Its like a test where the sane people know the answer already.
The measure Abercrombie will introduce commemorates the 50th anniversary of Hawaii’s statehood. But here’s the rub, his spokesman tells me: It describes Hawaii as Barack Obama’s birthplace.
‘In the language of the resolution, there is a statement that Hawaii is the birthplace of the 44th President of the United States,’ Abercrombie spokesman Dave Helfert confirms.
That confronts House GOPers with a choice: They can vote for the measure, and endorse the idea that Obama was born in Hawaii, which could earn the wrath of birthers. Or they can vote against commemorating the 50th state’s joining of our blessed Union. Or GOPers can skip the vote, but that could look nutty.
UPDATE: Looks like Michelle Bachmann blocked the resolution. I guess she wants the “real” birth certificate too?
Abercrombie’s a DLC-loving douchebag but damn, this is genius.
So, politicians who refuse to render a yay or nay vote on an issue are “nutty”? Got it.
most will simply skip the vote – won’t prove much other than their cowardice at potentially alienating the nuttier fringe elements of their supposed electorate
Or they could follow the route of aspiring Presidential candidates and vote “present”.
Wait…what percentage of Democrats think the government was responsible/behind planning 9/11? Hahahaha
Wait…what percentage of Democrats think the government was responsible/behind planning 9/11? Hahahaha
Well, you can afford to laugh. All the truthers in the GOP bolted with Ron Paul.
“So politicians who refuse to render a yay or nay vote on an issue are “nutty”?
Commemorating the anniversary of Hawaii’s statehood isn’t an “issue.” Swing and a miss!
378 to zip, 55 not voting, 20 of them Republican. Yes, Bachmann is batshit.
In a perfect world, this would kill the story dead.
Wait…what percentage of Democrats think the government was responsible/behind planning 9/11?
None that I know about, but I will inspect your evidence.
Oh, you didn’t have any?
Well then, there you have it. Only the GOP is crazy.
Okay, so, to clarify, it is perfectly fine for a politician to not render a yay or a nay on important issues, but not okay for them to blow off minor things like commemorating statehood.
35 Democrats not voting?
Maybe that’s the New Math , but when I went to school ,35 was a larger number than 20!
And, besides, let’s look at the facts. A man running for President of the United States was born in Hawaii. You can’t drive to the Department of Vital Statistics. His father was known to have been born in Africa. Can’t just zip over there and talk to the County Clerk.
So you ask for a document that many of us keep in our homes. You don’t get it. Why not?
You wonder.
Then you get “Proof of Birth”
You wonder.
You try to sue, and you get blocked by Democratic lawyers.
You wonder.
You wonder why he doesn’t get his Birth Certificate out of that Accordion File we all have marked “Important Papers” , mail it to someone, and say, “Can we drop this now?”
Yes, you wonder .
Don’t use second person when you’re discussing your own insanity, Frank.
Commemorating statehood isn’t a “minor thing.” Congratulations on insulting the good people of Hawaii.
Finally they can put this issue to bed and begin the real substantive focus on whether Obama is a Muslim.
Health care? What does that have to do with Obama being a Socialist/terrorist?
These are big issues people….
“And, besides, let’s look at the facts. A man running for President of the United States was born in Hawaii.”
Yep. End of story.
Frank, you’re pretty much making Oliver’s point for him re: birthers like you being batshit insane racists.
Thank you for that. Thank you very much. Because a person with AN AFRICAN FATHER can’t possibly be a good, pure US citizen, no sir.
Honestly, the GOP has turned into the KKK without masks. And in the long run that’s a good thing for America, because the party is doomed and can’t do any more damage to our country.
BTW Frank, how do we know you’re a US citizen? Care to provide some evidence? And no, a birth certificate isn’t good enough. Let’s be consistent in our bigotry, shall we?
Frank, you’ve got an alternate reality set of facts.
The FACTS are, Obama, via his campaign staff, provided an official short-form birth certificate containing all the requisite information. That copy has been analyzed to death and confirmed to be valid. The State of Hawaii (department of health and state registrar) have verified that the original document is on file in state health dept records.
What the heck are you ‘wondering’ about? Stop listening to the birther conspiracy blogospherechatter……
Nah, let him continue to fumble and drool in his bigotry.
Can all you explain why BO sister has a COLB from Hawaii when she was born in Indonesia ? Transcripts from his school and full medical records should also be shown. McCain produced his. Is it that hard for BO to produce his papers? Any of you seen these papers.Must be great to follow in blind faith. Kinda like not reading the bills before they are voted on.Always a surprise inside.How petty to make fun of people that want to see proof .Aren’t you the same people that make fun of bible thumpers too. With that same prove it . A bill that says he is is not proof. It’s a sell out of the American people.
And they continue to pretend this is about anything more than simple racism.
I am not a “Birther”… Even if I believed Pres Obama was born on the Moon I would not accept a label put on me by you.
I am who I am.
I seem to remember that he has not provided a simple copy of his original hospital birth certificate TO THIS DATE.
Jaime, I know that now that I have insulted you will be a pissant. Your remarks mean nothing.
I have one of mine on my kitchen table : Time of birth, Doctor’s name, Dad’s signature. Why doesn’t President Obama have one?
And , Jaime , you asshole , the fact that his father is African means he was born in Africa, you dolt !!
Charlize Theron is African.
Calling people names is precisely why I have little respect for liberals. They throw a name at people and walk away like they have spit on you. And as you, Jaim, well know , you are another keyboard commando. If you tried to call me a racist to my face you would be getting your ass kicked – if you even had the balls .
Let’s wrap this nonsense up:
There was a time that “liberalism” recognized the sovereignty of the individual, against which no state could stand.
That is gone. Liberals now “determine” which groups we can recognize: we cannot categorize people by sex, race, personal achievement, or wealth.
They can, and do, “cluster” people at will: birthers, truthers, deniers, fundies, christianers, racists, xenophobes, transphobes, homophobes.
That is the truth you face.
The lie you told : I hate foreigners.
The lie you told : That I believe Pres Obama was not born in Hawaii.
The lie you told : I am a racist.
My general practitioner physician’s name is DR Mohan K. Cheema. He became my respiratory specialist over 12 years ago, and has been my GP for over 4 years. Needless to say, he speaks English with an Indian accent. (I don’t suppose it ever occurred to any of you that the reason I have encountered so many people who speak poor English in my public life, is because of earnest employers trying to please politically correct people like you.)
The idea that I am a racist is laughable. I will not fill this space with the evidence against that ridiculous assertion.
Everyone on this blog that has something negative to say about Barack Obama, go straight to hell in a handbag!!!! President Bush wasn’t shit when it came to the People, and at least President Obama is trying. Anything that deals with a person of African-American descent, you morons will always have something negative to say!!! For instance, let’s touch down on Michael Jackson, it’s not enough that you have been bashing him for the past 8+ years of his life, but you refuse to give credit where credit is due. Mike has done so much on a global and international level until it is unreal and yet you want to compare him to the likes of Elvis Presley. Elvis was nowhere near or on the same level as Michael and because you people are so inferior of us “black” people, that is, if it isn’t white, talk white, or sit white, it isn’t right. Michael is and will always be in a league by himself. And you should not throw stones if you live in a glass house, because when it comes to being a pedophile, since this is what you claim Michael is known for, let’s look at your Catholic church pastor’s. They have been molesting young boys for years and what do ya’ll do (let me go there) you move them from parish to parish to continue doing what they do so well, rob young boys and young men of their innocence. So what cuz the President doesn’t readily have his birth certificate to show to you people, who the f–k are you anyways? Leave him alone, he’s African American and Hawian and nothing will change that anytime soon, regardless to all of your nit picking. And for your Mr. Limbaugh, find a better hobby, your ass ain’t no saint either.
Next they will be introducing legislation to make pi equal to 3.
Just because they pass a “resolution” doesn’t make it so. They, and we, would be better served if they passed legislation compelling all candidates for Federal office to produce their original bona fides each and every time they seek office, including original birth certificate and any other documents relating to citizenship status in the United States and/or other countries; scholastic records, etc.
Obama has shown how to do it, including having his Attorney General violate Federal conflict of interest laws and tame judges arbitrarily dismiss the lawsuits.
This precedent cannot be allowed to stand unchallenged and unaddressed by the legislative branch.
“Birther” be damned. Derogatory labels don’t change facts, either.
Birthers with a pre-conceived notion will point to anything that validates their belief. Unfortunately, the rest of us have to suffer while watching it.
Each state has a different way to doing things, including how they issue driver’s licenses, marriage certs. and birth certs. So because the certificate looks different from theirs, these birthers jump on that. Cuz when you’re crazy, anything supports your argument.
Wow, Frank is in full meltdown mode today. Did he just play the “My doctor is Indian, I couldn’t be a racist”-card? And then say he “encountered so many people who speak poor English in my public life, is because of earnest employers trying to please politically correct people like you”. Poor poor Frank, having to suffer because of other people’s White Man’s Burden.
You know Frank may be right, I hear David Duke can’t be a racist because he sat next to a half-Korean guy on a bus once.
And Frank, for what it’s worth, I remember when “conservatism” didn’t have its head completely up its own ass. But then, I do have the advantage of being older than most of the people here.
That’s true of any believer in nefarious conspiracies. Moon-landing hoax, 9-11 Truthers, Alex Jones’ audience. Anything which disproves the conspiracy is part of the conspiracy because it’s something placed there to throw you off the trail. For example, I think I’d seen someone here on OW.com mention that “of course you’d see contemparary newspaper mentions of Barack’s birth! His mom wanted to establish the lie back then to collect welfare!” or something along those lines.
Honestly, if you’re on the right: Ignore them. Dismiss their claims outright and drive on. What are they going to do? Not donate the $20 they have to spare to your campaign? Throw their support behind a Democrat? Any acknowledgment costs support from the disaffected middle who will be prison-sexed by what President Obama’s administration will wind up doing. Don’t cost yourself that by paying a lick of attention to people who’d vote for Kuncinich if they were Liberal.
No, Crusty Dem , you’re just old enough to be obtuse.
I am not a racist because you say I am ; I am not a racist because I say what I am, and I say I am not a racist.
And if you improve your reading skills, you will notice that I was addressing the issue of the politically contrived “xenophobia” (when I introduced a difficulty with language, not their ethnicity) which sounds like “a fear of life on other planets”.
This one you made up : “Poor poor Frank, having to suffer because of other people’s White Man’s Burden.I neither said nor implied anything like that. Perhaps it is you who has rectally inserted his cranium.
Wait…what percentage of Democrats think the government was responsible/behind planning 9/11? Hahahaha
A HELL of a lot less than believe Barack is a Kenyan, I can guarantee you that.
Anything which disproves the conspiracy is part of the conspiracy because it’s something placed there to throw you off the trail.
Isn’t there a name for that? Oh yeah, paranoid schizophrenia.
I am not a racist because you say I am ; I am not a racist because I say what I am, and I say I am not a racist.
Proof positive. Frank isn’t racist because he says he ain’t. wanna make something of it?
Seriously? This birth certificate garbage is pure nonsense, but that attitude is just the other extreme.
Buzz, you didn’t even highlight the best part of that rant.
You wonder why he doesn’t get his Birth Certificate out of that Accordion File we all have marked “Important Papers” , mail it to someone, and say, “Can we drop this now?”
He did that. You won’t.
The Republican governor said she saw the original and it was genuine. What more do you want?
I don’t have my original birth certificate, do you, Frank? Written on the original papyrus?
On the scale of things the United States Congress needs to deal with. Yes it is. It is very minor. If I am insulting the people of Hawaii with that attitude, then I will be just as insulting to the people of Arizona and New Mexico when a minor resolution recognizing it’s 100th anniversary happens in 2012.
As a matter of fact, where was Alaska’s 50th anniversary resolution? Oregon’s 150th anniversary passed in Feburary with nary a peep from Congress.
Oh Frank, I didn’t say you were a racist, I was merely mocking your ridiculous defense. Although it would appear you’re attempting to top yourself with:
Which might be the stupidest thing said this week by someone who is not Sarah Palin. Longer Seussified Frank:
I am not racist on the bus, I am not racist with my friend Gus.
I am not racist in the car, I am not racist at the bar.
I am not racist, I’m the creme de creme, I am not racist Crusty Dem.
I just wish we could get rid of all the Mexicans.
Nope, you’re just a moron.
Duros: Papyrus? How about cuneiform ?
Seriously, one of my copies is so old, it used a gold foil pressed stamp for certification.
The handwriting on the birth certificate looks like the Clerk learned the same handwriting style as Pres A.Lincoln.
See, Duros, that’s the thing. Why would the Governor have to look at it and say it’s the real thing? If I were a Senator from Illinois, I would call up the City Court Clerk of Honolulu, and ask him for a big favor: Could you find my original birth certificate , copy it and mail it to me? You will become a footnote in the history of this Election.
Done.
But noooooooooooooooo …
Here’s a true story for you. Years ago, I saw a documentary on building of the World Trade Center. They interviewed the architect – a man named Pei.
He explained how he had designed the building so that if there were ever a major structural failure, the building would fall straight down inside a girder framework , thus preventing the buildings from falling over on other buildings and people.
When the “truthers” or “9/11 was no accident” people came along, the first thing they said was that the building looked like charges had been set, because it fell straight down.
The architect is dead, but the film must still be around. Why wasn’t it shown to answer these questions? PBS has it.
When JFK was assassinated there were pictures of him reaching for his throat. The “Oswald was not alone” people pointed to that as evidence that he was shot from two different directions. But pathologists pointed out that there is some of weird reflex that takes place when you are shot in the head. You begin to drown, and reach for your throat.
I was taught by a Red Cross life saving instructor that real evidence that you are drowning is not when you wave your hands in the air, and you yell, “Help! Help!”. Real evidence is when you hold your throat, because you are not breathing anymore.
My point is that these people can be refuted, and should be. They think they are fighting for the Land They Love. Treating them like that Dippy Neighbor Down The Street is not always the best strategy.
People still think Hiss was framed.
People still think FDR was prewarned of the attack on Pearl Harbor.
Some people even think there were other people involved in shooting Lincoln.
“If I were a Senator from Illinois, I would call up the City Court Clerk of Honolulu, and ask him for a big favor: Could you find my original birth certificate , copy it and mail it to me?”
I’m sure that was a viable option, but since the state dept (the only office who’s ’satisfaction’ is relevant in this clusterf$%k) had no problem with the documentation they were provided, why would he do that? To placate the blogosphere? F$#k the blogosphere….
p.s. the state record holder (dept of health in this instance) DID find AND verify the appropriate document as being on file…
Frank, you are spot on about Pei’s design strategy. Problem is, conspiracy theorists WERE confronted with this data. I actually saw a documentary where this data and more were specifically presented to refute the conspiracy claims. Of course, they chose to simply ignore it ’cause it didn’t fit their version of reality….
“Can all you explain why BO sister has a COLB from Hawaii when she was born in Indonesia ?”
Assuming that’s true , I personally have no idea. But then, since BO sister is not the president, why would I (or the state department) give a rats ass?? Is she planning on running for office?
Oh Frank, I didn’t say you were a racist, I was merely mocking your ridiculous defense
There you go again. First you say something. Then you just say, “No, I didn’t say that”, and imagine that Poof! It just goes away.
Then you pronounce me a moron, and I suppose I am then magically transformed into one of those.
All you liberals think words are things – that’s why you treasure your labels.
“You’re a fascist”
“You’re an imperialist”
“You’re a corporate tool”
So if I sound like Dr. Seuss, that may be because it seems to be an appropriate response to children calling names because they have nothing intelligent to say.
And Frank accuses me of reading comprehension issues? Frank, where’d I call you a racist? I don’t think you are, though I do think you’re a deliberately obtuse schmuck when any topic even obliquely related to race comes up. Which just makes you a doddering old fool who appears to get off on bring called a racist, a pleasure I will not grant you. I have called you a moron, but that’s pretty well established at this point..
Somebody has to change Frank’s diapers now. Yuck.
Sorry, I have to admit I’m not up on all the fringe celebs out there, case in point, I JUST heard of/saw for the first time, this lady Orly Taitz, on Colbert Report.
All I can say is: WHAT THE FUCK, HUH? WHAT?…!!?!??!!
My face during the interview—> :-O
I also had the weird thought after the way her persona(and perspective) startled me….like what if there was a world where Borat (or that character Andy Kaufmann used to do) were real?
I know, I’m rambling, but damn, listening to her really threw me….
The architect is dead, but the film must still be around. Why wasn’t it shown to answer these questions? PBS has it.
I know. I’ve seen it. Post-9/11 too.