. …
…It seems as if the court and the medical facility can overrule the family, but it;s not easy
Nobody said it was easy, Frank. Only that it was possible. That the wishes of the family could be overruled.
And yet, even when you refer to exactly that passage yourself, admit it could be done and providing an example, you’re apparently compelled to start with a contradictory “Yes, it is true.”
wingnut Pavlovian conditioning, ladies and gents.
You and I both know that “end – of – life counseling” is about whether your life should end, and you are talking to a doctor, who has God-like attributes in your eyes. You are required to do this regularly as you get older.
God, you really are insistent on lies as truth, aren’t you? “Death panels have been touroughly discredited yet you still flat out proclaim they exist and that things are mandatory.
I know no such thing. I do not “know” that end-of-life counselling is about whether your life should end. I.e., about whether you should be allowed to continue living. I do know that such counseling is about you choosing what you would like to have done at the end of your life including whether you would like heroic life sustating measures used to perpetuate your life at all costs.
And I do know that such counseling sessions are completely, entirely voluntary.
I don’t have to discuss with a doctor what I want to do…
Nobody does, Frank. Nobody is forced to have a counseling session with anybody. And you know it.
So, just STFU, Frank.
So the moral of the story really is IOKIYAR. Amazing. I’ve experienced self-righteous zombies in my own travels, but what intrigues me most, is the question: Who’s the architect, the brains, the Genghis of this wingnut horde? It can’t be coincidence that most American crapeaters are conservatives.
The so-called “death panels” piece of the legislation , yes , so it’s not in the bill – now …
Apparently, none of you know how government regulations work. First, it’s truly voluntary. But then there is something that will be withheld if you don’t have the counseling — even if you make no decision at all.
As a former government employee ( 15 years ) I knew exactly how to make taxpayers think that things that were voluntary, were compulsory, or, at least, let them believe it, because it made our job easier.
and , oh yeah, Derf, when you and your ilk stop regurgitating the NYTimes LATimes WAPO and MSNBC, you can talk about independent thinking. ‘Til then , don’t bother me with your mindless cogitations.
And a special message to you, derF (you can ask someone who you’re sure has been to Viet Nam what it means) du’u mi’ami!
The so-called “death panels” piece of the legislation , yes , so it’s not in the bill – now …
Should be : The so-called “death panels” piece of the legislation was removed, so , yes , so it’s not in the bill – now …
The so-called “death panels” piece of the legislation , yes , so it’s not in the bill – now …
It’s not in the version that cleared one Senate committee. Still in the House bill, tho. Still in the version that came out of other Senate committees.
None of the versions made counseling mandatory, your vast experience in governmental deception notwithstanding.
Frank DiSalle: The so-called “death panels” piece of the legislation , yes , so it’s not in the bill – now …
Nor was it ever. As you admit was the case in your very next sentence.
Apparently, none of you know how government regulations work. First, it’s truly voluntary. But then there is something that will be withheld if you don’t have the counseling — even if you make no decision at all.
God, Frank, you used to have some semblance of sense. What happened to you, guy?
SDM: in your very next
sentenceparagraph.Quaker in a B: Still in the House bill, tho. Still in the version that came out of other Senate committees.
Nope, not in those either. The voluntary end-of-life consultations is. “Death panels” or anything remotely like them haven’t been in any of the bills.