America, Meet Instapundit
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Of course, Obama’s plan — and Big Government in general — is all about ensuring that we don’t have the right to decide how to spend our dollars but should instead let somebody else take them at gunpoint and decide how they’re spent.
Nobody’s taking anything “at gunpoint”, but in this country we elect leaders, and taxes are collected, and those elected leaders decide how and when that money is spent. If we don’t like how they did their job we have these things called “elections” where we judge their performance and decide whether they keep their jobs or not.
I know this is now crazy “tyranny” talk in conservativeland nowadays, but that’s how our republic operates and is part of the reason why America is great.
I’m no fan of big government, but this conservative fantasy where we engage in colonial cosplay and act as if we’re running 13 colonies with less than 5 million people instead of a bi-coastal nation of over 300 million has got to stop at some point.
UPDATE: Glenn Reynolds must be in favor of Democratic health care reform. Why? He says:
APPARENTLY, A CANADIAN-STYLE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM DOESN’T SOLVE THE HEALTH CRISIS.
Then he links to a story about Canadian health care. Why do I say he must be in favor of Democratic health care reform?
BECAUSE NONE OF THE LEGISLATION REMOTELY RESEMBLES A CANADIAN STYLE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.
In fact, President Obama said:
The president, however, said he wouldn’t use the Canadian model because the U.S. system has already been built around “a private-based health care system that stands side-by-side” with Medicare, Medicaid and Veterans Administration health care.
“I’ve said that the Canadian model works for Canada. It would not work for the United States, in part simply because we’ve evolved differently,” he said. “So, we’ve got to develop a uniquely American approach to this problem.”
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Guys who work at state universities should probably shut the fuck up when it comes to complaining about big government.
Either that or refuse to cash Tennessee’s checks.
Ah, got my right-wing hacks confused. Sorry ’bout that.
Jaime and confusion go hand in hand. Oliver’s viewpoint that the 1000 plus page preliminary plan does not resemble Canada’s must mean he is intimately familiar with the minutia of both the Canadian system and the yet as frozen Democrat version. Quite an intellectual feat for someone who routinely runs inflammatory and deceptive headlines coupled with flawed logic.
I’m willing to wager almost any sum that Reynolds doesn’t support the Democrat’s plans for healthcare. Perhaps Jaime could expand on his childish theory that employment as an educator at a state university precludes one from supporting a smaller less intrusive government.
Oliver, I suggest you read P. J. O’Rourke’s “Parliament Of Whores,” paying particular attention to the chapter entitled “Would you kill your grandmother to pave I-95?”
In it, he explains how all taxes are collected this way:
If you don’t pay your taxes, you get taken to court. If you still refuse to pay them, you get locked in jail. And if you try to escape, you will be shot.
Taxation is always done with the threat of force behind it, and the ultimate expression of government force is to kill you — by any of several means.
Unless, of course, you’re an Obama nominee… then you get a pass.
J.
Taxation is always done with the threat of force behind it, and the ultimate expression of government force is to kill you — by any of several means.
Jay Tea, the threat of force is basically what maintains all of civil society, you moron. The same thing will happen to you if you commit murder.
It’s against the law to not pay taxes. The legal way to protest taxation is to vote for people who will tax you the way you want to be taxed.
Running around telling everyone that the government is collecting taxes at gunpoint is irresponsible rhetoric that inflames exactly the wrong kind of response.
It’s the rhetoric of extremism, Jay Tea.
Perhaps Jaime could expand on his childish theory that employment as an educator at a state university precludes one from supporting a smaller less intrusive government.
Amused, it doesn’t matter how small the government gets, as long as the state university is funded through taxes, then Reynold’s salary is being collected at gunpoint, as he puts it.
Fafaroo,
Thanks for the primer on how a state university is funded. What would I do without your keen insight? That doesn’t really address the point of the possibility of being an employee of the state as an educator and still believing in the merits of a smaller less intrusive government.
That doesn’t really address the point of the possibility of being an employee of the state as an educator and still believing in the merits of a smaller less intrusive government.
Except that Reynolds appears to have no problem at all with the means through which his salary is collected, otherwise he either wouldn’t be working at a state university as a matter of principle or else he would be demanding to get paid via a subscriptions to his classes, which parents and students would pay him directly if they liked the job he was doing.
Otherwise, it’s EXACTLY AS IF Reynold’s was pointing a gun at their heads demanding their wallets.
This makes about as much sense as you telling Jay Tea that he owes you a his gratitude for a hospital stay when you pay no federal taxes, Jaim. Perhaps it’s you who should shut the fuck up, since Glenn Reynolds pays a hefty sum for federal taxes from his university salary and his wife’s salary.
Perhaps it’s you who should shut the fuck up, since Glenn Reynolds pays a hefty sum for federal taxes from his university salary and his wife’s salary.
Yeah, from the money he robs from his students and their parents at gun point!!!!
Why no wonder Reynolds is in favor of conceal and carry in classrooms. It’s so much easier than direct deposit to force his students to pay his salary at the end of a gun.
Because that’s exactly what Reynolds does!
I’m no fan of big government,
This made me laugh…
fafaroo-
We’ve been over this before. Jaim pays no federal taxes, yet tells people who do to both shut the fuck up, and to kiss his ass if you received any federal aid whatsoever.
You back him on this for some strange reason.
Gotta hand it to the Ol’ Professor Reynolds — he’s doing so much to burnish the reputation of the institution of higher learning at which he bloviates! Or not…
@JayTeabagger: I’ve read “Parliament of Whores.” It sucks. Factual gaffes galore, and disappointingly unfunny. But I do like PJ’s “Bachelor Home Companion.” It remains my lifestyle Bible.
“TRICARE is a failure”-Glenn to vets
“Medicare is a failure”-Glenn to seniors
President Obama said: “I’ve said that the Canadian model works for Canada. It would not work for the United States, in part simply because we’ve evolved differently,” he said. “So, we’ve got to develop a uniquely American approach to this problem.”
Okay, but exactly what sort of system did Canada have in place prior to it creating and implementing its current model? How were medical practitioners paid and how did those in need of medical attention acquire services and pay for them? And what was it about its previous practices or systems that allowed for the transition to its current system?
The president’s usage of the word “evolved” here is quite odd because he is actually using it to imply that there is something glacially fixed and immutable about the U.S. health care system that prevents it from being transformed.
Yeah, from the money he robs from his students and their parents at gun point!!!!
Why no wonder Reynolds is in favor of conceal and carry in classrooms. It’s so much easier than direct deposit to force his students to pay his salary at the end of a gun.
As is his wont, faf once again overlooks a key element:
Not one of Reynolds’ students is under any compunction to attend his class, or his school. They are all there because they have chosen to be.
Further, if “concealed carry” was legal in classrooms, all it would take would be two students to outgun Reynolds. Kind of inverts the theoretical threat faparoo is hung up on…
J.
Pt, I think he is referencing the point that most countries that adopted some sort of universal health care did it by integrating parts of the current system. There was an article about it awhile back in the New Yorker. For example, Britain’s system evolved after WW2 when most people were depending on the government for health care anyway. Don’t know how Canada’s evolved but likely single payer was derived from an insurance model.
Pt, I think he is referencing the point that most countries that adopted some sort of universal health care did it by integrating parts of the current system. There was an article about it awhile back in the New Yorker.
This is a flat medium so bear with me here. If what you think the president is referencing is correct, then please explain why this would prevent the U.S. from expanding, say, Medicare to cover the 47 million people he says that currently do not have health insurance? The Canadians, for example, were able to adopt and greatly expand the publicly funded health care system that had been put in place in the province of Saskatchewan in 1946. I think the president is being either disingenuous or is ill-informed about how the current Canadian system came into being and operates today.
Fafaroo,
Not surprisingly you haven’t made a case for Jaim’s ridiculous position at all.
“I think the president is being either disingenuous or is ill-informed about how the current Canadian system came into being and operates today.”
People and progressive politicians went to the wall to get it done. Doctors went on strike, insurance companies and big business revolted, red baiting everywhere. Don’t forget the Communists were big post war now they’re just lazy fair capitalists. If you believe in it, you should fight for it, notwithstanding the complexities involved. The unknown is frightening but always doable. You’re a great nation with many accomplishments so make expanded healthcare one of them. If you want it.
What was it Mr. Franklin quipped about taxes?
Why do our resident wingnuts hate the framers of the Constitution?
“Guys who work at state universities should probably shut the fuck up when it comes to complaining about big government.”
This reminds me of Hannity who accepts advertising dollars from General Motors. For a guy whose against bailouts and government involvement in the economy, he sure takes the publics’ money. I’d like to see him take a principled stand when it affects his bottom line. Not likely.
Quaker,
Your accusations fall flat once again, I believe the quip you allude to is this;
“Our new Constitution is now established, and has an appearance that promises permanency; but in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes.” and in that same vein;
“In these sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution, with all its faults, — if they are such; because I think a general Government necessary for us, and there is no form of government but what may be a blessing to the people, if well administered; and I believe, farther, that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other. ” and lastly;
“I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. ”
Obama’s push to increase the welfare state at the cost of liberty is precisely the corruption Ben warns us of.
Not one of Reynolds’ students is under any compunction to attend his class, or his school. They are all there because they have chosen to be.
Jay Tea, stop and think for a single second. Just one second. That’s all it takes.
The University of Tennessee system is a state run system. It runs on state tax dollars, not just tuition. There are plenty of people in Tennessee paying taxes to support the U of T system who are not attending a U of T school.
In other words, Reynolds gets his salary paid by putting a gun to their heads and demanding it.
So, do you want to continue down this line or stop now?
Not surprisingly you haven’t made a case for Jaim’s ridiculous position at all.
Amused, if Jaim can’t complain about paying for Jay Tea’s health care through sarcasm, perhaps you can explain why you have a right to complain about anything, either.
Quaker,
I was speaking to Jaim’s ridiculous position that a man couldn’t be an employee of the state and still believe in a smaller less intrusive government. It is as groundless as your assertation about who might hate the framers of this nation. Dr Franklin would have many remarks to make regarding the Democrats, Obama, and you. None would be flattering.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada
Ah, sarcasm. It’s always you, fapper, that seems to come to Jaim’s defense and speaking for him when he doesn’t do it for himself. But this is the first you’ve mentioned sarcasm as a defense for his idiocy.
But this is the first you’ve mentioned sarcasm as a defense for his idiocy.
Remind us again what your defense was for outright lying?
I was speaking to Jaim’s ridiculous position that a man couldn’t be an employee of the state and still believe in a smaller less intrusive government.
And I was speaking to the argument that all taxation is teh eeeevil. Even the founders recognized it as essential to the good of the republic.
Dr Franklin would have many remarks to make regarding the Democrats, Obama, and you. None would be flattering.
However, I was not speaking to things you may have imagined or picked up in seance.
It wasn’t lying, fapper. It wasn’tsarcasm, either. Congress took the language out of the bill because they were getting hammered with it in there and people had legitimate concerns over it. Sarah Palin effected policy change as a US citizen. I’d think you and all liberals would be inspired by that.
Wonder what she’ll get done this week.
Sarah Palin writes on her Facebook page and Democrats take out bad language that she expressed concerns over. You sit and call people liars on a blog. Which is the more inspiring story, fafaroo?
It wasn’t lying, fapper.
Yes it was, Dennis. There is not a single thing in the health care reform bill that would have sent government agents knocking on someone’s door to take them away to a “Grandma Perma Sleep” program.
You were corrected on this fact but continued to repeat your mischaracterization of the bill.
Now, you continue to cheer the triumph of that lie.
Do you really want to go through this all again, Dennis?
Oh that? I was just
Jaim can’t complain about paying for Jay Tea’s health carecomplaining about bad legislation that was concerning to seniors through sarcasm, fafaroo. The Perma-sleep program was sarcasm, in a sense, since that word wasn’t in the bill as written.“Sarah Palin effected policy change as a US citizen.”
Hey, I just hear Limbaugh say that … verbatim.
The Perma-sleep program was sarcasm, in a sense, since that word wasn’t in the bill as written.
So you really want to go through this again?
You know, Dennis, you didn’t come off to well the first time around.
Of course, it appears that you are now acknowledging the falsehood of you characterization, admitting that you deliberately distorted the facts of the bill for partisan rhetorical purposes. That’s progress I guess.
So Dennis, was Palin being sarcastic and is your support of Palin just as insincere?
fafaroo, you’ve completely obsessed with this death panels thing. You’ve traded one addiction for another, I’m afraid.
I’m concerned for you.
fafaroo, you’ve completely obsessed with this death panels thing.
Yes, sure, of course. From the guy who went after Jaim in this thread for something he said two weeks ago? Or was it 1.6? Gosh, I hope I got that right. I wouldn’t want you to think I was lying or anything Dennis!
Like I said, I’m glad you finally came around to admitting that your characterization of the health care reform bill was a complete fiction, deliberately constructed for partisan gain.
I wonder if St. Sarah will ever have the honest, courage and integrity that you’ve shown here today, Dennis.
I see Quaker,
You were speaking to the inevitable neccessity of some form of taxation. Your hate rhetoric clouds the issue.
I do not think we need go any farther than his writings to get an idea of what his thoughts would be considering the current Democrats, Obama, and yourself. The quotes in my previous post are sufficient to get the ball rolling. No seances needed, the written record will suffice.
Like I said, I’m glad you finally came around to admitting that your characterization of the health care reform bill was a complete fiction, deliberately constructed for partisan gain.
I wonder if St. Sarah will ever have the honest, courage and integrity that you’ve shown here today, Dennis.
I never said my characterization was a complete fiction, fafaroo. And St. Sarah got more done last week than Obama did, but Obama is off to a good start this week with the elimination of both the Snitch Program and the Spam Email program. Maybe she can do a Y.E. Yang and come back late in the week and beat him at effecting change two weeks in a row.
But tell me, fafaroo, why aren’t you concerned with Obama’s lying about surgeons getting paid $50,000 for an amputation of a diabetic’s leg, when they’d get next to nothing for getting their patients incentivized to lose weight? Or characterizing pediatricians as performing predatory tonsillectomies?
Where’s your outrage at Obama’s lying about healthcare?
Because that is different. Nobody expects the truth from Obama after his long string of outright lies, falsehoods, and broken promises.
I never said my characterization was a complete fiction, fafaroo
ah but Dennis, you told us you were only being sarcastic when you said the bill called for killing old people.
Could you please now point to the specific language in the bill that could be construed to allow “death panels” or for the euthanasia of old people simply because they’re old?
Ah, but fafaroo, could you please point me to where physicians routinely engage in predatory tonsillectomies or entrepreneurial amputations?
Can’t you prove it’s not true, Dennis?
You were wrong about the bill and were given ample evidence and explanation as to why and yet you persisted in spreading, even cheering, such falsehoods.
Now you’re accusing Obama of lying but haven’t offered a single shred of evidence to back up your accusation.
So let’s see it, Dennis. It’s a little odd for someone who’s already on record lying, to start throwing around accusations without proof. Wouldn’t you say?
Your hate rhetoric clouds the issue.
Hate rhetoric? What on earth…?
You like quotations? Try this one…
“But poverty often deprives a man of all spirit and virtue: ’tis hard for an empty bag to stand upright.”
Dennis: And St. Sarah got more done last week than Obama did
Well, of course. It’s always faster to tear something down than to build.
I like the three slogans before it :
Oliver, I suggest you read P. J. O’Rourke’s “Parliament Of Whores,” paying particular attention to the chapter entitled “Would you kill your grandmother to pave I-95?”
At this point I would compromise. How about we just kill P. J. O’Rourke’s grandmother?
Quite an intellectual feat for someone who routinely runs inflammatory and deceptive headlines coupled with flawed logic.
This is coming from a guy whose mantra is “If I don’t see it, it doesn’t exist”. Amazing.
Not one of Reynolds’ students is under any compunction to attend his class, or his school. They are all there because they have chosen to be.
Likewise, you have chosen to remain in this country. No one’s forcing you to say. If you want, you can move to Dubai, pay no taxes, and spend the rest of your days being a Saudi prince’s bitch.
fafaroo, you’ve completely obsessed with this death panels thing. You’ve traded one addiction for another, I’m afraid.
I’m concerned for you.
Hey, he’s not the one that believes that the Sunset Squad is real.
Oh Quaker,
How soon you forget. “Why do our resident wingnuts hate the framers of the Constitution?”
I see. Hate rhetoric. Very clever.
Dennis the cowardly bitch write: “Jaim pays no federal taxes”
Jesus you’re fucking stupid. And wrong. About everything.
But Dennis the cowardly bitch, thanks for reminding us all that Jay Tea is is a fucking hypocrite whose life was saved thanks to the taxes paid by the rest of us.
Jaimes federal tax obligation rests upon his length of unbroken non residence in his native land where he can not find a job. And of course his basic honesty.
Zython perhaps you could refresh my meory regarding “If I don’t see it, it doesn’t exist”. A cite perhaps?
Fafaroo,
Is your position that Barry did not make inflammatory and false claims slurring doctors regarding leg amputations and tonsillectomies?
“Jaimes federal tax obligation rests upon his length of unbroken non residence in his native land where he can not find a job.”
Sort of true.
But sort of wrong as well.
AO, take a nap.
Is your position that Barry did not make inflammatory and false claims slurring doctors regarding leg amputations and tonsillectomies?
No. My position is that neither Dennis nor yourself has provided any evidence to support your claim that Obama said anything “inflammatory and false” about doctors.
If you have the evidence, why don’t you let us all know what it is?
Jaim,
Perhaps the laws have changed since I worked overseas. So do you or do you not pay Federal Taxes?
Fafaroo,
Barry’s words are part of the published common record. It is hard for me to believe you are so uninformed on this issue as not to be aware of that. You appear to be denying what is common knowledge. Either you are uninformed, willfully arguementative, ignorant or some dimwitted combination.
Barry’s words are part of the published common record.
Amused, you seem to be missing part of the equation. Where is the evidence that what he said is “inflammatory and false”?
You can say it’s “common knowledge” all you want but until you present actual evidence supporting you’re claim, it’s meaningless to me.
It appears to be “common knowledge” among the right that the health care bill created “death panels” so please don’t expect me to take you seriously if that’s all you got.
LOL Fafaroo,
You honestly don’t know anything about this do you? Perhaps stepping out of the echo chamber from time to time might broaden your horizons.
Zython perhaps you could refresh my meory regarding “If I don’t see it, it doesn’t exist”. A cite perhaps?
Pretty much everytime you’re confronted here.
Barry’s words are part of the published common record.
Well if it’s common and published, then it shouldn’t be hard to find a source, then. We’re waiting.
Amused 0: Barry’s words are part of the published common record.
Just don’t expect A0 to provide any specifics or links. After all, supporting his points is your job.
Are you guys really so woefully ignorant of the healthcare situation that you require a cite for what is common knowledge. I find it very hard to believe you are not just acting dumb.
Are you guys really so woefully ignorant of the healthcare situation that you require a cite for what is common knowledge.
Amused, if the evidence for your claim that Obama lied about leg amputations and tonsillectomies is such common knowledge, a link to that evidence should be easy to provide.
Certainly, you would save yourself a lot of time by doing that instead doing what you’re doing now.
Tax Highlights for U.S. Citizens and Residents Going Abroad Amount excludable. If your tax home is in a foreign country and you qualify under either the bona fide residence test or physical presence test for the entire tax year, you can exclude up to $82,400 of your foreign income earned during the 2006 year. Beginning in 2007, the $85,700 amount will be adjusted for inflation.
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You said you made $30,000 Jaim. You are well under the $85,700 exclusion amount for foreign earned income. Not even close. You can say you may have paid federal taxes on dividend income or capital gains, but you’d be one of the rare exceptions at that income level to only have sold winners last year when nearly every stockholder last year had stock losses to deduct from gains.
I’m not wrong, Jaim. You’re lying, and Jay Tea doesn’t owe you jack shit. You’re the one who owes him an apology.
I honestly can’t believe you guys are so willfully ignorant about something you take so seriously.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/08/11/obama_doctors_may_choose_amputation_because_of_reimbursement.html
http://www.facs.org/news/obama081209.html
You guys have always seemed rather uninformed about the world as it is but this has to be a record of some sort. How can you possibly hold yourselves up as reasonably well informed. No wonder logic and rational thought seldom makes a dent in your collective myopia.
This country is in worse shape than I thought. Not only is Obama and company willful liars but his followers are third world ignorant.
Statement from the American College of Surgeons Regarding
Recent Comments from President Obama
The American College of Surgeons is deeply disturbed over the uninformed public comments President Obama continues to make about the high-quality care provided by surgeons in the United States. When the President makes statements that are incorrect or not based in fact, we think he does a disservice to the American people at a time when they want clear, understandable facts about health care reform. We want to set the record straight.
Yesterday during a town hall meeting, President Obama got his facts completely wrong. He stated that a surgeon gets paid $50,000 for a leg amputation when, in fact, Medicare pays a surgeon between $740 and $1,140 for a leg amputation. This payment also includes the evaluation of the patient on the day of the operation plus patient follow-up care that is provided for 90 days after the operation. Private insurers pay some variation of the Medicare reimbursement for this service.
Three weeks ago, the President suggested that a surgeon’s decision to remove a child’s tonsils is based on the desire to make a lot of money. That remark was ill-informed and dangerous, and we were dismayed by this characterization of the work surgeons do. Surgeons make decisions about recommending operations based on what’s right for the patient.
We agree with the President that the best thing for patients with diabetes is to manage the disease proactively to avoid the bad consequences that can occur, including blindness, stroke, and amputation. But as is the case for a person who has been treated for cancer and still needs to have a tumor removed, or a person who is in a terrible car crash and needs access to a trauma surgeon, there are times when even a perfectly managed diabetic patient needs a surgeon. The President’s remarks are truly alarming and run the risk of damaging the all-important trust between surgeons and their patients.
We assume that the President made these mistakes unintentionally, but we would urge him to have his facts correct before making another inflammatory and incorrect statement about surgeons and surgical care.
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Obama states that a surgeon gets $50,000 for a leg amputation when at most he gets $1,140. One hell of a whopper by anyone’s standards, least of all you, fafaroo.
Saying a surgeon’s decision to remove a child’s tonsils is based on a desire to make a lot of money is ‘ill-informed and dangerous’ according to the ACS, and and irresponsible and un-presidential remark to make for Obama.
Amazing but not surprising that you’d obsess over the Palin depiction of end-of-life consultations as death panels for two weeks now, but pretend that these irresponsible and factually incorrect fabrications by Obama are a complete non-event.
Dennis,
Are these guys really so ignorant or is this just a ruse to aggrevate. I know education has been dumbed down, that civics class doesn’t exist in a recognizable form, that US History has been coopted by Howard Zinn but can anyone who hangs out on a political junkie site really be so uninformed? It must be true these fools live in an echo chamber and don’t have much to do with real Americans at all. If this is at all typical they are going to have a mighty hard time holding on to the independant swing vote.
I still find it funny that a guy who believed/s the following:
1. “Death Panels”
2. WMDs in Iraq
3. Anything related to the birther movement.
would call OTHER people “uninformed”.
BTW, Dennis, I thought you might want to read this.
It must be true these fools live in an echo chamber and don’t have much to do with real Americans at all.
Again, this is coming from a guy who supports the notion that only those who live in the deep south and the midwest are “real” Americans”. Hypocrisy, thy name is AO.
Dennis, you remain a) a cowardly punk-ass bitch and b) the most ignorant human being I’ve ever had the pleasure to encounter.
Please try and use your brain before telling me how much tax I pay, and to whom.
Zython,
You’re blowing smoke. Much like Obama and his outright lies trying to demonize doctors.
“He stated that a surgeon gets paid $50,000 for a leg amputation when, in fact, Medicare pays a surgeon between $740 and $1,140 for a leg amputation.”
True, but the entire procedure, including hospital stay, physiotherapy, meds, etc costs about 50 grand. A simple error is all.
To be fair, Mr. Obama badly bungled his statement about the money involved in a limb amputation. If he had said that the total cost of the procedure–and all related care–was $50K, he would have been correct.
However, he made it sound as if the surgeon performing the procedure received that amount. Clearly wrong.
As for the charge that he maligned the ethics of hardworking sawbones: hooey! He was in the middle of talking about how to reduce medical costs and asserting, in the argot of an old axiom, that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. He even followed up–directly–with a plain and direct statement that he wasn’t accusing surgeons of any malfeasance.
Saying a surgeon’s decision to remove a child’s tonsils is based on a desire to make a lot of money is ‘ill-informed and dangerous’ according to the ACS, and and irresponsible and un-presidential remark to make for Obama.
You know guys, when you actually have something to back up your claims, I’m not sure why you have to do the little dance Amused felt this situation required. Personally, I’m more inclined to believe that Obama misspoke, ala Quaker’s comment, but that yeah, he was pretty off the mark.
Of course, Dennis and Amused read something more sinister into it. You’re entitled to do that but please don’t come here complaining about lies when you, Dennis, specifically, have pushed and championed the triumph of Sarah Palin’s extraordinary lie about “death panels.”
And please don’t wrap yourselves in the mantle of honorable doctors when you are so willing to believe that doctors would be counseling vulnerable senior citizens to accept euthanasia in order to cut costs. This is exactly the false claim that conservatives have made about Section 1233.
Get off your high horses. You’d have a lot more credibility if you yourselves weren’t involved in pushing lies, as well.
I know how much federal tax a US citizen pays who is living abroad as in your situation who makes $30,000 and is given an $85,700 exemption, Jaim.
And that would be zero.
Nothing wrong with that, those are the IRS rules. Just don’t pretend Jay Tea owes you a debt of gratitude for a hospital stay. Especially one from 15 years ago when you paid no federal tax then, either.
It’s you that’s on the high horse, fafaroo, and you’ve been on it for two weeks now on this one single issue. But you have nothing to say about Obama here other than he ‘misspoke’. Well, isn’t that special. And agreeing with Quaker who always brings in the ‘He was taken out of context’ whine that liberals have to say constantly about Obama’s gaffes. What a standup guy you are, fafaroo. Your sponsor must be quite proud.
It’s you that’s on the high horse, fafaroo, and you’ve been on it for two weeks now on this one single issue.
Dennis, seven minutes before you wrote this, you went after Jaim for something he said in a thread over two weeks ago. I’m beginning to think there are two Dennis’ out there.
How else to explain that someone named Dennis has been pushing lies about health care reform for two weeks now and another person named Dennis is attacking Obama as a liar for making a mistake during a speech.
What a fucking moron you are, Dennis.
Unreal. You of all people want to moralize about hypocrisy, Zython? You race bait blatantly using another blogger’s name like the chickenshit you are, then when exposed for it you let other people here back you up without the courage to tell them it was you. Then when proven guilty you don’t apologize to them for having embarrassed themselves for sticking up for you.
If that’s not the perfect metaphor for liberal hypocrisy here I don’t know what is.
Actually, Jaim’s no taxes example was the perfect metaphor for liberal hypocrisy here….till you just trumped it. So congratulations, Zython, you’re the King of the OW.com liberal hypocrites.
You of all people want to moralize about hypocrisy, Zython?
Okay, now I’m going with schizophrenic.
It keeps coming back up, fafaroo. And you chided me then for not knowing that someone in Jaim’s situation DOES pay federal taxes, when clearly, he does not. You never came back to admit your error. Such is the wont of the high horseman that goes by the name of fafaroo, here.
Are going to back Zython’s race-baiting, fafaroo? Are you okay with that, since it was done to a conservative blogger who he never apologized to even after caught? Or never apologized to you guys for once having stuck up for him. Both Quaker and Jaim said I was making it up about him, then both fled without a word once he was exposed. Is that how you and your sycophants roll?
Then rail for two weeks because you don’t like the terminology Republicans use for Obama and his advisor’s intention of cutting costs on the elderly’s medical procedures in the last years of their lives?
Strange way for you to argue, to be sure.
It keeps coming back up, fafaroo.
Okay. Now I think you’re blacking out, Dennis, or else that’s a pretty pathetic use of the passive voice, there.
Dennis, you brought it up in the thread completely unprovoked:
As for this:
You never came back to admit your error.
WTF are you talking about? You have no idea what Jaim paid in taxes when Jay Tea passed a portion of his health care bill on to US tax payers. You didn’t then and you don’t now.
And, Dennis, Jaim’s personal opinion of who should be grateful to him for what, is just that, his personal opinion.
Whether or not the health care bill allowed for “death panels” is not a matter of personal opinion. It’s factually inaccurate.
You’ve been told this repeatedly and shown exactly why it is inaccurate and yet, you continue to celebrate the triumph of this lie.
Dennis, you’re growing increasingly erratic and unstable. Maybe you should take a break?
Then rail for two weeks because you don’t like the terminology Republicans use for Obama and his advisor’s intention of cutting costs on the elderly’s medical procedures in the last years of their lives?
See, now Dennis, please back this statement up with some kind of actual evidence. Please cite the exact language in the bill that would do this.
Jaim said he was 15 years old then. How many 15 year olds are making over $7,000 in order to be paying federal taxes, fafaroo? Jaim’s lying about that, too. He’s a congenital liar. Do you think someone with his private school education who claims he couldn’t find a job in Bush’s America so he left the country for a $30,000 salary to teach English in a country that places little value on his education would’ve been making over $7,000 when he was 15 years old, fafaroo?
Why do I even ask, of course you do.
Sorry, fafaroo, but what Jaim said wasn’t just a statement of personal opinion. It was definitive, and it was a directive. There was no personal opinion involved. Here’s the quote for your feeble memory:
Jaim: “Jay, considering that I paid for your health-care so that your life could be saved I think you should be more appreciative.”
Omg. I just realized I’m wasting my life commenting here. Thanks, Dennis.
Don’t mention it. You finally called him, didn’t you, fafaroo? I’ve been trying to tell you that for a while now.
Dennis: He stated that a surgeon gets paid $50,000 for a leg amputation when, in fact, Medicare pays a surgeon between $740 and $1,140 for a leg amputation.
Every leg amputation only happens to patients who are covered by Medicare?
This is akin to one person saying a basket of fruit costs $15 and you objecting to that because apples are $3 lb at your local market when you use food stamps.
fafaroo: And please don’t wrap yourselves in the mantle of honorable doctors when you are so willing to believe that doctors would be counseling vulnerable senior citizens to accept euthanasia in order to cut costs.
TFJ to faf.
Quaker in a B: Mr. Obama badly bungled his statement about the money involved in a limb amputation.
Dennis: And agreeing with Quaker who always brings in the ‘He was taken out of context’ whine
wingnut reading comprehension, ladies and gents.
Dennis: You race bait blatantly using another blogger’s name like the chickenshit you are, then when exposed for it you let other people here back you up without the courage to tell them it was you. Then when proven guilty you don’t apologize to them for having embarrassed themselves for sticking up for you.
I missed that. Can you fill me in on what happened?
Dennis: Then rail for two weeks because you don’t like the terminology Republicans use for Obama and his advisor’s intention of cutting costs on the elderly’s medical procedures in the last years of their lives?
Except that wasn’t what they were describing, was it? “We don’t like his cost cutting methods.” would be one thing. “He’s going to be setting up death panels.” is something entirely different and not just a matter of “terminology”. It’s a valid criticism versus a flat outright intentional lie. Not surprised you can’t see that.
And agreeing with Quaker who always brings in the ‘He was taken out of context’ whine that liberals have to say constantly about Obama’s gaffes.
Thanks Sean. That one slipped by me.
Dennis, I know it gives you some satisfaction to imagine that the President was deliberately trying to mislead folks about the amount of money a surgeon gets paid. But he would have to be quite foolish to imagine he would be able to pull the wool over our eyes this brazenly, don’t you think? After all, he can’t even convince people he was born in the USA, amirite?
On a logical planet, bungling is the only explanation that makes sense.
LOL,
“You know guys, when you actually have something to back up your claims, I’m not sure why you have to do the little dance Amused felt this situation required.”
Little dance? As I stated several times I couldn’t believe you guys were so uninformed about the world around you. Obama spreading falshoods and trying to demonize his opponents is his sop.
What’s up with this accusation of Zython having an identity crisis. Why on earth would someone do that in a virtual world of pseudonyms? Why that is almost as foolish as having a fake doctor front and center at a townhall meeting.
I know Ollie loves to bring up the race card but he might be slipping. There was a protest at the NAACP over a black man being beaten at a political rally. I wonder why he doesn’t have a post with the usual inflammatory headline?
Thanks for all those specific, linkable examples and verifiable statistics from reputable sources, AO. I heard that Al Gore said that he invented the Internet and that Global Warming was a hoax. Also.
http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/12/economists-stimulus-working-recovery-in-sight/
Start at about 7:24 pm
You need to take that up with the American College of Surgeons as to why they quoted the Medicare reimbursement, Sean. You seem enterprising enough, do some digging. Bottom line, Obama was talking out of his ass about a subject he is not familiar with, and judging by the lack of awareness by the usual subjects here, the Liberal Media Establishment gave him a free pass on it. Apparently because they were giving Sarah Palin all their available free time because of her description of Obama’s senior cost-cutting measures as death panels. In that regard, it’s understandable you guys completely missed both of these Obama lies.
I am now embarrassed for you, Sean. He called you every name in the book on your disagreements with Sgt. Crowley and the race-baiter professor, and now you suck up to him like he’s handing out free gum at the playground. Is it worth that to get back in his good graces on a liberal blog? Yeesh. DIS-gusting.
I’ve been looking and I don’t see anywhere that Obama or Baghdad Bob Gibbs apologized for those remarks or apologized to the ACS, Quibbie. If it was a case of bungling, seems that would be the right thing to do to set the record straight.
I’ve been looking and I don’t see anywhere that Obama or Baghdad Bob Gibbs apologized for those remarks or apologized to the ACS, Quibbie
Therefore we conclude he was lying? Ipso non sequitur.
LOL,
If this is true you just can’t make this stuff up.
“Goddamnit, I hate this stupid fucking country. I hate the blacks, I hate the queers, I hate the Jews, I hate everything about this fucking place. Osama gave us a gift when he attacked those damned Jew Yorkers. May he forever be known as a hero.“
Beth of Blue Star Chronicles was the blogger he posed as.
“Lesley, I know this is a little after the fact, but I just read about them blaming you for that fake comment. I have taken the responsabily for it, as I was the one that posted it. I’m sorry I didn’t do so sooner.”
Wow that is so funny, a leftist acting like a leftist .
Any blowback from the other members of the annoyed socialist club?
Indeed, Are you so foolish as to suppose I am making things up after just punking the obviously uninformed liberal set here? Just a little tidbit FYI, when I say something I can back it up.
Which did you miss Dennis, the fake doctor set up at a town hall meeting or the protest at NAACP over Gladney being called a nigger and beaten by union enforcers?
Zython,
To think I said you were blowing smoke. What say you to these accusations that threaten your good name?
How do you conclude I was lying about anything I said, Quibbie. Lying accusation for thee, but not for me?
How do you conclude Obama merely bungled these two falsehoods?
No one in the Liberal Media Establishment called him on either one of these, so your logic that he would have to be quite foolish to imagine he would be able to pull the wool over our eyes this brazenly, don’t you think?, hardly makes sense. Like I said, even you guys weren’t aware that he even said these things. Of course he knew he could pull the wool over our eyes. He pulled it over yours, didn’t he? Even still you defend him as having made a very innocent mistake.
You’re the perfect constituent for him.
Again LOL,
Quaker he can’t convince people he was born in the US because his grandmother alledgedly said he was born in Kenya and he won’t come across with the actual paperwork to disprove it. Obama is on record for a long string of falsehoods and lies. He has a credibility problem with the truth.
How do you conclude I was lying about anything I said, Quibbie.
I don’t. I do, however, conclude that you have a reading difficulty.
How do you conclude Obama merely bungled these two falsehoods?
Already explained. Again, I suspect some reading difficulty.
I must’ve missed both of those, AO. I was out of town for a couple days last week, maybe everyone here spoke out in their usual loud voices and I missed it then, but I’m not sure.
And yes, that very much was Zython that did that. There is no doubt. Everyone that chided me for not having any proof suddenly clammed up when I gave it to them. And Zython didn’t have the balls to apologize to them for having stuck up for his lame ass.
Perhaps you are right Quaker, there may have been a glitch with the teleprompter.:)
He pulled it over yours, didn’t he?
No, thanks to you.
Even still you defend him as having made a very innocent mistake.
No, I merely fail to attribute to him the worst possible motive.
And yes, that very much was Zython that did that. There is no doubt.
From this episode, Dennis has obtained a convenient, all-purpose rebuttal to every possible argument on any given subject.
Please allow me to suggest a time-saving measure for you Dennis. Henceforth, “Jaim lives overseas and therefore hates America” will be a “#17.” Instead of wasting all those precious pixels, you can just say “#17″ and we’ll know what you mean. Also “Zython once wrote a very naughty and ill-considered fake comment at another blog” will be a “#23″.
That ought to save all of us some time.
But you did with Sarah Palin. And you did with me, too. Almost two weeks now. That’s the point. Fake outrage. Call it false equivalency, but that’s what it is with all of you guys here…feigned indignation. You even had nothing to say about Zython being the scuzz bucket that he is after you asked for verification.
But you did with Sarah Palin. And you did with me, too.
1) Sarah? What motive did I attribute.
2) You? At the outset, I said you repeated a lie. That attributes no motive at all.
You even had nothing to say about Zython being the scuzz bucket that he is after you asked for verification.
Finally, you got one right. I did indeed have nothing more to say.
But you did with Sarah Palin. And you did with me, too. Almost two weeks now. That’s the point.
Now I’m confused. Is it now your contention that we should have assumed that you were merely misstating the contents of the bill for two solid weeks?
Fine, but #17 will be that Jaim left this country because he couldn’t find a job in Bush’s economy, and now he constantly bashes 50% of this country’s citizens who do more to better America than he does. Will you write that down and commit it to memory so you’ll know exactly what the #17 special is when I mention it?
He race-baited, Quibbie. It was terrible. You guys act like those sorts of things never happen, and now you proof of one of your own being guilty of it.
Naughty and ill-considered fake comment. That’s all you have to say? No, that one doesn’t deserve a number assigned to it.
Naughty and ill-considered fake comment. That’s all you have to say?
What would you have me write about it, Dennis?
LOL,
Zython and Jaim, there’s a pair to draw to.
Gladney http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/politics/story/BA43E58105D3FA408625761500818222?OpenDocument
notice the bullshit remark from the NAACP
From the proud onetime Republic of Texas
http://lonestartimes.com/2009/08/13/obama-camp-plants-fake-doc-che-fan-at-jackson-lee-forum/
Nic pic of the guy who lied about amputations too
Not on topic but raises the possibility that the Republic might be saved without the need for insurrection. http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/52602
When a political party loses the swing they lose
Here’s one for Zython http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,539445,00.html?test=latestnews
Now the bell curve affects both sides of the political spectrum but somehow it doesn’t apply to coverage on the national news. Perhaps a warp in the time space continuum. Enjoy.
Quaker,
I love it.
“… it all depends on the meaning of what “is” is.”
Bill Clinton
Did you learn from the disbarred lawyer or did you teach him? Either way you’re good at it.
I was saving that last one for Zython, AO, for the next time he pops off about something idiotic like he loves to do, just to let him know that what he did was a prosecutable offense. But I guess now’s just as good a time as any to break the word to him.
“Just don’t pretend Jay Tea owes you a debt of gratitude for a hospital stay.’
Fine, somebody paid the taxes to help out a person in need. That is the point, after all. That’s how it works. Look over here.
To think I said you were blowing smoke. What say you to these accusations that threaten your good name?
1. All he has is circumstantial evidence, and no rock-hard proof.
2. Has Dennis EVER been right about ANYTHING?
3. Even if I did, which I’m not saying I did, I would still be a FAR better person than either you or Dennis, what with having the blood of hundreds of thousands on your hands.
4. IOKIYAR?
LOL Zython,
That’s not vary convincing. Is it your position that the post on another blog
““Lesley, I know this is a little after the fact, but I just read about them blaming you for that fake comment. I have taken the responsabily for it, as I was the one that posted it. I’m sorry I didn’t do so sooner.””
was not posted by yourself?
I’m willing to give you the chance to redeem yourself, Is it your position that the post on another blog similar to or perhaps exactly
““Goddamnit, I hate this stupid fucking country. I hate the blacks, I hate the queers, I hate the Jews, I hate everything about this fucking place. Osama gave us a gift when he attacked those damned Jew Yorkers. May he forever be known as a hero.“”
was not posted by yourself.
You are on your honor here, cross your heart and hope to die, on my mother’s soul, the life of my child or wife style honor.
What say you Zython?
While the possibility exists that you may be a better person than me, I doubt it. But the only way that could even be remotely possible is if in truth you did not make those posts. Realize it is not your answer that gives you an out, but what actually happened.
Again, what say you Zython?
If you did do that you are a liar, man of low morals and scruples, who is not to be trusted, in short a lowlife.
That is a direct challenge to your honor and manhood. All of this hinges upon what your actions actually were. If you did not do this it is all moot.
Once more Zython, What say you?
If you did do that you are a liar, man of low morals and scruples, who is not to be trusted, in short a lowlife.
That is a direct challenge to your honor and manhood.
Pistols at dawn, Mr. O?
I hate getting up and being somewhere real early in the morning, I’m more of a high noon kind of guy.
Looks like AO is boarding the stalker train.
If you did do that you are a liar, man of low morals and scruples, who is not to be trusted, in short a lowlife.
Nevermind Dennis scaring his own mother-in-law with lies to score cheap political points. Nevermind yo momma bragging about tax evasion. Nevermind Gorgon threatening a military coup. Nevermind everything Frank has ever said. Nevermind mind everything you cheerleaded from 2000-2008, I may or may not have made a bad post and hurt someone’s fee-fees on the internet, so that makes me guilty of 1st degree murder. Your moral compass is that of a madman, AO.
I am not obliged to answer your questions. If you want to prove that that was me SO badly, get some rock-hard evidence, IP addresses maybe.
I have nothing more to say on the subject except that you have helped kill people. I have not. It’s as simple as that.
LOL Zython,
The stalker train, what pray tell might that be? Certainly you don’t mean Quaker’s jest of pistols at dawn? You have nothing to prove to me, you already have by your actions in your last post. I was unaware of the hundreds of thousands of people I helped kill. I certainly must be more careful. But mass homicide aside, I will get great pleasure in pointing out your untrustworthiness in the future. You have the power to put a stop to it at anytime. Just answer the question on your honor, mother’s soul, child’s life etc.
You have the power to put a stop to it at anytime. Just answer the question on your honor, mother’s soul, child’s life etc.
Why? You obviously don’t care what I have to say. You only hear what you want to hear. The fact that you took Dennis’s unsourced, unverified screed at face value is proof enough of that.
Dennis, it’s honestly scary how fucking stupid you are.
I pray for your daughters. They must be miserable having to deal with you every day of their sad lives.
Why is it so shocking that a 15 year-old makes money? Ever heard of a part-time job before?
Just so sad and pathetic, wallowing in a sea of ignorance.
I pray for your daughters. They must be miserable having to deal with you every day of their sad lives.
He has children? Oh dear GOD!
Whatever Zython,
If I had been accused of such a thing I’d call bullshit not hide behind “It’s only circumstantial evidence” “You can’t prove it” I found the whole thing slightly unbelievable, most people wouldn’t stoop that low. I gave you an easy way to restore your tarnished reputation. Ommission can have as much meaning as commission. Have a (low)life.
If I had been accused of such a thing I’d call bullshit not hide behind “It’s only circumstantial evidence” “You can’t prove it”
You know just as well as I do that you would’ve come up with some BS about how I wasn’t “proving otherwise” or some crap like that.
I found the whole thing slightly unbelievable, most people wouldn’t stoop that low.
Of course, if they’re a Republican, you don’t care, right?
I was unaware of the hundreds of thousands of people I helped kill.
If you actually read my earlier posts, you would know what I’m talking about.
Amused Observer, it is Zython, I am sure of it. Everything down the last detail has his DNA on it from the posts at that website. Every last nuance to the way he posts here are identical. I posted one blog post of his on that thread where he takes every sentence one-by-one and italicizes the quote from the person he is arguing with and then gives a one-liner smart-ass reply, exactly like he does here. Also his signature line, ‘Why do you hate America’. If you’d like, I can provide more links, but there is no doubt it’s him.
You’ll notice that several people here who came to his defense have not one word of rebuttal, not even Jaim, who did try feebly to defend him, but chickened out when I offered to make a wager with him that it was our Zython in question.
Jaim, do you know how much income a fifteen year old needs to clear in order to pay federal taxes? Or how much you needed to make 15 years ago as a 15 year old to pay federal? I’ve done my 19 yr old daughter’s taxes the last 3 years and she’s never come close. You didn’t pay federal taxes as a fifteen year old. If you did, state it. If you didn’t, and it’s highly unlikely you did, then you own Jay Tea an apology for claiming you paid for his hospital stay.
Mighty big of you to tell me I’m ignorant, but you’re woefully short on details as to how I’m wrong.
I am sure of it.
This is probably the best piece of evidence that proves my innocence.
AO, here’s another link…
http://www.lindasog.com/archives/2007/09/love_notes_from_the_left_1.html
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Listen. I don’t want Lesley to be taking the blame for this. I was the one that posted that comment. I was TRYING to throw beth’s whole “fake but accurate” thing back at her. However, it seems that neither you nor her did or do get the point of that. However, as your friend, beth so elloquently put it:
“So you are the arbiter of what is ‘accurate’?”
So tell me, where do you get off freely passing libel against Code Pink, but screech to the high heavens when it’s done against you? THAT is dishing it out, but not being able to take it
Posted by: Zython at September 27, 2007 11:41 PM
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Notice how it corresponds to the exact blog post above here that Zython posted in his defense (his post above at 6:40, the #4 item he links with the caption ‘IOKIYAR’). It was about beth at Blue Star Chronicle’s article that Zython above had the issue with, that beth and LindaSOG had posted a fake picture of Code Pink members, that got Zython here all riled up.
Whatever. Have fun on your little crusade. Whatever you need to distract your mind from the dark abyss that is your life.
“I’ve done my 19 yr old daughter’s taxes the last 3 years and she’s never come close.”
You’re the most fuck-witted internet detective I’ve ever met.
Here’s a hint, moron: Not everybody lives the sad and pathetic life that you and your family do.
You’re dumb, Dennis. You are of a limited level of mental acuity. And it’s hilarious to keep watching you flail and make absolutely false statements about everything.
No wonder you bitched out and refused to face me like a man. I doubt you could find Dulles Airport without calling a cab.
Actually, dialing a phone-number would present significant challenges to your child-like intellect too.
It was just a simple googling of your name. That and the fact you’ve referenced Sadly, No! here before too. It’s one thing to be a sock-puppet, Zython, it’s quite another to write horribly racist language and pretend you’re someone else in order to implicate them. You’re fortunate she didn’t prosecute.
And you obviously have learned nothing from it. You bizarrely deny it while at the same time you attempt to defend it.
And you obviously have learned nothing from it. You bizarrely deny it while at the same time you attempt to defend it.
Oh, so then there are more examples?
Jaim- back to you.
Here’s a 1994 1040 EZ form. Pretty simple form. Your deduction that year was $3,800 as a single with you dad claiming you as a dependent. Even if you cleared $5,000, a pretty hefty amount for a fifteen year old working part-time while attending a private school…unlikely as that possibility was then, your federal tax per the tables would have been $178. The odds you made anywhere close to $5,000 are miniscule. You paid no federal taxes then, as now.
You lied to Jay Tea when you told him you paid for his health care. Even figuratively. You’re not quite as bad as Zython far as I can tell, but you’re damn close.
Um, you’re wrong little Dennis.
Honestly, are you capable of opening your mouth or typing something that isn’t absolutely fucking wrong? Do you have access to my tax forms? Do you even know who I lived with back then? Do you have a fucking clue about anything in your sad, desperate, failed life?
Please stop making shit up and thinking you’ve “figured me out,” or anyone else for that matter you miserable little bitch.
Dennis: I am now embarrassed for you, Sean. He called you every name in the book on your disagreements with Sgt. Crowley and the race-baiter professor, and now you suck up to him
So because I’ve had a disagreement with a person in one place I’m forever banned from ever acknowledging a place where we do agree?
You’re saying I have to, for the rest of time, never ever agree with someone I’ve had a disagreement with on one topic. And if I do, it’s clearly only because I’m sucking up, not because this particular different topic is one on which I actually do agree with them. You want me to deny reality because it’s more important to hold a grudge.
** WINGNUT MATURITY, LADIES AND GENTS **
Amused 0: he can’t convince people he was born in the US
And we can’t convince 20% of the people that men walked on the moon.
Some people just won’t accept reality no matter how hard you try, no matter how obvious it is.
The fault for this does not lie with the person on the side of reality.
No, not at all, Sean. But yours was just about one of the most clear-cut, butt-kissing suck-ups on the blogs that I’ve ever witnessed. It’d be one thing if you just threw in a couple jabs, but you’ve been following him just aboout every time he’s brought up the death panels thing for the last two weeks. Good for you if you really are that passionate about it and you think I’ve done something that hundreds of people were swayed into hysteria by what I wrote like it obviously was with fafaroo, but I just don’t think that was the case with you.
The ‘TFJ, fafaroo’ was clearly a request for getting your street cred back here.
Dennis: No, not at all, Sean. But yours was just about one of the most clear-cut, butt-kissing suck-ups on the blogs that I’ve ever witnessed.
This from someone who’s repeatedly stated Obama was going to make forced euthanasia of everyone in the AARP the law of the land. So your view of things isn’t really something anyone should rely on.
The ‘TFJ, fafaroo’ was clearly a request for getting your street cred back here.
It was clearly a response to him pointing out your gross hypocrisy which, rather than acknowledge, you’ve tried to derail into a “Sean’s a suck up OMG!” discussion.
Go away, Dennis. Come back when you’re ready to talk with the adults.