“I Support The NHS 100%”
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The leader of the British Conservative party David Cameron follows Prime Minister Gordon Brown in bipartisan British support for their NHS.
Perhaps those (American) conservative fantasies about dead people in the streets of London, and old people being turned into mulch in Slough might not match up to reality.
Just maybe.
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BREAKING NEWS: BRITISH POLITICIAN STICKS UP FOR BRITISH INSTITUTION IN THE BRITISH PRESS!!!!
I know you’d love to insinuate that the NHS is universally beloved by all Brits great and small, Tory and Labour. But that just ain’t so.
Yeah Oliver, don’t you understand that some folks disliking a system that everyone can partake in is exactly the same thing as a system that leaves tens of millions of people without care and is likely to bankrupt you anyway? Yeesh, when will you learn…
So does Ms Brickell, one of the woman used/duped by the CPR –
“My point was not that the NHS shouldn’t exist or that it was a bad thing. I think that our health service is not perfect but to get better it needs more public money, not less. I didn’t realise it was having such a political impact.”
The other woman, Ms. Spall said –
“It has been a bit of a nightmare. It was a real test of my naivety. I am a very trusting person and for me it has been a big lesson. I feel like I was duped.”
Save said – “I know you’d love to insinuate that the NHS is universally beloved by all Brits great and small, Tory and Labour.”
The thing with you is that you lie. I don’t think that anybody who lives with a public health care systems won’t admit that problems exist. In fact, right as we speak, my Provincial government is cutting back on certain services. Do I like it, no. But here there’s a language of opposition that could mitigate the cut backs. We have choices, we also have private insurance options. You need to simply the debate to such a basic level as to make it all seem silly and trivial, when it’s not. You have such a blind trust in health insurance corporations that you can’t even muster up one critical comment about your own system, when in fact the WHOLE WORLD knows it’s less than perfect. Try honesty, it might work.
“David Cameron’s not a real conservative”-con trolls
Barack Obama supports Social Security news at 11!
From the link SaveFarris provided (emphasis added):
But on Friday evening fellow Tory MEP Roger Helmer declared: “If the Americans came to me and said would you recommend us taking up a system just like the British NHS? I think I would have to say no.”
Interviewed on BBC Radio 4′s PM programme, Mr Helmer said: “Now we all love the NHS, but I think we all know in our hearts that it is no longer the envy of the world.”
SF do you ever a) read beyond the headlines and/or b) think before you post?
“David Cameron’s not a real conservative”
The sad fact is that most “conservatives” in other civilized countries would be described as left-leaning in this one.
Wonder if Cameron will have to apologize to Limbaugh?
…and all the while not acknowledging the lies of the right, the outright falsehoods that prompted British politicians to state their support for the NHS.
C’mon savefarris, be a man, own up to the lies of the right. The lying liars lied about the NHS, as they have lied about so much else. And your response? “Oh, they would say that, wouldn’t they”. Is there anything that would convince of the popularity and utility of public systems? Anything that would have you begrudingly admit “ok, they may not be a horror, I just would prefer something else”. Of course there isn’t. It offends your black and white ideology. They are an offense against Ayn Rand. Can’t have your belief system shown to be imperfect.
“Wonder if Cameron will have to apologize to Limbaugh?”
Funniest line of the work week.
British Conservatism and American Conservatism is not the same, be it in a political, moral or ideological sense. A difference that I am eternally grateful for.
Funny how the only people who rail against the government health plans of other countries are wing-nuts.
I live in one, actually, and while it isn’t perfect, it’s much better than the American system. Everybody (including me) pays into it every month, and you’re covered. Period. You still have to pay for medication or treatment, but it’s easily affordable. Private clinics exist for lots of things like plastic surgery (i.e., non-essential medical work) and if you have the money, you’re welcome to do it.
I also work with Canadians and Brits. Their mixture of laughter and sadness at the plight of an American system where even if you do have private insurance you still go bankrupt is pretty remarkable.
At the end of the day, this is about whether or not America is going to join other first-world countries or remain a backwater.
“I wouldn’t be alive today but for the NHS” Stephen Hawking the other day.
That said, I’d rather be turned into mulch than live in Slough.
John Betjemen had the right idea about that place IMO, and I always associate the name with John Bunyan’s “Slough of Despond” in “The Pilgrims Progress”
British Conservatism and American Conservatism is not the same, be it in a political, moral or ideological sense. A difference that I am eternally grateful for.
Yep. British Conservatism is best exemplified by Churchill; American Conservatism is best exemplified by Limbaugh and Rove.
‘I know you’d love to insinuate that the NHS is universally beloved by all Brits great and small, Tory and Labour. But that just ain’t so.’
Perhaps you can name a single government entity anywhere on Earth that is UNIVERSALLY beloved?
Just because there are critics doesn’t mean a majority don’t support it.
How about a math game? Take the number of Brits who are consistently dissatisfied with the NHS. Then take the number of Americans dissatisfied with the U.S. system – factor in dissatisfied people with insurance too. Guess which number is bigger? If percentages are your thing, do that as well. What is the logic behind saying the opinion of one dissatisfied Brit is more valuable than several dozen dissatisfied Americans?
I know you’d love to insinuate that the NHS is universally beloved by all Brits great and small, Tory and Labour. But that just ain’t so.
They are laughing at you tools, Farris. Just so you know.
KXB,
I’ll take that bet.
Try honesty, it might work.
Let him ease into it, Mr. Bacon. Too much too soon could give him the bends.
I’ll take that bet.
Most Americans satisfied with their health care. When they have it. News at 11.
Okay, Farris, I read your link until I got to the second paragraph:
But that won’t stop President Barack Obama, his fellow socialists on Capitol Hill, and their allies in the “mainstream” media from fanning the flames for socialized health care.
which kind of told me all I needed to know about what would follow.
Then I went to the CNN poll itself, where I found that
But satisfaction drops to 52 percent when it comes to the amount people pay for their health care, and more than three out of four are dissatisfied with the total cost of health care in the United States.
So, not quite as black and white as the editorial writer would have us believe.
And as for his experience of waiting hours in a British hospital to be treated for food poisoning, are you trying to tell us that no one ever waits hours for treatment at an American hospital? Because I can tell you from first hand experience, that simply ain’t so.
Mike, Churchill was a lot more to the left than our supposed ‘left wing’ party in the UK these days. Before Tony Blair became PM, there was a huge cull of people from the left.
Free tylenol? Who’s your GP? I’ll grant you that the Mayo is a primo cancer clinic and some rich Canucks have been known to pursue treatment there, but on the whole there is not a damn thing wrong with northern medical care. I’m happy to pay into the system regardless of whether I need it this year or not, and I’m glad that doing so helps all of us get the care needed. Compassion folks, it does a body good.
Quaker- you expected SaveFarris to read two paragraphs? You’re silly.
best part of the arguement against is that they all get to slam other countries.
We are great in our own way but not in every way.
Get with it or Find a well and fall down it.
I’ll grant you that the Mayo is a primo cancer clinic and some rich Canucks have been known to pursue treatment there
Not to mention the fact that not everyone in the U.S. has access to the Mayo – my insurance company certainly won’t pay for an out-of-state provider. So regardless of whether one is Canadian or American, access to the Mayo often depends on personal wealth.
I think the WHO rankings show the truth.
Here’s a sample, usual.
Mike, Churchill was a lot more to the left than our supposed ‘left wing’ party in the UK these days. Before Tony Blair became PM, there was a huge cull of people from the left.
Oh, I know. He’d be a left-leaning Democrat were he a U.S. politician today.
Poor SaveFarris and company–they seem to think that if people complain about something, it automatically makes them hate and revile it, too.
Another horror story from the socialist health care death camps for the elderly up in Canada. A dear friend has been diagnosed with cancer. In her mid seventies, off to see an oncologist in less than two weeks. Tumor was removed IMMEDIATELY. Treatment will be discussed at the meeting. I don’t think euthanasia is on the agenda. Her husband, also mid 70s, just got his SECOND knee replaced. It’s terrible here, they’re forcing health care on us, please help us.
usual suspect: look at the disease specific survival rates in countries with single payer systems and compare to the US.
zython: Here’s a sample, usual.
Noble effort, Zython, but our friend u.s. has had that and other links thrown at him multiple times on these threads. He never responds to them, but instead disappears and resurfaces a few days or weeks later and repeats the same nonsense argument verbatim.
“He never responds to them, but instead disappears and resurfaces a few days or weeks later and repeats the same nonsense argument verbatim.”
Like a TM mantra.
“And as for his experience of waiting hours in a British hospital to be treated for food poisoning, are you trying to tell us that no one ever waits hours for treatment at an American hospital? Because I can tell you from first hand experience, that simply ain’t so.”
I had a total bowel obstruction from adhesions. That’s the kind of thing where if it bursts, you probably won’t survive. Peritonitis, etc.
It’s also extremely agonizingly painful. I knew a woman who’d experienced the same thing, was a mother, and she said she’d rather go through 100 more childbirths than experience the bowel obstruction pain again.
I am American. I was fully insured. Went into the hospital at about 7:30 PM, screaming in agony.
I wasn’t seen by a doctor until about 11 am the following morning, there were none available.
I spent the night hollering and moaning in agony. They couldn’t even give me pain killers until I was seen by a doc… so I spent the worst night of my life, in agony and knowing I was in serious trouble, with no concern or help. (I was hit by a truck and had a skull fracture and shattered pelvis and internal injuries, so when I say that this night was the worst in my life, I am not comparing it to a splinter.)
As I lay there screaming, nurses periodically came in to ask me to be quiet, I was keeping other patients awake. The poor guy in the room with me felt horrible, spent the whole night reassuring me as I lay there groaning.
At least late in the morning I got pain meds, Demerol (morphine.)
Still, it was TWO DAYS before I got the test that saw that I was in imminent danger – the radiologist was shocked, grabbed his assistant and told her not to leave my side, and he rushed out of the room. In 15 minutes I was in surgery.
So… waiting over 12 hours in agony before seeing a doc and getting pain killers, waiting over 2 days before the test that caught the life-threatening condition that could have killed me all the time I was waiting and screaming.
Some conservative want to tell me how the US system is so great, how waiting isn’t a problem?
For the most expensive health care system in the world our health statistics are approaching developing nation status. Or maybe we’ve achieved that already, I dunno. It’s the best gol dang health care system in the world!
It’s the best gol dang health care system in the world!
Damn right it is! Best healthcare in the world no matter what those terrorist leftist socialist organizations tell you!
USA! USA! USA!
For the record — us Brits are laughing at you Yanks when shit like this is made known to us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c-JEx-Kfvc
jeeeeezass fucking christallmighty.
wot a laffingstock your nation is — those of you who aren’t mental need to get a grip of these douchebags and throw them all into a sewer quick. And lock them in there.
Just saying like.
…and from what I hear, Canadians are equally baffled and appalled.
We are, gumby. We are.