What, but Fox… I mean, Rush said… OMG!!
Commissioned by MoveON, the survey asked 1200 adults how important they feel it is “to give people a choice of both a public plan administered by the federal government and a private plan for their health insurance?”
Fifty-eight percent of respondents said “extremely important.” Nineteen said “quite important”: a total of 77 percent. The rest of respondents said the choice of a public option was not important or weren’t sure.
Fucking Commies!
A poll by moveon about healthcare has as much credibility as a poll by Exxon about the price of oil.
Actually, it depends how it was conducted. This was conducted by the WSJ and NBC and looks like there aren’t any overt biases. In any statistical study, there’s always a sampling error, but there doesn’t seem to be any factual basis to claim that the results are skewed. Maybe that doesn’t matter to you though, Suicida|.
I thought America had done spoken!
“Would you like access to affordable health insurance, even if you had a pre-existing condition?”
No sane person would say no to that.
“Would you like Nazi storm-troopers to euthanize your grandmother?”
No sane person would say yes to that.
It’s all about the framing. It’s always about the framin. Luckily, my first question is based on the reality of Obama’s proposal. The latter is a fever-dream of GOP fear-mongers and bigots.
President Obama, get the message through the noise and America wins for generations to come.
For those who claim that the free market will fix the health care issue, take a look at this. We were told this exact same thing 60 years ago, and yet the problems still persist. Do we have to wait another 60 years to be back to square-1 again?
…as much credibility as a poll by Exxon about the price of oil.
Exxon? Weren’t they the ones that the Bush administration thought were the best sources of advice on energy policy? After all, who knows more about energy? You mean they can’t be trusted to be objective?
As for the poll – it was commissioned by moveon but conducted by a reputable non-partisan polling agency. They’re not going to fudge their results that much to please a single client.
The difference with other polls is simple – the public option is described accurately – as an option that will exist in addition to private health insurance. Other polls cast it as more of a government takeover.
Suicida, It’s all about the question you ask. MoveOn asks very different questions than Rasmussen.
Other polls cast it as more of a government takeover.
Wait, are you suggesting that a public option is not exactly like Hitler? Whatever, dude.
“Exxon? Weren’t they the ones that the Bush administration thought were the best sources of advice on energy policy? After all, who knows more about energy? You mean they can’t be trusted to be objective?”
Uh Yeah, you might as well have people who own thousands of shares in alternative energy companies write the energy policy legislation.
Conflict of interest much?
Biased polls are nothing new, kinda reminds me of a line from the Garden of Allah:
“Today I made an appearance downtown
I am an expert witness because I say I am
And I said gentlemen, and I use that world loosely
I will testify for you, Im a gun for hire,Im a saint, Im a liar
Because there are no facts, there is no truth
Just data to be manipulated
I can get you any result you like
Whats it worth to you?
Because there is no wrong, there is no right
And I sleep very well at night
No shame, no solution, no remorse, no retribution”
“Oliver wants to make your daughter like Superman”-Frank Luntz
Uh Yeah, you might as well have people who own thousands of shares in alternative energy companies write the energy policy legislation.
No sale: Exxon has been a consistent denier of Global Warming. They are scum.
Nice try, Chuckles.
Aside from the question, who do you think MoveOn polled ? The subscription list from Human Events?
A large percentage ( If I remember, more than 25% ) identify themselves as liberal. What’s the demographic breakdown for the Moveon respondents ?
What’s the demographic breakdown for the Moveon respondents ?
An awful lot are “people who believe that at the Cheney Administration used the threat of terror for political gain”.* But they’d never have done that, right?
Thank goodness impeachment was off the table.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/20/ridge-politics-terror/
I’m getting pretty fucking tired of being correct on the really fucking important issues. Fuckers.
*And as Atrios reminded us, using the threat of terror for political gain is, you know, what terrorists do.
Indeed: I’ll bet you didn’t notice you went completely off the topic …
Indeed: I’ll bet you didn’t notice you went completely off the topic …
I did, but aren’t you outraged? Even a little bit?
who do you think MoveOn polled
MoveOn didn’t poll anybody. MoveOn commissioned SurveyUSA and SurveyUSA polled them. Survey intentionally tried to match the demographics of the wsj/nbc poll that used less accurate wording in their “do you approve…” question. About 17% of this survey pool self-identified as liberal.
Now I for one wouldn’t put a lot of stock in that 77% number. SurveyUSA uses automated surveying and that introduces a number of question marks. I do think, though, that it’s pretty good evidence that despite all the right wing lying and howling, public support for the principle of health care reform is hardly cratering, as your garden variety Limbaughs et al. would have us believe.
It’s also a well deserved pie-in-the-face moment for all the fools here on ow.com who have been trumpeting poll results at us for the last several weeks. Funny how they never get around to talking about the most consistent trend in all the recent polls: even if the majority aren’t thrilled with the way Obama is handling health care, they absolutely loathe the republicans on this issue.
A large percentage ( If I remember, more than 25% ) identify themselves as liberal.
Since liberals are more of the population than that, even the undersampling of the liberal side failed to sway the poll to the right.
Those are some STRONG numbers.
Now the real question – how much play is this poll going to get in the MSM? (I won’t pretend that it will even be mentioned on FOX.)
Zogby Friday: Obama at 45%
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President Barack Obama’s popularity has plummeted to a record low, with just 45 percent of voters now approving of his performance as commander in chief, according to the latest Zogby International poll.
Asked whether they approve or disapprove of the president’s job performance, just 45.3 percent of likely voters say they approve. That compares with 50.5 percent who disapprove of the job Obama is doing.
The results are a strong indication that contentious national debate over healthcare reform has taken a major toll on the president’s popularity.….
[snip]
….“Clearly, the healthcare reform package is dragging him down,” Morris tells Newsmax, “and will drag every Democrat down unless they realize that they cannot afford to alienate the elderly of America by cutting Medicare and rationing medical care.”
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Trouble, oh we got trouble,
Right here in River City!
With a capital “T”
Obama is clearly done for. He has no choice now but to adopt the Republican agenda America is clearly yearning for…
…JUST KIDDING!
Trouble, oh we got trouble,
Right here in River City!
With a capital “T”
Maybe Obama should issue a few terror alerts to help boost his poll numbers. You know, like Cheney did for George Bush, Jr.
Trouble.
With a capital “T”. And that rhymes with “P”.
And that doesn’t stand for Public Option.
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WaPo/ABC Poll: Faith in Obama Drops As Reform Fears Rise
Public confidence in President Obama’s leadership has declined sharply over the summer, amid intensifying opposition to health-care reform that threatens to undercut his attempt to enact major changes to the system, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll. ……
Too many people flooded the zone. No where to pass the ball.
“Indeed” is a true rara avis — a unique specimen of troll. He trolls on the side of the site’s owner. I don’t think I’ve ever seen his like.
I think I could have died content had I not seen it, though…
J.
Hmmm…wait, according to the MSM during 2004 and 2005, 45% still means you’re a “popular” President. (BTW, ABC News poll out today showed him with 57% approval.)
“I think I could have died content had I not seen it, though..
We’ll that part content or not.
He trolls on the side of the site’s owner.
Well someone has to keep you wingnut sheep honest. Besides, most right wing blogs either don’t allow comments or quickly remove any dissent, for some bizarre reason. I speculate that it has something to do with Freedom. Also.
Government Health Care: awesome.
“Government Health Care: awesome.”
Right on cue, the speck of grit in the oyster shell that gives rise to the lustrous pearl of stupid.
Looks like the VA matter is being looked into Farris, unlike let’s say a pivate provider, where bonuses may undergo scrutiny but not much else will happen while their clients can be cut off at a whim.
Oh noes! teh gubnit’ can’t hope to meet standards that high!
We should be talking about a “private option”, where government-administered health care is the default. After all, it is the private sector that has failed here, not the government.
Yeah, it’s just the VA…
And the BIA…
And the doctors who are no longer taking Medicare/Medicaid…
Pity we’ll never see the day when Ted Kennedy has to deal with living under ObamaCare…
J.
Do we still not have a pool going on how soon Obama’s health care reform will pass? And I guess things like the public option of mandatory sex change death panels could be in there too.
Pity we’ll never see the day when Ted Kennedy has to deal with living under ObamaCare…
I thought TK had health insurance coverage. Pretty good plan, if fact. What was your point again? Was it classy?
Looks like the VA matter is being looked into Farris
The government investigating itself brings warmth to the cockles of my black heart.
When asked silly question #2 about a large government role in health insurance, they get 77% of respondents support.
But when an actual plan is described that includes said large government role (silly question #6), they can only 614 out of 1200 people surveyed (aka: 51%) to agree that it is a good plan.
Gee, do you think something might be funny about that 77% number?
Does anyone even bother clicking on SaveFarris links anymore? The Cry Wolf Schtick stopped cutting it long ago.
Sock-boy, you just cried wolf with the terror alert thing. And you also whine because no one bothers answering you. Also.
Government Health Care: awesome.
Farris, at the VA, the abuses described in the article you linked are illegal and punishable by law.
How about at private insurance companies?
“Too many people flooded the zone. No where to pass the ball.”
Dennis
People? I guess you’re talking about the shouting slobs who packed the town halls after they lost the election?
Brilliant analogy, by the way. Why don’t we “pass the ball” to the Top Ten health insurance CEOs who average $11.9 million a year in compensation? Better they get that money than the 50 million Americans currently uninsured get health care. Better someone picks your pocket in a free market than we put our money together to get health care like all other Western democracies have (because THAT WOULD BE SOCIALISM!).
Obama’s numbers are down because liberals are frustrated that he isn’t doing MORE. Nice try, though. Why don’t you cite some more song lyrics? Always a good idea when you don’t have an argument.