Sure, he’ll probably be on the short list if Rupert and Roger are forced to do any belt-tightening at FNC, but Wendell Goler deserves credit for this report debunking the right-wing lie (seen most often on the same Fox News) that the health care reform bill forces senior citizens to meet annually with an end-of-life counselor.
As Rachel Maddow pointed out, this is a perfect case study in how the right-wing pipeline operates, from b.s. noise on conservative blogs and magazines to repetition on Fox and talk radio leading to actual injection in the public dialogue.
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I think you posted the wrong video. That one is just Byron York repeating the lie.
My bad, should be fixed now. Thanks for the heads-up.
Good post. I suspect this is about the best we’ll get from Wendell.
From the 1st video, did the Bush adm really increase payments for hospice care? Seems very out of character to me.
I’m so glad you posted this. My boss (a pharmacist) has been asking me whether this death counseling is true or not. He heard it from a friend who watches Fox and believes what they say. Absent of evidence, I tried to reassure him that there is a 95% probability that it is false.
Glad to see I was in the ballpark.
Okay, 98.9% probability.
the right-wing lie (seen most often on the same Fox News)
I think you mean, seen most often copy-and-pasted into your comments section.
Duros: Absent of evidence, I tried to reassure him that there is a 95% probability that it is false.
Glad to see I was in the ballpark.
As noted in <a href="a post on another thread:
Jay Tea: OL’RetVet, Section 1233, page 424 onward: Senior citizens will be required to have a “death with dignity” consultation with their government-paid doctor or nurse practitioner at least once every five years. Even if you’re Catholic, for example, and refusing life-extending treatment is a mortal sin.
Every five years, whether you want to or not, you gotta sit down and have explained to you your option to just give up and die,
First you call it the “OK, old people, you gotta just stop costing us so much and die” provision. Then you back up a little and call it the required “death with dignity” consultation. You really are reaching to give it a “We’re going to kill you” connotation that doesn’t accuratly describe what it is.
If you really had a valid, supportable objection you wouldn’t have to resort to incendiary naming.
Second, everything you said is a complete crock of pure bullshit.
It’s an “advance care planning consultation” and that is an accurate description of what it actually is: a consultation to discuss various things which a person should be aware of as they get older.
Section 1233 which you point to (did you bother to read it or just grab someone else’s talking points?) amends subsection(s)(2) of Section 1861 of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395x). Section 1861 is just a long list of definitions and subsection (s)(2) just defines what the term “medical and other health services” means by providing a lengthy list of services and items that fall under the definition. Your Section 1233 merely adds “advance care planning consultation” to that list and then explains what that is:
and, yes, the information provided to the elderly “may include the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining treatment or a similar order.”
That is, to what extent a person wants to continue treatment if they are particularly ill.
There is NOTHING that says this consultation is required. On the contrary, the every five years is how often a person can have this consultation if they want it at all. Pretty much the exactly opposite of what you claimed.
There is NOTHING that says “you gotta sit down and have explained to you your option to just give up and die”. On the contrary, right to die is never mentioned at all, not even euphemistically. Closest it comes is saying you can get information about your right to control what care you receive, but nothing about taking any steps to end your life. Pretty much nothing at all like what you claimed.
In sort, this section provides that people be provided with valuable information so that they can understand what is available and make whatever plans and choices they deem fit for themselves.
What is it you have against old people that you want take away their rights to choose, that you want to make them suffer in ignorance?
(Note: This literally took me less than 10 minutes to find online, read and understand. Is that too much effort for you?)
That was here.
Thanks very much, Sean.
Any time.
Fun (but not at all surprising) to note, BTW, that Jay Tea completely disappeared from that thread at that point.