Don’t mess with us nerds, wing-nuts!

Hmm… who should I believe here… anonymous right-wing trolls or the smartest man alive? Hmmm…. right-wing idiots, world’s smartest living human being… god, this one is a toughie.

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8 search (in this section referred to as the ‘Center’) to
9 conduct, support, and synthesize research (including
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Imagine! Research on which treatments actually work! The fascist bastards!

SaveFarris, I have to call you on this one because it’s a lie. In our current system what insurance company offers a policy that covers anything that was diagnosed and rejected by another insurance company? That’s a pre-existing condition.

A few legitimate questions: Have you ever had a family member in the final years of their life draft a living will?

Why do you see a living will and other end of life planning as a bad thing? Do you agree with IBD’s assertion that pages 425-430 of the House bill are setting up a NICE like agency?

Finally, unless you have even a single instance of either someone with Motor Neuron Disease or a baby with Down Syndrome being denied care by NICE you really need to stop making these bad faith arguments.

Trig Palin is (as far as I know) *NOT* a famous astrophysicist, so if he were to appear before NICE (or whatever the American equivalent becomes), I doubt he’d get the same consideration.

I have English friends who have a down syndrome child so I know that they would and do provide care to children with down syndrome. Also, after speaking to them they laughed at your entire “appear before NICE” because it’s not a panel that people appear before and never gets involved in individual decisions. (lie?) Plus they can pay for private care if they like even though your example says that they can’t. (lie?)

Oh, for..

THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! EVER!

And if it ever does, I’ll be right there with you against it.

Under the proposed legislation, the government would make these decisions only for “the public option”–health insurance offered by the government. That’s not the only choice. There will still be employer-provided insurance offered by insurance companies. There will still be individual coverage (again, offered by insurance companies) sold through an insurance exchange.

If the government, as underwriter of the public option, won’t pay for a given treatment, my options are exactly the same as they are today.

Indeed. Where is that provision in the bill? I can’t find it.

Do you even have health insurance? It does NOT work that way.

Farris, there is no “death panel” either in the current legislation or in the UK.

You can pretend there is, but that is your illusion, not reality. There is no panel that decides what treatments Dr. Hawking gets. There will be no panel that decides what treatments Trig Palin gets.

That stuff is made up, misleading, fake, phony, and bogus.

Insurance companies make that decision every day. It’s called “death by spreadsheet.” What recourse do you have when THEY do it?

Um, no. A pre-existing condition will keep you from getting other coverage.

Do you even begin to understand how the current system works? We already have “death panels,” and they’re called insurance company lawyers and accountants.

Quaker, if you don’t like the decision made by your insurance company vis a vi a particular treatment, what are your options? You can change policies or, heaven forbid, pay for it in cash. It may not be optimal, but as a famous Alabama distance runner once said: “S#*t happens”.

Now, if the government decides they’re not paying for a particular treatment, what recourse do you have?

Well, according to your immediately preceding paragraph, he would “heaven forbid, pay for it in cash”.

Or are you now suggesting that a gubmit death panel would bar you from receiving any care they didn’t like?

Second, you might have a case about “legitimate questions” going unanswered if you hadn’t led off with “double dumbass”. Want to get a legitimate question answered? Act like a grownup.

Besides, I did answer your question, even if snarkily. The British version of the “death panel” wasn’t created until 1999, at which time Hawking had already made his name as a world renouned scientist. And therefore had enough left to offer to society to offset the cost of his care. Trig Palin is (as far as I know) *NOT* a famous astrophysicist, so if he were to appear before NICE (or whatever the American equivalent becomes), I doubt he’d get the same consideration.

Quaker, if you don’t like the decision made by your insurance company vis a vi a particular treatment, what are your options? You can change policies or, heaven forbid, pay for it in cash. It may not be optimal, but as a famous Alabama distance runner once said: “S#*t happens”.

Now, if the government decides they’re not paying for a particular treatment, what recourse do you have? Little to none short of expatriation. And that’s why a majority of Americans are opposed to ObamaCare.