Recovery from the worst recession since the 1930s has begun as President Barack Obama’s fiscal stimulus — derided as insufficient and budget-busting months ago — takes effect, a survey of economists indicated.
The economy will expand 2 percent or more in four straight quarters through June, the first such streak in more than four years, according to the median of 53 forecasts in the monthly Bloomberg News survey. Analysts lifted their estimate for the third quarter by 1.2 percentage points compared with July, the biggest such boost in surveys dating from May 2003.
‘We’ve averted the worst, and there are clear signs the stimulus is working,’ said Kenneth Goldstein, an economist at the Conference Board in New York.
If it’s anything like the last time we had a Democratic president, we’re due for an Obama Boom. But even lacking that, cautious optimism and thanks we got the right man in the job.
If it’s anything like the last time we had a Democratic president, we’re due for an Obama Boom.
… right after Health Care “reform” is deafeated and Republicans take over Congress. Here’s hoping on all 3.
‘We’ve averted the worst, and there are clear signs the stimulus is working,’
Credit where it’s due, fellas? It’s time.
I wish the article had actually given some of those clear signs.
The governments’ projections for the impact of the “stimulus” are so far off through this point in time that it’s hard to quantify its role in the recovery. Even if that wasn’t the case, it will take years before the effects can be evaluated. It’s not like the economy wouldn’t recover had the government done nothing at all.
It’s not like the economy wouldn’t recover had the government done nothing at all.
You’re freaking kidding, right?
You think the government is the be-all and end-all of everything, and I think the opposite. We will never agree about that, there’s no point even discussing it, and you know it.
If the government had done nothing at all, we would no longer have a legitimate banking system. At the very least, TARP was successful in that mission. The stimulus bill’s effect has still been minimal but many of the actual jobs won’t be coming online until Q4. Likely there has been business spending to facilitate the potential expansion and that is probably part of what economists are noticing.
Credit where it’s due, fellas? It’s time.
Not if it contradicts the divine revelation that TEH GUVMINT SUX, it isn’t. That mindset is impervious to evidence.
TARP is not the stimulus bill. Plus, most of the stimulus money still hasn’t been spent, and a good portion of what has been spent can’t be accounted for. So yes, I am unwilling to give the government the benefit of the doubt.
Stimulus Working
Obama, Soros Give-away Program
It’s free money!!!
“Thank God for Obama. He’s looking out for us.”
Shorter GOP/cons: What? We can’t hear you!!!
And yes, look for them to say that the stimulus was just a side issue and that we would have come out of the Bush recession naturally, despite the evidence to the contrary.
From the story Dennis linked:
Sounds HORRIBLE. I mean, helping families on food stamps? Don’t they know that Soros needs another tax cut?
Do you have a point, Dennis?
Where are the jobs Obama promised to deliver by now, Oliver?
According to the unemployment numbers, they’re slowly and steadily working their way through the economy and will continue to do so.
Do you have a point, Stormfronter Dennis?
The no-strings-attached money went to families receiving food stamps or welfare.
Nope. No chance for fraud or abuse there.
It’s funny how the left thinks giving “no-strings-attached” to the poor is good (”It’s stimulative!”) but giving the same to “the rich” (in the form of tax cuts) is bad. These people bought notebooks and backpacks. The rich “buy” jobs. Which helps the economy more?
According to the unemployment numbers, they’re slowly and steadily working their way through the economy
If by “through”, you mean they’re leaving the job force and not returning, then yeah absolutely!
The rich “buy” jobs.
I’m glad you put buy in quotes, Save, otherwise you would have sounded really dumb. It’s such a fine line …
So Obama was supposed to undo the disastrous unemployment rate in seven to eight months, after eight years of incompetence?
It must be true if the totally impartial National Review said so!
OW has been pretty circumspect in talking about national economic recovery. It would behoove you cons to at least acknowledge that if things are demonstrably better after two years, say at the beginning of 2011, you guys are completely screwed for 2012. You’re the guys how “hoped he fails.”
Honestly, the guy could cure cancer and you’d complain that he didn’t cure AIDS. In a short period of time he’s restored confidence to the American economy, and the markets have improved. This means investors and business owners won’t be gun-shy about hiring and increasing production. This is what we adults in the reality-based community call “recovery from the Bush Recession.”
I know it’s impossible for you guys to give credit to a black president, but I’ll be happy enough to see him win in a landslide for his second term.
SF, the best way to destroy this country is to elect Republicans to office. Republicans are, and have been since Reagan was elected, the worst of the worst, and actively work to undermine all that is good in America.
The government should never just hand out cash. If people need assistance, provide the supplies they need, but never, ever, just give out cash. That’s just a horrible idea.
I hope making racism claims laughable helps us move past the actual problem. Otherwise, it will still be a problem, and you’ll have still made the claims a joke. I hope you’re proud.
Zzzzzzz.
Where are the jobs Obama promised to deliver by now, Oliver?
Do you need one?
No, I don’t, Burned. But I know quite a few who do. Until I see some of them getting back on their feet I’ll have a hard time joining in on the ‘Obama/Stimulus is working!’cheerleading going on here.
The problem with having a discussion like this is that the conservative commentariat on this website are brainless ideologues and apparently underemployed. How else does one have the time to make 50+ daily comments in a semi-popular liberal blog?
OW has been pretty circumspect in talking about national economic recovery.
Oh please. He throws up a post for every single post that doesn’t describe the economy in disaterous terms. Just yesterday, he posted a story about how employers were slashing hours, and how it was good for the economy. Really!
In a short period of time he’s restored confidence to the American economy, and the markets have improved. [still down from Election Day. "Not Losing as Much!!!!" isn't the feather in the cap you think it is] This means investors and business owners won’t be gun-shy about hiring and increasing production.
Hope and Change!!!
“The government should never just hand out cash.”
So you’re saying seniors should be stripped of their Social Security and their Medicare.
Interesting.
ut I know quite a few who do. Until I see some of them getting back on their feet I’ll have a hard time joining in on the ‘Obama/Stimulus is working!’cheerleading going on here.
Well tell them to quit being so LAZY. I mean, this is Amurica, you’re supposed to pull yourselves up by your straps, remember? Anyone who doesn’t have a job is just some freeloading oaf who wants a govt handout.
“still down from Election Day”
So Obama is responsible for the DOW while Bush was in office? I guess Pearl Harbor was his fault too.
You guys are just pathetic.
Dow was at 7,949 on Inauguration Day, January 2009: http://www.newsday.com/news/market-takes-dive-despite-obama-inauguration-1.890737
Today it’s at 9,367.
But to take your bait, Dow on Election Day 2008 was about 9,600. It dropped to about 9,100 the next day, so to remain consistent in your hate, that was probably Obama’s fault, right? So as of election day we’re down 300 or so. As of the day after election day, we’re actually up 200 or so.
What we see here is called a “trend.” And honestly, you’re going to blame Obama for a 300 differential between November 2008 and August 2009? After what Bush did to the markets?
Keep on swinging and missing.
The wingers will NEVER give Obama so much as an ounce of credit for anything, because that’s who they are; permanent sore loser crybabies. Whenever Repubs lose power, they go into spoiled brat mode doing anything and everything they can to undermine whoever beat them at the ballot box. They did it with Clinton and you betcha they’ll do it for Obama, although Obama really tapped into some wingnut rage that Clinton could never muster….gee, I cannot for the life of me imagine why…maybe because he is…tall?
Burn, perhaps it’s just a matter of perception? Stop being sexist.
“These people bought notebooks and backpacks. The rich “buy” jobs. Which helps the economy more?”
The rich buy stock market bubbles, and when they burst they get bailed out and the rest of us get a couple of new pencils, notebooks and backpacks for school. And a couple of extra food stamps. Sounds like a good deal.
It’s because he went to elite Ivy League schools. Bush would never have done such a thing, since he was a man of the people.
“It’s not like the economy wouldn’t recover had the government done nothing at all.”
Yeah and real life is like a grade 10 essay on the free market economy. Without government there could be no free market capitalism. It could not sustain the weight of its own self interest and greed. Government is your friend, you just don’t know it. You need the straw man to kick around and blame, but in the end it gets capitalism and capitalist out of trouble.
Blinders off please.
If Porkulus is working, apparently it’s not due to Obama’s stewardship.
Rasmussen on Obama: 52% Disapprove
29% Trust Obama on Economic Crisis
Those 29%-ers again. Who ARE these people???
The government should never just hand out cash. If people need assistance, provide the supplies they need, but never, ever, just give out cash. That’s just a horrible idea.
I recall the bush administration giving out some rebates. Perhaps you are too young to remember.
If Porkulus is working, apparently it’s not due to Obama’s stewardship.
I think you’re having causation/correlation problems again, Dennis.
buma, to a certain extent you raise a valid point in that rebates were given out evenly while taxes paid are not. However, giving people some of their money back is far different from giving some people other people’s money.
I think you’re a 29%-er, fafaroo.
I think you’d be a 19%-er if it came to that, truth be told.
Porkulus….wow, are you still saying “Not!” too?
So Obama is responsible for the DOW while Bush was in office?
Dude, you didn’t know that? Denny has been blaming him since Election Day. But he gets no credit now, this is all stuff spillover from Bush.
“It’s not like the economy wouldn’t recover had the government done nothing at all.”
How’s the Somalian economy?
However, giving people some of their money back is far different from giving some people other people’s money.
That $600 in hush money I got from Bush was mine all along? I did not know that.
Shenanigans.
“Nope. No chance for fraud or abuse there.”
It’s TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS and it’s being helped by a philanthropist. WTF is the problem? You’re basically saying, “OMG, there could be FRAUD!!!
Having exceptions to the rule must negate the good it’s doing, so do nothing at all!!”
I think you’re a 29%-er, fafaroo.
I think you’d be a 19%-er if it came to that, truth be told.
Well, you’re still a doody-head.
You guys still say ‘FAIL’, Burned.
I thought about saying Stimulus, but that bill was more about getting out the pork than it was about stimulating.
Dennis, you’ll have to put me down as a 63-percenter. By the way, you whine a lot.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/08/10/Obama-has-6-month-approval-of-63-percent/UPI-86581249921095/
It’s because it’s from Soros. Anytime you mention Soros around idiot wingnuts, they go into slobbering-rage mode, screaming and ranting about how evil he is.
What would they do without their boogeymen? ACORN Soros, SEIU…every damn week it’s a new enemy that needs to be feared.
I think you’re a 29%-er, fafaroo.
Dennis, the statement you made:
is not one you can support with public opinion data because public opinion data is actually irrelevant to whether or not the stimulus bill is actually working.
If, indeed, the stimulus is working as advertised that has everything to do with Obama’s stewardship as it was his adn the Dems plan.
If you had written: “Even if the stimulus is working people are not ascribing its effects to Obama’s stewardship or people do not seem to be feeling its effects.”
Then public opinion data would have been relevant to proving your point.
But again, if, in fact, the stimulus is working, it’s working whether or not people are ascribing it to Obama’s stewardship and Obama’s stewardship has everything to do with the stimulus working.
So please, if you want to play troll, at least try to maintain some level of logic.
Strange thing, Duros, when Bush was in office and the DOW was climbing to 12,000, then 13,000, then 14,000, and I mentioned that to liberals on their blogs, they were never all that interested in what the DOW was doing. Now it seems you guy home in on that number instead of jobs. Why is that?
I hadn’t graced you guys with my presence at the time, but here’s a blog post from here from when the DOW hit 13,000:
DOW 13,000 in Context
You even commented, and you had nothing positive to say at all about Bush then. According to the logic presented in that blog post, Obama shouldn’t get any credit for the DOW until it reaches somewhere around 16,000 or so. Or according to Pollak, somewhere around DOW 26,000.
I’d like to believe you guys are citizens of this reality-bases community you keep telling us about and that your logic is consistent and fact-based, but looking up your past history paints a much different picture most times.
The government should never just hand out cash.
I’m sure you raised this hew and cry when we were handing it out in wheel barrows and suitcases to contractors in Iraq.
Bush, Beck, Limbaugh, Eliminationists, Birthers, Bush.
And Bush.
The logic is apparent, fafaroo. If you have trouble with the sentence structure and whether or not it could’ve been worded more clearly, then fine, duly noted and thanks. But you responded right away to that very sentence, so you knew the point I was making before you took a second pass at it and attempted to deconstruct it.
Your logic has more holes in it than Swiss cheese.
And again, you are trying to hard at this.
It’s not horrible. But let’s just call it what it is, Oliver.
It’s buying votes and public approval and it’s spreading the wealth around.
It’s buying votes and public approval
It’s called helping people in a time of need. I know Mr. Potter frowns on it but he loses in the end.
But you responded right away to that very sentence, so you knew the point I was making before you took a second pass at it and attempted to deconstruct it.
I had no idea what point you’re trying to make Dennis and I still don’t. Based on your statement you seem to think that if the stimulus is working it has nothing to do with Obama. That’s patently absurd on its face since the stimulus was Obama’s plan.
You seemed to be saying that Obama’s stewardship has nothing to do with the stimulus working and public opinion polls prove it. Well, Dennis, they don’t. Hence your problem with correlation/causation.
So Dennis, maybe you could rephrase your initial statement or back it up with actual relevant data.
Care to give it go?
It’s buying votes and public approval and it’s spreading the wealth around.
No it isn’t Dennis. It’s helping people on food stamps during a tough economy and attempting to create local stimulus by allowing people to buy things for their kids’ schooling.
It’s TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS and it’s being helped by a philanthropist.
Multiply that by 800,000 participants. Now multiply that by 50 states. (adjusting for population) Now you’ve got potentially 73.5 million participants at $200 a head = $14.6 billion. And remember, this is *ON TOP OF* any money they’re already getting for food stamps, housing, etc.
Who’s paying for that?
PS: It’s things like Soro’s contributions that would fall by the wayside if Obama gets his way.
It’s helping people on food stamps during a tough economy
If Obama wanted to truly help them, he’d foster an economic climate that created, not destroyed, jobs. Teach a man to fish…
@ OW.com junior editor fafaroo-
Whether or not they feel the stimulus is working, and IMO it isn’t, the overwhelming majority of Americans, according to poll results conducted by this reputable pollster, don’t have faith in Obama’s economic stewardship.
Teach a man to fish…
Yes, Save, and we all hope and pray someone will one day take pity on you and teach you how to read:
From the link:
It’s clearly a New York state only program, Save.
@ OW.com junior editor fafaroo-
Now was it so hard to base your statements on actual evidence, Dennis?
Would you care to do the same, now, with your comments about health care reform?
It’s clearly a New York state only program, Save
Ah, so clearly the message Barack is trying to send is “F#*k those Poor Missouri kids!”
You even commented, and you had nothing positive to say at all about Bush then.
And most likely I never will. What is your point?
fafaroo.
Pulitzer Prize winner Eugene Robinson and I pretty much see eye-to-eye on Granny and Aunt Silvia, as do a significant number of very nervous seniors. The people you should be doing your critques of should be the ones trying to push their agenda on the American public, the party that occupies the White House, the House and the Senate. Not me.
Like J-Stew said, “You know a sales pitch is in trouble when it starts with ‘Look, you gotta trust me, we’re not going to kill your grandparents’!”
I think you’re in the minority on this one, fafaroo. Good effort, though. Think we can carry this one on to a full week? We’re almost there.
It’s not horrible. But let’s just call it what it is, Oliver.
It’s buying votes and public approval and it’s spreading the wealth around.
Oh, horrors!
PS: It’s things like Soro’s contributions that would fall by the wayside if Obama gets his way.
BOOGA BOOGA BOOGA!
Would you just stop?
Pulitzer Prize winner Eugene Robinson and I pretty much see eye-to-eye on Granny and Aunt Silvia, as do a significant number of very nervous seniors.
Just stop it. It was a lie when you hauled it out the first time and it’s a lie now.
Dennis, as was pointed out to you in the other thread, Eugene Robinson specifically condemned the very rhetoric you employed.
You’re simply dishonest, Dennis. There’s no other way to put it.
Well, fafaroo, I imagine you’ll keep saying that till the cows come home, but Eugene Robinson did agree with me. It’s a bit more comforting to me now, and I’m sure a few more seniors than before, that President Obama has stated unequivocally he won’t kill Granny.
At least if he does, we can call him on it.
Pretty weak tea, Dennis.
It all got quite old last Friday afternoon, fafaroo. I agree with you.
And now, not even Cash for Clunkers is working.
Heck of a Job, Barack.
And now, not even Cash for Clunkers is working.
Save, you moron, could you please point to the exact sentence or paragraph in the linked article that justifies the statement that the program is “not working”?
Because I read this:
Funny, we’re not seeing it described as ‘wildly successful’ anymore, are we, SF?
Like J-Stew said, “You know a sales pitch is in trouble when it starts with ‘Look, you gotta trust me, we’re not going to kill your grandparents’!”
I just got chance to watch the clip. You know, Dennis, this may have all gotten old last Friday but you keep finding new ways to be a dishonest sack of shit.
Funny, we’re not seeing it described as ‘wildly successful’ anymore, are we, SF?
Unbelievable.
Goodness, I feel so much better now than Oliver has assured me that because we have a Democratic president everything is going to be awesome, and that bad policy is suddenly going to turn everything to gold because of the letter beside the current presidents name! Thanks for reassuring me Oliver. I’d like a unicorn for Christmas this year.
I know that with Obama anything is possible!
AP – The federal deficit climbed higher into record territory in July, hitting $1.27 trillion with two months remaining in the budget year.
The Treasury Department said Wednesday that the July deficit totaled $180.7 billion, slightly more than the $177.5 billion economists had expected.
The Obama administration is projecting that when the current budget year ends on Sept. 30, the imbalance will total $1.84 trillion, more than four times last year’s record-high.
The jobless, non-recovery is just around the corner! Green Shoots!
Bloomberg – “Home price declines in the U.S. accelerated in the second quarter, dropping by a record 15.6 percent from a year earlier, as foreclosures weighed on values.
The median price of an existing single-family home dropped to $174,100, the most in records dating to 1979, the National Association of Realtors said today. Total sales rose 3.8 percent to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 4.76 million from the first quarter and fell 2.9 percent from 2008’s second quarter.”
fafaroo, like I said, you’ll keep saying that till the cows come home, but in actuality, it’s you that’s been dishonest. It bugs the shit out of you that Obama and Dems are getting hammered on this and that I keep offering you liberals who agree with me on this point. You thought last Friday you had a winner, but you didn’t. Sure, you’ve got your peanut gallery here who will back you, like a stacked Bill Maher audience, but in reality, you’ve got little else.
It bugs the shit out of you that Obama and Dems are getting hammered on this and that I keep offering you liberals who agree with me on this point.
Dennis, you seem to have my point, John Stewart’s point and Eugene Robinson’s point.
All of us agree that it’s reasonable for people to have reasonable concerns.
All of us agree that Obama could be doing a better job of selling the plan.
And all of agree that the kind of rhetoric you used and continue to defend is, in my words, dishonest, in Robinson’s words, irresponsible, outlandish and false and in Stewart’s words, also in the clip, insane.
You pushed the same “Obama is going to kill grandma” line that Robinson and Stewart have condemned and mocked, respectively.
You keep linking to these people in a desperate bid to change the subject because you cannot and you will not back up what you said, because you know there is no justification for it.
None whatsoever.
Otherwise, Dennis, just come right and repeat what you said.
Tell us all that if this health care reform bill were to pass, your mother in law can expect “obama’s stormtroopers” to come take her away for the “grandma perma sleep” program.
Go ahead, Dennis. Just say it if you believe it.
Do you?
“Bloomberg – “Home price declines in the U.S. accelerated in the second quarter, dropping by a record 15.6 percent from a year earlier, as foreclosures weighed on values.”
It’s called a market correction … what’s your point? Would you rather houses be unfordable? Unfortunate for those who bought in the bubble.
I secretly wish that the death squad would take away Trigg. That way, Palin could finally be right about something. Is this OK to say?
I sound like a broken record but here it goes again – free enterprise folks only like the system when it working – ie in a boom. When the gravy train ends, and all that deregulations kicks them (or more importantly, others) in the teeth, then …
Nearly a full week of your regurgitating the same lines over and over in Strowbridgean fashion and this is the first time you’ve even said that much, fafaroo.
And that is dishonest.
You accuse me of dancing and dodging, but I’ve engaged you now for almost a week on this, which I’m sure you’re sitting there snickering about, but what’s most dishonest about you, fafaroo, is you never say one word to anyone one the left here who uses far more hateful and dubious rhetoric toward Bush and Republicans. When you chided me for calling Kenneth Gladney a black conservative because I told you several other blogs and journalists had referred to him that way, I then told you OW had used that descriptive twice in his blog post and was the reason anything he said should be doubted…racially profiling at it’s most ugliest and most blatant. You said nothing about OW nor to him. Dishonest on his part, but terrible dishonest on yours. It’s a game to you. I don’t mind playing along, but you are no saint, not even close. Right now he’s just put up a blog post that suggests that all those opposed to Obama/Health care reform are racists, that he has proof of that. It’s the kind of thing you’d go crazy if I had used that kind of logic and wouldn’t let go of for a week. You won’t say anything about that.
Hateful rhetoric towards Bush? For shame.
I’m sure you’re aware –
- that darn illegal war, and tens, if not hundred of thousands dead, based on lies and incompetence. And for what?
- torture. America became a country that tortures.
- unraveling of basic protections of the constitution, wiretapping, holding prisoners for years without charge, trial or legal counsel.
– and you know the rest of the hurtful rhetoric, which is basically just slander libs made up to hurt your feelings.
….you never say one word to anyone one the left here who uses far more hateful and dubious rhetoric toward Bush and Republicans.”,/i>
Dennis, take responsibility for your own words like a man or quit crying like a child.
Either way is fine by me.
The government should never just hand out cash. If people need assistance, provide the supplies they need, but never, ever, just give out cash. That’s just a horrible idea.
Unless it’s in the form of a tax rebate, right?
And that is dishonest.
Dennis, you’ve been running around saying Obama’s going to sneak into old-folks homes and pull the plug on senior citizens, and you’re calling fafaroo “dishonest”.
…
Dennis, I can’t ethically ask you to kill yourself, but could you just leave society altogether? Live in the woods or some shit? Your existence is only marked with pain and suffering. You have the blood of innocent people on your hands and crave more. You’re hurting people to inflate your undeserved sense of self-worth. The world would be a better place if you were gone. You offer nothing to society but hatred and sorrow. Please, just go away forever.
“Right now he’s just put up a blog post that suggests that all those opposed to Obama/Health care reform are racists”
Hm, no. “All the”?? where does he say all opposition is racist? The problem is this shit is drowning out ANY sort of dialogue. What are the criticisms? Who knows? All you can hear is Obama is a terrist! Obama is the second coming of Ivan Lenin in hot pants! Obama has AIDS snot blowing out of his nostrils!! Obammy’s gonna miscegenate my chillun’!
If the right could chill out this crapola, perhaps they could have themselves heard, too! But I take it from the deafening silence of their leadership that they have nothing substantive to say.
So the criticism now turns to what the Repubs are harnessing with the pitchfork and torch crowd, rather than what the repubs might want to offer as criticism. Sow the wind, reap the racist criticism.
Zython, ya know, I’m really surprised you haven’t used my name to post a racist tirade so that you can post right after using calling me a racist using my name, like you did with that blogger on Sadly No.
Stormfront Dennis, you still haven’t proven that Zython was a sock-puppet.
All you do is make shit up on your wife’s dime.
Get a job or get a blog, punk.
Jaim- How much would you like to bet on that?
Zython, ya know, I’m really surprised you haven’t used my name to post a racist tirade so that you can post right after using calling me a racist using my name, like you did with that blogger on Sadly No.
First of all, that wasn’t me. Secondly, I don’t really need to demonize you. You do a good job of that by yourself.
Zython, it was you, my friend, and you are lying.
Let me get this wagered finalized with Jaim, first, and I’ll be back to you.
How much do I wanna bet you should get a job or a blog?
Jaim-
Should I put this down as the second decline on my call for you to put your money where your mouth is when you accuse me of something?
The first one is that I’ve told you what I do for a living, and that offer is still open for you, fyi. And now this the second one.
This is what Zython wrote using another blogger’s name and the web address to her blog as the identifier in the name field:
Beth of Blue Star Chronicles was the blogger he posed as.
Yes, you guys do that kind of stuff. We don’t just make it up, Jaim.
Again, Denny, all you have is circumstantial evidence, do you have any real rock-solid proof?
You are scum, Zython.
Race-baiting scum.
He’s not involved with what you did, but Duros posted with you there on the same thread.
Did you know that?
Small world, isn’t it?
So, that’s a “no”?
On that thead at Sadly, No!, the same thread where you posed as beth from Blue Star Chronicles, you wrote this:
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Zython said,
September 25, 2007 at 9:17
Vinnie, beth, why do you both hate America? Why do you love seeing dead soldiers and civilans? Why are you glad that Osama’s gotten away.
Gee, Mikey, I did my enlistment in the Navy, how ’bout you?
Liar.
Now, why don’t you get your sissy ass over there and strap on a bomb belt and walk into an Israeli pizzeria. They could use more terrorists, and less terrorist enablers over there.
Unlike you, we actually WANT to bring Osama to justice. Unlike who, who celebrates thats he’s on the loose.
Seriously, you know what pisses me off? I have 40 years of ammo stocked up waiting for you filthy hippies to get around to that “revolution” you keep yammering about, and you never deliver.
So…you’re a sociopath (or a psychopath)? That’s not a very good arguement.
I have no idea what you are talking about … I have not said anything about getting out of the country or treason (here)
So you’re admitting that you’ve said so elsewhere? Seems you can dish it out, but you sure can’t take it.
I must be keeping you “two”. Those homeless people won’t run over themselves.
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This is exactly how you post here, and your calling card, as above, is “Why do you hate America?”
The same style, the same structure, the same italicized quotes of someone else, and the stupid, cutesy one-liner from you afterward, in a line-by-line fashion.
That is you, Zython, and you are despicable. You embarrass every other liberal here.
Dennis, do you have anything to back up your accusation other than the fact that Zython posted on the same thread?
Yes, Quibbie, I do.
Here, on the same blog, Sadly, No!, a couple days later.
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zython said,
September 28, 2007 at 5:42
Lesley, I know this is a little after the fact, but I just read about them blaming you for that fake comment. I have taken the responsabily for it, as I was the one that posted it. I’m sorry I didn’t do so sooner.
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2007, huh. Seems like what happened then is over and done with now.
I see what the real issue is here. You have really poor priorities it seems to me that, to you have really screwed up priorities.
Scaring one’s own mother-in-law with veiled death threats: OK.
Poor internet etiquette: Worse than murder 1.
Also, it seems you don’t mind beth doing the same to Code Pink. Where’s your condemnation of her? Hmm…?
Zython-
You race-baited, despicably. You vehemently denied it several times. You let other people berate me for stating what you did.
You’re scum.
I’ll leave it to you to justify it as it pertains to her.
Quibbie, Jaim…what say you guys?
You’re scum.
You’ve made veiled death threats to your own mother-in-law. I don’t think you’re in any position to call anyone else “scum”.
I’ll leave it to you to justify it as it pertains to her.
Translation: IOKIYAR
Dennis, even if I DID do that (and I’m not saying I did), I would never admit it to you, because, frankly, you don’t deserve the sense of self-satisfaction. Also, I would still be a FAR better person than you or most of the conservative commenters here.
Zython, have you ever read the James Clavell novel, Shogun? Awesome, awesome book.
Read about the ritual of seppuku.
Read about the ritual of seppuku.
See, this is exactly what I’m talking about. I refrained from suggesting this sort of thing to you. You, on the other hand, have no problem with it.
Face it, Dennis, I’m the better man. You can either learn to deal with that, or you can try to improve yourself to become a better human being. Which is it.
By the way, I’m already pretty well-versed in the workings of feudal Japan. Thanks for the suggestion, though.
Great. Another one of these unending comment spats.
What does Stormfront have to say about all this, Dennis?
As you guys like to say….
QED.
Great. Another one of these unending comment spats.
Fair enough. I can’t trust Dennis to end it, so I will. Au revoir.
Thanks for answering my question promptly, Dennis.
For you, Quibbie, no problem. Now what say you about our resident race-baiting, sock-puppeting, lying snake?
I have nothing to add to this discussion.