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Man, I miss the good old days of Bush Assassination Chic…
J.
Or the guy who hanged the Sarah Palin mannikin from his rooftop for Halloween. That was HILARIOUS!
J.
Jay Tea: lolzzzzz. Are these libs serious?
It’s like they walked around with their heads up their ass for 8 years.
It’s like they walked around with their heads up their ass for 8 years.
Self-parody never goes out of style.
OK, I actually read the article… sounds like they’re suggesting Dodd — an advocate of government-funded health care — avail himself to the “treatment” prescribed by the state of Oregon to one cancer sufferer — they won’t pay for her chemotherapy, but will cover other treatments — included physician-assisted suicide.
And I understand why Oliver didn’t mention the Palin mannequin hanging — nooses on white people don’t count.
Here’s the video, for those who forgot (conveniently, in some cases) about it:
http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/archive/2008/10/29/video-sarah-palin-mannequin-hanging-by-noose.aspx
J.
Wow. Right wingers are unfamiliar with the concept of Halloween? Or did they conveniently forget…
Gabriel, it’s an application of one of Oliver’s favorite acronyms: IOKIYAR.
It’s OK If You’re Attacking Republicans.
That makes all the difference.
J.
You have a really good memory about all this stuff, Jay. Hey, can you remind me which Republican lobbying group paid for the Sarah Palin mennequin?
(Guess it was a good idea not to ask what Republican group paid for the Sarah Palin dummy)
Feel free to share with the class, August…
J.
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/08/04/how-quickly-they-forget/
ahahahaha….look at those LEFT WING MOBS!! ahhh scary scary
Seriously! Why are we not breaking down the doors of the lobbying firms funding those lunatics?
August, they did a test-run with busing people out to the homes of bank executives and occupying foreclosed homes — and it kinda didn’t work out so well.
A fairly smart move, if you ask me…
J.
Wow, someone needs to e-mail Michelle Malkin and tell her that her site’s not working right. I mean, Rep. Frank Kratovil turns up only three times on her site, and none of the results bring up her condemning when he was hung in effigy.
It’s tragic too, since single anecdotes are truly the only way you can make an effective point.
Here we go again with wingnuts playing the game ‘false equivalence’
They just rush to their files to come up with some examples of supposedly similar behaviour, and they snort, SEE TEH LIBZ DID IT TOO!
Michelle Malking found a picture from a protest 6 years ago, wow. I guess that settles things. Seriously, this is what little children do to justify their actions when caught doing something they shouldn’t be, then again all the adults have left the GOP.
No wonder they are completely out of power, rudderless and impotent. No wonder they are shrinking, with only the dumbest rubes left at the base.
Dont any wingnuts listen to Frank Luntz? You are doing it all wrong.
Oh well, I think too many wingnuts are still in the ‘anger/bargaining’ phases of losing the election as badly as they did. Still trying to console themselves at being shut out in such a bloodbath.
Tell me again how there’s going to be some massive groundswell for 2010 again? How’s Michael Steele and his 50 state strategy working out for you? How’s that rebranding and rebuilding the party going? Pick up any new young informed voters lately?
Tell me again how there’s going to be some massive groundswell for 2010 again?
It’s going to take a 2010 that leaves the Democrats still in control of Congress to get them to the “acceptance phase.” They still think that the old tricks and the Brooks Brothers riots and such will work. Eventually, of course, someone’s going to resort to violence and the whole thing will come apart.
Republicans, like the Iraqi Sunnis, are belaboring under the delusion that they really believe that there’s a groundswell of Republican support just there, waiting in the wings to be unleashed. It’s not there, and they just haven’t come to terms with that reality yet. Expect them to flip out more and more as this becomes clear.
More evidence of right-wing astroturfing.
Jay and Gabriel: please go and screw each other. You’ll both have more fun than you do getting your own turds flung back at you in here.
Burn, it’s not the “moral equivalence” argument. It’s the “teh HYPOCRISY!!!!11!!!” argument.
You folks had no problems when it was Bush and Palin, among others, being threatened with death. But here a Democrat is being offered the same health options as a woman in Oregon is being offered by her state-run health plan, and it’s “Oh noes!!!!111!!!!”
Well, let me be the first to set aside the emnity. Welcome to the side of reason and civil discourse. It took a bit of a shock to get you on the side of the angels, but glad to have you.
Just understand if we watch you carefully to make sure you stay on the proper side of things, and express similar outrage when it’s NOT one of your darlings (such as Senator Chris Dodd, D-Countrywide) who’s being “threatened.”
J.
Bush and Palin threatened with death? Oh my. I guess it was serious, not just some random hippie idiot with a sign at a rally, huh.
I suppose Bush had to get secret service protection early, and has twice the detail, and they get more threats than they ever had before…oh wait, that’s some other president. Never mind.
“Pick up any new young informed voters lately?”
Is that who voted for Obama? hahahaha. Seriously, I have to tie more than half my brain behind my back just to bring myself down to the level of the average Obama voter.
Oh, the boy Gabriel. It’s so cute when children play grown-up.
Gabriel, my dog is smarter than you, and my dog is dead.
Go read Little Gabe’s blog, it’s hysterical but not in the way he intended.
Seriously, I have to tie more than half my brain behind my back just to bring myself down to the level…
Clue for you Gabriel, if you have to say you’re intelligent, you’re not (especially not if you have to ape lamebaugh bluster to do it).
OK, I actually read the article… sounds like they’re suggesting Dodd — an advocate of government-funded health care — avail himself to the “treatment” prescribed by the state of Oregon to one cancer sufferer — they won’t pay for her chemotherapy, but will cover other treatments — included physician-assisted suicide.
Jay Tea, could you explain to us all in more detail, just what it is that you or conservatives, in general,the outrage at work here.
I personally think the state of Oregon should pay for the option of both chemo or physician assisted suicide and leave it up to the doctors and patients to make their own decisions.
You, on the other hand, think what exactly? You are, no doubt, opposed to even the existence of the Oregon Health Plan. But without it, what would the woman’s options be?
If the state of Oregon denied her coverage, why didn’t she go out an get private insurance coverage?
Why didn’t she have it before?
Why she depending on the state to provide her with health care?
According to conservatives, health care is not a right. So if this woman could not afford her own treatment and could not afford private insurance to help pay for it, what right does she have to complain about being denied coverage by Oregon?
So please, Jay Tea, what’s your preferred solution to this woman’s problem?
Jay, how many times have you received life-saving government health-care?
“how dare you try and prevent us from paying 30 percent in administrative costs to private health insurance companies”-protestors
Not once, Jaim. So fuck off.
The Oregon case I’m referring to is this one:
http://www.katu.com/news/26119539.html?video=YHI&t=a
Kindly explain how this is NOT a feature of Obamacare, what measures are in the bill that will keep this from happening…
J.
Not once, Jaim. So fuck off.
Perhaps he should rephrase the question: “How many times have you received life-saving, tax payer supported health-care?”
And, Jay Tea, please tell us what the free market offers the woman from Oregon?
If she couldn’t afford to pay for her own treatment or pay for private insurance, what option do conservatives offer her?
Jay, considering that I paid for your health-care so that your life could be saved I think you should be more appreciative.
So, Socialist health-care was good enough to save your sorry life, but it’s not good enough for your fellow Americans? Please, do explain this apparent contradiction.
Jaim, if that’s how you want to spin my personal experiences, so be it. Far be it for me to introduce you to reality.
fafaroo, if she had private insurance (of any kind), she could go to court. She could go public and shame them. Here, she had to depend on the generosity of a private, for-profit company that saw a chance to do a good deed and score some good publicity at a time when they could use the good PR, being one of those being demonized by Pelosi and her ilk.
Gee, what a surprise. Who are the evil villains in this situation? Those who actually produce a valuable good or service. (Insurance companies, pharaceutical companies, etc.) Who are the heroes? Those who don’t. (Politicians, “community organizers,” and whatnot.
J.
‘It’s like they walked around with their heads up their ass for 8 years.’
Does anyone really have to point out the ludicrous hypocrisy of this statement by a Conservative?
‘And I understand why Oliver didn’t mention the Palin mannequin hanging — nooses on white people don’t count.’
Wow; that ONE incident conflates to a national agenda from the Right that has already been reported on a dozen times or more on the MSM.
EXACTLY the same thing.
‘It’s OK If You’re Attacking Republicans.’
And which party do you see advocating attacks at the moment?
‘ahahahaha….look at those LEFT WING MOBS!! ahhh scary scary’
Michelle Malkin is really not a good advocate to advance your position.
Unless your position is ‘Look how uninformed and irrelevant I am.’
‘Well, let me be the first to set aside the emnity. Welcome to the side of reason and civil discourse. ‘
This from YOU?
Let us know when Elvis gets here.
‘Seriously, I have to tie more than half my brain behind my back just to bring myself down to the level of the average Obama voter.’
You’d have to start with more than 1/8 the normal size brain for that to happen.
‘If she couldn’t afford to pay for her own treatment or pay for private insurance, what option do conservatives offer her?’
That she should fuck off apparently.
‘fafaroo, if she had private insurance (of any kind), she could go to court. ‘
So while she’s dying, she has the right to sue for healthcare?
What a country.
‘Here, she had to depend on the generosity of a private, for-profit company that saw a chance to do a good deed and score some good publicity at a time when they could use the good PR…’
Which is precisely why they’re in the business of turning a profit from people’s misery I suppose.
Hahahahah. Very rich, Jaim. How much of your money do you suppose worked its way from Korea back to the US to help pay anyone’s healthcare, much less one person?
How far out to take the decimal out on one penny?
Good grief, the stuff you read here.
You’re right, funk. They should just stop making the drug entirely, and go into another line of business.
How many life-saving treatments have been devised by “community organizers,” anyway?
J.
How many life-saving treatments have been devised by “community organizers,” anyway?
Charles Drew?
Please, PD. Give DOCTOR Drew the respect he deserves with his full title. And note that his work was the culmination of years of training and education and experience in health care, not as a “community organizer.” He actually did things, difficult things, productive things.
As a seven-gallon-plus blood donor, I feel a touch of kinship with the good doctor.
J.
Charles Drew:
“He protested against the practice of racial segregation in the donation of blood as it lacked scientific foundation, which got him fired.”
Not to mention the Blood for Britain project.
Asked and answered.
PD, why are you so intent on taking away the man’s title that he worked so hard to achieve? DOCTOR Charles Drew used his gifts and his talents in medicine to achieve what he did.
We need more people like Dr. Drew, and fewer idiots with no real productive skills proclaiming that their intention to do good trumps everything else… including reality.
Sadly, that seems to be something sorely lacking in the modern Democratic party… can you point to some actual Democratic leaders who have records of actually achieving something in their lives? Something substantive?
J.
But back to the topic at hand… it sounds like the protesters were suggesting that Dodd avail himself of the treatment options for cancer patients “covered” by the state of Oregon. What’s the big deal?
J.
Jaim, if that’s how you want to spin my personal experiences, so be it. Far be it for me to introduce you to reality.
Jay Tea, that’s how you spun it. You were ill, went the emergency room, got life saving treatment, later couldn’t afford to pay the bill, negotiated a lower price and stuck tax payers with the remainder. You told us all about it:
http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/25/dhl-story-on-60-minutes/#comment-134464
So taxpayers were responsible for a portion of your bill. You’ve already admitted this. And now you’re denying it?
But, yes, Jay Tea, let’s get back to the topic you brought up in defense of suggesting that Dodd should commit suicide.
You write:
Instead she went on TV and publicly shamed the state of Oregon and got the attention of the company that produces the drugs which decided to help her out as a nice PR move and good for them.
But Jay Tea, she didn’t have private insurance.
Could she not afford it? I don’t know, but we do know she didn’t have it. Why?
You seem upset by this story but it isn’t clear why.
Do you think the state of Oregon should have paid for her chemo? If so, are in support of government health care or not?
Since she doesn’t have private insurance, what if there was no such thing as the Oregon Health Plan? What should she have done then? Who could she “shame” into giving her drugs? The company that makes it?
Really? What would your response have been then? That the price of the drug is set by the free market and if she can’t afford it she has no right to it?
You’ve chosen the classic conservative response of anger without offering a single viable conservative solution to actually help this woman.
Far be it from me to “introduce you to reality” maybe you could provide a conservative solution that would have helped this woman in the actual circumstances she’s in, rather than constructing an alternate reality — “If she had private insurance” — to deal with.
So do you want to take another stab at it, Jay Tea?
How much of your money do you suppose worked its way from Korea back to the US to help pay anyone’s healthcare, much less one person?
Dennis, quick question for you. Do American citizens working abroad have to pay federal income taxes on their earnings?
You don’t quite grasp it, do you, fafaroo?
The system, as is, saved my life.
The system that you say is so horribly broken that you want to replace it with something — anything — that is most likely far worse.
I repaid most of my bill directly, and the rest through taxes.
As I said, every year I pay more in taxes than the hospital wrote off.
Nice to see you want to tear down the system that saved my life.
Maybe I should have moved to Oregon, where the state system would rather I just up and die.
J.
fafaroo, the government option for this woman was for her to just die.
The private sector saw the same situation, and saved her life.
She’s the poster child for the single payer plan — as long as you don’t want to greedily suck up too many resources and continue living.
J.
The private sector saw the same situation, and saved her life.
So your solution to our wonderful system, in both your case and her case, is either throw the extra expenses on tax payers, anyway, or hope and pray for corporate charity in every other case.
That’s the conservative plan? Really?
I didn’t say that fafaroo. I asked Jaim how much he thought he was contributing to Jay Tea’s recovery. Whatever it is, it’s far less than a full penny, mathematically speaking.
And something is gloing on with you lately, fafaroo. I don’t remember who just said it, but you are resorting to dishonesty here lately to get your point across. If you’re in the right, dishonesty shouldn’t be necessary.
Another data point: my hospitalization was just over 15 years ago. And it didn’t cure me — my condition is incurable, still causes me problems, and will eventually kill me in a most unpleasant fashion.
But I appreciate the friendly reminders of how things are going for me, fellows…
J.
Whatever it is, it’s far less than a full penny, mathematically speaking.
Okay then, will conservatives now stop bitching about, well, everything because individually, their own taxes contribute “far less than a full penny, mathematically speaking” to a lot of the shit they bitch about as individuals.
I don’t remember who just said it, but you are resorting to dishonesty here lately to get your point across.
You think I’m being dishonest? Prove it.
And it didn’t cure me — my condition is incurable, still causes me problems, and will eventually kill me in a most unpleasant fashion.
Jay Tea, take another violin lesson. This pity party riff of yours is getting a little old.
fafaroo, if she had private insurance (of any kind), she could go to court. She could go public and shame them.
Oh, yeah, shame. That’ll work.
You leave out the fact that now she can’t get private insurance because of her pre-existing condition, i.e., terminal cancer.
‘It’s like they walked around with their heads up their ass for 8 years.’
Do you have a nuclear powered projection projector, or is that a gift?
fafaroo, I’m not the one who keeps bringing up my health. I’d much rather not be a focal point. If you and Jaim would skip discussing it, I’d be grateful.
J.
fafaroo, I’m not the one who keeps bringing up my health.
Uh…Jay Tea, perhaps then, you could explain, why for the love of god, we all know that you’ve had a vasectomy.
I mean, really, TMI.
I don’t recall mentioning it, fafaroo, which means it means a hell of a lot more to you than to me. But I’m fairly certain it was germane at the time I mentioned it.
But thanks for the tip. The next time I want to threaten you, I’ll go into great lengths about the alternate applications of bags of frozen peas…
J.
I don’t say douchebag stuff like Jaim did that I’m paying for someone else’s medical bills from what I pay in taxes, fafaroo. And it was dishonest of you imply that I was saying Jaim doesn’t repatriate any taxes back to the US, though I’m pretty sure he gets some exclusions that lessens the amount he pays back to the IRS.
Good to see Jay Tea is still alive and trolling. I was wondering if he’d gotten fired from his gig over at commentary since he hasn’t posted there in over 2 weeks. Now I can see that it’s just obvious that he’s off his meds again.
And it was dishonest of you imply that I was saying Jaim doesn’t repatriate any taxes back to the US …
Touchy, touchy, Dennis. I was just asking …
I’m curious though about your new position that taxpayers shouldn’t complain about how their taxes are spent.
In another post, there’s much debate about a woman who held up a sign implying that Mexicans are getting free health care.
I didn’t see you in the thread there telling us all how ridiculous she is because her taxes contribute “far less than a full penny, mathematically speaking,” to any one person’s health care.
Care to expound on that? Cuz if you mean what you say, in attacking Jaim, where does that leave just above everything conservatives most of their time bitching about these days?
But I’m fairly certain it was germane at the time I mentioned it.
Jay Tea, you brought it up during a discussion of water boarding and torture. So please, don’t even try to suggest that you don’t drag out your medical history at the drop of a hat.
http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/05/22/con-radio-host-mancow-waterboarded/
That whole thread and your entire contribution if I remember correctly, had nothing to do with how much her taxes contributed to Mexicans, but whether or not her caricature of the Mexican was racist. Even still, she’s talking about illegal aliens, and that is what, 10 million people in America, vs. seniors in America. Jaim is telling Jay Tea that he paid for his health care. Of the two, Jaim made the far more ridiculous claim, hands down.
“Jay, considering that I paid for your health-care so that your life could be saved I think you should be more appreciative.”–Jaim
Yeah, fafaroo, take away your feigned indignation at the racial aspect of the poster and focusing solely on her point made in the poster, Jaim’s claim is the laughable one in comparison.
Even still, she’s talking about illegal aliens, and that is what, 10 million people in America, vs. seniors in America.
So, Dennis, that means her individual taxes account for an amount infinitesimally “less than a full penny, mathematically speaking” for the cost of any one illegal immigrants health care.
That’s the standard you’ve applied to Jaim: One tax payer complaining about another person’s use of taxpayer money.
If it’s ridiculous for Jaim, it’s ridiculous for anyone who complains about how their tax dollars are spent.
Of course, consistency hasn’t been your strong suit of late.
fafaroo, you’re being dishonest again, my friend, and I’m getting concerned for you. Not because it bothers me, I’m quite used to it here, just not from you as much. That is, until recently. Go read the diary of that guy in Pittsburgh that killed three people in that gym and notice the similarities between your recent downfall and his over the last few months that led him to his awful ending. It’s kinda scary the parallels.
The woman in the poster that you spent the entire thread denouncing her for her racism did not claim that she paid for any one person’s (not Senor, in that case) nor any one group’s either, and that they owed her their appreciation, like Jaim did.
There’s a thread here on this page somewhere, up from here I think, that deals with the Dept. of Moral Equivalency. You made want to go there and register.
But back to the poor bastard in Pgh., go read and try not to follow that same downward spiral.
Do you have a vacation coming up soon?
The woman in the poster that you spent the entire thread denouncing her for her racism did not claim that she paid for any one person’s (not Senor, in that case) nor any one group’s either, and that they owed her their appreciation, like Jaim did.
So the sign was just an objective statement with absolutely no other meaning at all. Right, Dennis.
What was that you said about honesty?
Or are you suggesting that the woman in the sign is not a tax payer? For shame, Dennis. Of course she is. She’s a conservative!
I’m getting concerned for you.
I’m not concerned about you at all Dennis. You’re dancing just fine, my friend.
fafaroo, you’re being dishonest again, my friend, and I’m getting concerned for you.
BTW, the Dennis, just how exactly am I being dishonest?
You wrote:
The principle behind this rather remarkable statement seems to be that the validity of any complaint about government expenditures is directly proportional to how much of the person’s taxes went to pay for the thing they disagree with.
Listening to talk radio the other day I heard some conservative host bitching that his tax money was going to buy someone else a car through the Cars for Clunkers program.
According to you, Dennis, this conservative is making a ridiculous statement because his tax money actually contributed “less than a full penny, mathematically speaking” to any single car purchased through the program.
The bottom line is you were so eager to attack Jaim you made a completely ludicrous pronouncement yourself.
So we’ve got Jay who had his life saved by taxpayer-provided health-care (guess you hadn’t read Ayn Rand 15 years ago?) and we’ve got Dennis who’s on government assistance.
Are there any wing-nuts decrying the evils of Socialism who don’t receive some sort of welfare?
Fucking hypocrites, the lot of you.
15 years ago when he had his health-care, you were just entering Sidwell Friends on your parents dime, Jaim. You may be paying a few more dollars now to the IRS than you were then, but not a whole lot.
You’re also the one who left the country and now bashes regular hard-working, family-rearing, tax-paying, charity-donating Americans. People who pay far more in taxes than you ever will, even if you ever do move back to the country you said you left because of George Bush’s America.
Talk about fucking hypocrites.
“You’re also the one who left the country and now bashes regular hard-working, family-rearing, tax-paying, charity-donating Americans.”
Um, no. As a hard-working, tax-paying, charity-donating American myself I’ve got nothing but respect for my fellow working folks.
It’s wing-nut fuckwits like you, Dennis, that I revile. How many times do I have to say it?
And unlike you, I graduated high-school in four years. Your time-line is all wrong.
I just find it interesting that so many Randroids turn out to be leeches on the system. FWIW, I’ve never taken Federal or state money for unemployment, disability, or anything like that. Granted, I’ve never had serious health issues either, and I wouldn’t wish those on anyone.
How about you, Dennis? Are there some Socialist skeletons in your closet as well? Wouldn’t surprise me at all.
Jaim, why do you ask me questions? You’ll just make up shit like a 3rd grader no matter what I tell you. You do that with everyone. Like no one else does here, except for now fafaroo who seems to be headed your way.
That statement cannot be true, Jaim. You’ve already stated you revile 30% of Americans, and most of them are hard-working, tax-paying, charity-donating Americans. They are also helping make their communities better places and they’re raising families. You sit at your computer screen and bash them here daily. Your statement there is a lie, by your own admission. Why is it you can never own up to the things you say on here?
Dennis, go grab some tissues and call the Whambulance.
Not THE most overused liberal phrase in existence, but close, Jaim. Maybe it’s still used in Korea by the expats there, I don’t know, but it’s about as old as ‘Yeah, I’ll speak to yo mamma outside.’
Talk about fucking hypocrites.
You really got nothing after that ridiculous statement of yours, do you Dennis?
Why is it you can never own up to the things you say on here?
How did I miss this one! ROFLMAO. Hilarious, Dennis.
Please, tell us all about your new theory of tax protest: Unless your individual tax contribution is actually spent on a specific thing and makes up a certain percentage of its total cost, you have no right to complain about it.
Own up, my friend. It really is a beautiful theory. If it takes off, no conservative troll would ever be able comment here again!
More dishonesty and hackery from you, fafaroo. You used to be one of the more reasonable posters. Either that, or I was too busy paying attention to some of the more nuttier of the nuts here and didn’t notice your regression.
I said several times that it was a joke for Jaim to claim that he paid for Jay Tea’s medical bills and that Jay Tea should be appreciative of him. I never said he had no right to complain about anything. He has a right to bash 50% of Americans, the majority of whom are helping this country in far greater ways than he is or will, but it doesn’t mean I can’t tell him what a joke he is.
Why is that a hard concept for you to be honest about. People can complain how their tax dollars are being spent, but for Jaim to claim his tax dollars, and as I’ve shown, he wasn’t even working then, and he repatriates very little even now, to have paid for one individual’s medical bills and that he owes him for it, it pretty laughable.
Do you back him on that statement? Does Jay Tea owe him a debt of gratitude, Mr. Purposely Obtuse?
Keep dancing, Dennis.
It’s very clear what you said. You were ridiculing Jaim based on the possible percentage his taxes might have contributed to Jay Tea getting government assisted health care.
The lower the percentage, the more ridiculous the complaint, apparently.
If that’s your criteria for ridiculing people who complain about how their taxes are spent, I’d like to see you apply it across the board to everyone who complains about how their taxes are spent.
Of course, you won’t, because then you and the rest of the trolls here would have very little left to complain about.
Do you back him on that statement? Does Jay Tea owe him a debt of gratitude, Mr. Purposely Obtuse?
Jay Tea owes American tax payers a debt of gratitude for picking up his emergency room tab, no?
You didn’t answer the question, fafaroo. Dancing?
Again, Very Young at the time Young Jaim wasn’t a tax payer then. Because he is one now, not much of one I gather from a quick perusal of Expat Tax exclusions, doesn’t give him superiority over anyone who has ever benefitted from the government to the point of supplication like what he called for.
Do you support his laughable statement? I’m not much of a dance judge, so I can’t tell which way you’re leaning since you answer my questions with more questions.
You didn’t answer the question, fafaroo. Dancing?
Yes, I did, Dennis. You just aren’t a very sophisticated reader.
Jay Tea owes a debt of gratitude to American tax payers for picking up his tab at the emergency room, allowing him to avoid bankruptcy.
Do you agree?
After you answer that question, Dennis, tell me how old Jaim is. I don’t know.
And while we’re at Dennis, don’t think it’s passed unnoticed that you wrote this:
Before you knew how long ago Jay Tea’s unfortunate medical crisis occurred.
So maybe you’d like to explain how you’re criticism of Jaim applies across the board to anyone and everyone who complains about how their taxes are spent.
For instance, if I think it’s unfair that my tax dollars went to helping someone buy a car through the cash for clunkers program, is my complaint ridiculous?
–Not individually, no, and not when they demand it like petulant little schoolkids like Jaim did, either. No, I don’t agree.
–He’s 30, give or take a year.
–Again, this concept seems hard for you to digest. Anyone can complain all they want about how their tax dollars are spent, to their heart’s content. My criticism of Jaim is that he contributes very little, yet demands Jay Tea show appreciation to him.
How many people do you know who tell someone else that receives any type of federal assistance that they that person their appreciation? Why don’t you try that down at your local hospital emergency room and demand of them what Jaim demanded of Jay Tea. Take your video camera, because I’d like to see their reaction.
Last paragraph should have been ‘that they owe that person their appreciation’.
— no one ever describes [water boarding] as being painful. Terrifying, yes —
I know this is OT, but that is kind of the point of waterboarding, Jay.
Anyone can complain all they want about how their tax dollars are spent, to their heart’s content. My criticism of Jaim is that he contributes very little, yet demands Jay Tea show appreciation to him.
Which is, again, exactly what I said you said and it’s a ridiculous position.
It undermines any and every thing any conservative complaint about spending because no one person contributes enough of a percentage to any one budget.
Dennis, conservative resentment aimed at illegal immigrants, welfare recipients, people who get cars through the Cars for Clunkers program etc. etc. is entirely predicated on the very thing you are accusing Jaim of.
Do you have a vacation coming up soon?
Is that an invitation to meet you and Jaim at Dulles?
He’s 30, give or take a year.
While were running down this side issue of yours, if he was 15, I was working at 15. How do you know he didn’t pay any taxes that year?
If that’s your criteria for ridiculing people who complain about how their taxes are spent, I’d like to see you apply it across the board to everyone who complains about how their taxes are spent.
And that goes for every Teabagger walking.
Again, fafaroo, and boy, you sure spent a lot of time beating around the bush to make that statement, it would have been one thing for Jaim to tell him as a taxpayer he resents money being spent to help out someone’s recovery, it’s quite another to tell someone they owe your their appreciation. Especially in Jaim’s case.
My invitation was for now, which is not going to happen it seems, but if I drive up there in Dec, sure, any and all are welcome. I’ll even buy beers afterward. We can have a beer summit.
I don’t know what the tax laws were then, but now I think you have to pay something like $7,000 before you owe Federal tax filing as an individual. Not too many 15 year olds are making that kind of money now, much less 15 years ago.
You’ll also notice Jaim didn’t counter that in any way other than to say he wasn’t just entering Sidwell Friends 15 years ago. I think I’m pretty safe with the assumption whatever meager contribution he made to the IRS if he made any at all, would’ve made his demand to Jay Tea to show appreciation to him for it still very laughable….my whole point in this.
Dennis the sad little bitch, if you’re going to continue to be obsessed about me please do a better job of reading my blog.
I started paying taxes when I was 14, paid “full” taxes starting in college in 1993 with various part-time jobs, became gainfully employed in 1996 after graduation.
You? You remain a full-time punk-ass bitch who offered to buy me a plane ticket back to DC then decided differently when I accepted. And you have yet to tell us what you do for a living. Until you provide evidence, I’m going to assume you leech off of your parents and your wife, who deserves much better than a coward and a liar like yourself.
Honestly, at your age, you really should get a full-time job. Try to gain your daughters’ respect somehow, although it’s probably a lost cause.
Sad little bitch. Pathetic, sad little man who can’t even get a real job. You provide me with laughs. Please, continue to do so. Just try and avoid taking Socialist welfare like Jay or Frank, k little bitch?
“My invitation was for now, which is not going to happen it seems”
Because I have a job, Dennis the punk-bitch, a J-O-B.
I’ll be visiting family at Christmas, and you will still remain a hypocritical little clown who has failed at work, at his family, and at his goddamn ability to act like a human being.
But what was the name of that shitty Italian restaurant you tried to change to locale to? Magio’s or something? Whatevs.
You remain a coward, a hypocrite, a clown, and a shitty dad. Not to mention a failed human being. It was a good idea of you to back down from wanting to meet me face-to-face. Your daughters should thank you.
….it would have been one thing for Jaim to tell him as a taxpayer he resents money being spent to help out someone’s recovery, it’s quite another to tell someone they owe your their appreciation.
Six and one half dozen of the other, Dennis.
Your reasoning either way, is ridiculous, and you know it.
Go back and check your 1040 EZ, Jaim. Let me know how much you contrbuted after you got your refund that year and we’ll see just how much of a sliver of a penny that you think Jay Tea owes you now. Dope. And since you’ve told people how much you make, why not tell us how much got repatriated back here last year?
Jaim, since you seem so sure of that, would you be willing to bet me 14 benjamins that I haven’t told you what I do on here? I would extend that bet to you. I’ve told you before that I have, that you just don’t remember. You insist that is not the case, so you should be willing to put your money where your mouth is.
And you should have been here at my house for last Father’s Day, Jaim.
The point isn’t what Jay owes me, it’s what he owes all American tax-payers (including me) who saved his life despite his Randroid fantasies.
You’re a coward and a loser, Dennis. Frankly, I couldn’t give two flying fucks what you do for a living but since you constantly harp on my occupation I’m going to continue mentioning that you’re too ashamed to mention yours.
Here’s a little hint: Don’t make promises your ass can’t keep, you little bitch.
You’ve asked me about it at least twenty times, yet you say you don’t give a shit, liar. Again you say I’ve never told you, so why not take me up on the bet that I have told you?
Coward.
Accepting your invitation to beat your ass to a pulp makes me a coward?
Language obviously isn’t your strong point, little Dennis. But run along now, I know you’ve got lots of important work to do trolling this site and making your daughters proud of their wing-nut daddy.
Jaim, if I’m reading the Expat IRS tax rules correctly, there’s an $82,400 income exclusion for you. Since you’ve stated you make $30,000 USD in Korea, all of your income would be excluded.
You would then have no right to demand anything of Jay Tea,much less the arrogant call for his appreciation to you.
Since you love to call everyone else fucking hypocrites, tell me how you’re not being a fucking hypocrite.
I thuoght it was weird you had no response on this. Now I know why.
Jaim, if you’re teaching English, you’re DEFINITELY overpaid — because your reading comprehension sucks.
I’ll put numbers on it:
My hospital bill was just over $4,000.
I settled with the hospital for just over $3,000.
They considered that adequate, and accepted my check.
Checking my tax records for the past decade, I have paid, on average, almost twice that every single year. And that’s just income taxes alone.
That account is closed.
And as Dennis noted, you aren’t paying income taxes anyway, so quit your whining.
Find a new talking point.
J.
And Dennis would be absolutely wrong, as usual.
But Jay, you’re welcome. When we get a public health-care option, all Americans will be able to receive the medical care they need without going deeply into bankruptcy or selling their houses.
Unless you’re a member of the GOP, this would be known as a good thing.
How much federal did you pay this year, Jaim?
Jaim, I never complained about my hospitalization, or the charges thereof. I was within hours of dying. The hospital admitted me, diagnosed me, treated me, and I was out in less than 96 hours. After the fact, when it was apparent I was not able to settle the bill, we reached a compromise that satisfied us both.
Under the current style of system.
Could it have been better? In my case, marginally so. I had symptoms that I didn’t take seriously for about a week before I realized I was in dire straits and headed for the ER. But unless I’d had an exam within a week or two beforehand, the best insurance and medical care wouldn’t have seen my problem coming.
The only real difference for me under ObamaCare ™ would be that I wouldn’t have had to worry about that bill. But I never disputed the bill, or that I owed it, or quibbled about the amount. They saved my life. And I paid them as best I could in cash, and have praised them at every opportunity since.
Under ObamaCare, I might have been told “yeah, we could save your life, but that’d be very expensive. Here’s a pamphlet on assisted suicide we’d like you to read. By the way, that would be covered.”
Fortunately, this was in New Hampshire 15 years ago, not modern-day Oregon with THEIR state care program.
J.
Well I’ll be honest Jay, I find it hard to believe you got “life-saving” treatment for 4,000 dollars. A broken foot taken to the ER is going t run you at least 15,000 these days.
So first off, glad you’re alive. Second, if you got your life saved for a mere 4,000, more power to you. It’s my understanding that something like care for a heart-attack or stroke for an uninsured person would run at least a cool 100,000, probably more. I guess if people only had to worry about cheap life-and-death issues we wouldn’t need to discuss this.
“Under ObamaCare, I might have been told “yeah, we could save your life, but that’d be very expensive.”
Bullshit. This is the system we have now. There are an army of lawyers and bureaucrats who scrutinize the spending done by hospitals, at a given doctor’s request, in order to save money. These means they deny critical treatment for people based on cost every hour of every day.
“Here’s a pamphlet on assisted suicide we’d like you to read. By the way, that would be covered.”
Just when I acquire some sympathy, you go back into fucking crazy mode. Good luck with that. I would only add that indeed, we need to examine the word “rationing.” Because in fact, we already ration health-care in America based on how much money you make. And guess what? I don’t really have a problem with that in a certain sense. If a super-wealthy person can afford the latest experimental treatment, then they should have access to it. A poor person should have access to the most modern and beneficial treatmens and procedures as well, but there will come a point when in fact we have to put a dollar-value on life: is a one-million dollar treatment that will keep someone alive an extra six months really worth it? If they can’t pay out of pocket, probably not. If they can, O.K.
Here’s Peter Singer on the issue, and the argument about how we need to stop using “rationing” as a scare-tactic:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/19/magazine/19healthcare-t.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=all
BTW, assisted suicide is something we should have in place. Unlike you, I think life-and-death decisions should be made by an individual, not by the government. But to conflate the two issues is childish at best. It’s another reason people don’t take you and your party seriously.
Dennis the little cowardly bitch writes:
“How much federal did you pay this year, Jaim?”
First off, why the fuck do you care?
Second, none of your fucking business you shit-stain little wannabe stalker.
Well, Jaim, you’re the one who’s so FASCINATED with MY payment of things, so why shouldn’t you put your cards on the table, too?
As far as my experience goes… I don’t give a rat’s ass what you believe. My condition is not that expensive to TREAT, but currently impossible to CURE. It’s a maintenance thing — I’m just dying a lot slower, but it’ll still likely be what kills me in the long term.
And I also don’t give a rat’s ass how many times you call the assisted suicide reference “bullshit,” “fucking crazy,” “a scare tactic,” or whatever. Verify it for yourself: Barbara Wagner of Eugene, Oregon. You can find copies of the letter from the state to her yourself. The chemotherapy that would extend her life was not covered, but other options — including, specifically, “physician-aid-in-dying” — were available to her.
The current system saved my life.
A system very much like the one you’re backing told Ms. Wagner to just die.
Does the system need improving? Absolutely.
Will what you porpose actually improve things? Absolutely not.
Finally, am I fed up with you rehashing my personal life (medical and financial) over and over, when you go apeshit over being asked far less intrusive questions? You betcha.
So fuck off, Jaim. I’d say “fuck off and die,” but I’m not affiliated with Oregon’s state-run health program.
J.
If I received life-saving medical care for which I could not pay at the time, then went on to become a Randian wing-nut I’d be ashamed of myself and at least acknowledge my intellectual deficiencies.
“My condition is not that expensive to TREAT, but currently impossible to CURE. It’s a maintenance thing — I’m just dying a lot slower, but it’ll still likely be what kills me in the long term.”
Well, let’s go a step further and agree that if Americans had access to preventative care, instead of hiding from the doctor since they can’t afford a check-up, we’d be healthier as a nation and we’d be paying less for the treatment of things like diabetes and curable cancers. And by “maintenance” I wonder if you mean medication? Because those are outrageously expensive these days, even for people who have insurance.
“The current system saved my life.”
So what? The current system will save many people’s lives, but does it do so cost-effectively. (e.g., preventing something like diabetes rather than amputating a person’s foot, lopping off a small, non-malignant tumor rather than full-scale chemo for advanced cancer?) You can have your life saved in Rwanda too. This is a pretty low bench-mark for a country as great as ours.
“Will what you porpose actually improve things? Absolutely not.”
Yes it will. A public option, allowing Americans to the same health-care their Senators get, will provide insurance for the non-insured, and make them healthier since they’ll seek out medical care, preventative and otherwise, rather than hiding from them and coming to an ER with a full-blown, possibly fatal condition.
“Finally, am I fed up with you rehashing my personal life (medical and financial) over and over, when you go apeshit over being asked far less intrusive questions? You betcha.”
Like I said, you’re the fucking hypocrite who got something for nothing but now wants to deny the same thing to other Americans.
Really? 4,000 bucks for a live-saving procedure where you didn’t have insurance? Smells fishy to me, but my larger points remain.
“So fuck off, Jaim. I’d say “fuck off and die,” but I’m not affiliated with Oregon’s state-run health program.”
Just going to keep on making this stuff up, aren’t you? And what did this woman’s situation ever have to do with Obama, anyways? When was he elected governor of Oregon?
As I said, Jaim, I don’t give a rat’s ass if you believe me or not.
And you really, really have a hell of a lot of nerve. You keep bringing up my personal details, but get so bent out of shape over far less intrusive questions? Questions that challenge your claimed right to accuse me?
I’ll repeat myself: fuck off.
But don’t die. Please. Keep on living. I’d hate for you to end up a victim of government-run health care.
J.
Funny, but everyone I know who has government-run health care is very fond of it. One relative is a retried Federal employee — you won’t touch his health-care over his dead body. Another relative is a cop who gets his government health-care through the county, and I think possibly it goes through the state as well. In any event, he loves his plan, not just for him but for his family as well. My friend in the military really likes his plan as well, and that’s about as Federal as they come. And I’ve never heard a US senator complain about the care he or she gets.
Hmm. Seems like government-run health care is actually better than what many Americans actually have through more privatized plans. Here’s, let’s see what this new mom has to say about paying 22,000$ to have her baby with private insurance, those plans that are oh-so-much better than dirty government insurance plans:
http://www.doublex.com/section/news-politics/health-insurance-woes-my-22000-bill-having-baby
Keep swinging and missing Jay. It’s what you do best.
Oh, that’s DEVASTATING, Jaim. That several people you know get their health care through their employer are quite happy with it.
I’m not thrilled with my coverage, but it’s adequate for my needs. And it’s through my employer, too.
Why are you so eager to destroy the system that works for me, works for your friends and family, and works for millions of others?
And just when was the last time you paid US income taxes, anyway? Why are you so touchy about answering that?
J.
Ah, right on cue Jay moves the goalposts. You were ranting about “government-run healthcare.” I’ve told you that in fact people with government-run healthcare are usually quite happy with their insurance. Like I said, I’ve never heard a US senator complain about how they pay for their medications.
“Why are you so eager to destroy the system that works for me”
Under Obama’s plan you could keep your shitty plan, or shop for a better one. Why do you hate the free-market?
“And just when was the last time you paid US income taxes, anyway? Why are you so touchy about answering that?”
I filed them for 2008, and I’ll be filing them for 2009. Like Dennis, I invite you to stalk me on my blog if you have further questions.
Not moving the goalpoasts, just clarifying them.
Federal EMPLOYEES get some of the best health care around. Partly because their employer doesn’t have to worry about making enough revenue to pay for it; they can just raise taxes or borrow more money. And that is NOT likely to change under ObamaCare; wanna bet on whether US Senators will sign up for the same coverage the average American will get? I think not.
So, unless the government is gonna put everyone on its payroll, the example of Barbara Wagner of Eugene, Oregon — who was on the state-provided health care plan and NOT an employee — is a hell of a lot more germane to the discussion than Edward Moore Kennedy, who has been on the government payroll for over half a century.
J.
Because I don’t think you pay any and you’re lying when you tell Jay Tea you paid for his health bill and he owes you a debt of gratitude.
The expat exclusion is far more than your $30,000 salary.
And that makes you a fucking liar and a hypocrite, Jaim.
“Because I don’t think you pay any and you’re lying when you tell Jay Tea you paid for his health bill and he owes you a debt of gratitude.”
OH NOES, DENNIS DOESN’T BELIEVE ME!
Dennis, as a member of the “investor class” you should understand that salaries are only one form of income.
I guess you’ll just have to come to Korea to peruse my banking and financial statements, won’t you?
Jesus, go fuck yourself and your pathetically small and debilitated life.
“Federal EMPLOYEES”
Government employees in general, in my experience.
“wanna bet on whether US Senators will sign up for the same coverage the average American will get?”
Moot point, since it would be the same coverage.
The story of the woman in Oregon is tragic. The prevailing reality that Americans tend to do better with government-provided health-care doesn’t change in the slightest.
But please, I suggest you go to a local retirement home and explain to seniors how they’d be better off without Medicare.
Jaim, you piece of shit. You pay no taxes on your salary and supposedly you have other sources of income that you want us to believe makes you a federal taxpayer now, which with standard deductions has to make it quite small, whatever it is, and then you sit here and tell Jay Tea to kiss your ass because you paid for his health care.
What a piece of work you are.
Per 2008 IRS guidelines, your foreign earned income exclusion is $87,600.
You paid next to no federal taxes last year, and you paid exactly zero taxes 15 years ago when Jay Tea had his his hospital stay.
You’re a lying piece of shit and you owe him an apology.
Even Koreans think you’re a piece of shit….. THE ESL PROFESSION IS NOT CONSIDERED PROFESSIONAL BY SOME KOREANS: By and large, Koreans do not think teaching ESL is a professional occupation. In fact, many believe any native speaker will do. This of course is based partially on reality – many ESL instructors in Korea have not had any professional training.
You should be embarrassed, Jaim. No wonder you’re pissed off all of the time.
The story of the woman in Oregon is tragic.
No, my medical condition is more “tragic” — it’s purely genetic, and we’re still working on finding the trigger. But I deal with it. Several times a day. I don’t consider it really “tragic,” but it’s certainly more “tragic” than the way the state of Oregon treated Ms. Wagner.
Barbara Wagner’s story is OBSCENE. Her condition is certainly tragic, but the way the government-run system treated her is nothing less than an obscenity.
One you seem eager to foist off on the rest of us living and paying taxes in the US.
J.
And FU with that BS, Jaim. Yes, I am a member of the investing class, and you told us you did poorly on whatever it was you had invested. No job before you bailed on the US because of Bush’s economy when the DOW was at 13,000 – 14,000 and we had 5.2% unemployment, so it’s hard to imagine your having amassed anything substantial enough to overcome whatever losses you took last year, if any, outside of your tax-exempt IRA or 401-K. Most investors making far more than you do or ever have paid little on the investment income last year, but you want us to believe you did, and that someone who received federal assistance owes you a thank you.
And FU on commenting on your blog, too. No one comments there. You’re just desperate for attention.
“You paid next to no federal taxes last year, and you paid exactly zero taxes 15 years ago when Jay Tea had his his hospital stay.”
Wrong again, Dennis. Wrong as always.
“By and large, Koreans do not think teaching ESL is a professional occupation. In fact, many believe any native speaker will do. This of course is based partially on reality – many ESL instructors in Korea have not had any professional training.”
Funny, my boss disagrees with you little Dennis.
Please try and curb your crush on me, sparky.
I’m not wrong, Jaim. You couldn’t have paid much federal last year. Negligible, if any at all. That makes all your crowing here complete and udder bullshit. No one owes you shit. Yet you bash people who do pay taxes. Pathetic leech.
It’s you that makes the charges, Jaim, and stalks other people here. It takes nothing more than a cursory googling to prove your lies and false bravado. You stalk Jay Tea and me and ask us incessantly personal questions and then when he spend two minutes exposing you for the complete fraud you are, then you play the victim.
You’re lonely, you’re frustrated, you live in a small living space, you do something that requires far less education than what you have, and you lash out at people who you think are to blame for your sorry state. It’s why you lash out and lie to Jay Tea and me and it’s why you blame Republicans. You’re so easy to figure out.
Could maybe you guys do your own blog where you just argue back and forth about your own income taxes?
“You couldn’t have paid much federal last year.”
How do you know? Seriously, are you clairvoyant?
“You’re lonely, you’re frustrated, you live in a small living space, you do something that requires far less education than what you have, and you lash out at people who you think are to blame for your sorry state.”
My apartment is kind of small. Cozy though. Lonely and frustrated? No, that’s projection on your part little Dennis. Living here has been a great experience so far, professionally and socially.
But keep on keepin’ on Dennis, you sad little man you.
I haven’t mentioned mine, El Cid, nor have or would I ever go so far as to demand that anyone who ever received federal assistance in the form of health care show me personally their appreciation, like Jaim did with Jay Tea.
Showing the minuscule likelihood that Jaim paid any taxes at all has rendered him mute on the subject, curiously.
He can play games all he wants, but he owes Jay Tea an apology.
“Showing the minuscule likelihood that Jaim paid any taxes at all has rendered him mute on the subject, curiously.”
Like where I said above that I paid Federal taxes in 2008, and will do so for 2009?
I’ll let you have the last word little Dennis, but please try and work on your reading skills. Adult illiteracy is no laughing matter.
Like I said, Jaim, you’re very easy to figure out. You want a girlfriend, you want to get married, you want to start a family. That’s why you make fun of my family. You are nowhere on that front and you sit most of the time in a small living space in East Giplip thinking about the fact that you are going nowhere fast, so you’re outlet for your frustration is to angrily lash out at people who are doing what you desperately want and have what you desperately want. It’s so obvious it’s not even worth typing the words on here.
You’re not really a typical Democrat. You’re actually on the far fringes of the angry left. Nothing to show for your education, you wait for your parents’ pension someday. Till then you can sorta fuck off and complain about evil conservatives till that big bonus day comes.
Elitist leech crybaby malcontent.
My girlfriend disagrees with you too, little Dennis.
“You’re actually on the far fringes of the angry left.”
Actually, I’m in Seoul. And if by “fringe” you mean an Obama supporter whose views on Iraq and health-care match those of the majority of the American people well then, you should work on your English comprehension skills.
“you wait for your parents’ pension someday”
Um, no. There won’t be much there.
“It’s so obvious it’s not even worth typing the words on here.”
But I have a feeling you will continue to troll this site. Call me crazy.
No, what you said was:
“I filed them for 2008, and I’ll be filing them for 2009.”
Everyone is required to file. Clever wording, but you didn’t say you paid federal taxes in 2008 and you’ll be paying them in 2009. Very likely you didn’t for last year, and very likely you won’t be for this year.
Look, I don’t care if you didn’t pay any federal or maybe paid a few hundred dollars or so. I would hope that some day you could make tons of dough and pay our government your share and contribute to a better America. It’s not paying nothing or very little that is the issue; it’s you having done that and demanding a thank you from Jay Tea.
That was shameful.