God, you guys still try and bring this out?

There will be no job losses. There will be net job gains, since people making more money buy more things, and those things need to be manufactured and sold.

Take an econ course, for God’s sake.

That said, this is a good sign but we’re still not out of the woods yet. Bush had eight years to fuck things up, Obamas has had a little over six months to fix them. We owe him at least two years, and the American people can make their own decision in the 2010 and 2012 elections.

If you are counting Clinton in that, he has 2 people to thank for it: Newt Gengrich & Bill Gates.

/that is all.

Uh… say what now? 2 words for you my friend: Jim Jeffords.

Dennis, here you go, nothing gimmicky about it. There are better ones, but you can’t beat the price, and for a weekend tinkerer it’s more than adequate. Buy and be happy!

Thanks, and have a nice long weekend. Actually it was the battery operated wrench and some of the cordless drills that I thought looked cool but was wondering if they might be somewhat gimmicky. But I’ll take a look at this saw.

Okay, I will explain: they did not have a big enough majority in either house to effect any positive change against the will of the administration, but they did prevent, if only by deterrence, the adminsitration from doing any more damage than it had already done over the past 6.5 years in concert with the Republican controlled congress. Hence any blame they have for the current economic mess is miniscule in comparison.

I’m off for a long weekend, will check your detailed demolition of my point, if you have one, when I get back.

If Obama creates one single job as president, he’s doing a better job than Bush.

Not a single job was created between 2001-2009?

He’s already done a better job when it comes to the DOW.

We can all feel better about ourselves when it comes to 2012 and we see whether or not Barry fixed the Bush Recession. All signs point to the fact that he will.

Buzz, maybe you can remind me how many economy-busting programs the (barely) Democratic congress enacted in 2007-8 over the vetoes of pres. Bush.

I guess it’s my fault for not phrasing it in the form of a question with a question mark at the end, but it is that “question” to which I was referring. Anything to say about that?

Dennis, here you go, nothing gimmicky about it. There are better ones, but you can’t beat the price, and for a weekend tinkerer it’s more than adequate. Buy and be happy!

I will try to remember that next year, thanks. Hope you do too.

buying one of those neat-o Black and Decker cordless reciprocating saws?

Which one is that, Wilbur? Black and Decker has been coming up with some decent stuff lately, I just never know if some of it is too gimicky or not. I will say this though, going into Home Depot and Lowes is a lot more pleasurable lately with their sales off. People are a lot more helpful, that’s for sure.

Wilbur, the retort to my question, “What about the mess the Democratic Congress created/added since 2006? Are we recovering from that, too?” was apparently “Do you guys like walking around with your hands on your eyes?”

So implicitly, yes, I take that to mean Democrats can do no wrong.

specifically to address your question. Your satisfaction with my answer does not change the fact that it was an answer.

The fact that you can’t answer the question I asked you originally, which pretty much invalidates your comment: it doesn’t matter much if dems were in power in congress in 2007-8 if they didn’t accomplish anything that pres. Bush didn’t agree with (or in fact, initiate: TARP, remember, was an administration initiative).

From the article Save Farris loves to link to, dated May 29, 2001:

But, now that [Bush has] offered himself as the economy’s savior, say some Republicans, he has potentially opened himself up for a big hit if six months from now people still feel the country isn’t going in the right direction.

So the author was giving Bush a whole Friedman unit after 5/29. Write back to us after 11/29, SaveFarris.

You’re welcome, Wilbur. But I’m afraid Oliver would characterize you as having your hands over your eyes…

Can’t speak for Oliver, but I doubt it. He’s optimistic, so am I. Doesn’t mean either of us think that we’re completely out of the woods or that there aren’t some potholes in the road ahead.

Look, children, nothing that Obama has done so far could have much of an effect on the metrics that you all are pointing to as evidence of his epic failure. For instance, the stimulus may not work in the long run, but there is no way – no way at all – that it could be causing unemployment to increase already. The dynamics causing unemployment were in progress before Obama took office.

So its far too early to tell if we’re well on the road to recovery, but the signs look good so far. Instead of griping and sniping on some internet site why not show your confidence in America by going out and buying one of those neat-o Black and Decker cordless reciprocating saws?

So implicitly, yes, I take that to mean Democrats can do no wrong. What inadequacies could I be making up for that comment, anyway?

Dennis, thank you for reminding us that there are no immediate miracles.

You’re welcome, Wilbur. But I’m afraid Oliver would characterize you as having your hands over your eyes not to see the obvious full recovery we are in because of this week’s jobless claims being 550,000 instead of 580,000. You’re being thrown under the bus, a popular pasttime for liberals apparently.

Even so, many retail chains reported sluggish July sales Thursday as consumers proved reluctant to spend. Mall-based chains, such as Macy’s Inc. and teen retailers Abercrombie & Fitch, were the hardest hit as shoppers focused on necessities.

Stocks fell slightly in early-afternoon trading. The Dow Jones industrial average lost about 15 points, while broader stock averages also declined.

When emergency extensions of unemployment are included, the total jobless benefit rolls climbed to a record 9.35 million for the week ending July 18, the most recent period for which figures are available. Congress has added up to 53 extra weeks of benefits on top of the 26 typically provided by the states.

Despite the decline in new jobless claims, they remain far above the 300,000 to 350,000 that analysts say is consistent with a healthy economy. New claims last fell below 300,000 in early 2007.

The recession, which began in December 2007 and is the longest since World War II, has eliminated a net total of 6.5 million jobs. The unemployment rate is expected to rise to 9.6 percent when the July figure is reported Friday.

More job cuts were announced this week. The publisher of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel said it would slash 92 jobs as the current advertising slump continues to ravage the newspaper business. Elsewhere, about 6,000 General Motors Co. blue-collar workers have taken the latest round of early retirement and buyout offers. But GM wants to cut about 13,500 workers, setting the stage for more layoffs.

We’ve turned the corner!!!!

Sorry Duros. I know you don’t want to hear it, but it’s Barack Obama’s economy now.