What difference would it make? Even if he said ‘yes, I’m an american citizen’, and then ran behind stage and pulled out the birth certificate that he provided to DOS already, naysayers would continue to say it was a fake an he’s a non-citizen-lying-socialist-muslim-liberal-bastard…..

Umm…anyone else want to comment on the irony of this statement?

That’s right Den-Den; I’m a race-baiter. I falsely accused Whalen of being racist and admitted it and apologized for it, clearly making me anti-White, despite being of mixed race myself, including Caucasian heritage. Your charge is as idiotic as Beck calling Obama a racist.

The facts of this case have dribbled out piecemeal, so people rushed to judgment, including me; the difference between you and I is that I’m willing to admit when I’m wrong, something you will never do, as you have the selfless character trait of never making a mistake.

Must be lonely up there on your pedestal of self righteousness.

You’ve been defending Crowley and castigating Gates since this story broke, as well as suggesting anyone who felt differently than you was unjustifiably persecuting both Crowley and the police in general, and you’re now declaring that I’m a race baiter, which I suppose is code for anti-White racist. Will you be willing to admit that you also haven’t had access to all the facts in this case, and may also be judging it based on what little information is out there? Or will you continue to support your position as though you are the only one with an opinion based on irrefutable facts?

Have a nice day.

Go for it. You think he carries it with him?

You want a forum where you can vent and say crazy shit without anyone asking what you’re talking about, fine, I’ll leave you to your own devices.

No you won’t; and for someone who appears regularly on a left wing blog to demean and castigate 99% of the posters whose views are diametrically opposed to yours by hurling childish insults and taunts, you’re not in a very strong position to lecture me on maturity.

You called it a falsification. Do you know something no one else at this point seems to know?’

Do you?

No, and that’s why I didn’t call it a falsification. I’m also not saying Gates lied when he said he didn’t say anything about Crowley’s mother, that he must’ve got it from JJ on Good Times, because I don’t know that either.

If you want to get some things off your chest for incidents that occurred to you, or what you know about racial profiling in general, fine, I’d be happy to listen. None of those things make Crowley any more or any less guilty in this case, though.

Oh, and those who thought the issue was race motivated, like myself, are also ignorant whiners complaining about an issue that has long since passed into the realm of historic anachronism.

Racism is dead, and minorities just won’t let it go.

Does that satisfy you?

No one but you seems to understand the issue with the wisdom and clarity you’ve offered; thanks for putting us all in our place.

Do you?

If those of us who thought race was the predominant factor in this case can back away from that hasty judgment based on what little facts are now known, why is it so hard for those who automatically condoned Crowley’s behavior to question his official report which seems inconsistent with the statements made by the 911 caller?

What are you talking about. People here have toned down the rhetoric considerably about the racist aspects of this case, but it’s hard to understand how you would characterize the comments of the Gates defenders as having ‘backed away from that hasty judgment’.

And if you ever apologized for calling Lucia Whalen a bitch anytime after and before this thread, I’ll apologize, because I haven’t seen it if you have. That’s central to my question of why you thought she was a bitch before, and now accept her statement if it implicates Crowley and hurts his reputation for filing a falsification.

How does that not constitute a falsehood to you?

Umm, a falsification is quite different than a falsehood. As I stated, other people here have termed it an inconsistency, a discrepancy. You called it a falsification. Do you know something no one else at this point seems to know?

You claim to be an adult in your second post, but in the first, you resort to the Obama birther throwaway line, when you know no one here has claimed to be an Obama birther. Very adult of you, junior.

The guy is a Harvard professor, not a shock jock.

What is he SUPPOSED to contribute in your opinion?

Unlike Bush, President Obama is not above admitting when he is wrong, nor is he above trying to rectify a situation that has clearly captured the interest of the nation.

Maybe you would prefer he take an extended vacation and just clear some brush?

That’s right I did; again I’m not too superior to admit when I’ve been mistaken. Being human means being prone to mistakes.

The difference between an adult and a child is that when adults make mistakes they are expected to admit to them and learn something from them. I’ve admitted that I was among those who rushed to judge the incident as indicative of racism, because I’ve seen and been subjected to such acts myself. Does that justify my pre-judgment in this case? No, but is should sure as Hell help to explain it to people who have NEVER been in that position, though based on the comments supporting Crowley and criticizing Gates, that’s not at all the case.

Those who automatically defended Sgt. Crowley are still maintaining that he did NOTHING wrong, which is not supported by his own police department, which promptly dropped the charges against Gates, nor are they at all critical of the fact his report on the incident contains some factual discrepancies.

Don’t be so quick to point out that other people make mistakes, particularly as you yourself haven’t left the impression, overtly or otherwise, that you may exhibit the same human tendencies, or go the further step of actually admitting or apologizing for them.

How can you solve anything that doesn’t exist? There’s no racism in America, is there? Haven’t you Crowley defenders been arguing that Gates was rightfully arrested and Obama didn’t know what he was talking about, whereas all of you did?
Now at least you all can get back to the real issue of Obama’s citizenship.

‘I know about that. Again, we don’t know about the inconsistency. My question to you was why do you presume it was a falsification, and why do you presume that this nullifies the other officers who say Crowley is not racist nor was acting in a racist manner toward Gates? You are rushing to a judgment, and I’m simply asking you why you would tend to do that.

First of all, I never nullified anything the other officers said; it’s becoming more and more evident that the facts of the case have never been fully verified, which hasn’t stopped you or others from holding your positions based on the same lack of information everyone else, including myself, have been exposed to. The difference is that what has been reported is that the 9/11 caller did not identify the men she saw as Black, although Crowley in his report claims she did in a conversation with him in which she maintains she never said they were Black.

How does that not constitute a falsehood to you? What is now certain is that both men acted in haste and with poor judgment, but one ended up in jail, which doesn’t seem to bother those who have defended Crowley from the beginning. If those of us who thought race was the predominant factor in this case can back away from that hasty judgment based on what little facts are now known, why is it so hard for those who automatically condoned Crowley’s behavior to question his official report which seems inconsistent with the statements made by the 911 caller?

Doesn’t seem that difficult.

So… if someone at his next conference asks about his birth certificate, he’ll be compelled to answer it?

Only if you ask him three times. He’s like a Dr. Evil henchman.

God forbid someone ASKS him about it at a PRESS conference or anything.

(Evil thought time)
So… if someone at his next conference asks about his birth certificate, he’ll be compelled to answer it?

J.

SFC makes a good point. Who asked him about it, anyway?

Lynn Sweet of the Chicago Sun-Times, Duros. She’s been covering him for quite a while.

Too late for that, SFC. Obama won.