Comments on: Obama Could Give It All Away. I Hope Not.

By: abanterer

abanterer — Wed, 19 Aug 2009 01:18:43 +0000

Mary Jo Kopechne? Wasn’t that the intern that died mysteriously in Joe Scarborough’s office?

No, wait, maybe it was Bob Dornan’s wife?

Or was that the lawyer that Cheney shot in the face?

Maybe it was the madam that David Vitter frequented?

I know it wasn’t a page for Mark Foley…

No, I guess you stumped me.

By: SaveFarris

SaveFarris — Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:23:10 +0000

Lower than Tom DeLay? Lower than Renzi? Ted Stevens? Richard Pombo? Tom Feeney?

Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.

By: abanterer

abanterer — Tue, 18 Aug 2009 04:13:44 +0000

“We might search the rolls of congress from the revolution on and not find a lower snake in the grass than Ted Kennedy.”

Way off topic, I know. But, seriously? Lower than Tom DeLay? Lower than Renzi? Ted Stevens? Richard Pombo? Tom Feeney? And that’s just relatively recent – you could go further back, to the Gilded Age, when the industrialists all but bought elections on both sides of the isle.

Come on, even Jefferson? That’s a gimme for you!

By: Jaim

Jaim — Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:52:45 +0000

A country with a smaller population is going to have a smaller tax-base as well. Arguing that a public system wouldn’t work in America because we’re too big is ridiculous.

By: El Cid

El Cid — Tue, 18 Aug 2009 02:52:42 +0000

Wait — on the one hand, WE HAVE 300 MILLION PEOPLE AND THIS MAKES HEALTH CARE REFORM MUCH MUCH MORE COMPLEX THAN CANADA OR YURRUP.

And on the other hand, OMG WHY IZ IT 1,000 PAGES? SURELY DEATH PANELS ARE HID IN THUR.

By: Zython

Zython — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:54:47 +0000

This bill hasn’t been debated AT ALL.

Well, at least you’ve admitted that the Republican hysteria isn’t “debate”. I suppose that’s a start.

By: freD

freD — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:52:07 +0000

I agree with Jay.

It appears that the Canadian, French, and British experiments, while not perfect, have seen some success. As Americans, we have no excuse but to build on these successes.

Now if only his fellow conservatives would take his advice and do what he and Oliver are suggesting, stick to the merits and quit bringing up bizzaro world crap.

By: canadian bacon

canadian bacon — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:54:34 +0000

“Sometimes expensive things work.

Enron “worked” too. Up until it didn’t.”

Obama’s fault, I know.

By: GrrlCanada

GrrlCanada — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:26:51 +0000

People keep blathering about Canada, Great Britain, France, etc. Let’s look at something here that is central to this issue:

Canadian population: 33 million
French population: 61 million
British population: 61 million
USA population: 304 million

Do you see the difference here? We’re talking about rolling out a plan that will affect over a QUARTER BILLION people.

So, let me get this straight, Jay. My country didn’t need to worry about how long we debated health care because we had a smaller population? Did I get that right?

How about Britain and France? It’s not like people were rolling in the dough after the second world war there, yet…

So don’t blast to me about how you all are suffering monetarily in the recession. Don’t tell me that you are too big a population to have the gut understanding that a happy, healthy population work hard and well.

People lost their lives, their families, their homes and suffered immensely in these countries you just pooh-poohed because of their population. And yet, they had more balls to spend a little more money and have heaps more empathy for their fellow man than you apparently have.

By: SaveFarris

SaveFarris — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:25:08 +0000

Sometimes expensive things work.

Enron “worked” too. Up until it didn’t.

By: Quaker in a Basement

Quaker in a Basement — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:35:24 +0000

Maybe it is the spectre of government rationing of healthcare that brother Zeke has committed to in writing.

While we’re at it, AO, I call you on this one too. Where is this “commitment” from Dr. Emmanuel?

By: Quaker in a Basement

Quaker in a Basement — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:33:43 +0000

You mean like the provisions to gently council our grandparents towards the shining light that Sarah Palin brought to popular attention?

AO, I’m certain that you, like all sound-thinking opponents of this bill, have read every jot and tittle of the proposed legislation. Perhaps you could point us to the location of Ms. Palin’s “death panels”?

By: Oliver Willis

Oliver Willis — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:24:49 +0000

This is about THIS particular bill.
Even if we limit it to those silly confines, conservatives are not seriously arguing the merits of the House bill. They’re bitching that its too long and will convert grandma to dust. It’s not serious.

By: Oliver Willis

Oliver Willis — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:23:23 +0000

Now it costs over $400 billion and is going broke.
And do you want to get rid of Medicare? Probably not. Why? Because it works. Sometimes expensive things work.

By: Amused Observer

Amused Observer — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:14:29 +0000

It certainly was galling that our inexperienced young president saw fit to give the drunken coward of Massachusetts a medal for his accomplishments. We might search the rolls of congress from the revolution on and not find a lower snake in the grass than Ted Kennedy.

By: SaveFarris

SaveFarris — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:02:07 +0000

The real problem is, the supporters haven’t even read it.

It gets even better. I’ll bet dollars to donuts one of the *AUTHORS* hasn’t read it. Paging Sen. Kennedy…

By: Amused Observer

Amused Observer — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:21:35 +0000

SQ,
Sarah gave it a stark name but she didn’t lie about it. While a rose may smell as sweet by any other name it still has thorns.

By: Southern Quaker

Southern Quaker — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:16:57 +0000

You mean like the provisions to gently council our grandparents towards the shining light that Sarah Palin ~~brought to popular attention?~~ blatantly lied about.

Fixed.

By: Jay

Jay — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:05:50 +0000

El Cid, your snark aside, the question is, “Why does it have to be one massive bill?” If somebody could choose what the biggest problem with our country’s health care system is, what would you say? And then why not address that particular issue first and then move on.

People always forget their history. Medicare was never going to cost more than $10 billion. Now it costs over $400 billion and is going broke. Yet, we’re supposed to just take this bill and pass it on through. Unreal.

By: Amused Observer

Amused Observer — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:59:33 +0000

LOL Quaker,
You mean like the provisions to gently council our grandparents towards the shining light that Sarah Palin brought to popular attention? Or the startling fact that federal employees would be exempt from the provisons of this bill? Perhaps you mean the unliklihood that private insurance could survive competition with a subsidized syatem that faces no real bottom line? Maybe it is the spectre of government rationing of healthcare that brother Zeke has committed to in writing. Is that the kind of critism you feel is missing from the debate?

Obama is on record as favoring the eventual destruction of the private option over time. Is the only reason not to believe him his past problems with the truth?