THAT was what I was responding to, Sean.

By choosing for yourself what elspi saw as proof of global warming. elspi can really speak for him/herself, but I’d think a reasonable person would assume s/he was referring to the existence of the heat wave and “Environmental experts warn that because of climate change, such heat waves are expected to increase in number in coming years” and not the shortcomings of the healthcare system as “proof” of warming.

Reasoning is really a challenge for you, isn’t it?

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN07651650

Wow. Imagine how well they perform in years when there isn’t a once-in-a-lifetime heat wave.

elspi, 12:14: Yes, he is that stupid. He confuses proof of global warming with proof that no one goes to france for medical care.

THAT was what I was responding to, Sean.

I see you’re reading comprehension continues to have an inverse relationship with your ability to completely try to misdirect the point.

Nobody was suggesting “a complex health system, widespread failure among agencies and health services to coordinate efforts, and chronically insufficient care for the elderly” was proof of global warming.

Logic is really a challenge for you, isn’t it?

Still batting 1000 with the completely irrelevant links, I see.

Keep the streak going, Farris!

Weirdly, that’s what Team Health Care Reform argues as well. Hooray! Bipartisanship. Now if we can only get J. to admit that he made a stinky when he said that under single-payer systems, additional health care is forbidden. If only.

Why is Jaim’s physical location such a notable issue to you in so many comments? How is it relevant to his ability to understand the current debate? I find it notable that you bring it up so often in place of making a reasonable point.

And yet you have your own B which you’re claiming follows directly and inevitably from A.

Under the current system medical decisions are made by insurance company bureaucrats. You’re saying under a reformed system those decisions will be made by gov’t bureaucrats.

Guess it’s a now win?

I’m saying I’m far less concerened with the survival of the current system than I am of the people it is supposed to serve.

I don’t suppose you were actually advocating for the system uber alles (although certainly not convinced you weren’t, either), but your phrasing was too sweet to pass up. Very much in line with the mindless who believe the state must be protected at all costs without considering for a moment as to why.

It happened during the month when most of their medical establishment was on vacation. Along with most of the country. And while medical personnel were limited, by law, to 35-hour work weeks.

From that article:

The new estimate comes a day after the French Parliament released a harshly worded report blaming the deaths on a complex health system, widespread failure among agencies and health services to coordinate efforts, and chronically insufficient care for the elderly.

And this was “proof” of global warmening?

Thank heavens the incredibly tardy and mild summer we’ve had here in New England has disproven it.

J.

They’re all like that. S/he’s got nuthin’.

Yes, he is that stupid. He confuses proof of global warming with
proof that no one goes to france for medical care.

You can’t teach that, you have to be born that STUPID.

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As far as the US health care system goes… there’s one nation where people come to more than any other nation for health care, one nation above all others where would-be doctors come for their training and education.

France?

Uh, no.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/business/retirementspecial/02health.html?_r=2&ref=health

Fine model you’re citing there, Jaim.

That’s how Medicare works.

“That’s how Medicare doesn’t work” would be more accurate.

J.

That’s not how Medicare works. Doctors are still in charge of making decisions for their patients.

But please, don’t let facts get in the way of your hysterical shrieking.

No shit.

We need a publc option for the un-insurable and we need single-payer. Let doctors make medical decisions, not lawyers.

B does not follow A. “Let’s put the government in charge, so bureaucrats will make medical decisions.”

After all, the same bureaucrats did such a stunning job at the VA, the BIA, Cash for Clunkers…

J.

We need a publc option for the un-insurable and we need single-payer. Let doctors make medical decisions, not lawyers.

Don’t tell me you’re going along with the conflating of the entire health care system with the discussion on reforming the health care financing system, Sean.

My biggest concern (and I think it’s shared by a lot of people) is the Obama financing reform plan will result in the old medical joke coming true: “the operation was a success, but the patient died.”

J.

And it is the system’s survival which is paramount. Got it.