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Oliver, you just mocked a man only a few short hours after his death.
Oliver, you just mocked a man only a few short hours after his death.
So no comment on this particular post? Go figure. Keep those blinders on! What’s the worst that could happen?
Tut tut, Indeed.
Airing a dishonest pundit’s famously public failings is exactly as bad as invoking Hitler in front of an Jewish person and then making light of his crippling health care bills. Worse, even.
Dennis (Britney) is all about False Equivalence and Look Over There! and little else.
Oliver, you just mocked a man only a few short hours after his death.
A serial liar who infected our public discourse.
Oliver, you just mocked a man only a few short hours after his death.
Sadly that woman is still theiving oxygen.
This woman’s actions have nothing to do with Republican Party values; no more than the actions of the SEIU thug who called Kenneth Gladney a n*gger represent Democratic Party values.
Nothing like the sanctity of the left. As I remarked in a recent post the bell curve works it’s wonders on both sides of the political spectrum. I am quite prepared to acknowledge that there are members of the center right coalition who oppose Obama’s plan for socializing and ruining our healthcare system who are indeed antisemitic.
They may even be Republican although this is not clear from this story since the uncommitted swing vote has begun to shift away from Obama and a majority now wish for the Feds to leave it alone. But let us stipulate for the sake of arguement that this gal is indeed an antisemite.
Since Ollie is in the inflammation business he positions this in a misleading manner to suggest that these are mainstream Republican values. It is reasonable to assume that support for Israel is a proxy for attitudes towards jews. Republicans and conservatives have a much stronger record of supporting Israel than Democrats and liberals.
Misleading statements bordering on lies, that’s how Democrats roll from Obama all the way down to Oliver and it appears Zython. Or as it is so cleverly put here time and time again when someone wishes to not face the truth, LOOK OVER THERE! LOL
But let us stipulate for the sake of arguement that this gal is indeed an antisemite.
Done.
Misleading statements bordering on lies, that’s how Democrats roll from Obama all the way down to Oliver and it appears Zython.
I’m sorry, you were saying…?
This woman’s actions have nothing to do with Republican Party values; no more than the actions of the SEIU thug who called Kenneth Gladney a n*gger represent Democratic Party values.
More False Equivalence. Dennis’s personal hero and the de facto Republican party boss, Rush Limbaugh, has repeatedly compared Obama and health care reform the [Adolf] Hitler and his regime. I forget, which Democratic leaders openly advocate what Gladney allegedly suffered? And unlike what we can plainly see and hear from the Limbaughesque woman in this clip, Gladney’s alleged beating and the racial slurs he allegedly suffered never showed up on video.
I was saying Indeed that the Democrats from Obama down to Olliie and even our own Zython spread falsehoods and lies to further their political agenda.
I notice you appear to cast aspersions on the victim of the pro Healthcare Union assault. Strangely life is not perfectly scripted and filmed like a TV show. While not on film, there were witnesses and the police had probable cause to make 2 arrests for assault. Would it be too much of a stretch to wonder out loud if Obama’s remarks about bringing a gun to a knife fight might be inspiring some of his devoted but unhinged followers to violence?
Their party worships Ann Coulter who said Jews need to be “perfected” This is par for the course
Those weren’t lies, Indeed, that was just Bush misspeaking.
How much did those freedom fries cost, again?
It could be reasonably argued that desired perfection is much better than designed annihilation. Not all jews would agree, as many have proudly died rather than convert or submit. Some here are aware that the term zealot stems from jews who would fight rather than submit. Ann Coulter is a stronger ally of Israel than Obama is, to say nothing of acadamia which tilts significantly left.
The National Socialist party of Germany was the most successful of the leftist factions that fought for power in post WW1 Germany. Once in power they allied themselves with the communists for as long as it was beneficial. They stabbed their onetime allies in the back when they thought they could get away with it. Curiously their leader, immensly popular and quite a smooth orator, was in fact a liar and an inhumane monster. His powerful oratation won him many followers who were blind to the actual reality around them. He didn’t even use teleprompters.
He also allied himself with Islamic arabs although I am unaware if he ever bowed down to their leaders. His political activist followers perfected a technique of pursuasion quite similar to the treatment Ken Gladney recently experienced. They even lent their nickname, brownshirts, to the lexicon to describe techniques similar to those of the SEIU.
Lefty: Limbaugh.
Wingnut: Ken gladney’s thug.
Lefty: Beck.
Wingnut: Ken gladney’s thug.
Lefty: spray painted swastika
Wingnut: Ken gladney’s thug.
Lefty: the Heil Hitler lady.
Wingnut: Ken gladney’s thug.
Would it be too much of a stretch to wonder out loud if Obama’s remarks about bringing a gun to a knife fight might be inspiring some of his devoted but unhinged followers to violence?
You still haven’t got that metaphor thing figured out, have you?
This woman’s actions have nothing to do with Republican Party values; no more than the actions of the SEIU thug who called Kenneth Gladney a n*gger represent Democratic Party values.
Except that these “isolated incidents” from the they’re-gonna-kill-grandma crowd aren’t in the least bit isolated.
He also allied himself with Islamic arabs although I am unaware if he ever bowed down to their leaders.
Any kissing?
I doubt it, probably no handholding either. As far as I know only one president in our history has bowed down to another world leader.
As far as I know only one president in our history has bowed down to another world leader.
And how far is that?
It could be reasonably argued that desired perfection is much better than designed annihilation. Not all jews would agree, as many have proudly died rather than convert or submit.
Indeed. Not all Jews would agree. Holy fuck is AO a nutjob. Stop speaking, right now, Conrad.
The National Socialist party of Germany was the most successful of the leftist factions…
O-Dub posted this, about a disgusting Limbaugh-esque wingnut comparing health care reform to Hitler, at 4:10 pm. It took until 6:33 pm for Amused Observer to post a comment in which s/he….compares Obama to Hitler.
Rudy’s on a train to nowhere, halfway down the line
He don’t wanna get there, but he needs time
He ain’t sophisticated, no well-educated
After all the hours he’s wasted, still he needs time.
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Really, Rudy. Tell me who is encouraging people to yell, Heil Hitler at Jews as part of the Republican Party platform? If someone says Obama is being like Hitler, how does that square with someone invoking Hitler’s name toward a Jewish person? You, like Indeed/Mister ed above who manages to bring Rush Limbaugh into every conversation, make absolutely no sense.
I notice you appear to cast aspersions on the victim of the pro Healthcare Union assault.
Huh? I did no such thing.
I was saying Indeed that the Democrats from Obama down to Olliie and even our own Zython spread falsehoods and lies to further their political agenda.
Thanks again for all those awesome specific examples (you know, like I pwn3d your sorry, racist ass with a smidge back).
As far as I know only one president in our history has bowed down to another world leader.
As far as I know, only one president ever let another world leader get to first base.
Tell me who is encouraging people to yell, Heil Hitler at Jews as part of the Republican Party platform?
Besides Rush Limbaugh. Right Wing “pundit” Jonah Goldberg wrote a book comparing liberals to Hitler (it compared Hillary Clinton to both Hitler and Mussolini right on the god-dammed cover). Sean Hannity, another classy Right Wing douche fountain, compared liberals to terrorists and called them “evil” on the cover of his book. Granted, those last two examples aren’t of Right Wing leaders explicitly yelling “Heil Hitler” at Jews, but it’s pretty fucking despicable and one could quite easily draw the logical conclusion that fuckwits Limbaugh, Goldberg, and Hannity might have just a wee bit of influence on this Limbaugh-esque woman in question. Need any more examples.
As far as I know only one president in our history has bowed down to another world leader.
It was a simple gesture of respect in a neutral setting, you fucking dumb cracker. You see, Obama knows a few things about different cultures and their customs unlike the wingnuts who know about nascar, rifles, mud bogs and budweiser.
It wasn’t like he bowed and knelt before General Zod and gave the Sauds our entire country.
He just bowed as custom dictates, and it was a very smart move to show the Muslim world that our current president understands their culture, and is respectful and wants to improve the relationship between our cultures, unlike the last idiot who was preznit.
So would bowing your head before Queen Elizabeth get you dumb hicks all upset too?
Yet another reminder that conservatives are going to hell.
Like I said, Mister ed, these examples you give of Limbaugh and Hannity and Goldberg are at polar opposites to the despicable acts of what this lady in question committed. Limbaugh, et al, are using citing the similarities with Hitler. Not so with this woman. There is no logical conclusion to anything Limbaugh stated and her yelling “Heil Hitler’ at a Jew who she thinks should be opposed to Obama.
Your logical conclusion makes no sense at all.
Quaker,
The answer to yur first query would be about half way maybe a litte less. Much more than a nod, much less than an arm at your waist, full sweeper.
As to your second comment maybe Obama is just a bit of a cold fish. Laura always seemed to have a cheerful satisfied sparkle in her eye, many candid shots of Michelle catch an angry frusterated look on her face.
There is an old piece of folk wisdom that goes something like If women are happy in the bedroom they are happy in the kitchen. All humorous mildly disrespectful speculation of course. I have no actual insight into how the respective administration heads indulge in the pleasures of marriage. George’s old man got caught breaking a bed slat once though. Obama’s daddy had a thing for dizzy little white teens, who knows about their sons.
Indeed,
Of course you cast aspersions,
“Gladney’s alleged beating and the racial slurs he allegedly suffered never showed up on video.”
that’s just how you roll. It’s not like you are a disinterested observer who is trying to preserve a veneer of impartiality.
Tell me how ‘one could easily draw the locigal conclusion that fuckwits Limbaugh, Goldberg, and Hannity might have just a wee bit of influence on this Limbaugh-esque woman in question’, Mister ed.
—–
Limbaugh: ‘Obama is acting like a Hitler, and that is bad.’
Nutcase woman to Jew: ‘Heil Hitler. You should be opposed to Obama.’
Mister ed: ‘One could easily draw the logical conclusion that Limbaugh had just a wee bit of influence on this woman in question, even though she completely contradicts what Limbaugh said. Yeah, that works for me.’
—–
Your logical conclusion makes no sense at all.
Certainly not to Dittoheads.
It’s not like you are a disinterested observer who is trying to preserve a veneer of impartiality.
So where’s the alleged aspersions? Also.
Burn,
Your ignorance of protocol and diplomacy is showing. Or maybe it’s just your ignorance alone on display.
“The National Socialist party of Germany was the most successful of the leftist factions…”
Wow, this level of low sinks below revisionism and into delusional. The National socialists were the right of the right in the post WWI German political spectrum. Their built their whole platform on fighting Communism before they switched over to Jews. They were instrumental in dissolving the Communist party in Germany by staging the Reichstag fire. The ‘brown shirts’ you’d mentioned made a name of themselves and their tactics by bashing unionist heads.
There was much support and sympathy in the US and UK in the 1920-30s for the Nationalist socialist party precisely because of their rightwing anti-communist stance.
I don’t get why conservative activists are labeling Obama as Hitler; wouldn’t ‘Stalin’ be more appropriate and less of a mental u-turn?
Your ignorance of protocol and diplomacy is showing. Or maybe it’s just your ignorance alone on display.
Could you please be more specific? What are you trying to say? Or would you rather not answer his simple and direct question, you stupid racist asshole?
Indeed,
Your last post was a litle confusing. Upon reflection the only way it makes any sense is if you are refering to his offhand question about Queen Elizabeth. I assumed that was a rhetorical question. But to answer, yes it is against protocol to bow down to any foreign leader.
“it is against protocol to bow down to any foreign leader”
You mean it’s against “American” protocol to bow to any foreign “sovereign”.
Given America’s founding this is quite understandable, but internationally speaking, bowing is simply a sign of respect. The question is, when you are a visitor on foreign soil to bring a message of reconciliation to the host, who’s protocol do you adhere to?
As far as I know only one president in our history has bowed down to another world leader.
Fail.
Amazing. They can’t just say it was bad. Even Jay Tea managed to squeak out a condemnation of the gun nut in the earlier thread.
Somewhere in Hell, I’m sure Hitler is thinking: “Who the hell are these wackos…and why are they reppin’ me?!”
The National Socialist party of Germany was the most successful of the leftist factions that fought for power in post WW1 Germany.
Your ignorance of history would be startling if it weren’t so depressingly common among American conservatives. Insofar as modern applications of left-right ideology apply 1930s Germany, the Nazi program fell almost entirely in the far right end of the spectrum, as any historian with any standing in the community will attest. Where it did not, that is because a party expecting to gain power and popularity in depression-era Germany HAD to offer some manner of safety net.
Among respectable historians who aren’t silly little jokes among the professional community, there is no disagreement on this. I get the sense that you’d know this, but in your mind you’ve equated right/left with a biblical idea of good/evil, with conservatives standing in for the good guys. For you, conservative=good, liberal=bad. You are, I suspect, a little disturbed. That you would draw a comparison between Hitler your own president is only further proof.
So who is Hitler, today? Chavez? Was it Saddam Hussein? Ahmedinejad? President Obama? Can you guys pick just one already?
Among respectable historians who aren’t silly little jokes among the professional community, there is no disagreement on this.
Among respectable climate scientists who aren’t silly little jokes among the professional community, there is no disagreement that Global Warming is occurring.
Among respectable biologists who aren’t silly little jokes among the professional community, there is no disagreement that evolution is a fact.
Among respectable geologists who aren’t silly little jokes among the professional community, there is no disagreement that the earth is more than 6,000 years old (much, much older, it turns out).
But try telling that to Republican leaders or their deeply stupid zombified followers. Best of luck (really, I mean it).
Nutcase woman to Jew: ‘Heil Hitler. You should be opposed to Obama.’
Perhaps the nutcase woman is a FemiNazi.
Right, saying “Heil Hitler” is terrible.
Calling conservatives “fascists” since 1952 is fine.
Calling Pres Bush “Bushitler” for eight years is fine.
When it comes to dastardly name calling, the left has been taking home the Cup since the 1930’s.
How do you even say these things, without your heads’ exploding from hypocrisy?
Ah, the modern-day GOP — not just bigots, but plenty of trolls in a hurry to defend their bigotry.
But try telling that to Republican leaders or their deeply stupid zombified followers. Best of luck (really, I mean it).
Was Copernicus the founding member of the liberal science conspiracy?
Oooooh ! Someone said “Hitler” So down goes the Republican Party in flames !
You wish!
Wm F Buckley, Jr said 50 years ago that anti- Catholicism on the left was the unsavory fringe, as was the anti – semitism on the right.
Nobody defends bigotry , Jaim, what shall I do ? “I formally denounce bigotry until the next time it happens, when I plan to denounce it again”?
Here’s one for you , Jaim : Let’s hear you say that all the people who ever used the term “Bushitler” were misguided a**holes who were actually minimizing what the real Hitler had done, and should be forever ostracized from the Democratic Party.
Well?
“Bushitler” was stupid.
And the GOP is riddled with bigots like yourself.
Racism in the GOP comes from the top down, lest we forget. Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, etc.
“Bushitler” was pretty silly. But it didn’t come from the top leadership of the GOP. The problem with your dying party is that the racism comes from your leaders — Limbaugh, Beck, Coulter, etc.
As has been demonstrated many times before, the Left has a fringe element. The Right is led by its own fringe. That’s one of your problems, among many.
And while “Bushitler” is silly, it’s not as dumb as the “death panel” and Birther bullshit you guys keep trying to pull.
“I doubt it, probably no handholding either. As far as I know only one president in our history has bowed down to another world leader.”
Hey folks, he’s just taunting you. Nobody’s that stupid.
Wm F Buckley, Jr said 50 years ago that anti- Catholicism on the left was the unsavory fringe, as was the anti – semitism on the right.
Wm F Buckley, Jr, ultra-privileged defender of the uber-rich, also said 50 years ago that black people were inherently inferior. He was a shit-weasel in the worst sense of the hyphenated word.
And yo, I’m not anti-Catholic. I’m anti-child rape and anti-systematically covering up child rape. And other stuff. Infallible my ass. You dig?
“Was Copernicus the founding member of the liberal science conspiracy?”
Whose Copernicus?
“As far as I know only one president in our history has bowed down to another world leader.”
Funny, because it was Bush who actually kissed the Saudi leadership and held hands for a romantic stroll.
http://www.hermes-press.com/bush_kiss.jpg
I wish the guy would have gotten a hold of this woman and slapped the shit out of her for saying what she did. But “what we stand against?”
I showed in an earlier post that this kind of crap is exactly what you happily STOOD WITH for EIGHT FREAKING YEARS.
This: http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/classes/33d/projects/media/BushHitlerShitAsshole.jpg
You stood with.
This: http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/wp-content/images2009/ringobushitler13.jpg
You stood with.
Forgive me if I don’t get all weepy about your sudden concern for shouts of “Heil Hitler” and anti-semitism.
Our family friend Gehard Kegler grew up in late Nazi Germany as a boy and I was always interested on his perspective on how Hitler is portrayed. While American’s have some misconseptions about Hitler’s rise to power one thing was simply put…Hitler is not a leftist. When faced with rantings of Amused Observer and someone who actually lived through Hitler I will take an experienced view and not some asshat whose scholarly views come from the great mental giant Jonah Goldberg and Rush Limbaugh.
AO- I read your drivel until I got to the moronic characterization of the Nazi’s as a leftwing faction at which point the moron siren became to loud to read through.
Hilarious. “Bushitler” was just “stupid” and “silly.” Comparing the President of the United States to a man largely responsible for the death of 6 million people is just “silly.”
Reminds of when Oliver when the harshest criticism he had for Democratic politicians in the wake of Katrina was that they “weren’t perfect.”
Hilarious. “Bushitler” was just “stupid” and “silly.” Comparing the President of the United States to a man largely responsible for the death of 6 million people is just “silly.”
Indeed. Most especially when it comes from a major political party’s leaders. I guess that was the original point. Dumbfuck.
(You may wish to up your death count, by the way. It’s not really crucial to the discussion, but just for the sake of accuracy. Apologies for nitpicking. Also.)
Oooooh ! Someone said “Hitler” So down goes the Republican Party in flames !
You decrepit senile old fuck, that white trash cunt said this to a Jewish man.
Let me say it again, she said Heil Hitler to a Jew.
Fuck you Disalle, the fact that you cannot or will not condemn this says everything I need to know about you.
Hey, Burn , my age should be irrelevant, according to the left wing anti-discrimination police . You are just a scabrous prick with a big mouth – your age doesn’t matter to me.
I am not defending anyone ( a pity I have to repeat this for another anencephalic toad that frequents this blog ) , but I did say Nobody defends bigotry and “I formally denounce bigotry until the next time it happens, when I plan to denounce it again”.
And I also specifically pointed out that you lefties were being hypocritical, not that people who compare others to Hitler, or say “Heil Hitler!” to Jewish people, were all right: “How do you even say these things, without your heads’ exploding from hypocrisy?”
See, Burn , that slaver must have blurred your vision, you dolt.
And now we have reached the name calling portion of the thread , I need a nap.
Hey, Burn , my age should be irrelevant
You know, it really should be, but your posts have that awful Old Man Smell.
Jay Tea, when Democratic leaders say things as racist and bigoted as GOP leaders Limbaugh and Beck, you’ll have a point.
Until then, you don’t.
I can’t believe the pointless bickering and dick-waving going on here.
The whole and unadulterated truth is that not of us here would like someone to scream a racist and provocative insult at us while we are trying to explain our views. NOT ONE OF US.
THAT, and THAT alone is the issue here. This man felt very strongly about his views and this woman pissed up and down on his opinion.
In fact, that’s what’s happening all the time these days. All are screaming at each other without listening or trying to understand. Oh… except one person. His name is Obama.
Yet another claim that the Nazis were ‘left’.
As Jeff Foxworthy would say. . . ‘here’s your sign’.
New rule:
When you come out in favor of torture and war of aggression, you don’t get to whine about being calling a nazi. The Nazis on the other hand may have a case for slander.
I just watched a documentary about the Nazi invasion of Russia. They quote from a number of personal letters of the German soldiers, and almost every one has them talking about fighting “the damned bolsheviks” or “the damned Communist menace.”
So yeah, continued attempts to linke Socialism and Nazism are ridiculous. But the GOP prides itself on its ignornace. Honestly, it’s like they’re having a contest as to who can invent the stupidest bullshit on earth.
“The whole and unadulterated truth is that not of us here would like someone to scream a racist and provocative insult at us while we are trying to explain our views. NOT ONE OF US.”
True, but the difference is that the racism, hostility, and fear on the Right has both a history (McVeigh, Oklahoma City) and champions in the persons of Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, etc. The swastikas came out from the GOP before Obama was even elected. There is a violent element within the GOP that embraces this stuff and eventually somebody is going to get killed.
Thanks, Rush.
Jay Tea, when Democratic leaders say things as racist and bigoted as GOP leaders Limbaugh and Beck, you’ll have a point.
Until then, you don’t.
Huh?
I haven’t said WORD ONE on this thread before, you ignorant asswipe. You’re responding to your own fevered delusions again.
Or, if you prefer, proudly demonstrating your ignorance and cluelessness.
Robert:
You’re almost as clueless. Jeff Foxworthy’s trademark phrase is “you might be a redneck.” Bill Engvall is here to give you a custom-made “I’m stupid” sign of your very own. Wear it with pride.
elspi: who died and made you emperor of the goddamned universe?
Here’s a new rule: people named “elspi” aren’t allowed to use the letter “r.”
Jaim: oh, that’s conclusive. Guys ordered to fight Communists say bad things about them. I bet US troops in Korea and Viet Nam (under Democratic presidents Truman and Johnson) never used such inflammatory language.
You bring up McVeigh, I’ll bring up the 60’s anti-government radicals — Weather Underground, Black Panthers, Symbionese Liberation Army, and the like. They were hardly bosom buddies of the right, and the main distinction between them and McVeigh was that McVeigh was more competent.
Go and give “Prairie Fires” a read. Co-authored by William Ayers, dedicated to a long, long list of despicable persons — including Sirhan Sirhan.
J.
Jay, name one serious historian who thinks Facsism and Socialism come from the same, left-ward end of the political spectrum. And no, Jonah Goldberg doesn’t count as a “historian.” And he’s definitely not serious.
History. Look into it champ.
As for 60’s radicals, well sure. They were active back in the, um, 1960’s. And their accumulated body-count was nowhere near McVeigh’s.
You lose at making any sort of discernible point yet again.
So, Jaim, who gets to decide when the bloodstains are washed clean? And just why the hell were you “answering” me before I said anything?
J.
James Gregor “The Fascist persuasion in Radical Politics”.
I’m not sure JT knows this one, but it’s a must read on all sides. Of course it’s a right wing perspective and it will piss the hell out of progressives, but a good read never the less.
LOL,
Such low hanging fruit.
Jaim,
“I just watched a documentary about the Nazi invasion of Russia. They quote from a number of personal letters of the German soldiers, and almost every one has them talking about fighting “the damned bolsheviks” or “the damned Communist menace”
You are aware that Germany and Russia were allies at the beginning of WW2 are you not?
A little something for the rest of you to ponder;
“There is more that binds us to Bolshevism than separates us from it. There is, above all, genuine, revolutionary feeling, which is alive everywhere in Russia except where there are Jewish Marxists. I have always made allowance for this circumstance, and given orders that former Communists are to be admitted to the party at once. The petit bourgeois Social-Democrat and the trade-union boss will never make a National Socialist, but the Communists always will.”
Adolph Hitler
“So, Jaim, who gets to decide when the bloodstains are washed clean?”
Probably never, but McVeigh murdered a hell of a lot more people than the Weather Underground ever did.
“And just why the hell were you “answering” me before I said anything?”
I got you confused with the other Jay. Can’t tell you apart, actually.
“You are aware that Germany and Russia were allies at the beginning of WW2 are you not?”
No serious historian would call the German-Russian treaty an “alliance.” Seriously man, have you even taken a high-school level history course? The Germans and the Russians knew conflict was inevitable but each side was jockeying for time to build up their arsenals and maneuver politically with their allies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_Ribbentrop_Pact
I should charge you for all the educating I do for your limited and failing intellect AO, but I’m happy to spread a little light in the face of the bleak shadow that is your historical ignorance.
And your quote from Hitler? When he says there’s “more that binds us to Bolshevism” he’s saying that’s a bad thing, dumbass.
Yeesh. Learn to read, man. Or feel free to direct me to a single serious historian who makes the argument you (and Jonah “Laughingstock” Goldberg) are trying to make.
Authoritarianism? Sure, there were plenty of authoritarian similarities between Hitler and Stalin (their cults of personality for one). But politically, Fascism and Communism arise from different ends of the political spectrum. Are they both bad? Yup. But that doesn’t make them the same.
Hitler and Stalin went on to wage a series of battles that killed tens of millions of people in the names of competing ideologies. But gee, they were really just best buddies waiting to happen, amirite?
Fucking moron.
Oh, Jaim. Too bad we can’t tap the energy of your ignorance — it’s a true endlessly renewable resource.
No serious historian would call the German-Russian treaty an “alliance.”
Serious historians in Poland might disagree. The effectiveness and sincerity of that alliance was pretty keenly felt there.
And give that Hitler quote another re-read. It spells out how Communists can be good National Socialists, and praises the “revolutionary” spirit in the Soviet Union (excluding those pesky Jews) as compatible with National Socialism.
Of course, this reinforces my oft-stated belief that Nazism embodies the worst of both left and right, and only hyperpartisan dipshits (such as, say, you) exert so much effort into trying to tie Nazism to either side.
J.
As for 60’s radicals, well sure. They were active back in the, um, 1960’s. And their accumulated body-count was nowhere near McVeigh’s.
So now body count matters ? McVeigh blew up one building with lots of people in it. The 60’s radicals killed bank guards, passersby, blew up government buildings, private establishments and University labs. There is no comparison to the damage the did and the fear they spread.
Hitler and Stalin went on to wage a series of battles that killed tens of millions of people in the names of competing ideologies [emphasis added - fd]
Competing ideologies, eh? Perhaps it is you that needs to visit a library. Germany wanted Russia for geography – nothing more, nothing less.
“There is no comparison to the damage the did and the fear they spread.”
Actually, there is. The Weather Underground and associated leftist radical movement never acted in:
“claiming the lives of 168 victims and injuring more than 680.[2][3] The blast destroyed or damaged 324 buildings within a sixteen–block radius”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_city_bombing
You guys support the hate. God forbid America ever has to suffer from it again.
“Germany wanted Russia for geography”
Right. . . . Your point? Germany hated Russia and vice versa. Hitler hated Stalin for his Communist ideology, Stalin hated Hitler for his statist and hyper-capitalist ideology. Fascism and Communism are both horrible, but they come from very different places.
So wrong about everything. How do you and Jay manage to dress yourselves in the morning?
Fascism and Communism are both horrible, but they come from very different places.
And yet they end up in the same place. Funny little coincidence, that…
McVeigh was “worse” than the 60’s radicals because he was competent. He set out to do something, and succeeded.
The 60’s radicals were “worse” than McVeigh because they were more numerous, more diverse, and more prolific. If you caught one bomber, you knew there were plenty more out there ready to try to blow up more cops. McVeigh pulled off exactly one grand scheme, succeeded (almost fully — he’d hoped the whole building would come down), and was promptly caught.
The Weather Underground, et al, had numerous plots all going, and one could never tell when the next one would come to fruition.
Fortunately for us, they were considerably more inept than McVeigh and their single greatest bombing merely blew themselves to bits.
Their low body count certainly wasn’t for lack of trying or determination…
J.
“And yet they end up in the same place. Funny little coincidence, that”
Again, what’s your point? The reason why it’s important to understand the roots of Fascism and Communism is because they both led to horrible regimes. Jay, adults like me read books and listen to smart people and try to understand why bad (and good) thing happen.
Mental-midgets like yourself? Here, here’s my impression: “ZOMG OBAMA-HITLER-STALIN-WHAAAAAAAAAH!!!!”
There are people who understand things Jay Tea, and there are lightweights like yourself. To try and lump two very different ideologies like Communism and Nazism together to simply score short-term political point against the adult you fear is pretty shitty.
But hey, so’s your whole life, so I guess you’re used to it by now.
“McVeigh was “worse” than the 60’s radicals because he was competent. He set out to do something, and succeeded. ”
Leftist American radicals were too high on dope to kill that many people. Not to mention their generally pacifist slant. But no doubt, what they did was horrible. Right-ist American radicals? They are genuine racist thugs who hate America and our Democracy. They are “eliminationist” in their theory and practice. They are domestic terrorists and should be treated as such.
It’s not just competence, it’s a desire to destroy our country. And they are huge fans of your leaders Limbaugh and Beck.
“If you caught one bomber, you knew there were plenty more out there ready to try to blow up more cops.”
How many people did the Weather Underground kill, other than themselves? I can count the number on my hands. You and your buddy McVeigh? You murdered dozens, including babies. Shame on you and your hate-filled existence.
“The Weather Underground, et al, had numerous plots all going, and one could never tell when the next one would come to fruition.”
I have recently invested in a unicorn farm, and it shall make me rich! Rich I say! (Which is to say, arguing from non-facts is pretty dumb Jay-Tea-Caruso-Whoever-The-Lame-Ass-Fuck-You-Are.)
Weather Underground was bad. Timothy McVeigh and his anti-American, right-wing ideology? Much, much worse. Just ask the mothers of those babies in the kindergarten that was blown apart.
So Jay – your argument is that we should concern ourselves with threats that are unorganized, ill-disciplined, and ineffectual, simply because some people may symathsize with them, but cannot be bothered to do anything? But a small, disciplined group with a proven track record of causing death and mayhem can be ignored, due to their small numbers?
That would explain hunting for nonexistent WMDs in Iraq when the very real Al Qaeda was setting up shop on the Afghan-Pakistan border.
Sigh…
McVeigh, et al: One attack. Caught, tried, convicted, sentenced, executed.
Weather Underground: Molotov cocktail attack on judge’s home. Planned anti-personnel bomb at enlisted soldiers’ dance; incompetence leads to premature detonation, fortunately only killing themselves. Leaders unrepentant to this day, forgiven for their actions by the Left, recognized champions of liberal causes.
Al GoreUnabomber: 16 bombs, 3 dead, 23 wounded.(sarcasm)Perhaps if McVeigh’s bomb had failed to detonate, he could have gone on to live a productive life, perhaps even become a leader in community organizing and helped launch the career of a future president. We’ll never know, though.(end sarcasm)
J.
Jaim,
Your arrogance combined with your ignorance is a gift that just keeps on giving. You have a fixed narrative that does not allow you process information that doesn’t fit your preconceived notions. Basically your ideology coupled with your limited ability for critical thought reveals a shallowness that is quite obvious. Basically you are faking yourself out with the thought that you are an intellectual.
Like clockwork your line of reasoning breaks down into frusterated ranting puncuated by foul language and immature petulant name calling. Are you by any chance an only child? You were certainly spoiled. Adulthood just hasn’t really worked out for you, living in a world where everyone is not as smart as you yet success is never within reach. It just isn’t fair is it?
Hey, Amused, watch out.
You’re messing with someone who went to SIDWELL FRIENDS.
What’s the shelf life on how long you’re allowed to boast about your high school, anyway?
J.
“Perhaps if McVeigh’s bomb had failed to detonate, he could have gone on to live a productive life,”
As has been pointed out on numerous occasions the biggest difference between terrorists of the right and terrorists of the left in this country is competance. McVeigh’s greatest shortcoming compared to Ayers was his choice in parents. Without Daddy Bill would be a 60 something excon working at 7-11 if he had made it out of prison alive.
Jay’s dismissal of Oklahoma City reminds me of scene from Everybody Loves Raymond:
Raymond – What about the time you drove the car into our living room?
Marie – One time!
Whoa, looks like the “Heil Hitler” shouter is a self-described “conservative” who says, “I’ve always been a Republican,” and who “believes in biblical values.” KKKlassy.
This is who reality-based people are up against.
Indeed.
http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=3230805
David Waldman ads:
And another left-wing nutcase woman plays pretend doctor at a town hall meeting.
Another Phony ObamaCare Doctor-Is really a Far Left Nut
This is the Left’s idea of reality-based people.
Indeed.
Classy, Mister ed.
Conservative Caught Yelling “Heil Hitler”
Strangely enough, nowhere in that link (or anywhere else) did I see any documentation of the woman’s political affiliation or beliefs, whether liberal or conservative.
But hey, don’t let that put a damper on the happy little “conservatives are evil” circle jerk you’ve got going here.
I know that Oliver is never one to let an inconvenient thing like facts get in the way of getting his conservative hate on.
“But Dave, you stoopid, evil Rethuglikkkan, we know she’s a conservative because only an rotten and twisted con would dare accuse someone of being a Nazi”
Uh, sure…
Woman Comparing Obama to Hitler is a Lyndon LaRouche Democrat
Strangely enough, nowhere in that link (or anywhere else) did I see any documentation of the woman’s political affiliation or beliefs, whether liberal or conservative.
Strangely enough, she describes herself as a “Republican all my life” and a “conservative” who believes in “biblical values.” You know, a garden variety modern Republican. Isn’t that strange?
Watch for yourself:
http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=3230805
“Strangely enough, she describes herself as a “Republican all my life” and a “conservative” who believes in “biblical values.” You know, a garden variety modern Republican. Isn’t that strange?”
Are you going to believe Dave or your lying eyes?
Indeed/Mister ed,
You still haven’t squared how this nutcase lady yelling ‘Heil Hitler’ to a Jewish man has anything to do Rush Limbaugh comparing Obamacare to Nazism.
And as you can see from the link I provided, these town halls tend to attract nutcases on both sides. Are all the liberals here just like this pretend doctor lady? I mean, do you all own beat-up Toyotas that you’ve dressed up in the latest radical chic with bumper stickers that read ‘Is that middle finger informed’.
Actually, never mind, don’t answer that. You guys don’t get worked up about the two wars anymore. I don’t imagine this pretend doctor lady does, either.
KXB, it might have slipped past you, but I wasn’t downplaying McVeigh’s deeds. I was trying to keep your side from minimizing the offenses of the terrorists on your side.
And sorry if some of us aren’t quite so up in arms over the “Heil Hitler” stuff — after seven years of “BusHitler” and the like, I’ve personally grown rather inured of the whole thing.
J.
You still haven’t squared how this nutcase lady yelling ‘Heil Hitler’ to a Jewish man has anything to do Rush Limbaugh comparing Obamacare to Nazism.
Did you watch the videos? Did you listen to your hero, Rush Limbaugh? Are you fucking stoopid?
And anyway, I did suggest that she may be a FemiNazi.
Heh.
Heh-heh.
Heh-heh-heh.
Semi-related from Wonkette:
http://wonkette.com/410597/rush-limbaugh-has-a-punchline-for-you
Jay,
It’s not a question of sides. I’m still a registered Republican, mostly cause I am too lazy to do the paperwork of switching to Independent. In all presidential elections prior to 2008, I voted Republican. But somewhere along the way, guys like you decided that competency was no longer a job requirement, so long as someone had the right talking points. So, given that Republicans are whipping up hysteria among the militia crowd, and such men have shown no hesitation or lack of skill in murdering Americans – it is reasonable for me to be more concerned about them than a bunch of Weathermen too stoned to remember where they put their getaway van, much less know how to devise a working bomb. Being a convicted felon and advocating the murder of federal agents has not prevent G. Gordon Liddy from being a darling of the right wing crowds.
You guys support the hate. God forbid America ever has to suffer from it again.
There’s no hatred now?
It oozes from the very pores of the arrogant leftist undeservedly elite, who think they know better than the so called average American.
Can you honestly tell me that the first thing you and your ilk did not feel on Election Night was smug?
I supported terror? I went 20,0000 miles from home to fight Communists, you simpering fop!
It oozes from the very pores of the arrogant leftist undeservedly elite, who think they know better than the so called average American.
And thank Moloch that you aren’t so presumptuous. You would never presume to think you know better than the so-called average American. Kudos to you.
Can you honestly tell me that the first thing you and your ilk did not feel on Election Night was smug?
Yes. (It was relief that a dumbass and/or mad neocon was no longer in charge of the United States.)
Smug:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn4daYJzyls
It’s hilarious because it’s true!
“I went 20,0000 miles from home to fight Communists, you simpering fop!”
Using the Google, and finding that the circumference of the earth is about 24,900 miles along the equator, that means you were either fighting the communists in the Atlantic or Pacific Oceans, or you were part of the cast of Red Dawn.
after seven years of “BusHitler” and the like
I know. I wish conservatives would stop using that term in their parodies of lefties.
“I went 20,0000 miles from home to fight Communists, you simpering fop!”
Whatever.
Gosh, Quaker, you are the most precious little thing…
http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=612
Plus, at least two of the Obama-Hitler protesters have been identified as a John Dingell supporter and a Lyndon Larouchist respectively…
J.
Leave Frankie alone. He was fighting them in outer space, all you simpering fops.
Plus, at least two of the Obama-Hitler protesters have been identified as a John Dingell supporter and a Lyndon Larouchist respectively…
A-ha! So Rush Limbaugh, who has been loudly touting the Obama is Hitler meme (amongst others), is a liberal-democRAT plant as well. Nice try, libtards! J’s onto you!
In Frank’s defense, he didn’t say it was 20,000 miles in a straight line… hmm… US-Europe-Japan(over US)-Viet Nam might add up to about 20K miles…
(Yeah, it’s weak. I didn’t have a hell of a lot to work with.)
J.
So the Limbaugh-Larouche Hitlerian plot thickens.
(Yeah, it’s weak. I didn’t have a hell of a lot to work with.)
Well, that’s because….
….nahhhh.
KXB : You jerk, perhaps you’ve heard of the former French colony of Indochina?
Google that, asswipe .
Indeed: How infected must a person be with hubris to be proud he is arrogant. Narcissist , his name is Legion, and you are led by the Narcissist – in – Chief.
The “our end justifies our means” people gave communism and fascism many useful tools to work with.
Incapable of rational thought, these kinds of people must derive all their values externally. In these cases, the actual belief systems themselves are irrelevant compared to the psychology.
I see today’s useful tools in America as being concentrated within the wingnut nation. “Heil Hitler lady” is a good poster child for people who cannot see other experiences, issues and ideas as anything but inferior to their own, even though these things were not derived by introspective intellectual and spiritual meditations, but from outside of themselves.
I think they’re are also causing the Founding Father of Christianity, Jesus, to alternate between weeping inconsolably and bashing his head against the wall.
How infected must a person be with hubris to be proud he is arrogant. Narcissist , his name is Legion, and you are led by the Narcissist – in – Chief.
I’m sorry, did I interrupt? You were asserting something.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bush-god-told-me-to-invade-iraq-509925.html
Jay Tea, thank you for describing the great polar route. Yes, that was exactly the route I took. Sorry for the miscalculation, but I wasn’t the pilot – I was one of the passengers.
I was only making the point that you gas bags really think you’re accomplishing something when you “deplore” this and “denounce” that, when, in fact, you have never done a goddam thing to defend your country , or its people , or its values, since the day you popped out your rich Mommy’s womb with prepaid reservation for pre-school in your fist .
Using Google again, the total distance from Vietnam to United States is 8,429 miles. That is 11,571 miles less than the 20,000 miles you say you traveled to fight.
You sure you were not turned down for the role of Captain America in “Generation Kill”?
I was only making the point that you gas bags really think you’re accomplishing something when you “deplore” this and “denounce” that, when, in fact, you have never done a goddam thing to defend your country , or its people , or its values, since the day you popped out your rich Mommy’s womb with prepaid reservation for pre-school in your fist .
Well at least you’re not a presumptuous narcissist.
Frank, I was kinda making fun of you. But it is quite telling how quickly the regular bozos here latched on to one tiny bit of hyperbole so they could exclude everything else.
I’ve said a million times to avoid hyperbole…
J.
have never done a goddam thing to defend your country
How dare you insult virtually all of Dubya’s people, the neocon leadership and the 101st Fighting Keyboardists!
“I went 20,0000 miles from home to fight Communists, you simpering fop!”
Apparitions. Stay home.
“Rich mommy’s womb”?! What is with this persistent RWNM meme that anyone opposing their worldview is a spoiled child of privilege? Certainly doesn’t apply to me – my dad (combat veteran of WWII, FWIW) worked for the Post Office, my mom at Macy’s. Not a luxe upbringing. Went to public university, and spent 24 years at the prosthetics service at our local VA medical center, working with disabled veterans. In my experience, most whiny loudmouths with gargantuan senses of entitlement (looking at you, Mr. DiSalle) had been base camp commandos who never got within earshot of enemy fire. The actual disabled combat veterans were typically wonderful guys who appreciated everything *THE GOVERNMENT* was providing them with, like, oh, _health care_, for example. I was proud that doing my job well meant that life would be made a little easier for someone. They had my sympathy and appreciation.
Of course, there were occasional combat veterans who managed to become whiny loudmouths in civilian life; if you’re one of those, Mr. D, you have neither my sympathy nor my appreciation.
“I was proud that doing my job well meant that life would be made a little easier for someone. They had my sympathy and appreciation.”
Nice.
“Rich mommy’s womb”
Not even remotely as rich as the mommy of your personal hero (William F. Buckley, Jr., the racist defender of the ultra-rich).
Robert : I am one of those disabled veterans you “cared” about.
Dispensing government may have felt you were changing the world – good for you. I was as grateful for the care I received from the US Army as I was from the VAMC, and subsequently, Medicaid.
But your attitude towards me is irrelevant.
And those of you so quick to claim your “Rich? – Not me!” credentials, must appreciate the irony of the fact that of all the millions of arrogant “we know it all and you poor slobs know nothing” liberals , there are, like , eleven of you “lunch pail liberals”.
The day of the fighting working man is over – it’s all about Big Labor , Big Ecology, and Big Government. Soon, if the Dems can get away with it, make way for Big Pharma.
Then , more people who make decisions for all of us, will be people whose feet have never touched the sidewalk .
KXB , next you’ll be telling me you checked
The World Book Encyclopedia of the InternetWikiPedia , and Vietnam was discovered by Oliver Stone.Get a map, you moron, leave the geography to the adults
While you’re Googling , try googling “USARPAC”
What does that mean?
“The day of the fighting working man is over … .”
and this is crap –
‘Soon, if the Dems can get away with it, make way for Big Pharma.’
I’m not a veteran, but I worked with a couple of Nam vets once.
(*crickets*)
They had that Vietnam brotherhood bond thing, but were exactly as been described. The big biker guy who whined all the time about work had only been a support tech his whole tour. The little, soft spoken, humble guy had done most of his time as a med-evac chopper door gunner, and never bitched about anything. What does this mean?
Soon, if the Dems can get away with it, make way for Big Pharma.
Um, Big Pharma, like Big Insurance, is opposed to Health Care Reform, Einstein.
“eleven of you ‘lunch pail liberals’.”
I’d love to see you go into a working-class black or latino neighborhood and tell that to the predominantly Democratic men and women.
Seriously, it’d be funny as hell to see them laugh at your sorry ass.
This weird dismissal of working class Dems is actually kind of fascinating, because if it’s one thing we’ve learned over the past few years, and from various members of this site, you’re far more likely to meet a non-working “investor class” Republican who’s never worked an honest day in his life than you are a Dem. Sure, they exist on both sides of the political divide, but the more you keep saying “Dems are elitist Ivy Leaguers and only eleven of them actually work,” the more I have to laugh.
You’ve been getting government assistance for decades. And that’s good. You deserve it. But you rail against “Big Government”? The government takes care of you! If you had any principals you’d refuse your checks.
The same goes for another prominent troll on this site who had his life saved by government-provided “Socialist” health-care, and who now rails against anybody else getting similar, life-saving treatment.
God, I could go on. The GOP is filled with “Ivy Leaguers,” with trust-fund babies, with the wealthiest of the wealthy. But a working person who votes Dem isn’t a “real” working person?
I guess that’s how your twisted bizarro-world logic works. Something like, “I got mine from the government, now let’s make sure nobody else benefits from government assistance, ever.”
At the heart of the modern-day GOP is a simple cognitive dissonance that is absolutely deafening. And you remind me of this every time you post, Frank. Thank you.
‘Misleading statements bordering on lies, that’s how Democrats roll from Obama all the way down to Oliver and it appears Zython.’
If I’m not mistaken, the previous Republican president led the country to war on a pack of lies, tortured prisoners (in secret prisons) and lied about that, kept the cost of 2 failed wars off the books for years, contributing in no small part to the economic meltdown he ushered in, the current crop of Right wing squawkboxes are spewing lies about health care reform like crazy, and you have the gall to talk about Democratic lying?
Please.
‘I doubt it, probably no handholding either. As far as I know only one president in our history has bowed down to another world leader.’
You just never tire of being wrong, do you?
http://earthhopenetwork.net/bush_kisses_saudi_king.jpg
http://www.mindfully.org/Energy/2008/Bush-King-Abdullah16may08.jpg
http://www.mindfully.org/Energy/2008/Bush-King-Abdullah16may08.jpg
‘Burn,
Your ignorance of protocol and diplomacy is showing. Or maybe it’s just your ignorance alone on display.’
Why? Because YOU say so?
‘When it comes to dastardly name calling, the left has been taking home the Cup since the 1930’s.
How do you even say these things, without your heads’ exploding from hypocrisy?’
It’s easy when you’re ‘in league with the terrorists,’ are ‘traitors’ and ‘unpatriotic’ for having the nerve to not prostrate yourself before God’s chosen President George Dumbya Bush.
‘A little something for the rest of you to ponder’
Quoting Hitler?
That’s always a winner.
‘In Frank’s defense,’
Typical.
Let him defend his own asinine statement.
Quoting Hitler badly?
Pricless!
Ann Coulter is a stronger ally of Israel than Obama is, to say nothing of acadamia which tilts significantly left.
Bull-fucking-shit. Ann Coulter doesn’t care about Israel or the Jews. She just hates Muslims more. As for the rest of the Christian extremists on the right, they just support Israel because they think that exiling the Palestinians will initiate the Rapture. Both the neoconservatives and the Religious Right are merely using Israel to further their own goals.
Coulter has referred to Jews as “incomplete” Christians (as in, they aren’t fully formed yet since they have yet to accept Jesus as the Christ).
This is about as anti-Semitic as you can get. Actually, it’s worse. She doesn’t just hate Jews, she wants to “fix” them.
Perhaps I mistook my 20 hour trip for my 10,000 mile trip, but I took the trip. When a guy walks into a Recruiting Station, and offers to defend his country, “from all enemies, foreign and domestic” , he is already a hero. And, by the way, he has done more than any of you.
During the Bush Administration, even the crustiest liberal could manage a “Thanks for your service” (as if I had mowed your lawn). Now I am mocked.
But, remember: I am a Viet Nam veteran (war bad), not a World War II veteran (war good). I have been portrayed as deranged, drunk, homeless, addicted, bloodthirsty, “dazed and confused” – what’s a little mockery?
Indeed: Thank you for calling me Einstein, but I’m not heavy into physics. I can read an article from Forbes Magazine:
And, by the way, he has done more than any of you.
But at least you’re not a presumptuous narcissist. Thank goodness for that.
Frank, you’re not being mocked for your service. You’re being mocked for… well, being mockable.
Veterans do deserve our respect and our support, but that is hardly a blank check for instant credibility on all matters. If it was, Timothy McVeigh would not be one of the most hated Americans in history. Bill Clinton would never have been elected. Neither would George W. Bush or Barack Obama.
Honorable service is to be honored. But it does not exempt one from being criticized.
Sorry to be the voice of reason here, siding with the assholes… but they’re not out of line for that.
J.
This isn’t my argument to defend or to say who’s out of line, but no one here ever steps in to be the voice of reason when Repack Rider exploits his service to belittle someone’s opinion if he doesn’t agree with it, or to use it to call someone else a chickenhawk, which he’s done countless times here.
And no conservatives to my knowledge have ever mocked one thing about his service or what he’s said about his experience other than to say that not having fought doesn’t nullify one’s right to voice an opinion.
Sorry to be the voice of reason here, siding with the assholes..
Is Pamela Pilger your mother?
Jay Tea , too bad you fell into their deflection. I was accused of endorsing bigotry – I said I fought in a war to defend freedom , something none of them had ever done. In fact , my point was that none of these jimokes had ever defended anything righteous in their lives, but thought of themselves as real Freedom Fighters for “deploring” and “denouncing”.
You think I care what other people think of my service? I know what I did. You don’t get it? Then shove off.
my point was that none of these jimokes had ever defended anything righteous in their lives
And an excellent point it was. Because you everything that any and all of us Liberal Fascists have ever done. Plus you’re not a presumptuous narcissist–you don’t abuse your omniscience. Kudos to you.
As a timely example, I point to the time I called out the Cheney Administration ginned up phony terrorist threats for political gain. I defended the U.S. from fucking monsters; tried to anyway. Downright righteous of me if I say so myself. (And one shouldn’t have to point this out, but as Atrios did earlier, “And just so it’s clear: using the threat of terrorism to try to achieve political goals is, you know, what terrorists do.”) Where were you during those heady days, Dr. Professor Holier Than Thou?
Based on what I’ve observed, true Vietnam vets break political ranks to defend other vets who are being ridiculed. And then Frankie has the gall to tell us he’s being taken care of by the government which he also says has no business taking care of the rest of us. I call bullshit.
I forgot about John Kerry, my bad. Instead of bashing him for what he said after the war, (where IMO he made himself fair game), they tried to smear his actual service record instead.
Carry on.
freD: If you are suggesting that I didn’t go to Viet Nam, you are wasting your time .
Indeed: If fighting a war against terrorism is OK for you, fighting a war to achieve freedom for the Vietnamese is OK for me . Welcome home, bro’!
One thing I want to make clear: Whatever knowledge I have of the military is because my father worked for the DoA for most of my life, and because I was in the Army for 4 years. I am not, nor have I claimed to be, a military strategist or military historian.
I don’t believe anyone outside the Pentagon can have a glimpse of the “Big Picture” til the war is over , and they have read a few books. As it so happens, I have read many books on Vietnam, and new stuff appears every day. So the “50 year rule” still applies to writing about wars and other major events.
I never understood why conservatives hate liberalism when freedom is a liberal ideal by it very nature. Conservatives have managed to turn this liberal ideal into a feudal fascist and imperialist ideology. And the folks believe it, hook line and sinker. Go figure.
First off Frank, you don’t get to play the veteran card in order to de-legitimize working people who vote Democrat (the millions upon millions of them). Seriously, read what you wrote up-thread. There are only “eleven lunch-pail liberals”? Really? What utter bullshit.
Second, you wrote “I have never railed against government benefits for people who are in need.”
You know who’s in need? People who are sick and can’t get affordable health-care due to a pre-existing condition or because they got laid off and lost their coverage.
It’s high time you thought through your bizarre logic when it comes to how and when the government should help people.