Tea Party Mob: No Government In Medicare!
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Nope, that’s legit. Sasha Baron Cohen couldn’t pull off a plant job like that. That level of wingnuttery (i.e., Average Fox News Viewer)is gods-given.
I suspect we’ll soon hear from the staff of The Corner that the liberals incited and egged on protesters to say “Keep Government out of Medicare” in a bid to make them look bad.
Bah! No way is that not a prankster.
Cons being cons
There you go again…
LOL, I love the lib in there trying to block the others sign.
She’ll make a good Pelosi clone someday, no stifiling debate or free speech here; move along…
Suicidal, since you believe all government involvement in health-care is wrong, do you think Medicare should be stripped away from seniors?
Serious question, meaning I doubt I’ll get a serious answer.
She’ll make a good Pelosi clone someday, no stifiling debate or free speech here; move along…
Yes, please. Let’s all sit down and have a reasonable debate with the person who doesn’t want the government to run medicare.
Get the oxygen out of my air!
LOL, I love the lib in there trying to block the others sign.
Translated: “LOOK OVER THERE!!!!”
So when are you righties going to rip up and burn your Medicare cards in protest?
“Bah! No way is that not a prankster.”
‘Fraid not, Quaker. I heard the same sentiment on the tape of another town hall meeting, spoken with real vehemence by an angry senior.
Makes me ashamed to be 66… so many fools and racists in our ranks…
Obamacare in dire need of medical attention
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Rassmussen Poll: Support for Congressional Health Care Reform Falls to New Low
Public support for the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats has fallen to a new low as just 42% of U.S. voters now favor the plan. That’s down five points from two weeks ago and down eight points from six weeks ago.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that opposition to the plan has increased to 53%, up nine points since late June.
More significantly, 44% of voters strongly oppose the health care reform effort versus 26% who strongly favor it. Intensity has been stronger among opponents of the plan since the debate began…..
….Most notable, however, is the opposition among voters not affiliated with either party. Sixty-two percent (62%) of unaffiliated voters oppose the health care plan, and 51% are strongly opposed. This marks an uptick in strong opposition among both Republicans and unaffiliateds, while the number of strongly supportive Democrats is unchanged.
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Robert Reich Slams Obama’s cutting a deal with Big-pharma
Dennis, I wouldn’t be surprised if those polls are accurate. But the question is why. Why are the polls in favor of health care reform falling? And the answer that that seems obvious – the bullshit artists and assorted talking heads on the right have led many of the ignorant masses to believe that Obama is going to harvest their internal organs, kill Grandma, and bring everyone with a hangnail in front of government “death panels” to determine whether they live or die.
Your side is lying. Your side is making shit up to scare people and get them to freak out and oppose health care reform. People are so unbelievably ignorant of the bill, and believe such stupid shit about it, it’s absolutely incredible.
So, do the ends justify the means, Dennis? I would say no, but I think many people on the conservative side of the coin would say yes. The right-wing has had a very long history of this tactic, and it’s absolutely ridiculous – stoking peoples’ fears rather than appealing to their intellect. Where are your scruples? This is dishonest, unethical behavior, and it’s absolute horseshit.
This is dishonest, unethical behavior, and it’s absolute horseshit.
It’s all they got, mambo. You’ll note that Dennis has quit bringing up actual issues about health care reform after he was caught out making wild-ass statements about “Put Granny in Perma-Sleep” and then later admitted he had no idea what was actually in the bill.
Quaker, it’s really sick. The lengths that some will go to to distort and lie to further their own political agenda makes me alternately furious and depressed. I feel that the voice of reason gets drowned out in the cacophony of liars and blithering idiots far too often in this country. It’s a damned shame.
Quibbie, please stop hyperventilating. To you and the much calmer and reasonable mambochicken, neither the ‘kill Grandma’ nor ‘death panels’ rhetoric are the reason this bill is going over like a lead balloon.
Remind me of my wild-ass statement, Quaker, and then please show me where I admitted I had no idea what was in the bill.
Dennis, do you think that the disinformation spread about this bill has no effect on popular opinion? Presumably, yes. If so, how do you reconcile your position with the countless videos of protests, where people are holding signs with emblazoned lies, and disrupting town halls with information that is clearly irrational and fear-based, and not based in reality?
YOU might not oppose this bill based on lies and misinformation, but surely a lot of people do. That’s what I am referring to – the tide of public opinion can be swayed by appealing to emotion rather than reason, and that’s what Fox News and Republican jerkoffs are doing right now with health care reform.
So, I ask again. Dennis, do the ends justify the means? Is it appropriate for lawmakers, talking heads, and radio personalities to just make shit up to try and defeat this bill?
I say no. You?
Remind me of my wild-ass statement, Quaker
As you wish.
August 7 at 12:35 p.m.
And then, August 7 at 7:21 p.m.:
And finally, August 7 at 3:14 p.m.:
The answer to that last question, BTW, is: it’s in there because a Republican senator offered it as an amendment.
Quibbie, that’s not a wild-ass statement, nor is it an admission that I had no idea what was in the bill. I asked why it was in there, because the language along with statements made by Rahm Emmanuel’s brother and the necessity of cost containment of this very expensive bill could lead someone to question what may eventually happen at some point in the future to be people in the later stages of life. If you don’t think Democrats don’t question things that scare the shit out of seniors or have never used language that tends to get seniors riled up, almost always right before an election, you are smoking dope.
You and fafaroo and mambo can bitch about Republicans all you want. call them dumb and call them devious liars, but the reason this bill is sucking is because Obama and his people are trying to sell shit on a stick. Even they had the goods, they wouldn’t need to demonize anyone.
And neither would you.
Should’ve been ‘if they had the goods’….
And Quibbie, why are you and fafaroo turning into the Keith Olbermann’s of this blog all of a sudden? All I have to do is watch his show to know what your line of attack will be the next day.
WTF is this end of life counseling that’s in the bill, anyway. Why is it even in there?
You carry on about end of life counseling and ask “What is it? Why is it in there?” Sounds to me like you didn’t know what was in the bill.
All I have to do is watch his show to know what your line of attack will be the next day.
News to me. I don’t have cable and I don’t watch TV.
…but the reason this bill is sucking is because Obama and his people are trying to sell shit on a stick.
And yet, Dennis, you were here peddling complete falsehoods about the bill.
You’ve being trying to weasel your way out of it for days now, but the one thing you haven’t done is presented any evidence, especially not language from the bill itself, to back up any of your mischaracterizations.
If the bill was so much “shit on a stick.” as you say, why do you feel the need to spread made up stuff about it?
Why haven’t you presented a single, specific criticism of the bill as written that isn’t completely and utterly false?
And if I did have cable and I did watch TV, I still wouldn’t waste my time on that clown Olbermann.
Even they had the goods, they wouldn’t need to demonize anyone.
God, Dennis, I can’t believe you could even write this. You must be joking.
You linked to an NRO post that was a complete fabrication.
If you had the goods, you, NRO and much of the right wing noise machine wouldn’t need to lie about the bill.
All you have are scare tactics. That’s it.
I see.
You were once again gulled by the same “experts” (who have lied right in your face time after time) that Zeke Emmaneul said some scaaaary things. That, along with your in depth knowledge of the language of the bill, plus your economic analysis of the bill’s impact led you to consider the questions “someone” might raise at “some point in the future.” So you expressed your uncertainty by writing:
Is that the story you want to go with?
BTW, if you’re really interested in what leading medical ethicist Dr. Emmanuel has to say, you might seek a second opinion.
OMG, Palin said they are gonna kill her baby, oh noez, the black socialist muslim hate whhyyte peepulll, help me Glen Beck I want my country back!
And, once again, the answer to your question is: because a conservative Republican Senator put it in there.
Eugene Robinson, Pulitzer Prize-winning newspaper columnist and former assistant managing editor for The Washington Post, makes up wild-ass statements and admits he doesn’t know what’s in the health-care bill and dishonestly engages in scare tactics:
All Eugene has is scare tactics. That’s it, fafaroo.
Wait till Keith gives him the patented disgusted look and the much-deserved Edward R. Murrow ‘Have you no shame, sir’ tongue-lashing tonight.
Dennis, are you going to answer my question? Or do you concede?
If it makes you feel any better, Dennis, you could think of the “end-of-life counseling” provisions as the Terri Schiavo amendment. The aim of the bill is to allow patients to discuss end-of-life care with their doctors while they’re healthy and able. They can decide for themselves what measures they want taken to prolong their lives if they later become unable to communicate their wishes to the families or doctors.
If you think all this gives the federal government a dangerous authority over the elderly and infrim, you might share your opinion with Sen. John Isakson (R-Ga). He’s the one that inserted the current language into the bill.
Dennis, are you going to answer my question? Or do you concede?
Dennis concedes. Like Dennis always does.
I note this passage wasn’t bolded by you Dennis:
That’s exactly the swill you were pushing here.
As to the rest of it, he is not actually saying the the government is going to end care for elderly patients. It isn’t in the bill either.
While it’s reasonable for people to be concerned, there is nothing in the bill that says people will be forced off care and left to die because they’re costing too much.
You and NRO and Palin and other take reasonable concern and stoke it into fear and anger.
You did exactly what Eugene Robinson referred to as irresponsible.
He’s being polite.
And I note you didn’t cite this section of the editorial:
Just to put a point to it, Robsinon writes:
And here’s what you wrote, Dennis:
And then, so predictably, you linked to a completely false NRO article saying EXACTLY what Robinson called irresponsible, outlandish and false:
http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/08/07/swastikas-sighted-at-anti-healthcare-gop-mob/#comments
So, Dennis, by the standards of Eugene Robinson, Pulitzer Prize-winning newspaper columnist and former assistant managing editor for The Washington Post, you are irresponsible, outlandish and false.
fafaroo-
Just who here with erasonable concerns do you think I stoked fear and anger by screwing around with you?
Seriously. How many seniors here in the later stages of life do you think lurk around here for their information on health care, and then take it from people who post here, much less me???
You’re the rebel without a cause here, dude.
You need to channel your energies somewhere else. I’ve never even attended a tea party- the first one here was too damn cold and the other one was too damn hot.
Further more, this passage from the NRO article:
Is patently false as the bill describes advanced care counseling as taking place between a doctor, the patient and/or a nurse practitioner.
No mention at all of a medical review board being involved.
The section that describes advanced care consultation explictly states that patients can opt for “FULL TREATMENT” in response to life threatening emergencies.
The bill only asks that doctors advise patients every five years that they put such instructions in writing.
It also asks doctors to advise patients that palliative and hospice care are available and funded by the program.
Hospice care is significantly less expensive and more dignified than keeping terminally patients in hospital beds. That’s wher the usggested cost savings would come from, not from terminating someone’s life but rather transferring already terminally ill patients to hospice care where they can receive end of life care.
The bottom line, Dennis, is you have no idea what’s in the bill. You simply regurgitate what you hear on talk radio and then go apeshit when yo get called on it.
Now if you would like to refute anything I’ve said, please feel free to quote the offending passages from the bill itself.
Can you do that?
Seriously. How many seniors here in the later stages of life do you think lurk around here for their information on health care, and then take it from people who post here, much less me???
What a pathetic excuse.
But Eugene Robinson, Pulitzer Prize-winning newspaper columnist and former assistant managing editor for The Washington Post, thinks my mother-in-law, Granny (and Aunt Siliva) have justifiable reasons to be freaked out.
It’s not what’s in there, fafaroo, it’s what’s not in there that could be left open to interpretation at some point in the future at the hands of a government run amok by people like Rahm Emmanuel and his brother.
It’s not what’s in there, fafaroo, it’s what’s not in there that could be left open to interpretation at some point in the future at the hands of a government run amok by people like Rahm Emmanuel and his brother.
Bravo!
That is as far as I have ever seen anyone move goalposts all at once.
For days you have been spouting disinformation about what is in the bill. Suddenly “it’s not what’s in there” that really matters!
A masterpiece!
Four days ago I said something about Granny being justifiably concerned, per Pulitzer Prize winning journalist and former assistant managing editor for The Washington Post Eugene Robinson, Quaker in a Basement. I haven’t been spouting disinformation for days about what is in the bill. As a matter of fact, you and your cohort have been doing nothing but chide me for not addressing it.
Which one is it? You two need to converse a little and get your games in sync.
Four days ago I said something about Granny being justifiably concerned, …
Dennis, what you said is directly above. What you said was that Granny should be concerned about Obama’s ‘Put Granny to Perma-sleep Program.’
Please cite the language in the bill that someone might misinterpret to authorize euthanasia.
But Eugene Robinson, Pulitzer Prize-winning newspaper columnist and former assistant managing editor for The Washington Post, thinks my mother-in-law, Granny (and Aunt Siliva) have justifiable reasons to be freaked out.
Dennis, he said they have reason to be concerned but explictly stated they do not have to be worried about YOU said they should be worried about which is government review boards deciding to pull the plug on them.
fafaroo-
Do you think Obama, the President of the United States of America and leader of the free world, has not been engaging in some serious misinformation? Even if you honestly believed that what I wrote has no basis in reality, nor ever could, I ask you, what difference does it make? Especially compared to some of the things Obama has said about it’s cost, how it wouldn’t add to the deficit, and how no tax increase on the middle class will ever happen.
I admire your dogged pursuit of trying to help me understand the language of the health care bill and sharing your clairvoyance of what the intent of the legislators who wrote the bill had in mind, but like I said, your energy is sorely misplaced.
I say that as a compassionate conservative.
I haven’t been spouting disinformation for days about what is in the bill. As a matter of fact, you and your cohort have been doing nothing but chide me for not addressing it.
This is delusion. We have been at you constantly for your misrepresentations of what is in the bill. It is only after you have been shown to be wrong that you choose to “not address it.”
I have been addressing it, Quibbie. You want to blame me because Ganny, my mother-in-law and Aunt Silvia aren’t legal experts or aren’t trusting of Obama’s government, neither now nor in the very uncertain future regarding what happens with our health care system, when you should be blaming Obama, who is doing an abominable job of putting their fears at ease. You seem to think it’s my fault for both Obama’s plummeting poll numbers and overall sentiment about the healthcare bill as it now stands.
And that’s just weird.
You want to blame me because Ganny, my mother-in-law and Aunt Silvia aren’t legal experts or aren’t trusting of Obama’s government …
Oh man. Now you’re blaming your in laws for what you wrote?
That’s just sad, dude. Just pathetic and sad.
I admire your dogged pursuit of trying to help me understand the language of the health care bill and sharing your clairvoyance of what the intent of the legislators who wrote the bill had in mind, but like I said, your energy is sorely misplaced.
Dennis, I think the intent of the section in question is quite clear.
There is definitely nothing said or unsaid in the bill would authorize euthanasia or termination of life support against a patient’s wishes.
Clairvoyance is not required to understand that.
But let me ask you a straight forward question.
Have you actually read section 1233 of the bill?
Yes or no.
No, not at all, fafaroo. You love putting words in other people’s mouths, don’t you? THAT is pathetic and sad, just like your cutesy little “Fixed” thing on here. Like you’re still playing out on the teeter-totter at recess.
Bizarre. Strowbridge leaves and you assume his character.
Seniors are nervous and confused. They are, not because of me, and not all because of Republicans. They are because of Obama and Democrats. Precious few of you complain about them. A little, and I’ll give Oliver and a few others credit for that, but for the most part, you still go to the well and blame Republicans and conservatives for Democratic impotence.
when you should be blaming Obama, who is doing an abominable job of putting their fears at ease
“Never mind this gasoline can right here in my hands. The real fault lies with the fire department for not extinguishing this blaze instantly!”
Don Surber’s Quote of the Day:
That’s geat, Dennis. Thank you for admitting that you haven’t read the bill.
I can only guess that your excuse is that since you’re too fucking stupid to figure out what it means yourself, you’ve outsourced responsibility for understanding it to people like Rush Limbaugh.
That pretty much sums it all up, right there, Dennis.
Always back to the gradeschool hijinks for you, fafaroo. Putting words in people’s mouths.
A sure sign that you’ve lost the battle.
Always back to the gradeschool hijinks for you, fafaroo. Putting words in people’s mouths.
As the old saying goes: What’s good for the sheep is good for the flock.
And, once again, the answer to your question is: because a conservative Republican Senator put it in there.
I don’t think that can be stressed enough.
OMG, Palin said they are gonna kill her baby, oh noez, the black socialist muslim hate whhyyte peepulll, help me Glen Beck I want my country back!
Get in line, pal. Right behind Sitting Bull.
Out, damn tags!