’)The Secret Service is investigating a man who authorities said held a sign reading ‘Death to Obama’ outside a town hall meeting on health-care reform in western Maryland.
The sign also read, ‘Death to Michelle and her two stupid kids,’ referring to the first name of President Barack Obama’s wife, said Washington County Sheriff’s Capt. Peter Lazich.”
wow, hope the fucker is locked up for some time.
of course if Dennis gets jail time for threatening the first children then he won;t be able to come up with some absurd link about the Bush twins.
Isn’t it nice that he and radical muslim extremists have so much in common now? I bet he’d feel right at home in Iran.
God dammit Oliver, how stupid are you to not understand this is just thirty-seven isolated incidents?
Cynthia Tucker claims 45-65% of townhall protesters are racist, and Oliver is on a mission to prove her right.
One by one, he’s gonna get there.
“Cynthia Tucker claims 45-65% of townhall protesters are racist, and Oliver is on a mission to prove her right.
One by one, he’s gonna get there.”
That shouldn’t be too hard.
Democrats threatened to kill President Bush:
http://digg.com/odd_stuff/Man_Sentenced_for_Threatening_President_Bush_and_a_Judge
This is even better. A man who threatened to kill President Bush with a copy of Obama’s ‘Audacity of Hope’ in his house:
http://www.wwltv.com/topstories/stories/wwl011309cbbushplot.43ac2e7.html
Now if we use August Pollak Retard-Logic, we can safely assume that Democrats as a whole for 8 years wanted to kill President Bush.
Jay: Democrats threatened to kill President Bush:
Jay strikes again with his shiny “Look, over there” object.
Hey, Jay. Anybody here suggested that someone who threatened President Bush shouldn’t be detained and investigated?
Funny, I’m willing to say immediately and without complaining that anyone who threatens the life of the president, Republican or Democrat, is a moron who should have the come come visit them. I haven’t seen that at all from any of Oliver’s usual stalkers here, only a race to be the first person to whine over and over and over again that Oliver’s ruining their day by pointing out yet another violent racist at a “peaceful protest.”
/have the police come visit them
“the signholder is a patriot”-Greta Van Susteren
Funny, I’m willing to say immediately and without complaining that anyone who threatens the life of the president, Republican or Democrat, is a moron who should have the come come visit them.
Funny, that issue only comes up when it’s a lone nut doing it to a Democratic president. When a Republican president’s life is threatened, it’s art.
Oliver bitched and moaned when conservatives brought up Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Ward Churchill, Ted Rall, Noam Chomsky, Cindy Sheehan, Mike Gravel etc. Oliver’s aregument was that they were merely the moonbat fringe and weren’t representative of liberals as a whole. We’re just asking that he extend us the same courtesty. Do unto others…
Thanks.
Death of a President is a BRITISH production, you fucking numbskull.
Police in standoff in LA with nutjob who threatened the president
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/08/police-in-standoff-with-suspect-who-made-threats-against-white-house-westwood-apartment-evacuated.html
Must be a Soros funded librul plant…
I think some key differences between the Bush threats and the Obama threats are:
1. Tom Hartmann, Rachel Maddow and Stephanie Miller weren’t encouraging their listeners to threaten Bush’s life;
2. Gun sales didn’t jump when Bush became President;
3. The DNC was not sending emails and brochures telling voters how to stop GOP-held Town Hall Meetings; and
4. Obama is not screening out opposing voices in his Town Hall Meetings.
Oliver bitched and moaned when conservatives brought up Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Ward Churchill, Ted Rall, Noam Chomsky, Cindy Sheehan, Mike Gravel etc. Oliver’s aregument was that they were merely the moonbat fringe and weren’t representative of liberals as a whole. We’re just asking that he extend us the same courtesty. Do unto others…
Nobody on the left even knew who the fuck Churchill was until Hannity and the rest of the douchebags at Fox tried to make him out to be some hero of the mainstream left, which he clearly is not.
How many times does Noam Chomsky get invited to be on NBC in the morning, like that thing Ann Coulter? How many times did Liz the Liar Cheney get on TV in a two week period?
How many times does ABC have on some liberal pundit on their Sunday shows, but they sure invited Michelle Malkin as if she is some expert on anything?
The right wing crazies say the SAME THING as leading US Senators and Congressmen. There is no difference sometimes on what Drudge posts, what Hannity or Beck say, and what Grassley or Inhofe or Coburn or Bachmann say, in public on record.
Everything from birth certificate crap, to “Obama is coming for mah guns” to “Fema camp indoctrinations conspiracies!” gets repeated by the lowliest of Freerepublic posters all the way to cable TV.
Again, noticing how eerily difficult it seems to be for the usual suspects to actually condemn the acts instead of condemning Oliver for reporting them.
Hey Jay. Piss or get off the pot bro. Find me an example where someone threatened the life of Bush’s children.
>Hey, Jay. Anybody here suggested that someone who threatened President Bush shouldn’t be detained and investigated?
Hey, Sean. Anybody here suggested that someone who threatened President Obama shouldn’t be detained and investigated? No? So what exactly are we arguing about here?
This is so insane, it’s almost beyond comprehension.
SaveFarris: Funny, that issue only comes up when it’s a lone nut doing it to a Democratic president. When a Republican president’s life is threatened, it’s art.
So, while August clearly proclaims threatening any President of any party is not to be tolerated, SaveFarris can’t manage to make a similar statement. Just more “Look, over there.”
Moreover, his “over there” is “is the thematic beginning of serious discussions about civil disobedience, racial profiling, the U.S. Government’s reduction of the civil liberties of its populace, news sensationalism as agitational propaganda, and the theory of The Just War.” It is not any sort of proclamation that assassinating a Repub President is OK.
Farris, will you clearly state, as others here have, that threatening the life of a President, of any President, is not acceptable?
Haplo9: Hey, Sean. Anybody here suggested that someone who threatened President Obama shouldn’t be detained and investigated? No? So what exactly are we arguing about here?
No, Haplo, I haven’t seen anyone here suggest that someone who threatens the President shouldn’t be detained/investigated.
What I haven’t seen, however, is Jay or Farris say that anyone who does that should.
Someone threatens Obama (and his family). Should that person be investigated? This shouldn’t be a difficult question to answer, yet they keep dodging it.
@Pryme
I am in no way suggesting that racism is not very real and alive in the U.S.A., however, I live in Texas and I have a number of conservative friends. Gun sales did not jump because we elected a black POTUS. They jumped because we (collectively) elected a Democratic House majority and it looked likely we were going to have a Democratic Senate majority. NRA enthusiasts quickly came to the conclusion that gun control would be high on the priority list of the incoming Congress.
Do I think that was the only reason many guns were purchased. No, but I think it explains the majority of the purchases.
Is it likely that some of the purchases were by racists idiots? Yes, and highly so, but the overwhelming majority revolves around the fear that gun owners would be stripped of the right to purchase and bear arms. While somewhat understandable, they fail to remember Robert’s decision re: the 2nd Amendment in June of last year.
And since we’re focusing solely on the life of the POTUS – I don’t remember any “Democrats” threatening the life of Bush’s daughters – Barbara or Jenna, not to mention his wife, Laura?
So, if it’s okay for a Democrat to threaten the life of Bush and it’s okay for a Republican to threathen the life of Obama, is it okay to bring innocent children and their mother into it, as well?
1. Tom Hartmann, Rachel Maddow and Stephanie Miller weren’t encouraging their listeners to threaten Bush’s life;
Randi Rhodes, not so much.
<I.Funny, that issue only comes up when it’s a lone nut doing it to a Democratic president.
Lone nut. Yeah, okay. Clearly you are not paying attention.
Randi Rhodes, not so much.
Hey, I’ll spot you that one. Randi Rhodes is a nutbag.
SaveFarris: Randi Rhodes, not so much.
You’re still dodging, Farris.
Someone threatens Obama (and his family). Should that person be investigated? This shouldn’t be a difficult question to answer, yet they keep dodging it.
Well you see Sean, I don’t operate that way. It’s absurd kind of thinking. It is along the lines of “If you don’t condemn it, you agree with it” bullcrap. I don’t play those games.
My response to August was based in his comments and what Oliver first said about this guy:
These people do not represent Maryland, but they represent the right.
So what is he saying there Sean? That “the right” (which includes conservatives and Republicans) want President Obama and his family to die. That’s what he’s saying. Yet for some reason, you feel the need to chastise those who aren’t running in here and saying, “That guy should be investigated! Excuse me while I pat myself on the back.” Give me a freaking break.
So if this guy is representative of all conservatives and Republicans then it is only fair to assume that any death threats leveled at President Bush are representative of all Democrats and liberals, correct? I mean, that IS the logic being offered up here.
And Pryme, I wonder what you think of the White House asking Americans to snitch on other Americans and send them emails and examples of people engaging in “misinformation” (Defined by the Obama administration as “Anybody that does not have their nose up our asses”)? As for the DNC and Democratic leadership, they are sending emails and making videos accusing people of exercising their first amendment rights of being part of a “mob” and calling them “un-American.” That’s just lovely.
I mean, that IS the logic being offered up here.
The right has been going on for months now about President Obama being a threat to America. I thought the “he hates America” thing would end with the campaign, but obviously not. The right has pushed this idea that somehow Obama being president upsets the natural order of things, and there are some crazies out there who are going to take that to heart, and you guys will own it.
I wonder what you think of the White House asking Americans to snitch on other Americans and send them emails and examples of people engaging in “misinformation”
Thanks for engaging in exactly the brand of bullshit I’ve been talking about. The White House said, hey do you have any bullshit people have been sending around? Send it to us and we’ll set you straight. Cons turned this into a doubleplus secret White House snitch site so Obama can can send you to a FEMA death camp. Again, thanks for proving my point.
they are sending emails and making videos accusing people of exercising their first amendment rights of being part of a “mob” and calling them “un-American.”
Yes, Jay, yelling at members of congress and not allowing them to speak at a town hall meeting, bringing guns to presidential protests, those are behaviors that an un-American mob traffics in.
And you keep defending it.
Stay classy, Republicans.
I originally thought it read, “threatened by Obama kids”. I said, ‘Really? Where would the girls have the opportunity to threaten him?’ Though I can certainly see them taking dim view of threats to their father.
I’d forgotten who Randi Rhodes was. A quick search does indeed make her look like a nutbag, and one with military experience. Happily I don’t see politicians encouraging her to hold objectively crazy beliefs or to come and shout threats at people, because that might frighten me.
Jay: Well you see Sean, I don’t operate that way. It’s absurd kind of thinking. It is along the lines of “If you don’t condemn it, you agree with it” bullcrap. I don’t play those games.
Well, you see, Jay, I don’t find that you operate that way suprising at all.
This isn’t an absurd “gotcha!” question of whether you’ve stopped beating your wife (which is clearly designed to have no acceptable answer). Or a debateable question of whether you support legalization of marijuana or not (which has legitimate pros and cons on both sides and for which rational arguments can be made either way).
It’s a straight-forward question of whether you oppose an act which any reasonable person would say is unacceptable. There is no legitimate pro-side case to be made for threatening the life of the President and his children.
And yet, when folks object to someone threatening Obama your response is “Well, someone once threatened Bush.” As if it’s tit-for-tat and therefore OK.
If that isn’t what you meant, then why respond as you did, with a “but they did it, too!”? I’d love to hear your rational.
Jay: Yet for some reason, you feel the need to chastise those who aren’t running in here and saying, “That guy should be investigated! Excuse me while I pat myself on the back.” Give me a freaking break.
No, I question why you respond with an “it’s ok that he did that because it was done to Bush, too.”
If I misunderstood what you meant by that, then by all means please explain. Do you think threatening the life of the President is acceptable?
Surely you lefties are not suggesting that wretched excesses at public demonstrations began with Republicans?
Why don’t you just stop it. Disrespecting the President is a leftist tradition going back to LBJ.
The worst treatment of a President since Richard M. Nixon was the treatment accorded George Bush in public demonstrations during nearly every day of his administration.
And don’t even ask me for links, or I’ll flood the server , starting with Shrub my Molly Ivins and I hate Bush by Chait.
Did all these people threaten his life? No, of course not. Was his life “threatened”? Multiple times. Just today, I read about a sign that said “Bush Wanted – Dead or Alive” , with “Alive” crossed out.
After eight years of Bushitler and Chimpy, I’d be ashamed to open my mouth if I were you.
You created an atmosphere. You reap what you sow.
So what is he saying there Sean? That “the right” (which includes conservatives and Republicans) want President Obama and his family to die. That’s what he’s saying.
I’ve heard a lot of conservatives, on the radio, on TV, on blogs, tell their audiences that Obama is going to destroy America as we know it and take away all our liberties.
As an avowed proponent of extremism in defense of liberty, Jay, I’m wondering what your response to that is.
“You created an atmosphere. You reap what you sow.”
Wow, it’s almost like Bill Clinton was never President and never endured threats and vitriol from the extreme right wing.
‘After eight years of Bushitler and Chimpy, I’d be ashamed to open my mouth if I were you.’
No you wouldn’t.
No, I question why you respond with an “it’s ok that he did that because it was done to Bush, too.”
But that’s not what I did Sean. I am merely making a clear point that if these instances are indicative of ALL Republicans and conservatives, then the same logic must hold true for ALL Democrats and liberals. If somebody is not going to agree to that kind of logic, then it just means they’re full of a huge steaming pile of bullshit.
So Sean, is it acceptable to say that one person’s actions and the mindset behind that is indicative of all others? If so, why is it acceptable for one political party, but not the other?
The right has been going on for months now about President Obama being a threat to America. I thought the “he hates America” thing would end with the campaign, but obviously not. The right has pushed this idea that somehow Obama being president upsets the natural order of things, and there are some crazies out there who are going to take that to heart, and you guys will own it.
And how is this different from the way the left treated President Bush? It’s funny, but if your concern is about people saying the President of the United States “hates America” and other assorted nonsense, I would think you’d speak out against that. But you never did. In fact, you joined the chorus of that nonsense. So now you see it happening to your guy and suddenly you’re like, “OMG!!”
Thanks for engaging in exactly the brand of bullshit I’ve been talking about. The White House said, hey do you have any bullshit people have been sending around? Send it to us and we’ll set you straight.
Dude, you are so full of it is coming out of your ears. If the Bush administration had done something like this you and every other liberal blogger in the world along with the media would have CRAPPED THEIR PANTS. Now you shrug your shoulders. You don’t even have the ACLU on your side on this one.
Cons turned this into a doubleplus secret White House snitch site so Obama can can send you to a FEMA death camp.
Uh, nobody has said anything about FEMA death camps. This is what I am talking about. You probably scoured the Internet and found some anonymous nutcase somewhere who said something like this and you take it and apply it to ALL conservatives and Republicans. The REALITY is that conservatives have said is they don’t like the idea of the White House collecting data and information on people who disagree with them and storing in a database somewhere.
Yes, Jay, yelling at members of congress and not allowing them to speak at a town hall meeting, bringing guns to presidential protests, those are behaviors that an un-American mob traffics in
Here we go. Once again, a few examples encompasses all. There have been far more town hall meetings where the tone has been challenging, but still respectful than those where protesters were merely shouting the entire time. But you put forth the bullshit argument that they’re ALL like that. Of course. That’s how you roll.
And then a man:
A. Exercising his rights under the law and the constitution
and
B. Not threatening anybody
Is “un-American.”
Un-frigging real is your state of mind dude. Really.
And how is this different from the way the left treated President Bush?
Because our opposition was based on serious policy concerns that were killing people and yours are based on made up fantasies.
nobody has said anything about FEMA death camps
Glenn Beck? You keep saying these conspiracy theories are on the fringe. They aren’t. They are mainstream conservative thought.
The REALITY is that conservatives have said is they don’t like the idea of the White House collecting data and information on people who disagree with them and storing in a database somewhere.
No, what conservatives have said is Evil Obama is putting them on an enemies list. Even what you’re saying here is nonsense hyperbole about “storing in a databse”. You can’t help yourself!
But you put forth the bullshit argument that they’re ALL like that.
The vast majority of these town halls aren’t cons respectfully saying they disagree with Dems. It is hooting and hollering, not allowing people to speak, hanging people in effigy, screaming about socialism and communism. You would rather that not be the dominant message the right is sending out, but the reality is that is exactly what it is. Your side isn’t interested in a rational discussion on these issues in the least. They’ve gone into these meetings wailing about how Obama is destroying America, and bringing in the socialism.
The White House said, hey do you have any bullshit people have been sending around? Send it to us and we’ll set you straight.
The White House stereo doesn’t pick up WMAL? The dish doesn’t pick up Fox News? Obama can’t afford a Google subscription?
Keeping up with the “latest in dis-information” isn’t hard. He didn’t set this up so you could report some outrage you saw on Hannity or in the New York Post. This was to report on conversations with private citizens. You can’t get more Brownshirt than that. And that gets a pass from you because IOKIYAD.
Because our opposition was based on serious policy concerns that were killing people and yours are based on made up fantasies.
Bwahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa……….hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa…
Whew. Thanks for that.
Glenn Beck?
You mean the Glenn Beck who had people from ‘Popular Mechanics’ on his show to help debunk the notion?
Keep trying Oliver.
No, what conservatives have said is Evil Obama is putting them on an enemies list.
Show me sources, or I call bullshit. LEGIT sources. Not a guy on FreeRepublic. Because if you pull that nonsense, any time I say “Democrats said” I’ll just lead you over to Democratic Underground for “proof.”
Even what you’re saying here is nonsense hyperbole about “storing in a databse”. You can’t help yourself!
Ummm…you do realize that the White House, under the law is obligated to keep any communications it receives? But at the same time, the White House is also prohibited from collecting such data. That’s not “hyperbole” Oliver. It’s reality. Question: Why do they need forwarded emails and names? Why not created a bulletin board of some kind where somebody posts what they’ve been told is “fishy.” Again, if the Bush administration had done something like this, it would have set the interwebs on fire with left wing rage.
The vast majority of these town halls aren’t cons respectfully saying they disagree with Dems. It is hooting and hollering, not allowing people to speak, hanging people in effigy, screaming about socialism and communism.
That’s a lie.
Plain and simple.
You’re lying.
Keep trying Oliver.
You mean before going on and on about how he was sure there was something to it?
Show me sources, or I call bullshit. LEGIT sources.
“Sammon suggests existence of White House “enemies list,” which could lead to “turning the IRS loose” on those on it”
“Beck calls flag@whitehouse.gov an “enemies list”"
Why do they need forwarded emails and names?
My guess is, especially with regard to this issue, its not exactly the tech savvy folks who join message boards and the like. Plus, forwarding an email is the easiest thing in the world.
You’re lying.
Turn on a TV. Watch one of these town halls. Quit lying to yourself. Senators and Reps are being shouted down, barely being allowed to get their point of view and justification for why they support the bills across. That’s not an open exchange of ideas. And you know it, yet insist on pretending that it isn’t so.
Frank DiSalle: Did all these people threaten his life? No, of course not. Was his life “threatened”? Multiple times. Just today, I read about a sign that said “Bush Wanted – Dead or Alive” , with “Alive” crossed out.
Joining Jay with the rational that threatening the President is OK because people did it to Bush, too?
You created an atmosphere. You reap what you sow.
And that your standard is “no worse than the other guys”?
How admirable of you.
Jay: I am merely making a clear point that if these instances are indicative of ALL Republicans and conservatives, then the same logic must hold true for ALL Democrats and liberals. … So Sean, is it acceptable to say that one person’s actions and the mindset behind that is indicative of all others?
You’re changing the subject. I was asking about your opinion on whether it is acceptable to threaten the life of the President. Your comments indicate that you do think it is OK because people threatened Bush, too), which you seem committed to notand you want me to comment on something else that Oliver said that you object to.
OK, fine. I’ll bite. If I answer your question will you answer mine?
No, the actions of an individual should not necessarily be taken as representative of an entire group. However when the elected leaders of a group don’t object to the actions/ideas/views of that fringe,, when they actually in fact, embrace and promote those views (just one example: see John Campbell) it is reasonable to conclude that the fringe views are actually not fringe, but central beliefs of the group. That the “fringe” is, in fact, representative of the group.
Get the Republicans in Congress to stand up, as a group, and denounce the birthers and the shout-’em-down tactics that prevent others from exercising their First Amendment rights and THEN I’ll whole-heartedly join you in announcing that the actions of a few don’t represent the views of the Republican party.
Now, Jay. Is it ever acceptable to threaten the life of the President and his family?
SaveFarris: This was to report on conversations with private citizens. You can’t get more Brownshirt than that.
It was not “Tell us which of your friends and neighbors are saying bad things about us so we can stop them” which would be as objectionableas herding citizens into “free speech” zones. (Which is objectionable, Farris. In case you didnt’ know that.) It was, instead, “Tell us what you’re hearing and we’ll set the record straight.”
One is “Give us names because we’re going to shut down dissent”. The other is “We don’t care who you’re talking to, but we’re going to counter the lies they gave you”.
Can you really not see the difference?
SDM: I was asking about your opinion on whether it is acceptable to threaten the life of the President (Your comments indicate that you do think it is OK because people threatened Bush, too), which you seem committed to not answer directly and you want me to comment on something else that Oliver said that you object to.
Fixed, just to be clear.
But you put forth the bullshit argument that they’re ALL like that.
If I was to go by what I see in the media, that’s what I would gather.
And how is this different from the way the left treated President Bush?
Well, lessee. The protesters from the right side aren’t in a chain-link dog pen a block and a half away.
Because our opposition was based on serious policy concerns that were killing people and yours are based on made up fantasies.
Bwahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa……….hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa…
Whew. Thanks for that.
Wow, the Iraq war was NOT a serious policy concern. Treatment of detainees was NOT a serious policy concern.
Thank YOU, Jay.
And that gets a pass from you because IOKIYAD.
No, Farris, it gets a pass from me because it is nowhere NEAR as scary as you make it out to be.
Show me sources, or I call bullshit. LEGIT sources. Not a guy on FreeRepublic.
Farris, would you share with Jay, please?
Show me sources, or I call bullshit. LEGIT sources. Not a guy on FreeRepublic.
For all we know John Cornyn may be a guy on FreeRepublic but he’s also a US Senator from Texas. Is that legit or do you want to see his birth certificate?
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/state/stories/DN-cornynflag_06nat.ART.State.Edition1.4bb4d44.html
That the “fringe” is, in fact, representative of the group.
They’re just crazy enough to say it out loud.