Shorter Frank: don’t tell me what I don’t want to hear.

Actually, more like “Don’t talk to me about something which you are apparently in no position to judge”

I felt no need to be contentious. But since you have jumped in, I say the same to you. Writing longer insulting passages with an occasional polysyllabic word does not make it any more useful. Toro’s comments to me have been, in the main, about 1% refutation and 99% excoriation. Excuse me if I don’t find that valuable. To simply contradict me (“I know about security clearances; you don’t”) is not extremely valuable. They are not “easier” because there is “less to check”. Intuitively, even an idiot would be suspicious of a background with no paper trail, let alone a trained investigator.

But, Wilbur, if it brightens your day to support the likes of chum like Toro, feel free. Everyone needs to feel better than someone.

I will ask the question again: Are you surprised that there is correlation between birthers and Southerners? I suspect you weren’t and neither was I, because it feeds into historical pattern of racism and xenophobia.

Likewise, it wouldn’t surprise me a bit that the greatest concentration of “truthers” is in the West where there is a strong bias against the Federal government.

Is that bigotry? Not really. That’s reality.

See, that’s the thing Frank: during the elections there was a lot of stuff about Bush’s discharge papers, his drinking, his sketchy academic record. After the election, though, I think you’d have to look long and hard to find a major liberal organ analogous to NRO on the right that spent a lot of time on this personal bullshit. We were content to criticise his conduct in office. But you, you freaks just can’t give it up. If it’s not where’s his birth certificate it’s did he actually have his own secretary when he worked in NYC, or was he a Muslim when he was six years old. You guys are sick!

Toro: Yeah, yeah, yeah; blah, blah, blah; yadda, yadda, yadda.

Shorter Frank: don’t tell me what I don’t want to hear.

Yes, I kind of guessed that much.

But outside of that, there is still a rather intolerant, xenophobic, anti-intellectual element.

And there is likewise an element of rude, arrogant, assholes in the Northeast. You generalized the behavior of a “subset” of the population to paint all Southerners as ignorant, racist hillbillies. That’s bigotry, son.

And what’s more it’s not helpful. It gives the rest of the country a bye – just blame the inbred hicks in the south, it makes you feel good and it’s a hell of a lot easier than trying to address the real issues.

Why should it be be a surprise to you that people that are not open and above board about their past are magnets for suspicion? Do you honestly believe that everyone in American judges political candidates by their published platforms? That there is no non-rational element in it? Didn’t someone mention Pres Bush’s discharge paper up above? Why should that matter, if all this other stuff of Pres Obama’s doesn’t?

I am merely playing the devil’s advocate. I knew enough about Pres Obama to think he would be a terrible President. I have learned nothing new to change my mind. he could have been born in Andorra, for all I care.

Toro: Yeah, yeah, yeah; blah, blah, blah; yadda, yadda, yadda.

We’ll set aside the question of how you know these records are “missing.” You include in your list a variety of scholastic and medical records. These are not records that are “ordinarily available.” They’re ordinarily not.

They actually prefer that. Less for them to have to check up on.

It’s kind of funny, Frank: you have no idea what you’re talking about. I know what kind of documents you have to submit to get a passport, a license, or a security clearance, and it’s why I knew the caterwauling over Obama’s birth certificate was bullshit: because the documents you see for his birth certificate are the normal, everyday documentation you provide for such things (and, interestingly, something I’ve never seen from other candidates).

And, seriously, you think Obama is “hiding” his law review and law journal articles? The entire point of those journals is to make them publicly available to all everyone. You’re a rank idiot who doesn’t know what he’s talking about: just like most of these anti-Obama ranters: people who’ve never done anything, never been anywhere, and don’t know anything. They’re just a bunch of people who’ve been fed talking points and are repeating them without any knowledge or wisdom– mindless automatons substituting talking points for a lifetime of ignorance.

Frank: you have no idea what goes into security clearance. You have no idea what law journals are all about. You never bothered to look at Obama’s track record at all. Why on earth do you think that your opinions are to be taken seriously when you’re clearly a man of such limited understanding and experience? You think that simply because you’re some old idiot with an anti-Obama opinion entitles you to be taken seriously? You’ve made a bunch of rank-ignorant claims that could only come from someone of such stunningly limited intellect and knowledge that you cannot possibly be regarded as someone with a political opinion worth considering. Where do you get off telling Obama what he should and shouldn’t do? You’ve seen his birth certificate, which he offerred only to quiet the deranged screams of angry, deranged right-wing ignoramuses like yourself, and you still won’t calm down over it while you frothingly demand to see his baptism certificated. It makes me think that you and many right wingers are just delusional, ignorant cranks… a culture encouraged by your broken ideology.

Do you really think that you can get a Top Secret clearance when you have lived a document – free life?

Try walking into a Bank with a birth certificate and a smile, and see how how much money you can borrow.

There is no one — no one — stupider, than a big mouth who is so blamed ignorant that he can rant and rave when he has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. And, as a person who has been investigated by the Feds for two different clearances, that would not be me.

No, Tyro, you are a dumbass.

There is absolutely no reason why those documents are not available. Oh, yes, I know, they don’t matter, and who cares we only wanted a President. So I guess if he wandered in from the desert, and lost a shoe in the water — oh, wait, that’s the other Messiah.

Why won’t Pres Obama be re-elected ? Because, unlike Pres Clinton, he isn’t smart enough to stay in the center, where the people who voted for him came from. Pres Notbush is driven to do leftist things because, like a parent who was abused as a child, they don’t know what else to do, even if it is wrong.

Toss several hundred billion dollars in the air, and then, before it even “hits the ground”, try to institute a multi – billion health that rearranges our whole national health system? What else is there to say? And yet, there are people around him saying we may have to spend a like amount of money once more. I say just give everyone $25,000 worth of food stamps and be done with it.

You know what’s hilarious, here? If there are any articles that you want access to, you can just look them up! They’re not “missing.” Anything he wrote for the law review or any other law journals are publicly available.

My understanding is that Obama just didn’t leave himself open to scrutiny by publishing a lot.

Hey, dumbass: to get a TS clearance, you need to produce a birth certificate of the sort of Obama has provided.

The sort of background check that Obama would be subjected to as part of a clearance application are actually similar to the kind of thing that goes on during a presidential campaign: talking to your friends, neighbors, relatives to see if there’s anything sketchy going on.

THat’s why I laugh at the people screaming over Obama’s birth certificate: I know exactly what kind of documents you need to produce for clearance purposes, and all of the stuff you’ve seen are sufficient to pass muster with the federal government. The hardest of the hardcore birthers are just a bunch of people who have never gone through that process and never done anything like that.

Better then insisting on being stupid.

all the documentation that should be available from Pres Obama’s past which is missing:
Occidental College records
Columbia College records
Columbia Thesis paper
Harvard College records
Selective Service Registration
Medical records
Illinois State Senate records
Illinois State Senate schedule
Law practice client list
Harvard Law Review articles that were published
University of Chicago scholarly articles
Record of baptism

Has he managed to burn all 4000+ copies of each issue of the Harvard Review so that none of the articles that were published exist at all anymore? His record of baptism??? You going to make religion a requirement for office now? And you didn’t include on your list that nobody’s been able to find that clay asjtray he made in 2nd grade.
Without agreeing that any of those records are “missing”, where is it required that a President have college records which show good grades or that particular courses were taken.

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Oh, right. It isn’t.

I have always depended on the kindness of strangers.

You should care that your candidate couldn’t be a Military Policeman, because he couldn’t get the necessary clearance.

They must have some pretty tough clearance requirements if you can be President, but not an MP.

And what grade did they get in Sociology?

Who do you see beating him?

In that case it’s a good thing the president is held to a lower standard. We seem to have plenty of military police, but we were short on presidents for about eight years.

Is there something an MP can see with his “clearance” that the president can’t?

“W” squelched a biography indicating he used cocaine on a regular basis for several years. His military records were never made available. Likewise, investigations into his academic career mysteriously went nowhere, as his former professors clammed up or offered nothing more than statements previously cleared by the campaign. Who has seen The Decider’s military discharge? Nobody knows much at all about what he did in his National Guard stint.

Instead of “volcanoes rising”, the MSM was complacent.