’m pointing out that Oliver has been completely one-sided in his criticism of Bush, no matter what level the Dow was and no matter what the unemployment rate was. And he’s been completely one-sided on Obama to the positive, too (although we don’t seem to be getting any more pictures lately of Bam in a Superman outfit). To expect me to cheer for Obama now at the Dow going above 9,000 because I was critical before, when he was always critical of Bush with not one positive thing to say about him, Dow 14,000 or Dow 9,000, is inconsistent on his part no matter what standards one uses, LongHaired.

Let me see if I’ve got this right.

Oliver was always critical of Bush, whether the Dow and unemployment was good or not. So, by being consistent, he was… hmmm.

Because he was consistent… no, we can’t turn that around into something inconsistent. Because Oliver’s criticism wasn’t based upon the Dow.

Whereas yours was – you did blame Obama for the Dow’s drop. By “scaring investors”, which is to say, by not lying about the state of the economy.

Are you starting to see the issue here?

No one is saying you have to say that Obama is a great President just because the Dow is up. They’re saying if you’re going to blame him for its fall, you should credit him for its rise.

BTW, given the choice of shortening my name, I prefer to be referred to as a “Weirdo;” it’s a lot more person-place-or-thingish than “Longhaired” which has a kind of adjectival feel to it. Some folks use LHW, which works, too.

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you sound like a victim. you sound as if someone misquote you or took you out of context when you were making “Jesus Help this president” comment daily when the market was down. It was OLIVER, I repeat, OLIVER had to remind you time after time to stop using the market as an indicator on how well a president or political party does because it wasn’t a good standard of measure. But that didn’t stop you from boasting the doom and gloom when things were down. Things in fact were down.

Now they’re up. Care to ask Jesus to help the President now? Or do you only refer to the market when its convenient for you to blame how bad it is on the Democrats. It’s just that simple.

Dennis, pointing out that you use inconsistent standards does not obligate someone to accept those standards as valid. People are merely pointing out that your reasoning seems quite inconsistent.
–LongHaired

I’m pointing out that Oliver has been completely one-sided in his criticism of Bush, no matter what level the Dow was and no matter what the unemployment rate was. And he’s been completely one-sided on Obama to the positive, too (although we don’t seem to be getting any more pictures lately of Bam in a Superman outfit). To expect me to cheer for Obama now at the Dow going above 9,000 because I was critical before, when he was always critical of Bush with not one positive thing to say about him, Dow 14,000 or Dow 9,000, is inconsistent on his part no matter what standards one uses, LongHaired.

If you think Obama is doing a stand-up job on the economy, by all means, stand up and shout it out. So far here, about the only positive anyone here has said on this now one full day-old thread is that the Dow is above 9,000.
Hardly a ringing endorsement from the community of the reality-based. Nor is it justification for me to give him due credit.

Just curious, Oliver, how much credit did you give Bush for the Dow when it hit 14,000? Did you ever give Bush credit for anything related to the markets, ever, the Dow or the unemployment rate? Even once?

Dennis, pointing out that you use inconsistent standards does not obligate someone to accept those standards as valid. People are merely pointing out that your reasoning seems quite inconsistent.

And I think there’s a good reason. In this discussion, you’ve claimed that Obama scared investors. This reminds me of the joke about how “no, those pants don’t make your ass look fat, your ass makes your ass look fat.”

In order to claim that Obama scared investors (rather than making prudent statements) you’d need to show that the metaphorical ass was slender-looking until the metaphorical pants went on. And it wasn’t.

I’ll leave the extraneous and obvious insult about asses as an exercise for the reader.

So, we’re all to give credit to Bush for the Dow’s record high, but when it comes to its record failure at the end of his tenure, he gets a pass?

How does that work?

Shorter Dennis: The markets going down earlier were all Obama’s fault. But if they go up, he gets no credit. Give me a break.

Just curious, Oliver, how much credit did you give Bush for the Dow when it hit 14,000? Did you ever give Bush credit for anything related to the markets, ever, the Dow or the unemployment rate? Even once?

Obama had six months, and in fact some things have started to improve like the stock market. Unemployment is the important number, however, and its also a lagging indicator.

So if we can grant eight years of unabated spending and disastrous economic policy to Chimpy, I think we can give Obama at least a full two years before we start to write him off.

Frank writes “The government cannot create jobs or wealth.” Funny, but government spending is exactly how we got out of the Great Depression through Federal job programs or, if you prefer, massive government recruitment for World War II.

Do you have any shame in being wrong about anything and everything Frank?

Wait, so this all comes down to how long a jolt is? Dude, good luck nailing that one down.

How does it feel to get schooled by Biden?

Damn! Did I take what one of those winguts said seriously again?

But wow, what a classic from Dennis:

because what I said Obama was doing and what the effects on investors at the time were, was true, no matter what happens now or anytime going forward.

Then there’s Frank, outdoing himself:

The perimeters of this mental exercise extend infinitely into time and space

No comment necessary,

You must love the modern GOP in that case; they keep swinging even when they’re not at bat.

Well be fair; not every party has a Michelle Bachmann to lean on.

No shit; six whole months and the problems of the universe haven’t been solved?

Unthinkable; where’s Palin and her magic iceberg to save the day?

How do you explain Haliburton and Blackwater doing so well?

Fact is, Obama didn’t cause the market to go down all by himself, but he did scare people at the time.
Shorter Dennis: The markets going down earlier were all Obama’s fault. But if they go up, he gets no credit. Give me a break.

I’m just a d-bag making comments on a blog
Truer words never spoken.

I hope it recovers and stays that way, but don’t expect an apology from me if and when it does, because what I said Obama was doing and what the effects on investors at the time were, was true, no matter what happens now or anytime going forward.

And Chow Shark, why do you expect an apology from me and why do your characterize what Oliver said as being clairvoyant, when Obama and Biden and their adminstration has been all over the place with their predictions, restatements and miscalculations? I’m just a d-bag making comments on a blog, those guys are the ones you should be angry at. In the end, this isn’t about me at all.