Comments on: How You Know The Teabaggers Are Fake http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/11/how-you-know-the-teabaggers-are-fake/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Sat, 11 Feb 2012 06:30:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: jrfunkenstein http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/11/how-you-know-the-teabaggers-are-fake/#comment-171012 jrfunkenstein Thu, 13 Aug 2009 03:35:05 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16087#comment-171012 'Whose misinformed Dennis?' He's not misinformed; misguided, mistaken and misanthropic is more like it. ‘Whose misinformed Dennis?’

He’s not misinformed; misguided, mistaken and misanthropic is more like it.

]]> By: freD http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/11/how-you-know-the-teabaggers-are-fake/#comment-170899 freD Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:21:38 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16087#comment-170899 My bad. He’s a Larouche-nut. Making him out to be a democratic plant is a little like making McVeigh out to be a conservative activist. Whose misinformed Dennis? My bad. He’s a Larouche-nut. Making him out to be a democratic plant is a little like making McVeigh out to be a conservative activist. Whose misinformed Dennis?

]]> By: freD http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/11/how-you-know-the-teabaggers-are-fake/#comment-170882 freD Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:44:28 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16087#comment-170882 After the wingnut blogosphere does their usual incestuous crosslinking frenzy, it will be interesting to see what happens when the verifiable truth comes out. I’d find the guy’s name and ask him what he was doing and what he represents. After the wingnut blogosphere does their usual incestuous crosslinking frenzy, it will be interesting to see what happens when the verifiable truth comes out. I’d find the guy’s name and ask him what he was doing and what he represents.

]]> By: Dennis http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/11/how-you-know-the-teabaggers-are-fake/#comment-170845 Dennis Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:57:04 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16087#comment-170845 I call b.s. on you, Quaker in a Basement. Whatever it is you are calling b.s. on, you don't say. I call b.s. on you, Quaker in a Basement.

Whatever it is you are calling b.s. on, you don’t say.

]]> By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/11/how-you-know-the-teabaggers-are-fake/#comment-170801 Quaker in a Basement Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:24:20 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16087#comment-170801 Great Scott!! The man holding the Obama-as-Hitler poster was black!! He must be a plant!!! Once again, Dennis is passing off b.s. as fine shoe polish. Great Scott!!

The man holding the Obama-as-Hitler poster was black!! He must be a plant!!!

Once again, Dennis is passing off b.s. as fine shoe polish.

]]> By: Dennis http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/11/how-you-know-the-teabaggers-are-fake/#comment-170746 Dennis Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:14:50 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16087#comment-170746 Yes, Duros, speaking of fake.... <a href="http://theblogprof.blogspot.com/2009/08/busted-obama-as-hitler-poster-was.html" rel="nofollow"><b>BUSTED!: "Obama As Hitler" Poster Was A Democrat/Union Plant At John Dingell Townhall</b></a> This is who they are. Funny how liberals love to claim they are losing this battle because of Republican misinformation. Yes, Duros, speaking of fake….

BUSTED!: “Obama As Hitler” Poster Was A Democrat/Union Plant At John Dingell Townhall

This is who they are.

Funny how liberals love to claim they are losing this battle because of Republican misinformation.

]]> By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/11/how-you-know-the-teabaggers-are-fake/#comment-170739 Duros62 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:02:34 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16087#comment-170739 <i>Speaking of fake: http://bit.ly/UjxEq </i> That's great, suicidal. But what kind of counter tops does she have? Inquiring minds wanna know what's in her trash. Malkkkin-powers, ACTIVATE! Speaking of fake:

http://bit.ly/UjxEq

That’s great, suicidal. But what kind of counter tops does she have?
Inquiring minds wanna know what’s in her trash.

Malkkkin-powers, ACTIVATE!

]]> By: anotherbozo http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/11/how-you-know-the-teabaggers-are-fake/#comment-170737 anotherbozo Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:32:26 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16087#comment-170737 Are there any racists in Maryland, ya think? While the rest of us were feeling that adrenalin rush at Obama's victory last November, others were sitting around quietly stunned, and their paranoia/alienation has increased with the passage of time. Obama has continued to look black; Sotomayor is the new justice; and they think they're losing "their" country. As a white American I grew up with racists who never knew they were, so I know the patterns, the code words, the pathetic despair in the face of change. It was my foreign-born wife, political wonk who watches all the snippets of teabaggers and town-hall-meeting disrupters, who first insisted it's xenophobic racism that Beck and O'Reilly and Limbaugh and Savage and Palin (!) and all the others are exploiting as they peddle their vicious lies. MSNBC just interviewed one of the disrupters at Arlen Specter's meeting and it was a terrific "get": the man stumbled through his bizarre talking points, incoherent except for saying that he didn't trust anyone in government. The nut-job media give focus and direction to inchoate disaffection: a yell at a congressman doesn't have to be a complete sentence, let alone a complete thought. The kind of racist motivation I'm alleging unfortunately can't be proven, but look around and add up the signals. Are there any racists in Maryland, ya think? While the rest of us were feeling that adrenalin rush at Obama’s victory last November, others were sitting around quietly stunned, and their paranoia/alienation has increased with the passage of time. Obama has continued to look black; Sotomayor is the new justice; and they think they’re losing “their” country. As a white American I grew up with racists who never knew they were, so I know the patterns, the code words, the pathetic despair in the face of change. It was my foreign-born wife, political wonk who watches all the snippets of teabaggers and town-hall-meeting disrupters, who first insisted it’s xenophobic racism that Beck and O’Reilly and Limbaugh and Savage and Palin (!) and all the others are exploiting as they peddle their vicious lies. MSNBC just interviewed one of the disrupters at Arlen Specter’s meeting and it was a terrific “get”: the man stumbled through his bizarre talking points, incoherent except for saying that he didn’t trust anyone in government. The nut-job media give focus and direction to inchoate disaffection: a yell at a congressman doesn’t have to be a complete sentence, let alone a complete thought. The kind of racist motivation I’m alleging unfortunately can’t be proven, but look around and add up the signals.

]]> By: joaquin http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/11/how-you-know-the-teabaggers-are-fake/#comment-170735 joaquin Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:52:50 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16087#comment-170735 "Our legislature enacted health care legislation targeting big business long before it was a national cause" Targeting big business? What does that mean, Oliver?? How does that work when 80% of workers don't work for BIG BUSINESS. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that you have very little business background and or business experience. “Our legislature enacted health care legislation targeting big business long before it was a national cause”

Targeting big business? What does that mean, Oliver??
How does that work when 80% of workers don’t work for BIG BUSINESS.
I’m going to go out on a limb and assume that you have very little business background and or business experience.

]]> By: some guy http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/11/how-you-know-the-teabaggers-are-fake/#comment-170734 some guy Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:44:01 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16087#comment-170734 Hmmm. Try this "teabagger" on for size. Well-known investor and Liberal, Warren Buffett, has come out *against* Deadbeatonomics. From Ed Morrisey's blog: It turns out that Warren Buffett had a lot more to say on Deadbeatonomics and how Barack Obama runs the White House yesterday than just criticizing Card Check. The notable Obama supporter also attacked the President’s overall handling of the economic crisis and the rhetoric about not "wasting a good crisis". Oops. Looks like another blow struck against Obama. Hmmm. Try this “teabagger” on for size. Well-known investor and Liberal, Warren Buffett, has come out *against* Deadbeatonomics.

From Ed Morrisey’s blog:

It turns out that Warren Buffett had a lot more to say on Deadbeatonomics and how Barack Obama runs the White House yesterday than just criticizing Card Check. The notable Obama supporter also attacked the President’s overall handling of the economic crisis and the rhetoric about not “wasting a good crisis”.

Oops. Looks like another blow struck against Obama.

]]> By: Dennis http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/11/how-you-know-the-teabaggers-are-fake/#comment-170733 Dennis Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:32:04 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16087#comment-170733 Maybe Sen. Ben Cardin needs to read this: <a href="http://michellemalkin.com/2009/08/12/the-illustrated-guide-to-obamacare-human-props/" rel="nofollow">The Illustrated Guide to Obamacare Human Props</a> - <a href="http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=911911" rel="nofollow">Young girls used as plants</a> to ask him why Republicans carry signs outside the hall that say 'mean' things is always a nice touch, too. Maybe Sen. Ben Cardin needs to read this:

The Illustrated Guide to Obamacare Human Props
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Young girls used as plants to ask him why Republicans carry signs outside the hall that say ‘mean’ things is always a nice touch, too.

]]> By: Buzz Killington http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/11/how-you-know-the-teabaggers-are-fake/#comment-170730 Buzz Killington Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:01:00 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16087#comment-170730 A majority of the public is opposed to the current bill, and 44% strongly oppose it in the latest polling. These protests should come as no surprise, anywhere. The suggestion that it must one must be fake simply because 73% of the people generally approve of the President indicates a strong case of denial. Even in the "best" case, 27% of the people in Maryland could form a decent protest. A majority of the public is opposed to the current bill, and 44% strongly oppose it in the latest polling. These protests should come as no surprise, anywhere. The suggestion that it must one must be fake simply because 73% of the people generally approve of the President indicates a strong case of denial.

Even in the “best” case, 27% of the people in Maryland could form a decent protest.

]]> By: durablend http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/11/how-you-know-the-teabaggers-are-fake/#comment-170727 durablend Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:57:58 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16087#comment-170727 <i>960,000 ghosts voted for John McCain in Maryland. </i> Wow Jay...finally admitting that you guys are having the dead vote for people? I thought only Demoncrats did that? 960,000 ghosts voted for John McCain in Maryland.

Wow Jay…finally admitting that you guys are having the dead vote for people? I thought only Demoncrats did that?

]]> By: El Cid http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/11/how-you-know-the-teabaggers-are-fake/#comment-170716 El Cid Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:19:38 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16087#comment-170716 I think that evidence like this may suggest that they are <i>not representative</i> of an area, or at least that they may be traveling anywhere from short to long distances <i>within</i> a state, but I think you'd look at other types of evidence if you wanted to prove that they were 'fake'. I'm sure there were anti-war protests held in areas / states which were overwhelmingly (by many measures) 'conservative', and this might mean that the protestors were not typical of an area, but maybe there had been a particularly intense and maybe even well-organized outreach by some group or movement to get turnouts of anti-war protests. I have lived in areas which were astoundingly conservative, yet I was there, and had any national organization really aimed at a protest / turnout for some local city hall, people there might have <i>thought</i> I was a trucked in space alien, but it would have just meant that up until then I didn't feel like sharing my political views with my neighbors. Unless of course I had claimed to be a farmer or doctor and I wasn't, or had recited some inaccurate script of my experiences, or if I represented some particular material interest group and lied and said I wasn't. I think that evidence like this may suggest that they are not representative of an area, or at least that they may be traveling anywhere from short to long distances within a state, but I think you’d look at other types of evidence if you wanted to prove that they were ‘fake’.

I’m sure there were anti-war protests held in areas / states which were overwhelmingly (by many measures) ‘conservative’, and this might mean that the protestors were not typical of an area, but maybe there had been a particularly intense and maybe even well-organized outreach by some group or movement to get turnouts of anti-war protests.

I have lived in areas which were astoundingly conservative, yet I was there, and had any national organization really aimed at a protest / turnout for some local city hall, people there might have thought I was a trucked in space alien, but it would have just meant that up until then I didn’t feel like sharing my political views with my neighbors.

Unless of course I had claimed to be a farmer or doctor and I wasn’t, or had recited some inaccurate script of my experiences, or if I represented some particular material interest group and lied and said I wasn’t.

]]> By: daniel rotter http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/11/how-you-know-the-teabaggers-are-fake/#comment-170712 daniel rotter Wed, 12 Aug 2009 05:34:16 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16087#comment-170712 Oliver, admit it, Maryland is not a monolithically Democratic state. Oliver, admit it, Maryland is not a monolithically Democratic state.

]]> By: Bruce http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/11/how-you-know-the-teabaggers-are-fake/#comment-170711 Bruce Wed, 12 Aug 2009 05:14:49 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16087#comment-170711 The bigger point is, what is the purpose of a town hall? I mean in reality, not in some goofball civics textbook. The point, both for supporters and critics of the health care reform proposals, is political theater, not to "represent" anything. It's not to get new ideas expressed; that could be done far more efficiently in other ways. It's to provide political theater, period. That said, Oliver's basic point is valid. The pool of people opposed to these proposals and presumably to Obama and Cardin generally was disproportionately present compared to the demographics of either Maryland as a whole or of a 15-mile radius extending from the venue. Relatively few people hate Cardin; people hate Mikulski, O'Malley and other Dem pols, but Cardin is known as such a nice guy that, legend has it, when he considered running for the presidency of his synagogue, he was warned that he was too nice a guy for "shul politics." The bigger point is, what is the purpose of a town hall? I mean in reality, not in some goofball civics textbook.

The point, both for supporters and critics of the health care reform proposals, is political theater, not to “represent” anything. It’s not to get new ideas expressed; that could be done far more efficiently in other ways. It’s to provide political theater, period.

That said, Oliver’s basic point is valid. The pool of people opposed to these proposals and presumably to Obama and Cardin generally was disproportionately present compared to the demographics of either Maryland as a whole or of a 15-mile radius extending from the venue. Relatively few people hate Cardin; people hate Mikulski, O’Malley and other Dem pols, but Cardin is known as such a nice guy that, legend has it, when he considered running for the presidency of his synagogue, he was warned that he was too nice a guy for “shul politics.”

]]> By: bbuma http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/11/how-you-know-the-teabaggers-are-fake/#comment-170706 bbuma Wed, 12 Aug 2009 04:42:08 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16087#comment-170706 It's time to invoke GOP rules and relegate the teabaggers to areas a mile away from the town halls. In fact, just name them George W Bush Free Speech Zones. It’s time to invoke GOP rules and relegate the teabaggers to areas a mile away from the town halls. In fact, just name them George W Bush Free Speech Zones.

]]> By: Jay http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/11/how-you-know-the-teabaggers-are-fake/#comment-170703 Jay Wed, 12 Aug 2009 04:14:54 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16087#comment-170703 Since when are townhall meetings supposed to be a "reflection" of a the particular political demographics of a state? And how does it prove they're "fake"? More people opposed to the Democrats health care plan showed up than those that support it. What's the big deal? Since when are townhall meetings supposed to be a “reflection” of a the particular political demographics of a state? And how does it prove they’re “fake”? More people opposed to the Democrats health care plan showed up than those that support it. What’s the big deal?

]]> By: Oliver Willis http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/11/how-you-know-the-teabaggers-are-fake/#comment-170699 Oliver Willis Wed, 12 Aug 2009 03:57:38 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16087#comment-170699 No, but they're almost outnumbered 2-1 by the 1.6 million who voted for Obama here. The townhall with almost all con voices in attendance is not a reflection of Maryland. No, but they’re almost outnumbered 2-1 by the 1.6 million who voted for Obama here. The townhall with almost all con voices in attendance is not a reflection of Maryland.

]]> By: Zython http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/11/how-you-know-the-teabaggers-are-fake/#comment-170698 Zython Wed, 12 Aug 2009 03:51:38 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=16087#comment-170698 <i>960,000 ghosts voted for John McCain in Maryland.</i> To be fair, McCain, being half-dead himself, got huge support from the undead community. 960,000 ghosts voted for John McCain in Maryland.

To be fair, McCain, being half-dead himself, got huge support from the undead community.

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