Not an ethnic slur at all – Just stated a fact. I have lived among you and Italian American men from your generation are some of the biggest racist I’ve ever encountered. This explains your bigoted pov. And it doesn’t surprise me that your household speaks poorly about Canadians, just another example of the point I made regarding your racist cultural DNA. BTW no interest in locating you but thanks for the offer. I have fled the racist culture that you still embrace whole heartedly. Cheers.

Why would I have to define or explain this proposition? I assume that if you attended school at least to the 8th grade, and have demonstrated sufficient common sense to come inside during a thunderstorm that you understand what I meant.

The Democrats seem to do it primarily with bread and circuses, essentially promising free goodies without having to pay for them…. except with more votes and more power.

Please let us know when freebies are being passed out. Everybody that I grew up with, regardless of the color of their skin, got passed over. My own personal view is that I have been denied so much in this country because of the color of my skin that I damn sure ain’t gonna turn down anything somebody wants to give me because of the color of my skin. I’m just waiting on the freebie line to open up.

The Democrats seem to do it primarily with bread and circuses, essentially promising free goodies without having to pay for them…. except with more votes and more power.

There’s an old saying about when that happens… and seems to be proven more true every say.

This is a straw man argument. The issue is not whether or not you and your fellow GOPers are racists. Black folks won’t support y’all for public office because we don’t agree with your policies. Can you get to that, Frank, and accept it. Most of us, not all of us, do not accept and support the policies advocated by the GOP.

In 1964, for example, when Barry Goldwater was faced with voting for the 1964 Civil Rights Bill he chose, relying on the legal advice of William Rehnquist and Robert Bork, to vote against this bill. In our collective opinion, it doesn’t matter whether Goldwater was a racist or not. The reality is that he was faced with making a decision to could have helped to strike down state sanctioned racial segregation and he chose to vote against the bill.

Secondly, Democrats, who invariably favor activities which preserve the symbiotic relationship between the government and the black community are not, in my view (and the view of many Republicans) being truly helpful to blacks.

Black folks don’t have a symbiotic relationship with the government and they deeply, deeply detest it when you and other GOP activists and promoters make this claim. If black folks have such a relationship then it is no different than the relationship enjoyed by nearly every other citizen in this country. Why do we need to be singled out for your ire?

Here is a link to an essay on this issue I wrote in 2004 that was published at the website BlackElectorate.com:

http://www.blackelectorate.com/articles.asp?ID=1177

When the GOP offers something of value to black voters then they’ll vote for GOP candidates. Until that time, stop your whining, puhlease!

Nice circular logic whining you’ve got going there, Frank. Republicans such as yourself would like to help but can’t because you’re (unjustly, presumably) labeled racist, when it’s your unwillingness to help (not to mention a history of minority-oppressing actions) that lead to your being called racist.

To answer you simply PTCruiser, Republicans would like very much to be involved the effort to bring black citizens to the same lifestyle here in America as its white citizens, but we can not, because we are labeled as racists. Secondly, Democrats, who invariably favor activities which preserve the symbiotic relationship between the government and the black community are not, in my view (and the view of many Republicans) being truly helpful to blacks.
So, we are prevented from helping blacks while at the same time suffering politically for “failure to help them”.
That is frustrating.

Forgive me, wiz, you are partially right. Zython is an ankle biter, and I have let him get on my nerves.
My point was simple, and I didn’t plan on launching a discussion on the President’s body language. Someone mentioned that the policeman had helped Prof Gates , while Pres Obama was paying no attention. I have seen this dozens of times on the news, while recalling that almost any time in the past I had seen the Pres leave a meeting, he was nearly always walking alongside someone in a conversation.

Anecdotal is anecdotal, not inaccurate. I may have stumbled upon the truth in a non-scientific fashion. I am sure someone like Charles Krauthammer, a man who used to practice psychiatry, could provide you with with more evidence that Pres Obama is self-absorbed, perhaps to the point of narcissism.

I know you didn’t Frank (is the banter back and forth with Sean D/Zython wearing on you, making you inadvertently lash out at everyone? Or are you trying to be an obtuse fuck? Point that crap at them, I was just trying to have a non-rant discourse with you)
My statement was genuinely intended to get YOUR take on how if he bowed down (which he didn’t) OR if he was just showing a modicum of courtesy to a monarch, how would either of those actions jibe with your assessment of him as a narcissist? Hell, a savvy narcissist is damn meticulous about his/her body language and making sure it (at least appears to) reaffirm their self-perception of their status/stature.

“And what you “would think” about government corporate culture, means nothing to me.”

Actually I KNOW there are rules governing that sort of thing, I just didn’t want anyone to go “can you cite a reference? Huh? Huh?” ‘cause even though I’ve read some of the written policy in the past, I don’t have it readily at hand, and I’m not inclined to put any extra free time researching obscure details in cyberspace….
I was simply alluding to the slew of protocol policy and guidelines spelled out in Federal executive service policy manuals (and I’m sure the offices of the President and executive branch have an additional mountain of policy/procedures all unto themselves) which I’M SURE specifies things like who walks where, walking into and out of meetings/buildings/cars etc….

“Check back over the news clips of Presidents Bush, Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon.”

What exactly would I be checking for? Assuming you did check, did you empirically check a ‘relevant sample’ of presidential clips and evaluate how many walked (or didn’t walk) ahead of the other persons in the clip and use those figures to come to your contention(hypothesis) that Obama must be a narcissist personality? (and by comparison, the other are not?) I’m sure there are clips of those presidents notably cognizant and adhering to established protocols and others when they’re (relatively) nonchalant and casual about their visible demeanor. I do remember seeing in a documentary on Nixon, a clip of him dressing down a staffer and then physically pushing him to go take care of some issue. I wouldn’t take that observation as a definitive indicator of his character, only that for whatever reason, at that moment, he was pissed. I’ll bet all those presidents you mentioned probably had some similar episodes; just they didn’t make it to videotape. Obama will have some too (probably has already)

I believe your statement is inaccurate (not because some of your views are different from mine) but because it is anecdotal.

What exactly is your obsession about black folks and Democrats? And what do you believe that Democrats have been telling black folks since 1928? Why does the way in which black folks exercise their voting franchise send you and other right-wingers around the bend? Is it because they don’t listen to you? Frank, it seems you have some deep seated issues here. It doesn’t trouble me in the least, for example, about how Italian-Americans vote. In fact, it doesn’t trouble black folks at all about how ethnic Americans vote but it seems to drive many of them, including you, over the edge. What’s up with that?

You said:

You see, they have this silly strategy of drawing terrorists of all types into a weakened , unstable country and killing them like fish in a barrel.

You have a point. You’re supporting using an entire country as bait, not just the civilians, that’s SO much better.

This has absolutely NOTHING — I repeat, NOTHING — to do with kinesiology.

You’re right. What I said is real.

You’re already re-writing my comments; now you want to dictate what I should write?

It’s called a “suggestion”, douchebag. If you want people to think that you believe that white people are “superior” to blacks, then that’s your business. Just another thing to add to the list of horrible things you’ve written.

Please, go away!!!

I’m sorry, I didn’t know this was your blog.

You mean where it says we killed 40,000 terrorists in Iraq?

I see no mention of civilians, or human shields. Now you have actually cited an example of your making sh*t up

You mean like when Bush nearly knocked over a recovering heart surgery patient?

This has absolutely NOTHING — I repeat, NOTHING — to do with kinesiology.

Just say “better off” instead.

You’re already re-writing my comments; now you want to dictate what I should write?

Please, go away!!!

You are simply harassing me, because no one else is telling you what a horse’s ass you have become .

Just say “better off” instead. That should get your meaning across better.

Check back over the news clips of Presidents Bush

You mean like when Bush nearly knocked over a recovering heart surgery patient?

Pretty much all of it. Now go away.

You mean stuff like this?

Again, if you’re THAT ashamed of the stuff you’ve said, you should stop saying this kind of stuff, rather than blame me for bringing it up.

???

PTCruiser: Where did you extract the meaning that the use of violence against Black Americans was justified?

And, as a matter of fact, although I was quite young, I did visit the South around 1957, my first visit having taken place before my 11th Birthday.

And are you saying black people in the South were doing better than whites, as well as whites, or worse than whites ?

Make up your mind…

The fantasy world you’re living in is one where poor whites were doing about as badly as not – very poor blacks . By allowing poor whites to bat blacks around on weekends , and maybe hang a few, rich whites kept themselves in power.

But you keep on believing what the Democrats have been telling you since 1928. It has worked out so well to date, has it not?

We’ll have to change that saying to “Fool me once , shame on you. Fool me 200 times, shame on the Republicans”

I don’t think you ever visited the Deep South during the period when Buckley thought it would be okay to use violence against Black Americans. My recall of my visits is that aside from the restrictions imposed by state sanctioned apartheid that existed then the so-called average white man, as you describe him, in the Deep South did not, on the whole, have it much better than the average black man. The average white man had his white privilege but it didn’t amount to very much except when measured against what blacks were denied. The system didn’t really provide much material wealth and comfort to the average white man and his family in return for their fealty to the illusion of white superiority.

You’re still living in a fantasy land. Worse, you have absolutely no knowledge of how black people in the Deep South actually lived that any Black American should respect. Why don’t you stick to Italian-Amerticans, say, living in Boston’s North End.

And sometimes more than one thing.

Granted “oak” is fairly specific. My dictionary shows only two definitions essentially the same definitions (any tree or shrub belonging to the genus Quercus of the beech family; the wood or leaves of such a tree).

It shows over a dozen for “superior”. Including “of higher grade or quality”.

But don’t let me stop you from comparing the adjective superior to the noun oak.

Good God! Did schools teach that there was only one meaning for everything back in your day?

You are kidding, right?

Words mean things, OK?

I cannot choose to use a word other than , say, “oak”, because to you, “oak” means a blue triangular object.

Good God!

What the heck are they teaching in school nowadays?

Yes, Frank. I got your meaning perfect fine. Perhaps I didn’t make myself clear enough. “You really should be more careful when discussing a topic where words, and the perceived meaning of words, is paramount.”

Better.

I have grown weary of this name calling that stands in for argument. Tell me clearly: Using any material measurement by which to compare a white person’s lifestyle with a black person’s lifestyle, that the average black man in the Deep South was doing as well as the average white man. I say use these measurements: income, general health, nutrition, life expectancy, education, housing. Care to pick some others ? Go ahead.

You really should be more careful when discussing a topic where words, and the meaning of words, is paramount

That’s YOUR problem — not mine. “Superior” means better than, and referred to the conditions, not the people. I made that quite clear. If you didn’t get it, don’t blame me .

Wasn’t this clear enough?

Was that their fault? No Was it evidence that they were inferior to whites, or that whites were superior to them ? NO.

Wiz: I did not say a damn thing about his bowing down to the Saudi leader. And what you “would think” about government corporate culture, means nothing to me. Check back over the news clips of Presidents Bush, Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon.

If it’s part of the “basic protocol element in government corporate culture”, it came into existence on Jan 21, 2009.

What the hell did I “make up”
Pretty much all of it. Now go away.

So when he supposedly “bowed down” to that mid-east monarch (and conservatives had a fit about that one) how did that advance his self-perception about his place of power? And I would think a president walking ahead of others is a basic protocol element in government corporate culture. Your observation/assessment seems a tad inaccurate.