And a baby dies

Because choice always equals abortion.

Wingnut logic, ladies and gents.

Oh, god. I’m agreeing with Farris.

(And who are these four guys on horses riding up the road?)

No, the baby’s welfare is as much their responsibility as it is the mother’s, but it is still the mother’s decision whether she will subject herself to the threats and pains of pregnancy. If a woman chooses to bear a child then refuses to contribute to his/her care and upkeep then her wages should be garnished as well.

If men were able to get pregnant I’d also insist that it was absolutely their choice whether to carry babies to term. Who knows? Maybe someday they will.

And, Wilbur, she can keep her legs closed , and avoid the issue that way.

Yes she can, but if she doesn’t she still retains all the rights over what goes on in her body that she was endowed by her creator with.

It’s her decision all the way, eh?

Up until the point that the baby is born, absolutely.

And when she’s your wife, and you’re the father, who changes the baby and feeds it in the middle of the night? NOW?

Golly, Frank, what’s your damage? After the baby is born, both parents should participate in its care, but that does not effect whether the woman is the decider when it comes to bearing the child to term.

You guys sound ridiculous – and like none of you have ever had children.

Hate to get personal, but you started it – you sound like someone whose children hate him.

And a baby dies — so selfish, it makes my skin crawl.

I wish your compassion for the unborn extended to the born. But like many right-wingers you fetishize the fetus to give yourselves moral cover for pursuing the most blatently self-interested polices, ones that promote war, poverty, and despoliation of the environment, in the process condemning millions of _born_ homo sapiens to miserable deaths.

I like my babies like Frank’s brain: single-celled, or potentially undifferentiated.

(This is a reference to the fact that an early embryo is a mass of undifferentiated cells, for which there is no basis for granting the title “baby”.)

Let’s say we start with the elimination of withholding Income Tax Refunds from putative Dads. It IS none of their business, right?

And, Wilbur, she can keep her legs closed , and avoid the issue that way.

It’s her decision all the way, eh? And when she’s your wife, and you’re the father, who changes the baby and feeds it in the middle of the night? NOW?

You guys sound ridiculous – and like none of you have ever had children.

“It’s her body, and her choice”

And a baby dies — so selfish, it makes my skin crawl. You should be ashamed, were it possible.

Men: it’s her body, her decision. Don’t like it? Then keep your dick in your pants stick to oral.

Fixed!

Wait, what? You’re basically arguing that a woman has a right to deprive a man of any parental rights whatsoever.

Uh, we’re talking about not having to tell the father you’re planning on having an abortion (or not) until it’s too late for him, if he takes the news badly, to do anything about it.

We’re NOT talking about whether she ought to keep him in the dark forever.

–Wait, what? You’re basically arguing that a woman has a right to deprive a man of any parental rights whatsoever. This seems a bit extreme to me. Get pregnant by a guy, have the kid without disclosing the identity of the father, and the father never knows and never has an opportunity to form a relationship with his child.
I agree the father has no legal right to be informed of the pregnancy, but his moral right to be so informed, absent some indication of an abusive nature or other disqualifier, seems pretty absolute and clear cut to me.

So, in that sense, legally speaking, a man shouldn’t have any say.

In the human sense, yes, a man should have some role in making the decision in a healthy relationship, if there’s *any* chance the woman might want to continue the pregnancy. (If there’s simply no chance she’ll want to continue, then his input is moot. Philosophers can argue about whether it’s appropriate for him to be told beforehand or not.)

But I intentionally chose to use a question begging term like “healthy relationship”. If she’s unwilling to discuss the issue with him, when there’s a chance his input might matter, doesn’t that show there’s something wrong with the relationship?

(NB: it could be that there’s something wrong with one member of the relationship… but that obviously has an effect on the overall health of the relationship.)

As far as I know, there’s no law preventing a man from doing that.

Men: it’s her body, her decision. Don’t like it? Then keep your dick in your pants.

The Abortion Issue (NSFW)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjW4i67YC04&feature=PlayList&p=8852BB991DBC2007&index=8