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	<title>Comments on: Kudos To Fox News&#8217; Wendell Goler</title>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/07/29/kudos-to-fox-news-wendell-goler/#comment-167169</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fun (but not at all surprising) to note, BTW, that Jay Tea completely disappeared from that thread at that point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fun (but not at all surprising) to note, BTW, that Jay Tea completely disappeared from that thread at that point.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/07/29/kudos-to-fox-news-wendell-goler/#comment-167168</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any time.</description>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/07/29/kudos-to-fox-news-wendell-goler/#comment-167126</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks very much, Sean.</description>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/07/29/kudos-to-fox-news-wendell-goler/#comment-167099</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/07/23/harry-reid-fails-again-no-bill-before-recess/#comment-165595&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was <a href="http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/07/23/harry-reid-fails-again-no-bill-before-recess/#comment-165595" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/07/29/kudos-to-fox-news-wendell-goler/#comment-167097</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duros: &lt;i&gt;Absent of evidence, I tried to reassure him that there is a 95% probability that it is false.
Glad to see I was in the ballpark.&lt;/i&gt;

As noted in &lt;a href=&quot;a post on another thread&lt;/a&gt;:

Jay Tea: &lt;i&gt;OL’RetVet, Section 1233, page 424 onward: Senior citizens will be required to have a “death with dignity” consultation with their government-paid doctor or nurse practitioner at least once every five years. Even if you’re Catholic, for example, and refusing life-extending treatment is a mortal sin.&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;i&gt;Every five years, whether you want to or not, you gotta sit down and have explained to you your option to just give up and die, &lt;/i&gt;
First you call it the “OK, old people, you gotta just stop costing us so much and die” provision. Then you back up a little and call it the required “death with dignity” consultation.  You really are reaching to give it a “We’re going to kill you” connotation that doesn’t accuratly describe what it is.
If you really had a valid, supportable objection you wouldn’t have to resort to incendiary naming.
Second, &lt;b&gt;everything you said is a complete crock of pure bullshit&lt;/b&gt;.
It’s an “advance care planning consultation” and that is an accurate description of what it actually is: a consultation to discuss various things which a person should be aware of as they get older.

Section 1233 which you point to (did you bother to read it or just grab someone else’s talking points?) amends subsection(s)(2) of Section 1861 of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395x).  Section 1861 is just a long list of definitions and subsection (s)(2) just defines what the term “medical and other health services” means by providing a lengthy list of services and items that fall under the definition.  Your Section 1233 merely adds “advance care planning consultation” to that list and then explains what that is:
&lt;blockquote&gt;An explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to.
  (B) An explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses.
  (C ) An explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.
  (D) The provision by the practitioner of a list of national and state-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with advance care planning,&lt;/blockquote&gt;
and, yes, the information provided to the elderly “may include the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining treatment or a similar order.”
That is, to what extent a person wants to continue treatment if they are particularly ill.

There is &lt;b&gt;NOTHING&lt;/b&gt; that says this consultation is required.  On the contrary, the every five years is how often a person can have this consultation &lt;i&gt;if they want it at all&lt;/i&gt;.  Pretty much the &lt;b&gt;exactly opposite of what you claimed&lt;/b&gt;.
There is &lt;b&gt;NOTHING&lt;/b&gt; that says “you gotta sit down and have explained to you your option to just give up and die”.  On the contrary, right to die is never mentioned at all, not even euphemistically.  Closest it comes is saying you can get information about your right to control what care you receive, but nothing about taking any steps to end your life.  Pretty much &lt;b&gt;nothing at all like what you claimed&lt;/b&gt;.
In sort, this section provides that people be provided with valuable information so that they can understand what is available and make whatever plans and choices they deem fit for themselves.

What is it you have against old people that you want take away their rights to choose, that you want to make them suffer in ignorance?
(Note:  This literally took me less than 10 minutes to find online, read and understand.  Is that too much effort for you?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duros: <i>Absent of evidence, I tried to reassure him that there is a 95% probability that it is false.<br />
Glad to see I was in the ballpark.</i></p>
<p>As noted in &lt;a href=&quot;a post on another thread:</p>
<p>Jay Tea: <i>OL’RetVet, Section 1233, page 424 onward: Senior citizens will be required to have a “death with dignity” consultation with their government-paid doctor or nurse practitioner at least once every five years. Even if you’re Catholic, for example, and refusing life-extending treatment is a mortal sin.</i><br />
<i>Every five years, whether you want to or not, you gotta sit down and have explained to you your option to just give up and die, </i><br />
First you call it the “OK, old people, you gotta just stop costing us so much and die” provision. Then you back up a little and call it the required “death with dignity” consultation.  You really are reaching to give it a “We’re going to kill you” connotation that doesn’t accuratly describe what it is.<br />
If you really had a valid, supportable objection you wouldn’t have to resort to incendiary naming.<br />
Second, <b>everything you said is a complete crock of pure bullshit</b>.<br />
It’s an “advance care planning consultation” and that is an accurate description of what it actually is: a consultation to discuss various things which a person should be aware of as they get older.</p>
<p>Section 1233 which you point to (did you bother to read it or just grab someone else’s talking points?) amends subsection(s)(2) of Section 1861 of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395x).  Section 1861 is just a long list of definitions and subsection (s)(2) just defines what the term “medical and other health services” means by providing a lengthy list of services and items that fall under the definition.  Your Section 1233 merely adds “advance care planning consultation” to that list and then explains what that is:</p>
<blockquote><p>An explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to.<br />
  (B) An explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses.<br />
  (C ) An explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.<br />
  (D) The provision by the practitioner of a list of national and state-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with advance care planning,</p></blockquote>
<p>and, yes, the information provided to the elderly “may include the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining treatment or a similar order.”<br />
That is, to what extent a person wants to continue treatment if they are particularly ill.</p>
<p>There is <b>NOTHING</b> that says this consultation is required.  On the contrary, the every five years is how often a person can have this consultation <i>if they want it at all</i>.  Pretty much the <b>exactly opposite of what you claimed</b>.<br />
There is <b>NOTHING</b> that says “you gotta sit down and have explained to you your option to just give up and die”.  On the contrary, right to die is never mentioned at all, not even euphemistically.  Closest it comes is saying you can get information about your right to control what care you receive, but nothing about taking any steps to end your life.  Pretty much <b>nothing at all like what you claimed</b>.<br />
In sort, this section provides that people be provided with valuable information so that they can understand what is available and make whatever plans and choices they deem fit for themselves.</p>
<p>What is it you have against old people that you want take away their rights to choose, that you want to make them suffer in ignorance?<br />
(Note:  This literally took me less than 10 minutes to find online, read and understand.  Is that too much effort for you?)</p>
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		<title>By: August J. Pollak</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/07/29/kudos-to-fox-news-wendell-goler/#comment-166934</link>
		<dc:creator>August J. Pollak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;the right-wing lie (seen most often on the same Fox News)&lt;/i&gt;

I think you mean, seen most often copy-and-pasted into your comments section.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>the right-wing lie (seen most often on the same Fox News)</i></p>
<p>I think you mean, seen most often copy-and-pasted into your comments section.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, 98.9% probability.</description>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/07/29/kudos-to-fox-news-wendell-goler/#comment-166930</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 13:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so glad you posted this. My boss (a pharmacist) has been asking me whether this death counseling is true or not. He heard it from a friend who watches Fox and believes what they say. Absent of evidence, I tried to reassure him that there is a 95% probability that it is false.
Glad to see I was in the ballpark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so glad you posted this. My boss (a pharmacist) has been asking me whether this death counseling is true or not. He heard it from a friend who watches Fox and believes what they say. Absent of evidence, I tried to reassure him that there is a 95% probability that it is false.<br />
Glad to see I was in the ballpark.</p>
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		<title>By: ironranger</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/07/29/kudos-to-fox-news-wendell-goler/#comment-166894</link>
		<dc:creator>ironranger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the 1st video, did the Bush adm really increase payments for hospice care? Seems very out of character to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the 1st video, did the Bush adm really increase payments for hospice care? Seems very out of character to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jed Lewison</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/07/29/kudos-to-fox-news-wendell-goler/#comment-166880</link>
		<dc:creator>Jed Lewison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 06:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post. I suspect this is about the best we&#039;ll get from Wendell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post. I suspect this is about the best we&#8217;ll get from Wendell.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Willis</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/07/29/kudos-to-fox-news-wendell-goler/#comment-166873</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver Willis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 06:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bad, should be fixed now. Thanks for the heads-up.</description>
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		<title>By: sgwhiteinfla</title>
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		<dc:creator>sgwhiteinfla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 05:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O Dub

I think you posted the wrong video.  That one is just Byron York repeating the lie.</description>
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<p>I think you posted the wrong video.  That one is just Byron York repeating the lie.</p>
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