That’s not an interpretation of what he said. That’s a direct quote from resident MSNBC crazy racist Pat Buchanan.
Black slaves picking cotton
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What? African slaves? Chinese railroad workers? Hispanic lettuce pickers?
Well…um…who do you think made them do all that work, huh?
White guys, that’s who!
” ‘You can have this land as long as the grass grows and the river flows (or we find oil).’ Well, they finally found a solution. They put us where the grass didn’t grow and the river didn’t flow.”
Will Rogers
Rodgers. Even with preview.
Crap. Time for new contacts.
Normandy, maybe not. But:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Chicago_disaster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Airmen
And Stalin built the USSR – from gangs of pitchforked peasants to a military superpower.
Why is there always a group of people who’re willing to give all the credit to the ruthless megalomaniac?
And some of the worst with that mindset are libertarians!
NO one group built this nation. The poor, of every ethnic group have been exploited, and even NOT exploited. The idea that only minority groups built this nation is as wrong as saying the white man built it. Pat is correct in that white men were the driving force and directors of our nation… but that does not mean they hefted the entire load. They simply did not, as didn’t any other group.
Myths are kept alive by people who think they can benefit from the myth, or by ignorance. We all need to do OUR part by calling it like it is/was no matter WHO says it wrong… to include those who would like to make more of a comment made in part of a discussion than probably needs be, and less so when it is not a shown pattern of thinking or statements. Pat is not a “racist”. He did say something that was not fully thought out though. And I hope he pays more attention next time.
Well, if you mean like the “builder” who hires a bunch of contractors, subcontractors, and laborers to build a house. And if by “hire” you mean enslave, conquer, impress, and indentured servitude, well, then, okay.
by white, he means white ex-Irish, Italian or Jew; by built he means oversaw the management of non-white labor
Why lookee here, more racist Republicans:
http://wonkette.com/409928/yet-again-email-republican-elected-officials-repulsive-racism
No signs of slowing down, apparently.
Wow. Just wow.
False equivalence and/or attempted misdirection in 3…2…
Ex-Irish? How do they do that?
What will it take to get him fired? Last week he endorsed drowning Levi Johnston. What’s next?
If all of you think white people are SO bad, wouldn’t it be better if we just segregated? (Eventually I think that is what will happen).
If you’re black, please explain to me why you need or deserve special privileges. Why, for example, should a white man who scores higher on a standardized test be pass over and you given admission to say Annapolis (I use this example because it was finally revealed just how much lee way the admissions board was giving minorities).
But back to Buchanan’s point. Did Egyptians create Egyptian civilization (I know many blacks like to claim Egypt was ruled by blacks, but let’s save such foolishness for another day) or did the Hittite and Jewish slaves?
The Greeks had slaves…are they responsible for what we call Greek civilization?
Oh and here’s a favorite of mine, as I am sure ALL of you know over 1 million whites were enslaved by the Barbaray pirates from about 1500-1815….now are English, Irish, Italian, French and Spanish slaves the ‘creators ‘ North African civilization?
This guy has been causing problems for conservatives forever now. You sure you guys don’t want him? Please?
He’s not dumb. But you’d have to be dumb to make a statement any high school freshman could falsify.
Is he just throwing red meat?
This guy has been causing problems for conservatives forever now. You sure you guys don’t want him? Please?
Causing problems for conservatives? He’s the living embodiment of Teh Base! A feature not a bug and whatnot. You (and MSNBC) own him. Sorry.
“we need to reach out to stormfront posters”-MSNBC
I Pat Buchanan is thrown into the Arena in only a loin cloth. Armed with tridents and spears, the liberals take him on, hamstrung and blindfolded. Who will win this close match?
I should be !
“White men built this country.”
Duh.
My hope to find a low the wingnuts wouldn’t sink to was disappointed once more. Thanks a lot Frank!
Funny how Buchanan did not mind affirmative action when he was a young man. Back then, it was getting a doctor to write a phony note so that you can get deferred out of going to Vietnam, which Buchanan did. Whereas middle and upper class white guys could opt out, unlike their working and lower class white, black, & brown counterparts. That is one sort of affirmative action Pat is down with.
Gotta be either willful ignorance or just plain intellectual dishonesty on Pat’s part to downplay Sotomayor graduating summa cum laude from Princeton in the 70s. There wasn’t a soft grading system there in the 70s. She got in under Affirmative Action, and then she kicked everyone else’s butt academically. That’s a pretty much textbook definition of “optimal outcome”.
Did anyone watch this? What did Maddow say in reply to that?
The Media Matters video cuts it off just when she’s about to reply. Did she let him off the hook or counter in any way that put him in his place?
Pat Bewcannon is just upset knowing that his kind, the bitter angry white male, is dying out once and for all and the younger generations dont give a shit about who is black or who is gay anymore. The GOP used to get tons of mileage from it too, but it just doesn’t have the same effect with these changing demographics.
I really hope they continue to run with cultural issues like gay rights, abortion, etc. All the issues that they have failed at for the last 35 years, but they are too stupid and short sighted to understand that these issues don’t win elections anymore, at least not where it counts.
They really painted themselves into a corner and it’s a hoot watching them sputter and flail trying to figure out what went wrong. Karl Rove and his dream of a permanent republican majority for a generation was dead before it left the table.
That Buchanan can argue against affirmative action is laughable. The man benefited from special consideration for his race and economic status his whole life. He grew up in a segregated neighborhood, when that was the law. He got out of Vietnam by getting a phony doctor’s report – an avenue pursued by middle and upper class whites.
That doesn’t mean I like what he’s about. Come on, aren’t liberals supposed to embrace everyone?
Sorry – posted the same thing twice (slightly different wording).
Also, Buchanan rails against the government, yet he served in the Nixon, Ford, and Reagan White House – and still collects a government pension. He sounds the warning bells about federal spending, but cannot account for the millions of dollars his presidential campaign received in 2000.
Look, I am not a fan of affirmative action. I just don’t want Pat Buchanan making the case for me.
Hilarious Willis, you ban all comments that refute your nonsense. I am not surprised. Anyway:
“She got in under Affirmative Action, and then she kicked everyone else’s butt academically”
No, she did not. Sorry, one does not go from being told to read children books over the summer to valedictorian.
That doesn’t mean I like what he’s about.
That’s Kool & the Gang, but I have some bad news for you, that’s been your team since Tricky Dick’s reign. And it ain’t getting any better.
BTW, I am not a fan of this either, but don’t expect Buchanan to speak out against it:
“University of Illinois admissions: Elite high schools from Chicago metro area fatten clout list”
“The majority of students who benefited from political connections when applying to the University of Illinois attended elite, affluent high schools, according to a Chicago Tribune analysis of admissions data.”
From today’s Chicago Tribune
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-clout-schools-17-jul17,0,2620479.story
Well I’ve been voting for the least bad candidate my whole life. I’m used to despair in the political arena, which sums up why I’m libertarian… they all suck.
FDL has a video of the entire segment here:
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/6410
and it appears for something so egregious for Buchanan to say, Maddow doesn’t appear in the least bit shocked or dismayed by the comment, oddly enough.
All of MSNBC is screwed up. Buchanan does say things for the shock effect and he’s under contract with MSNBC to go on these shows. But Maddow knows everything about Buchanan and she knows how to bait him and I doubt if she was surprised by the response, and judging by the somewhat heated response toward the end of the interview, it’s puzzling why she didn’t go off on him on that comment.
It’s all about ratings for MSNBC and Buchanan and Maddow are just playing their assigned roles. Buchanan isn’t speaking for the Republican party, or conservatives or even the Old White Boss Hoggs Coalition, he’s just speaking for himself, and even at that, just to spark debate on a dying cable news network. Likely he wants the liberal blogs to post this about him. And so does Maddow, since afterall, it was the FDL’s, C&Ls, KOS’s, HuffPo’s and DU’s who got her into that slot. She just provides them the red meat content that keeps the wheels churnin’.
I live in Florida 2 blocks away from the water. I own (zero payments) 2 cars, a motorcycle, pricey electric guitars and even 2 surfboards. Even though my 401K took a beating I still am looking at retiring early. And I’m only in my 30’s.
But man, I sure do wish I grew up a poor minority woman because the heavy boot of diversity has really held me back.
Buzz: “Come on, aren’t liberals supposed to embrace everyone?”
No, you fucking idiot.
[...] the Builder may build it, but Pat the Destroyer will tear it down. [...]
Dennis the Bigot: “But Maddow knows everything about Buchanan and she knows how to bait him…”
Yet again, Dennis the Bigot chooses to defend racism and racist people.
‘Buchanan isn’t a racist! He was baited into saying racist things by the evil liberals.’
All you need to do now is call me Southern Strategy and blame ‘White Guilt.’ Then your racist outburst will be complete.
“Buchanan isn’t speaking for the Republican party, or conservatives or even the Old White Boss Hoggs Coalition…”
Really? Because he’s saying what a lot of Conservative / GOP / Boss Hoggs are saying.
He might not be an ‘official’ spokesman, but he’s close.
Did Big Pat not get Lee Atwater’s famous memo:
Britney can pretend things are different, but this is who they are.
You take a beating from me and you just dust yourself off, wipe the blood from your mouth and just keep forging on for more, don’t you White Guilt Southern Strategy? I think I admire that about you, in weird sort of way I can’t explain.
My entire post is to say everybody has a role here, and apparently, even you play your part as assigned. Go to FDL, or C&L, or Media Matters, or the link OW provided above, and every blog covering this has a CS Southern Strategy comment, an Indeed comment, a Duros comment, a ‘jr’ comment….all the comments you would expect from what Buchanan said. You pretend to be upset about it, but really, how could you be upset unless you live in a constant state of being upset, because you make the exact same comments every day here about something racist some white conservative said.
Everyone displays their usual indignation comment, but oddly, Rachel Maddow chose not to. You can say I defended Buchanan, as you typically will in this kind of a ‘defense’, but I didn’t. I’m just saying he did what he was supposed to do as MSNBC would’ve wanted him to do. So did Rachel. So are the liberal blogs that MSNBC has to supply because they are their base and there’s no denying that MSNBC and liberal blogs are tied at the hips. And now you, White Guilt Strowbridge, are doing what you are supposed to do.
“In America, black people don’t suffer from a lack of accomplishment. They suffer from a lack of recognition of their accomplishments.”
Albert Murray – The Omni-Americans
>>Ex-Irish? How do they do that?
yeah, sorry, I meant that like economists: less/not including something.
How white were the Irish when NINA–no Irish need apply–existed.
Well I’ve been voting for the least bad candidate my whole life. I’m used to despair in the political arena, which sums up why I’m libertarian… they all suck.
Yeah, Buzz, I know. They all suck. So do you, by the way, and so do I. We’re human! We suck!
That doesn’t mean that some don’t suck worse than others.
for something so egregious for Buchanan to say, Maddow doesn’t appear in the least bit shocked or dismayed by the comment, oddly enough.
She’s been hanging around him for a while. She knows what to expect for the racist toolbox. So do we.
They all suck. So do you, by the way, and so do I. We’re human! We suck!
Indeed.
Not you, Indeed.
National Treasure Stephen Colbert:
That’s my point, Duros. He’s being what you expect him to be. She’s not the least bit surprised, but somehow, you guys act as if you are, when this really isn’t anything at all out of the ordinary or anything different than Buchanan says just about every day.
It’s all a game.
Maddow doesn’t appear in the least bit shocked or dismayed by the comment, oddly enough.
On the other hand, it does speak for itself, for anyone paying the least bit of attention.
I would love to see any one of you liberals on an old Cross Fire episode, sitting in for Braden. Buchanan would have handed you your ass on the way out, in about three minutes.
You people all graduated from that “Multicultural” Nation of Immigrants school of history: It wasn’t the cooperation of seagoing entrepreneurs, southern shippers and New England milliners that created an international industrial power. Oh,no, it was cotton pickers imported by force from Africa.
It wasn’t land owners, visionary entrepreneurs, politicians and engineers that made an intercontinental railroad. Oh, no, it was dynamite handlers from China.
Of course, Buchanan did say “80% white, and 20% Afro-American, who were discriminated against”. Let’s pretend we didn’t hear that, shall we?
The first man to spot the New World was a black man!
The first man to die in the American Revolution was a black man!
Lets drink to the hard working people
Lets drink to the salt of the earth
Lets drink to the two thousand million
Lets think of the humble of birth
Right wing coward “Dennis” sums up how far too many right winger’s view racism: “this really isn’t anything at all out of the ordinary”.
I really hope Hispanic voters understand that that reflects the Republican Leadership’s view of Republican racism “this really isn’t anything at all out of the ordinary”.
I think he’s correct; I see the white guy he means in the Chinese railway workers’ photo. He’s on the far right.
She’s not the least bit surprised, but somehow, you guys act as if you are, when this really isn’t anything at all out of the ordinary or anything different than Buchanan says just about every day.
I think perhaps you confuse our bewilderment as to why he still has a job in the mainstream media with surprise.
I think Burn is right. Pat is pissed that his kind is dying off.
I see the white guy he means in the Chinese railway workers’ photo. He’s on the far right.
HA! I see what you did there!
Buchannan is a moron.
Right winger “Frank DiSalle” explains how the right sees the left: “You people all graduated from that “Multicultural” Nation of Immigrants school of history”.
From there right winger “Frank DiSalle” goes on to explain his idealization of how slavers, corporate predators, and good old fashioned racism is what the right wing see as having made this country.
The slaves that picked the cotton under the whip, the Chinese that helped build the railroads, and “You people”, aren’t counted in his version of American history.
In white right winger’s fantasy history, racism is against them 80% of the time.
“You people all graduated from that “Multicultural” Nation of Immigrants school of history: It wasn’t the cooperation of seagoing entrepreneurs, southern shippers and New England milliners that created an international industrial power. Oh,no, it was cotton pickers imported by force from Africa.
It wasn’t land owners, visionary entrepreneurs, politicians and engineers that made an intercontinental railroad. Oh, no, it was dynamite handlers from China.”
It’s easy to make a huge profit on cotton – when your labor cost is zero.
The Chinese did considerably more than handle dynamite, although it was a white guy that coined the phrase, “Not a Chinaman’s chance.” Meaning, when there was a particularly hazardous job to be done, it was the Chinese guy that had to do it.
Read The Guilded Age by Mark Twain – America’s pre-eminent satirist of the time does a masterful job of lampooning the camtains of industry and their political backers. Selling acres of land to the railroad companies, without having to show title, was a common practice. Having railroad companies buy the same piece of land from the same scam artist was the stuff of legend. And guess what, there was a railroad bubble.
Right winger “Gabriel McKee”: “Buchannan is a moron.”
Buchannan is a Republican and he perfectly represents the Republican Party.
No one here has said anything along those lines, Duros. Other posters at the other blogs running with this non-story for their daily dose of red meat have, but no one here has. The reason he has a job there is for the reasons I just stated, for exactly these kinds of things.
Same reason Lawrence O’Donnel us under contract there, someone who is far less the intellectual, and someone far more unstable, but someone who is controversial and can be relied on to make controversial statements that generate conversation.
The game. MSNBC is dying. This is about their only option.
Liberal blogs need MSNBC alive. This is how they do it.
…this non-story…
A key representative of the Republican base, who once was a key Nixon adviser, is a loudmouth racist shithead. You’re right, that’s a non-story.
Can you cite this, News Reference?
Just so we can be sure what you are saying is the truth, not that anyone would ever doubt you.
“Buchannan is a Republican and he perfectly represents the Republican Party.”
That’s absurd. He’s sure as hell not anything like the Republicans I know.
“Buchannan is a Republican and he perfectly represents the Republican Party.”
Citation: News Reference and any factual observation of political reality.
Cited.
Oh Dennis, if this is just a game to Pat, it’s a game he’s been playing for all his life in the public eye, long before MSNBC even existed.
Our wingnut friends seem obsessed by the ratings of cable news, and are constantly crowing about who Fox beats and by how much. They think there’s some cosmic significance to that, but the reasons are pretty simple. The audience that watches a lot of cable news of any sort is a pretty small in the scheme of things, so naturally a rabid core of red-meat chasers like Fox has is going to have a pretty strong effect on the relative ratings of the various channels on offer.
A big part of that rabid core respond like the racist dogs they are to the sort of red meat Buchanan hangs out there, so if I’m head of MSNBC then, yeah, I want some of that steak tartare on my channel too.
So sure it’s all a game, but that doesn’t mean that Pat doesn’t mean it. He’s sort of like Haystacks Calhoun, who used to take his wrestling moves very seriously, even though for most of his career he was a circus freak show.
It also doesn’t mean that there isn’t a carnivorous, sanguisucculent and omophagous base out there that thinks Pat is just tellin’ it like it is, and to the extent that base affiliates with a party, it’s the R party.
This will be a huge part of R identity until the leaders and the rank and file of that party stand up and say, no, we’re not having any more of that shit! They never do, of course, they just equivocate and deflect and say aww, look at Robert Byrd fifty years ago.
I really hope sometime that they do, because we actually need an opposition party that isn’t a complete joke. Come on, Repubs, you can do it! It’ll be a hit at first because, lets face it, we’re talking about half of what’s left of your membership here, but think of how many more people you’ll be able to attract in the long run!
Right winger “Gabriel McKee”:
“I’m not attached to anything or anyone.”
And this sums up the right wing’s mindset: Detachment.
It’s an almost perfect definition of a sociopath, someone who’s “not attached to anything or anyone.”
And this is the right wing mindset that the rest of US are facing.
Dennis the Bigot: “You take a beating from me and you just dust yourself off, wipe the blood from your mouth and just keep forging on for more, don’t you White Guilt Southern Strategy? I think I admire that about you, in weird sort of way I can’t explain.”
Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Wow. That’s a fuck load of projection, Dennis.
You get your racist ass handed to you on this debate over and over and over again, yet you keep coming back and showing the world that you are a racist son-of-a-bitch.
“My entire post is to say everybody has a role here…”
And your role is to defend racism, because you are racist. You show that every time you post here.
News Reference: You need to get out more.
Thankfully, I know and am friends with some sane Democrats. The difference between you and I is that I would never try and say the entire Democratic Party is like….Keith Olbermann, or some other crazy cable news person.
“… I would never try and say the entire Democratic Party is like….Keith Olbermann, or some other crazy cable news person.”
That’s very liberal of you “Gabriel McKee”.
Baby steps, baby steps….
(for the record, I’m an independent with a conservative streak so have less patience with right wing nonsense than do many liberals with their liberal patience.)
Right wing coward “Dennis’s’ language is becoming increasingly violent and unhinged: ““You take a beating from me and you just dust yourself off, wipe the blood from your mouth”
And your role is to be the white guilt liberal who deep down is still a racist and by far the most blatant bigot of all the bigots who post here. You display that every time you post here.
The difference between you and I is that I have real examples and direct quotes of yours that I can recall when asked for proof of your bigotry. You only have supposed ‘dog-whistles’ and ‘you must be a racist because you don’t back me when I wildly call someone else a racist’ comparisons that you give.
The difference between you and I is that I would never try and say the entire Democratic Party is like….Keith Olbermann, or some other crazy cable news person.
Most poor people are, however, lazy and irresponsible.
Do you have any other sources that he is a Republican, News Reference, besides your stating that he is? Because I don’t see anything else that is credible that he is. Not that you’re not credible.
Buchanan is a smart guy, Wilbur, and he can hang with the best of them. A lot of posters on liberal blogs think Rachel Maddow is about as bright as they come, and she is, but Pat can run circles around her when it comes to debate, even when he says something as un-PC as that. It’s a big deal that she didn’t knock him down on that, but instead chose to keep running with her notes. And FYI, R’s don’t think Pat Buchanan represent them,a nd they don’t watch MSNBC either, other than the same freak show effect you guys claim you watch everything Sarah Palin says and does.
You’re spot on on most of your analyis, but like every other lib here, you get it wrong when you try to say someone like Buchanan speaks for conservatives or Republicans. He almost cost GWB the election in 2000, for Christ sakes, and we almost got Uncle Albert in the White House. And we’d have had him to thank for it.
–fafaroo
That’s not true, fafaroo.
It’s a big deal that she didn’t knock him down on that, but instead chose to keep running with her notes
That’s because Maddow is non-confrontational, which is my biggest issue with her.
you get it wrong when you try to say someone like Buchanan speaks for conservatives or Republicans
Except that on this issue particularly, he perfectly represents the base’s opinion that poor white men are being downtrodden by thuggish minorities.
Just because we all know Buchanan is a racist prick doesn’t mean there’s some secret plan when we note that Pat Buchanan is a racist prick given a platform by MSNBC.
I’m not sure if I agree with the criticism of her non-confrontational approach, Oliver. I think she got in a couple of points, saying that he was playing with fire and that his views sounded dated.
I really don’t know how to deal with the crazy racist guy. My best guess is to fire him publicly and with lots of explanation from the higher ups saying that his outdated racist approach to the world just doesn’t reflect reality.
Dennis, the only big deal here is that one of the country’s most prominent conservatives got on the teevee and showed how basic racism is to his whole mindset. Regardless of his party affilliation that reflects on the party that is the most prominent self-identified conservative party in the land. If anyone was inclined to think it’s Pat and nothing but Pat, surely the spectacle of the party elders grandstanding for the downtrodden white man, even calling the downtrodden white man in to testify about how the mean Latina judge, appointed by the mean swarthy president, trod him down, was enough to make the connection plain. This is a big image problem for the R’s, and until they retire the old racists and read the riot act to the young ones they will continue to lose the minority vote big time as well as a hefty portion of the less hysterical white vote. Nobody but you cares whether Maddow took Pat down or let him hang himself out to dry.
Oh, and your embracing of the notion that the only reason for Caucasians to support Obama, or affirmative action, or Sotomayor is “white guilt” is, in itself, quite racist, my friend.
You see though, Wilbur, I’ve never said that the only reason for Caucasions to support Obama, or affirmative action, or Sotomayor, is “white guilt”. I don’t believe I’ve ever said anyone here other than CS Strowbridge and Jaim, were white guilt liberals. Those two nutcases are obsessed with racism and using instances that Oliver provides to them daily, to paint all conservatives as racists, and if you don’t agree with them, then whoever doesn’t, they both take great pleasure in calling that person a racist. I disagree with their logic. I disagree with their entire philosophy and I think their obsession with racism is strangely bizarre for two people who don’t do a damn thing to combat racism besides calling other people racists.
I don’t understand you one bit, or that accusation, Wilbur. I know too many people like them, who think they’ve been given a 100% ok rating for racial diversity and racial causes simply because they voted for Obama, even though he was never their first choice until it looked like he was going to beat Hillary, and because they jump on this bandwagon that seems to be so popular now for liberal blogs of identifying all instances of racism, and then calling all conservatives racist for belonging to the same party. The idea is not to combat racism; the idea is to paint all conservatives as racist, or at least the Republican party as racist. It’s cheap, tawdry and dishonest.
Sorry if you think that’s racist, but whether you agree with it or not, the two fellows I accuse of being white guilt liberals are the types of fellows who lust for these types of posts. They don’t disgust them, they look forward to them. They look forward to them so they can say, ‘ha ha , what do you say for yourselves now, cons?
What else motivates that sort of behavior in white guys besides white guilt, Wilbur? You tell me.
And everybody says that on every comment thread of every liberal blog that posts the same blog posts about the same instances of racism every single day. If that was the message they were really trying to get across, because they wanted to better the Republican party, that’s not how one goes about it. It’s dishonest to claim you’re simply trying to tell the Republican party to get rid of those people.
Like I said, go look at the other blogs who are saying the same thing about this clip. I’m pointing out that this segment is a manufactured one by MSNBC, and Rachel Maddow is part of the production. I don’t think anyone so far here has denied that or can deny it. If you want me to be a good guy and simply repeat what everyone else on every liberal blog has said, sorry, but that just bores the shit out of me. I always look for a different anlge that no one has brought up, and in this instance, I thought it was truthful and important enough to bring up.
If Buchanan was so representative of the Republican mindset, why isn’t he over at Fox? Why is the so-called representative face of the Republican party ‘mindset’ as Oliver calls it, camped over at MSNBC? He’s on contract there to play his role, which he does. And then you guys act surprised when he plays his role like he’s supposed to.
Sorry, Wilbur, I think you’re a good debater and a decent guy and one of the straight shooters here, but you’re wrong in this instance.
Damn, Dennis is such a racist.
Lol @ Pat Buchanan being called one of the most prominent conservatives…..No. Just no.
I’m not sure that’s the idea he conveyed, and I watched it a couple times. I think Maddow didn’t confront him precisely because he didn’t say that in those words. I don’t recall him saying anything along the lines of ‘poor white men’ nor ‘thuggish minorities’. If I’m wrong on that, and I admit I’m too tired to go over it a third time, I’ll apologize, but I didn’t get that from him. And when Pat brought up Estrada and how he was treated, she didn’t want to hear it- that doesn’t follow with the accusation you are making that he’s only concerned about poor white guys and that minorities were trying to put them down.
Didn’t say it was a secret plan, I said it was produced, and everyone has their bit roles. Including you guys. Not necessarily you, but the guys at MSNBC, Maddow, Olby, Schuster and Big Ed, are all tied at the hips with liberal blogs. There is nothing secret about that, other than it’s not advertised. Buchanan is given the platform partly for you guys, though. Like Olberman said on Daily Kos a couple weeks ago, they have to get the ratings to keep the shows alive. If they don’t, they get replaced by the likes of Rick Santelli, and then ‘they’ win. He said that, and that’s how MSNBC has to play the game. Buchanan isn’t there to appeal to conservatives; he’s there to say the things hosts like Maddow can easily pull out of him that gets hits on liberal blogs.
No, Luv, I’m not. You just can’t cope with the fact there are a whole world of people who abhor racism, but also don’t agree with what you think. And I don’t know you, but on a blog comment, it’s chickenshit as hell to make that charge and not back it up. Wilbur at least stated why he thought it was, you, like the two idiots I mentioned abobe, just make the charge and don’t have the decency or the audacity to say exactly why.
Poll: Obama approval rating dips under 60 percent
WASHINGTON (CNN) — An average of five national polls conducted in July indicates that President Barack Obama’s approval rating has slipped under 60 percent.
Fifty-seven percent of Americans surveyed approve of the job Obama’s doing as president, according to a CNN Poll of Polls compiled and released Friday, with 36 percent disapproving. In early June, Obama’s average approval rating was 62 percent. It dropped a point to 61 percent by mid-June and stayed at that level through the rest of the month.
Obviously, Luv, despite the sincere efforts of liberal blogs to try to help the Republican party by offering examples of the racism purveying their party, for some reason more people are becoming racists and disapproving of the job our President is doing. More independents even are becoming racists.
‘If all of you think white people are SO bad, wouldn’t it be better if we just segregated? (Eventually I think that is what will happen).’
‘All of us’ don’t think White people are so bad per se; It’s crazy ass White people that are the problem; like you, apparently.
‘But back to Buchanan’s point. Did Egyptians create Egyptian civilization (I know many blacks like to claim Egypt was ruled by blacks, but let’s save such foolishness for another day) or did the Hittite and Jewish slaves?’
Nubian Pharoahs did indeed rule Egypt, and Egyptians created Egypt, but I don’t suppose actual history would help you defend cretinous fuckwads like Buchannan.
‘Pat Bewcannon is just upset knowing that his kind, the bitter angry white male, is dying out once and for all and the younger generations dont give a shit about who is black or who is gay anymore.’
If only that were true Burn; multiple comments on this thread prove otherwise, sadly.
‘Most poor people are, however, lazy and irresponsible.’
Unlike, say Bernie Madoff?
‘What else motivates that sort of behavior in white guys besides white guilt, Wilbur? You tell me.’
Common, egalitarian decency, which is apparently anathema to you and Buchannan.
That’s not true, fafaroo.
Tell it to Gabriel, he who does not paint with a broad brush, unless it’s people who don’t make as much money as him, the lazy bastards.
GOP bigots like Dennis can’t help themselves. It’s sinking in that we have a black president, and their freakin’ heads are exploding.
It’s beautiful.
And everybody says that on every comment thread of every liberal blog that posts the same blog posts about the same instances of racism every single day.
Um, Dennis, it’s a different instance of racism (almost) every single day.
If that was the message they were really trying to get across, because they wanted to better the Republican party, that’s not how one goes about it.
How does one go about it? Cause you see, here’s where I’m coming from, really. Okay, I admit, it’s kind of fun to whack the other side when and where one can, but there have actually been times in recent years where I wish that I could have voted for the Republican candidate in my area, when s/he was running against a particularly slimy and/or stupid democrat. But I know that voting for even a Republican that I like means a better chance of having bone-racist Jeff Sessions at the chair of the judiciary committee or über-moron John Boner as Speaker of the House. Ain’t gonna do it.
But enough about me, let’s talk about you: those Obama poll numbers you repeatedly and gleefully cite show, unsurprisingly, that some of the exhilaration of Jan 20 has worn off in the face of the onslaught of depressing economic news. Obama’s polls have gone from stratospheric to merely excellent. Poor guy. What the polls don’t show, however, is a corresponding increase in the number of self-identified republicans. People still hate the republican party, Dennis. They hate the party for fucking up the Iraq war, for dumping the economy in the toilet and for many other reasons, but one big reason is the perception that the party is the natural home of racism. This particularly hurts them with minorities but also with a lot of whites. Having senior republican senators on teevee repeatedly and pointlessly browbeating a woman, with the words “Wise Latina” dripping contemptuously from their lips every few minutes, doesn’t help combat that perception. Nor does having prominent conservatives like Buchanan or Savage spew white-male-victimization garbage help unless, unless, Dennis, you see such outbursts not as occasions for defensiveness and diversion, but as oppourtunities to stand with us and say no! that is not what conservatism is, that is not what the Republican party is.
So get off your ass, Dennis, quit whining, quit throwing everything back on us, quit trying to make us feel as bad about our party as you do about yours and get out there and make a better Republican party. A better America will follow! You can do it, Dennis!
Gotta be either willful ignorance or just plain intellectual dishonesty on Pat’s part to downplay Sotomayor graduating summa cum laude from Princeton in the 70s.
And at the same time claiming that children’s works have no artistic value.
No, she did not. Sorry, one does not go from being told to read children books over the summer to valedictorian.
And here we are. So ignoring my earlier point, you’re saying that Princeton altered her grades just to make a Latino woman valedictorian? Got any evidence of this?
Come on, aren’t liberals supposed to embrace everyone?
No, not douchebags like Pat. But hey, if it’s any consolidation, he’ll be dead soon.
Me: “And your role is to defend racism, because you are racist. You show that every time you post here.”
Dennis the Bigot: “And your role is to be the white guilt liberal who deep down is still a racist and by far the most blatant bigot of all the bigots who post here. You display that every time you post here.”
Jesus-fucking-Christ. Can you do anything more than parrot other people? Can you come up with an original thought? Can you please at least try?
By the way, I can prove there’s real racism out there? Or do you think that some guy using the phrase, ‘Mad coons’ only sounds racist to me because of ‘White Guilt?’
Is that really what you are trying to say?
‘If you are in a Southern State, don’t let the sun set on your black ass.’
This is what the guy said, and you defended him. You claimed I was seeing racism only because of White Guilt.
YOU ARE A FUCKING RACIST ASSHOLE, AND EVERYONE HERE CAN SEE THAT.
It’s not just Jaim and I, as you claim, but Wilbur, Luv, etc.
Dennis the Bigot: “Poll: Obama approval rating dips under 60 percent”
Hypocrisy, thy name is Dennis.
Obama has twice the approval rating as George W. Bush had when he left office, and you are trying to pretend Obama is unpopular?
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GOP bigots like Dennis can’t help themselves. It’s sinking in that we have a black president, and their freakin’ heads are exploding.
It’s beautiful.
–Jaim
Funny, it didn’t make my head explode when I voted for him in our state primary, Jaim. Nor did it when my wife and daughter did too. Nor when my daughter did in the actual national election. I’m more responsible for Obama votes than you are, and I do more to combat racism in America than you do, too. Not sure how you think your obsession with acting angry at other racists and making up charges of racism based on imagined ‘dog-whistles’ and ‘code’ that mean nothing, does’t make your head the one more likely to explode.
When he left office. Do you even know what you’re talking about? Another apple example to my orange example. Obama isn’t in the eight year of his presidency, now is he? Bush didn’t start falling off a cliff aftger his first six months like Obama is.
Th point I made, which you sidestepped, was that why if liberal blogs claim they are doing a community service to try to wipe out racism by calling people racists, like they are doing now with increasing frequency, are more people disapproving of Obama than they were before, something nearly everyone here has reasoned to it surely being racism to do (not approving of the job he is doing must have to do with the color of his skin, the thinking goes).
You work so hard at trying to force words in my mouth. You do that tactic often. Try to take something I did say and word into something I not only didn’t say, but did not imply. IT’s tiresome answering your cross-examinations, which are nothing but weak attempts by you lead me into a thought that you’ve already stereotyped me for.
I know there’s real racsim out there, I never denied that. I never said the ‘coon’ comment wasn’t racist, it is. I’m just saying you take great pleasure in every thread about racism, and you have no interest in anyone who doesn’t agree with your take on it, nor can you honestly debate any subject on racism without your typical ‘my way or the highway’ mentality that is ingrained in you. You really bring nothing to the discussion save for insults.
And you’ve admitted you’ve done nothing to combat racism other than what you do here, since you say that is all one can do. You’ve admitted you’ve never even gone to the south to talk to people about racism to get a better understanding of how people in the south deal with racism. The clips Oliver provides is quite sufficient for you.
That is a lie, Strowbridge. Gonna ask you to prove I defended that statement. Unless you just employed cute wording to imply that I defended him, when in reality all I likely did was disagree with your typical hysterical exploitation of every thread here having to do with racism, which Oliver dutifully provides on a now daily basis as Obama’s poll numbers keep sliding.
Sorry, Wilbur, recent polling doesn’t back your contentions:
Generic Congressional Ballot
Republicans Remain Ahead on Generic Ballot for Third Straight Week
Republican candidates continue to lead on the latest edition of the Generic Congressional Ballot as Democrats fall to their lowest level of support among voters in recent years.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 40% would vote for their district’s Republican congressional candidate while 37% would choose the Democratic candidate. …
Oh, I do, Wilbur, but thanks for your sincere advice. It’d be just a bit more believable if there was the occasional nice word thrown were out here about even one conservative form just one well-meaning liberal who just wants to see both parties stronger, but as it is, it’s not.
Come on, aren’t liberals supposed to embrace everyone?
You see, Wilbur, this is what is more emblematic of the liberal mindset here at this blog. The challenge for so many posters is who can be the most vulgar- how to top the last vulgar post. For the liberal political junkie who loves to bash conservatives and feels he has the perfect opportunity to do it with these daily racist blog posts, this site is like porn to them.
“Nubian Pharoahs did indeed rule Egypt, ”
And a Visgothic barbarian crowned himself Empereror of Rome, that doesn’t mean either could create or maintain the civilizations they overran, kind of like, oh Detroit, South Africa, what was once prosperous Rhodesia, Newark, ….see a pattern here?
Wow Oliver, your original post is ‘Like Kryptonite To Stupid’ (sic)? Simply by posting some pictures of immigrant and slave labor you’ve ‘proved’ that America wasn’t ‘built’ by whites?
Gee, I guess I could post pictures of cattle and oxen who plowed the fields and ‘prove’ that America became the breadbasket of the world because of Oxen, not white farmers (oh and how is the crop yield in “Zimbabwe” these days since Mugabe kicked them out?)
Social liberals…mindful of compassion and empathy.
–No, not douchebags like Pat. But hey, if it’s any consolidation, he’ll be dead soon. –Zython
-YOU ARE A FUCKING RACIST ASSHOLE, AND EVERYONE HERE CAN SEE THAT.–CS Strowbridge
– It’s sinking in that we have a black president, and their freakin’ heads are exploding. It’s beautiful. –Jaim Galt
–Most poor people are, however, lazy and irresponsible.–fafaroo
–“we need to reach out to stormfront posters”-MSNBC–’jr’
Hey ‘Me,’ I’d sure hate for you to continue to be misinformed on this point. The Rhodesians stole that land at the point of a gun. Maybe folks like you would have liked the Zimbabweans to just let that go. But you can’t really ask them to placidly accept something that you yourself never would.
Simply by posting some pictures of immigrant and slave labor you’ve ‘proved’ that America wasn’t ‘built’ by whites?
Are you also claiming that America was built by white people?
Oh get over yourself, Dennis. Whenever a right winger lets his inner bigot out you’re always on here equivocating, defending, distracting (like your latest brilliant revelation: Buchanan’s outburst doesn’t mean anything because it’s all staged! Look! Maddow didn’t take out a steel dildo and whack him with it! We’re all pawns in a media circus!). That’s your first impulse. If you’re really interested in showing us that we’re wrong if we think that racism is not at the core of your political philosophy, here’s your chance: tell our friend “me” here what you think about what s/h/it said.
I wouldn’t say that racism is at the core of plutocratic philosophy. It’s maintaining the status quo. Racism (in whatever form is allowed by the mob), has always been a convenient tool for the power and control freak. Their lifestyle depends on enslaving (in whatever form is allowed by the mob), as many as they can.
That’s absurd. He’s sure as hell not anything like the Republicans I know.
Oh? More lucid? Or less?
Social liberals…mindful of compassion and empathy.
Dennis, let me give you a quote for your list that has some validity: You’re a moron.
Ok, I will admit, wishing for his death, even indirectly, was wrong of me. And for that, I apologize.
Wow, I didn’t think it was possible for OW to attract a more blatantly racist poster than our old friend the Amused Observer, and then along comes “me.”
[...] are always failing the exam, it’s just proof that white people are more clever. After all, white people built this country. This was written by jeremy. Posted on Saturday, July 18, 2009, at 6:10 pm. Filed under Politics. [...]
So the violent right wing extremist “Dennis” whines that he’s being picked on?
“Dennis” who tries to pick fights and is using increasingly threatening and insane language?
LOL.
Don’t you still owe that blogger you were threatening a plane ticket, “Dennis”?
Me: “‘If you are in a Southern State, don’t let the sun set on your black ass.’
This is what the guy said, and you defended him. You claimed I was seeing racism only because of White Guilt.”
Dennis the Bigot: “That is a lie, Strowbridge. Gonna ask you to prove I defended that statement.”
You claimed I only thought it was racist due to White Guilt. Therefore, you defended his statement.
QED.
Dennis the Bigot: “Social liberals…mindful of compassion and empathy.”
There you go. More evidence that Dennis the Bigot thinks racism is A-Okay, but hating racist people is bad.
By the way, Fafaroo’s quote was obviously sarcastic. He was paraphrasing a right-winger, so kudos for insulting your own side there.
Strowbridge, calling Michelle Malkin an ‘anchor-baby’ like you did, is racist and bigoted. Calling people ‘fucking retards’ is not only highly insensitive to special needs people, but also highly bigoted. Hoping conservative posters who you ‘hate’ die soon, is nowhere on any list of characterstics of what it meants to be a social liberal.
Racism isn’t A-okay. Nowhere in this thread nor anywhere on this blog have I said racism is A-Okay, nor even implied that.
If you are so sure that is true, which you don’t, you would kindly provide examples of where I said or implied that. That’d be the honorable thing to do if what you say here is credible. I’d provide examples of you saying the blatantly racist and bigoted things I claimed you said, but you can’t do the same.
You can’t because you are an idiot. Idiots make things up when they can’t provide examples. I don’t have to make things up to prove you are a bigot and a racist.
QED????
Strowbridge, you are a sick fuck. Nothing about this logic does anything to lead to nor proves a point, certainly nowhere along the lines of a QED.
I never said one thing about what “ME” said. Making a generic statement about your white guilt does not in any way shape of form imply that that has anything to do with what “ME” said.
The ‘QED’ is just the same type of infantile behavior News Reference employs here to get attention. You take two statements and weave an interconnection and claim it proves your point, then you type QED.
You’re an idiot……QED.
Christ, Strowbridge, “ME” could be you being a Moby for all I know. I wouldn’t put it past someone like you or News Reference or one of the other racist liberals who post racist statements on here who never get their racism castigated by anyone on the left. Since every liberal here defended the Moby journalist from Vancouver who was a movie critic (see the similarities, Strowbridge), I wouldn’t put it past you to give it a try too.
“Moby” Strowbridge…. I like that.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 40% would vote for their district’s Republican congressional candidate while 37% would choose the Democratic candidate. …
Oh no it’s the “Rasmussen Reports says” card!
Dennis, I’m trying to play nice with you after your meltdown re: being a whiny little bitch and not fulfilling your offer to buy me a plane ticket.
Here’s the deal: stop directly quoting me and I’ll do the same. Otherwise, I will constantly remind people of how you’re the little bitch you are re: failing to come through with your “offer” to fly me back to DC so I could beat your ass.
Please try and act like an adult for once in your life.
Christ, Strowbridge, “ME” could be you being a Moby for all I know.
Indeed, he could be. And George Bush, Jr. could be a secret quantum physics savant for all we know.
Show of hands, who thinks “ME” votes Republican? {raises hand}
OK, then.
Dennis the Bigot: “QED????
Strowbridge, you are a sick fuck. Nothing about this logic does anything to lead to nor proves a point, certainly nowhere along the lines of a QED.”
Then you can show where the logic breaks down, instead of just saying it does.
I’ll wait…
“I never said one thing about what “ME” said.”
Never said you did, you fucking retard.
Goddamnit, you are a fucking clown.
“Making a generic statement about your white guilt…”
When I say someone is racist and you say I only think that because I suffer from White Guilt, then you are saying what they said is not racist.
That is a fact.
You have said that about me repeatedly. You, and J.G.Thayer, and Amused Observer have said similar things about me, repeatedly.
You have all defended racism when you have done so.
And again I say…
QED.
“Christ, Strowbridge, “ME” could be you being a Moby for all I know. I wouldn’t put it past someone like you or News Reference or one of the other racist liberals who post racist statements”
Wow. You are so willing to defend racism on the right, that you are willing to make up stories about racism on the left.
“Since every liberal here defended the Moby journalist from Vancouver who was a movie critic (see the similarities, Strowbridge), I wouldn’t put it past you to give it a try too.”
Here’s a hint, there was no evidence given in any link that that journalist ever posted a racism message while pretending to be a right-winger.
There was no evidence he even suggested someone should do it.
All that was in the link provided was a vague accusation. ‘Apparently’ was even given as a qualifying.
“‘Moby’ Strowbridge…. I like that.”
It’s better than Southern Strategy, I’ll give you that. But it still makes you look like a child, one that is more willing to defend racism than do anything to stop it.
Jaim: “Please try and act like an adult for once in your life.”
I think this is him trying to act like an adult.
Ok, C.S.Strowbridge has no sense of humor at all… noted for future reference. Stay classy.
Is it in their DNA? What is it about Irishman and being a bigot (too many of them on TV, Bill O’Reilly, Pat Buchanan, Lou Dobbs, Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck), on the one hand Pat Buchanan, slams Sotomayor because her Yale grades, her experience on the courts are not valid because they were handed to her because of her race or she real did not even earn it, on the other hand he adamantly supports Palin because of her accomplished background, please, what a joke, he is an Irish bigot, plain and simple, like most of his thoughts.