They’re just crazy enough to say it out loud.

For all we know John Cornyn may be a guy on FreeRepublic but he’s also a US Senator from Texas. Is that legit or do you want to see his birth certificate?

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/state/stories/DN-cornynflag_06nat.ART.State.Edition1.4bb4d44.html

Farris, would you share with Jay, please?

No, Farris, it gets a pass from me because it is nowhere NEAR as scary as you make it out to be.

Whew. Thanks for that.

Wow, the Iraq war was NOT a serious policy concern. Treatment of detainees was NOT a serious policy concern.

Thank YOU, Jay.

Well, lessee. The protesters from the right side aren’t in a chain-link dog pen a block and a half away.

If I was to go by what I see in the media, that’s what I would gather.

Fixed, just to be clear.

It was not “Tell us which of your friends and neighbors are saying bad things about us so we can stop them” which would be as objectionableas herding citizens into “free speech” zones. (Which is objectionable, Farris. In case you didnt’ know that.) It was, instead, “Tell us what you’re hearing and we’ll set the record straight.”

One is “Give us names because we’re going to shut down dissent”. The other is “We don’t care who you’re talking to, but we’re going to counter the lies they gave you”.

Can you really not see the difference?

You’re changing the subject. I was asking about your opinion on whether it is acceptable to threaten the life of the President. Your comments indicate that you do think it is OK because people threatened Bush, too), which you seem committed to notand you want me to comment on something else that Oliver said that you object to.

OK, fine. I’ll bite. If I answer your question will you answer mine?

No, the actions of an individual should not necessarily be taken as representative of an entire group. However when the elected leaders of a group don’t object to the actions/ideas/views of that fringe,, when they actually in fact, embrace and promote those views (just one example: see John Campbell) it is reasonable to conclude that the fringe views are actually not fringe, but central beliefs of the group. That the “fringe” is, in fact, representative of the group.

Get the Republicans in Congress to stand up, as a group, and denounce the birthers and the shout-’em-down tactics that prevent others from exercising their First Amendment rights and THEN I’ll whole-heartedly join you in announcing that the actions of a few don’t represent the views of the Republican party.

Now, Jay. Is it ever acceptable to threaten the life of the President and his family?

Joining Jay with the rational that threatening the President is OK because people did it to Bush, too?

You created an atmosphere. You reap what you sow.

And that your standard is “no worse than the other guys”?

How admirable of you.

Show me sources, or I call bullshit. LEGIT sources.
“Sammon suggests existence of White House “enemies list,” which could lead to “turning the IRS loose” on those on it”
“Beck calls flag@whitehouse.gov an “enemies list”"

Why do they need forwarded emails and names?
My guess is, especially with regard to this issue, its not exactly the tech savvy folks who join message boards and the like. Plus, forwarding an email is the easiest thing in the world.

You’re lying.
Turn on a TV. Watch one of these town halls. Quit lying to yourself. Senators and Reps are being shouted down, barely being allowed to get their point of view and justification for why they support the bills across. That’s not an open exchange of ideas. And you know it, yet insist on pretending that it isn’t so.

Bwahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa……….hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa…

Whew. Thanks for that.

Glenn Beck?

You mean the Glenn Beck who had people from ‘Popular Mechanics’ on his show to help debunk the notion?

Keep trying Oliver.

No, what conservatives have said is Evil Obama is putting them on an enemies list.

Show me sources, or I call bullshit. LEGIT sources. Not a guy on FreeRepublic. Because if you pull that nonsense, any time I say “Democrats said” I’ll just lead you over to Democratic Underground for “proof.”

Even what you’re saying here is nonsense hyperbole about “storing in a databse”. You can’t help yourself!

Ummm…you do realize that the White House, under the law is obligated to keep any communications it receives? But at the same time, the White House is also prohibited from collecting such data. That’s not “hyperbole” Oliver. It’s reality. Question: Why do they need forwarded emails and names? Why not created a bulletin board of some kind where somebody posts what they’ve been told is “fishy.” Again, if the Bush administration had done something like this, it would have set the interwebs on fire with left wing rage.

The vast majority of these town halls aren’t cons respectfully saying they disagree with Dems. It is hooting and hollering, not allowing people to speak, hanging people in effigy, screaming about socialism and communism.

That’s a lie.

Plain and simple.

You’re lying.

The White House stereo doesn’t pick up WMAL? The dish doesn’t pick up Fox News? Obama can’t afford a Google subscription?

Keeping up with the “latest in dis-information” isn’t hard. He didn’t set this up so you could report some outrage you saw on Hannity or in the New York Post. This was to report on conversations with private citizens. You can’t get more Brownshirt than that. And that gets a pass from you because IOKIYAD.

nobody has said anything about FEMA death camps
Glenn Beck? You keep saying these conspiracy theories are on the fringe. They aren’t. They are mainstream conservative thought.

The REALITY is that conservatives have said is they don’t like the idea of the White House collecting data and information on people who disagree with them and storing in a database somewhere.
No, what conservatives have said is Evil Obama is putting them on an enemies list. Even what you’re saying here is nonsense hyperbole about “storing in a databse”. You can’t help yourself!

But you put forth the bullshit argument that they’re ALL like that.
The vast majority of these town halls aren’t cons respectfully saying they disagree with Dems. It is hooting and hollering, not allowing people to speak, hanging people in effigy, screaming about socialism and communism. You would rather that not be the dominant message the right is sending out, but the reality is that is exactly what it is. Your side isn’t interested in a rational discussion on these issues in the least. They’ve gone into these meetings wailing about how Obama is destroying America, and bringing in the socialism.

But that’s not what I did Sean. I am merely making a clear point that if these instances are indicative of ALL Republicans and conservatives, then the same logic must hold true for ALL Democrats and liberals. If somebody is not going to agree to that kind of logic, then it just means they’re full of a huge steaming pile of bullshit.

So Sean, is it acceptable to say that one person’s actions and the mindset behind that is indicative of all others? If so, why is it acceptable for one political party, but not the other?

The right has been going on for months now about President Obama being a threat to America. I thought the “he hates America” thing would end with the campaign, but obviously not. The right has pushed this idea that somehow Obama being president upsets the natural order of things, and there are some crazies out there who are going to take that to heart, and you guys will own it.

And how is this different from the way the left treated President Bush? It’s funny, but if your concern is about people saying the President of the United States “hates America” and other assorted nonsense, I would think you’d speak out against that. But you never did. In fact, you joined the chorus of that nonsense. So now you see it happening to your guy and suddenly you’re like, “OMG!!”

Thanks for engaging in exactly the brand of bullshit I’ve been talking about. The White House said, hey do you have any bullshit people have been sending around? Send it to us and we’ll set you straight.

Dude, you are so full of it is coming out of your ears. If the Bush administration had done something like this you and every other liberal blogger in the world along with the media would have CRAPPED THEIR PANTS. Now you shrug your shoulders. You don’t even have the ACLU on your side on this one.

Cons turned this into a doubleplus secret White House snitch site so Obama can can send you to a FEMA death camp.

Uh, nobody has said anything about FEMA death camps. This is what I am talking about. You probably scoured the Internet and found some anonymous nutcase somewhere who said something like this and you take it and apply it to ALL conservatives and Republicans. The REALITY is that conservatives have said is they don’t like the idea of the White House collecting data and information on people who disagree with them and storing in a database somewhere.

Yes, Jay, yelling at members of congress and not allowing them to speak at a town hall meeting, bringing guns to presidential protests, those are behaviors that an un-American mob traffics in

Here we go. Once again, a few examples encompasses all. There have been far more town hall meetings where the tone has been challenging, but still respectful than those where protesters were merely shouting the entire time. But you put forth the bullshit argument that they’re ALL like that. Of course. That’s how you roll.

And then a man:

A. Exercising his rights under the law and the constitution

and
B. Not threatening anybody

Is “un-American.”

Un-frigging real is your state of mind dude. Really.

No you wouldn’t.

Wow, it’s almost like Bill Clinton was never President and never endured threats and vitriol from the extreme right wing.

I’ve heard a lot of conservatives, on the radio, on TV, on blogs, tell their audiences that Obama is going to destroy America as we know it and take away all our liberties.

As an avowed proponent of extremism in defense of liberty, Jay, I’m wondering what your response to that is.

I wonder what you think of the White House asking Americans to snitch on other Americans and send them emails and examples of people engaging in “misinformation”
Thanks for engaging in exactly the brand of bullshit I’ve been talking about. The White House said, hey do you have any bullshit people have been sending around? Send it to us and we’ll set you straight. Cons turned this into a doubleplus secret White House snitch site so Obama can can send you to a FEMA death camp. Again, thanks for proving my point.

they are sending emails and making videos accusing people of exercising their first amendment rights of being part of a “mob” and calling them “un-American.”
Yes, Jay, yelling at members of congress and not allowing them to speak at a town hall meeting, bringing guns to presidential protests, those are behaviors that an un-American mob traffics in.

And you keep defending it.