Comments on: A Good Price To Pay http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/18/a-good-price-to-pay/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Sun, 21 Mar 2010 22:29:00 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: buma http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/18/a-good-price-to-pay/#comment-172688 buma Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:32:51 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16215#comment-172688 <i>With any luck the 20 seats will disappear and the attempt to ruin the most effective healthcare system in the world will also fail. -- Stephen Colbert</i> If you consider the fact that a higher percentage of our GDP is spent on health care than in any other nation, 'efficient' is not the correct word for it. However, our system is effective at maintaining profits for the health insurance sector, which seems to be very important to conservatives. With any luck the 20 seats will disappear and the attempt to ruin the most effective healthcare system in the world will also fail. — Stephen Colbert

If you consider the fact that a higher percentage of our GDP is spent on health care than in any other nation, ‘efficient’ is not the correct word for it. However, our system is effective at maintaining profits for the health insurance sector, which seems to be very important to conservatives.

]]> By: Zython http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/18/a-good-price-to-pay/#comment-172515 Zython Wed, 19 Aug 2009 01:41:27 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16215#comment-172515 <i>With any luck the 20 seats will disappear and the attempt to ruin the most effective healthcare system in the world will also fail.</i> Translation: <a HREF="http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html" rel="nofollow">37 = 1</A>. With any luck the 20 seats will disappear and the attempt to ruin the most effective healthcare system in the world will also fail.

Translation: 37 = 1.

]]> By: Matthew Hooper http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/18/a-good-price-to-pay/#comment-172468 Matthew Hooper Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:52:43 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16215#comment-172468 Yes. We pass the public option later, after a national health care system is entrenched, and it becomes utterly impossible to uproot it because embraced by the American public just like Medicare and Social Security. Once it becomes blindlingly clear that health care reform will not is not code for "grandma eatin' monster", like the Republicans have been trying to make people believe, then we set upa government-run co-op and we have our public option. But let's get the possible done, then perfect it. Long story short? F**k ideology. Let's get something that works. Yes. We pass the public option later, after a national health care system is entrenched, and it becomes utterly impossible to uproot it because embraced by the American public just like Medicare and Social Security. Once it becomes blindlingly clear that health care reform will not is not code for “grandma eatin’ monster”, like the Republicans have been trying to make people believe, then we set upa government-run co-op and we have our public option. But let’s get the possible done, then perfect it.

Long story short? F**k ideology. Let’s get something that works.

]]> By: limulus http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/18/a-good-price-to-pay/#comment-172455 limulus Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:18:08 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16215#comment-172455 Matthew Hooper, the public option is already a compromise of the progressive enchilada. Progressives take it for granted that there aren't the votes for single payer, so they haven't pushed it. The public option is also something Obama campaigned heavily on. Are you really suggesting that congressional Democrats should shoot down a major point of a Democratic president's agenda? Honestly, what's the point of even having a political party if that can't be accomplished? Matthew Hooper, the public option is already a compromise of the progressive enchilada. Progressives take it for granted that there aren’t the votes for single payer, so they haven’t pushed it.

The public option is also something Obama campaigned heavily on. Are you really suggesting that congressional Democrats should shoot down a major point of a Democratic president’s agenda? Honestly, what’s the point of even having a political party if that can’t be accomplished?

]]> By: Matthew Hooper http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/18/a-good-price-to-pay/#comment-172449 Matthew Hooper Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:53:51 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16215#comment-172449 ...but only health care with a public option and end-of-life councilling - the whole progressive enchilada. Right? None of this incrementalism for us - full speed ahead, or else you're not ONE OF US! Is that how it's supposed to work? Sheesh. I'm so glad that Obama's smarter than that. …but only health care with a public option and end-of-life councilling – the whole progressive enchilada. Right? None of this incrementalism for us – full speed ahead, or else you’re not ONE OF US! Is that how it’s supposed to work? Sheesh. I’m so glad that Obama’s smarter than that.

]]> By: Oliver Willis http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/18/a-good-price-to-pay/#comment-172444 Oliver Willis Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:24:09 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16215#comment-172444 <em>I thought purity tests are for the conservatives?</em> It isn't a purity test for Democrats to vote for health care reform. Ditto for Republicans, frankly. Its common sense. I thought purity tests are for the conservatives?
It isn’t a purity test for Democrats to vote for health care reform. Ditto for Republicans, frankly. Its common sense.

]]> By: David in NYC http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/18/a-good-price-to-pay/#comment-172438 David in NYC Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:54:03 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16215#comment-172438 <i>Perhaps Barry {snicker!} should trump up a phony war a la the Iraq Invasion or ignore threats from terrorists. Is that how the Pros do it?</i> No, the real pros trump up a phony war AND ignore threats from terrorists. Perhaps Barry {snicker!} should trump up a phony war a la the Iraq Invasion or ignore threats from terrorists. Is that how the Pros do it?

No, the real pros trump up a phony war AND ignore threats from terrorists.

]]> By: Indeed http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/18/a-good-price-to-pay/#comment-172431 Indeed Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:16:18 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16215#comment-172431 <i>Just like a rookie first round QB, Obama is clearly demonstrating that he’s not ready for prime-time and his OLine (Congress and Senate) is like a subway turnstile.</i> Perhaps Barry {snicker!} should trump up a phony war a la the Iraq Invasion or ignore threats from terrorists. Is that how the Pros do it? Just like a rookie first round QB, Obama is clearly demonstrating that he’s not ready for prime-time and his OLine (Congress and Senate) is like a subway turnstile.

Perhaps Barry {snicker!} should trump up a phony war a la the Iraq Invasion or ignore threats from terrorists. Is that how the Pros do it?

]]> By: SaveFarris http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/18/a-good-price-to-pay/#comment-172429 SaveFarris Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:13:36 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16215#comment-172429 <i>And the Democrat should be happy too because it means they can pass successful legislation for a change.</I> "For a change"?!? Democratics already have a Supermajority. You're telling us you can't pass legislation without a super-duper, mega-monstro Majority? Excuses, excuses... And the Democrat should be happy too because it means they can pass successful legislation for a change.

“For a change”?!? Democratics already have a Supermajority. You’re telling us you can’t pass legislation without a super-duper, mega-monstro Majority?

Excuses, excuses…

]]> By: Matthew Hooper http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/18/a-good-price-to-pay/#comment-172425 Matthew Hooper Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:45:15 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16215#comment-172425 Way to follow through on that "Democrats behaving more like Republicans" bulldada. I thought purity tests are for the conservatives? Way to follow through on that “Democrats behaving more like Republicans” bulldada. I thought purity tests are for the conservatives?

]]> By: Jafafa Hots http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/18/a-good-price-to-pay/#comment-172423 Jafafa Hots Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:37:10 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16215#comment-172423 Most effective health care system in the world? Well, for the shareholders anyway. Most effective health care system in the world?

Well, for the shareholders anyway.

]]> By: AAlex http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/18/a-good-price-to-pay/#comment-172422 AAlex Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:34:46 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16215#comment-172422 Obama had the right idea and the crazy, extremist Republicans in this country are destroying this country, but Obama just doesn't have the courage to pull off health care reform. He is too much like a typical Democrat: The lunatic right-wingers start whining and he starts trying to get them to love him. Seriously, Republican jackboots didn't worry about the Constitution while Bush tortured people, spied on innocent citizens without warrants, imprisoned US citizens without trials and now these jackboots are worried about health care reform being unconstitutional? They are nuts--insane, extremists, fascists and Obama, the coward, thinks he can somehow placate these lunatics and is willing to throw out the public option in an effort to make the racist, hate-filled, angry loons like him? What a coward! Obama had the right idea and the crazy, extremist Republicans in this country are destroying this country, but Obama just doesn’t have the courage to pull off health care reform. He is too much like a typical Democrat: The lunatic right-wingers start whining and he starts trying to get them to love him. Seriously, Republican jackboots didn’t worry about the Constitution while Bush tortured people, spied on innocent citizens without warrants, imprisoned US citizens without trials and now these jackboots are worried about health care reform being unconstitutional? They are nuts–insane, extremists, fascists and Obama, the coward, thinks he can somehow placate these lunatics and is willing to throw out the public option in an effort to make the racist, hate-filled, angry loons like him? What a coward!

]]> By: Xynyx http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/18/a-good-price-to-pay/#comment-172421 Xynyx Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:33:27 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16215#comment-172421 The rest of the team has to be willing to play with the QB, too. If the rest of the team just can't carry the ball, the game may still be lost. The rest of the team has to be willing to play with the QB, too. If the rest of the team just can’t carry the ball, the game may still be lost.

]]> By: joaquin http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/18/a-good-price-to-pay/#comment-172419 joaquin Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:25:53 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16215#comment-172419 Boy oh boy! Hasn't this Hopey Changey thing turned around. Just like a rookie first round QB, Obama is clearly demonstrating that he's not ready for prime-time and his OLine (Congress and Senate) is like a subway turnstile. Boy oh boy! Hasn’t this Hopey Changey thing turned around.
Just like a rookie first round QB, Obama is clearly demonstrating that he’s not ready for prime-time and his OLine (Congress and Senate) is like a subway turnstile.

]]> By: Ayaz Hyder http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/18/a-good-price-to-pay/#comment-172418 Ayaz Hyder Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:21:20 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16215#comment-172418 Anyone who calls the current health care system effective is lost. Anyone who calls the current health care system effective is lost.

]]> By: Amused Observer http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/18/a-good-price-to-pay/#comment-172417 Amused Observer Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:20:04 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16215#comment-172417 With any luck the 20 seats will disappear and the attempt to ruin the most effective healthcare system in the world will also fail. With any luck the 20 seats will disappear and the attempt to ruin the most effective healthcare system in the world will also fail.

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