Frank Rich nails it.
Most important, she stands for a genuine movement: a dwindling white nonurban America that is aflame with grievances and awash in self-pity as the country hurtles into the 21st century and leaves it behind. Palin gives this movement a major party brand and political plausibility that its open-throated media auxiliary, exemplified by Glenn Beck, cannot. She loves the spotlight, can raise millions of dollars and has no discernible reason to go fishing now except for self-promotional photo ops.
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Even now, the so-called mainstream media can grade Palin on a curve: at MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” last week, Palin’s self-proclaimed representation of the “real America” was accepted as a given, as if white rural America actually still was the nation’s baseline.
Speaking of “nailing it”, I’ll take the blond bimbo with the cell phone camera behind St. Sarah.
Well somebody clearly didn’t get the memo. You can’t mention Palin without being TERRIFIED of her. Also OBSESSED and DERANGED.
Also TERRIFIED.
“Jesus quit being a carpenter so I can quit being governor”-Sarah
Parthenon: OberFührer Kos should issue a memorandum ordering all ‘leftist’ blogs to keep OBSESSING and being TERRIFIED of Palin at least until after the Republican primary for the 2012 election.
btw Frank Rick has nothing on Yahoo Answers
Because she is ethically pure as snow, attractive, honest, reform minded and will make a great president in 012
Because she scares them to death. She’s considered a loose cannon. Seriously, if they didn’t view her as a threat to their way of life, they wouldn’t give her a moment of attention.
My first thought was just how many ways can Palin’s detractors say the same thing about her. But they’re not saying it in different ways. They pretty much say the exact same things about her now that they’ve always been saying.
Evidently some people never tire of saying it because the same audience never tires of hearing it. Hating Sarah Palin is good business. It’s one form of capitalism that socialists are comfortable with.
It’s funny how Oliver immediately turns racist and elitist. You may disagree with “white” rural america, but they are americans too.
Without even taking a position they are immediately the subject of your scorn, simply because of the color of their skin and where they live…..Hope and Change
I hope we can expect better from other immigrants to this country. Or are they all as racist and elitist as you are?
Peggy Noonan’s latest was sharp. Palin rails against the “elites,” but it was the elites that made her (McCain and Kristol in particular).
I really have a hard time seeing how quitting a governorship can make you electable to higher office ever again, barring an illness or family catastrophe.
So maybe she just wants the book deals and a talk show for the cash. That’s her right, certainly, but I really think she wants the presidency eventually. Not sure how she can overcome the “quitter” label, however.
usualsuspect: “You may disagree with “white” rural america, but they are americans too.”
There’s only one party that’s denigrating the other side as not being ‘real americans’. Who can forget this classic?
You may disagree with “white” rural america, but they are americans too.
Who said they aren’t? Its a small but vocal bunch of them (like Palin) who proclaim themselves to be the only true Americans.
I hope we can expect better from other immigrants to this country.
Who’s an immigrant?
Jaim taking notes from Levi Johnston.
He’s a redneck hillbilly and his mom is a white trash prescription drug dealer when that information is good for your side. When Levi decides he doesn’t want to get tied down at 19 years of age with a baby that’s his and bails on the Palin family, apparently now that makes him a credible source.
Jaim’s terribly disappointed that no big scandal has broken on Sarah Palin, so now he goes for the next most incriminating piece of garbage, even though it comes from someone who he once called a piece of garbage.
Oh you mean your parents were US citizens and you were born here?
Sorry, I thought you were from the caribbean.
@usualsuspect
Anyone but a member of the indigenous tribes who whines about “immigrants” just marks themselves out as an asshat.
Consider yourself marked.
Oh you mean your parents were US citizens and you were born here?
No, wrong again.
Not that it matters. But my parents are Jamaican citizens. I was born in America. This is not a hard concept to grasp.
But even if I was born in Jamaica, Sarah Palin & co. still push a policy of superiority and victimhood.
I think the Left will stop obsessing about Palin when the Right stops obsessing about Obama’s birth certificate. Palin is a serial liar and serial quitter, with a trail of ethics complaints lagging behind her. Incurious and one who puts her family out front as part of a side show- that’s not worthy of a “Maverick” title. You want a quitter for the WH? Go ahead. Worked for Nixon.
Thats what I meant by “immigrant”.
Hey, I am first generation US too, but I don’t walk around talking about how much I hate the fact that people of a certain color don’t think like I do.
So much for a melting pot, we on on to race baiting….doesn’t really matter if you a white or black…race baiting sucks.
Every asshole has an excuse for being an asshole. So does every bigot.
Name one poster on here obsessed with Obama’s birth certificate. I’ll name ten posters obsessed with Sarah Palin for every one you can name, johnnymags.
In fact, I don’t think you can name even one, and I can name a lot more than ten Sarah Palin-obsessed nutters.
Thats what I meant by “immigrant”.
im⋅mi⋅grant: a person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence.
This does not describe me.
but I don’t walk around talking about how much I hate the fact that people of a certain color don’t think like I do.
Nor do I, but Sarah Palin does. Which is the point, which seems to have flown way under your head.
So much for a melting pot, we on on to race baiting
This is the guy who wrote the column at the center of all this, just to prove that everything you’ve written so far is amazingly wrong:
I’m a white, originally rural Southerner, and I’m really laughing at these idiot jackasses who freak out because the country’s modernizing beyond the extent they can handle their loss of dominance, and one of their crazy reactions is to support this incompetent, corrupt, sneering ultra-right-wing pinhead Palin…
…Oops, I mean, um, Palin has a genuineness which scares us elite liberal types and if she were to run in 2012 we would be very, very, very frightened and in no way would we want you to throw us into that thar brar patch.
“Nor do I, but Sarah Palin does”
Citation please…..
“as if white rural America actually still was the nation’s baseline.”
Race baiting is an act of using racially derisive language, actions or other forms of communication, to anger, intimidate or incite a person or groups of people, or to make those persons behave in ways that are inimical to their personal or group interests. This can also be accomplished by implying that there is an underlying race based motive in the actions of others towards the group baited, where none in fact exists.
So looks to me like once again you are injecting race when that was never previously discussed.
Why would an “anchor baby” like Oliver want to constantly seek racial divisions in discussions that have nothing to do with race?
So looks to me like once again you are injecting race when that was never previously discussed.
I’m not the one doing so, its Sarah Palin in the link above.
Why would an “anchor baby” like Oliver want to constantly seek racial divisions in discussions that have nothing to do with race?
To make America safe for the Jamaican Muslim terrorists of course. Where the hell do you come up with this anchor baby bullshit anyway?
Where the hell do you come up with this anchor baby bullshit anyway?
Out of his treasonous racist ass.
My first thought was just how many ways can Palin’s detractors say the same thing about her…
It’s funny how right wingers can’t seem to understand what we find so interesting about the Palin business. If you were to catch sight of a herd of lemmings going over a cliff wouldn’t you stop to watch?
I still can’t believe they think they can get away with that “real America” codeword bullshit.
They think all Americans are as dumb as they are. Mainly because they only listen to people who are as dumb as they are. They LOVE dumbness and hate intelligence.
“Where the hell do you come up with this anchor baby bullshit anyway?”
It is an assumption that your parents legal status in this country hinges on the fact that your mother bore you on United States soil. It is an easy thing to clear up. Was your mother a legal resident before you were born?
Sort of like Obama’s birth controversy, easy to clear up if one wants to.
Even right-wing columnist Ruben Navarrette finds the term “anchor baby” derogatory and racist:
And, as I travel the country speaking to Hispanic groups, one thing I hear is that “anti-immigrant” rapidly morphed into “anti-Hispanic” and specifically “anti-Mexican.” I get evidence of that every day in my e-mail. Just last week, after I defended the prosecution of two Border Patrol agents, a reader called me a “dirty Latino” who needs to get “back to Mexico.” Another writer called me an “anchor baby” – the term used by nativists to describe the children of illegal immigrants born in the United States. Never mind that I was born in the United States and my parents were born in the United States. What I see here is racism.
Pedro and a.o. showing their true colors once again.
I will say, though, that what Rich should have said was…
as if white rural [assholes] actually still [were] the nation’s baseline
I know many fine white rural folk who think Palin as ridiculous as I do.
I don’t usually answer racist wingnuts with anytihng but contempt but just to prove how you all are wrong on everything, I’ll answer.
Was your mother a legal resident before you were born?
Loooong before I was even a zygote. Happy, pappy? Of course, anyone who isn’t a native American is technically an “anchor baby” or “immigrant”.
Or do you all want to send me back to where I came from? If so, it’s not far away. Just up the street from my apartment in Takoma Park, MD. That’s in America.
Sort of like Obama’s birth controversy, easy to clear up if one wants to.
Solved long ago for all but the most ardent of wingnuts like yourselves.
“Anchor baby”? You mean, like Michelle Malkin, stalker of kitchen counters?
Oh, no no no no, Oliver! You can’t just establish citizenship with a by-your-say-so! Have the Birthers taught you nothing?!?
You need to show a copy of your Mom’s citizenship papers. And your birth ceritifcate(long form, of course). Presumably, you have to mail them to this bozo – the originals mind you, the ones locked up in a vault somewhere – becuase obviously, if you post them on the Internet, they’ve been Photoshopped.
That’s the only way you can prove that the slander he tarred you with isn’t true.
I wonder if we can prove that this bozo is not, in fact, a bastard?…
Is there a time limit on how long the Left gets to use Bush/Cheney as a strawman to distract us from the follies of yunno….the CURRENT administration?
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/bulletin/bulletin_090709.htm
Strawman in this case refers to uncovering the destructive policies hobbling the greatest nation on earth. Yeah, we’ll just ignore that.
Sarah Palin and prosecuting enhanced interrogation technniques are the perfect distractions from economic failure.
Look, over there. Breaking news! Levi Johnston says Sarah Palin quit to make money on speeches. Discuss.
Pol Pot called them “enhanced interrogation”- still clinging to that debunked euphemism? Even when Generals, and former Bush people said this was TORTURE? Pull your head out fo the sand/mud whatever it is that’s causing such cognitive dissonance and wake up. Oh, and yeah the economy is now Obama’s fault? I suppose decades of financial deregulation which turned Wall St into a financial crack house had no effect? Get off the internets and into school, fool.
I think the Whigs just found their 2012 candidate.
Only using what Obama and Christine Romer told me, fool.
And johnnymags, aren’t you going to tell us who all these people on the right are who keep obsessing about the Obama birth certificate; why that makes obsessing over Sarah Palin is the proper response
You know, if the two parties wanted to be more politically accurate, they’d call themselves the Urban Party and the Rural Party. Or I dunno, The Metrosexuals and The Inbreeders? The culture and problems of each are starkly different.
To “Metrosexuals”, Palin came across as a narcissistic talking head idiot who they wouldn’t put in charge of a disco. But to an Inbreeder, she’s just good ole wholesome folk who’d make one hell of a county fair queen and US of A President too, the good lord willing.
Have Republicans yet stopped blaming Clinton?
I seem to recall it said to be Clinton’s fault that Bush Jr. had completely blown off all screaming demands for anti-terrorism preparedness for the first 8 months in office.
Change “hell” to “heck”. I apologize to any inbreeders I may have offended.
Have Republicans yet stopped blaming Clinton?
El Cid wins that round.
And did you know that Bush Derangement Syndrome was coined by Krauthammer in a satirical piece where he was poking fun with his usual dry sarcasm? But look at how many wingnuts, including psychology professionals, who ran with that one as a completely serious condition.
Bigots rarely apologize for their insensitivity and backwardness, freD. I’m proud of you.
LOL,
Who are you calling racist wingnut Ollie?
“Of course, anyone who isn’t a native American is technically an “anchor baby” or “immigrant”.”
If you are refering to the asian people who came here over the Bering Sea land bridge as native americans your statement here is technically incorrect. I know how important it is to you to be technically accurate. You show us that daily with your choice of headlines and postings.
He also coined the phrase ‘Bush Doctrine’. Not many people who had so much fun ridiculing Sarah Palin for asking Charlie Gibson what definition he meant knew what Krauthammer’s original description of it was, either.
Did you, freD?
AO, let me help you understand something.
If you are discussing a situation in which someone purposely has a child in order to avoid deportation, there might be some reason to refer to that chils as an “anchor baby.”
To refer to any and every child with immigrant parents as “anchor babies” is insulting.
Similarly, you might say, “Certain black men sometimes refer to the mothers of their illegitimate children as their ‘baby mama.’”
But that FOX chyron during the campaign about the Obamas was racist AND insulting.
At least usualsuspect had the good sense to flee the thread after revealing himself, once again, as a racist. You seem to either not know it, or revel in it.
Bruce,
As long as you are so willing to be so helpful with bolstering my understanding perhaps you can direct me to the statement I made that would define me as racist. I defined anchor baby for Willis which evidently struck a petulant nerve. I also gently mocked him about his native american statement. Thanks for caring.
Bruce, would C.S. Strowbridge get a pass from you for calling Michelle Malkin an “anchor baby”?
Did you, freD?
Fred wasn’t running for Vice President as far as we know, amigo.
It cracks me up that Oliver starts a thread talking about politics and referring to what “white rural americans” think, when the subject of race was never broached.
And then Bruce decides I’M a racist?
It is just that liberal problem with equality again: People fighting against policy based on race are racist, and people who support them (ie affirmative action) are not.
Its a shame you don’t support Martin Luther King:
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
LOL,
The most overwhelming chink in a Liberals armour is their lockstep disregard for the 14th amendment. The classic line of Orwell’s Animal House springs to mind.
As long as you are so willing to be so helpful with bolstering my understanding perhaps you can direct me to the statement I made that would define me as racist.
The “may I see your papers please” bullshit, for one. And yes, I’m sensitive to people trying to assert their extra-Americanness when we’re all fucking immigrants. Some people’s parents came over in the 1920s, mine came here in the ’70s, somebody got here this morning – who gives a shit?
It cracks me up that Oliver starts a thread talking about politics and referring to what “white rural americans” think, when the subject of race was never broached.
Perhaps you are confusing me with Frank Rich, whose column I excerpted to start this blog entry. I understand the confusion, seeing as how a 50+ white guy who writes for the New York Times is easily confused with a 31 year old black guy who writes on some blog. Also, “Oliver Willis” looks just like “Frank Rich”.
Again Oliver,
Please direct me towards the “your papers please” bullshit. By the way the 1920’s hardly counts for being an old timer.
Some people feel they have a deeper stake in the country if their family has helped shape the nation throughout her history compared to someone who just got here. It’s quite a natural feeling and easy to understand.
Some people feel they have a deeper stake in the country if their family has helped shape the nation throughout her history compared to someone who just got here.
Well those people are idiots. Why? It assumes we have no future past now. Every immigrant adds to the American story, no matter when the hell they got here. Barack Obama’s dad came to America in the ’60s and yet his son’s impact on history is – and will be – pretty significant compared to some people who can trace their bloodlines back to the Mayflower.
It’s quite a natural feeling and easy to understand.
No, its nativist b.s. just like your initial questions.
So “Frank Rich nails it”…isn’t to be taken as a tacit agreement of his article?
I never mentioned ANYONE’S americaness, except to comment that I preferred the previous generation of immigrants heartfelt patriotism and interest in being incorporated in to this “great experiment”, as opposed to the current generations race baiting and divisiveness. I couldn’t care less about the color of The Won’s skin, but I don’t care for this increasingly acerbic language from “people of color” hinting that now they are “in charge”, and that we “dwindling white americans” had better watch our P’s and Q’s.
Oliver and his hallelujah chorus are constantly bringing race into discussions, and then throwing the word “racist” and anyone who disagrees with them.
Oliver,
Calling “those people” idiots and dismissing their thinking as nativist bullshit is hardly an objective analysis. While every immingrant may add to America’s story it is amusing that you think the newest page in the book trumps the chapters before it.
While no one will be able to disagree that Papa Barack’s progeny will have a large impact on America there is plenty of room to argue that the Republic will be much worse off having suffered 4 to 8 years of his odious socialism, class warfare and reckless debt accumulation.
Usual, to call someone an “anchor baby” is an anti-immigrant and racist slur. AO, to defend it is to defend said slur.
It’s pretty simple really.
We already know that Republican’s reckless rule has damaged America for decades.
The Republican’s reckless debt accumulation goes back almost 30 years to Republican Hollywood entertainer Ronald Reagan who more than DOUBLED the US debt.
Republican Presidents Reagan and Bush 1 more than QUADRUPLED the US debt.
Republican President Bush 2 squandered a surplus and then more than doubled the US debt again once all of Republican Bush’s debts are added up.
Republican President Bush 2 arguably even quadrupled the US debt when you add in the still unaccounted trillions Republican Bush 2 looted out of the back door of the Federal Reserve.
And right wing economic fictions directly created the current Republican Great Recession not to mention the serious damage right wing voodoo economic fantasies did to America’s economy over the last 30 years.
Calling “those people” idiots and dismissing their thinking as nativist bullshit is hardly an objective analysis.
I’m kind of blunt that way. I don’t need to make friends with wackjob loons so I call them what they are.
it is amusing that you think the newest page in the book trumps the chapters before it
I didn’t say that either. You clearly cannot read.
there is plenty of room to argue that the Republic will be much worse off having suffered 4 to 8 years of his odious socialism, class warfare and reckless debt accumulation
Oh I’m sorry I nodded off there. Because if you cared at all about class warfare, debt accumulation or govt takeover of industry you would be in the streets during the Bush administration.
But then things got really bad when we elected a black president.
Bruce,
Anti immigrant perhaps, racist I don’t think so. Your reading skills have failed you, find the quote where I defend the term anchor baby.
On this very thread at 1:13 pm today.
Man, the racist nutters are thick in this thread.
Dennis, AO, usualsuspect, don’t you guys have a Klan rally to make it to? I’d hate for you to be lae.
Governor Palin’s record of resentments was chronicled by Noam Scheiber before the election.
See:
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=8c130fe3-adab-4cb3-8443-c363f085cf13
Sarah Palin has only one member of the media to blame for her treatment: herself.
She has a degree in journalism and worked as a reporter and TV sportscaster.
See:
http://notionscapital.wordpress.com/2009/01/10/sarah-palin-mad-as-hell/
LOL,
I don’t need to make friends with whackjobs loons either so I do the same. I didn’t note much class warfare during the Bush administration. I was none too pleased about the Bush spending habits but looking at numbers Obama makes him look like a piker if he gets even half of what he wants. I didn’t notice much govt. takeover of business either until Bush opened the door with the financial bailout at the very end.
As to page and chapter, there is nothing wrong with my ability to read. I’m not quoting you, I am charactorizing your thinking. That you think so little of the feeling that people might have towards their ancestoral homeland is I suppose not surprising.
You imply that my problem with Obama is that he is black. I would have no problem with a black man as president if he was of the vein of Clarance Thomas or Thomas Sowell. Strangely enough, I could never support a white man for president that shared the Barak philosophy.
Furthermore I note with amusement that Obama is genetically as white as he is black and that neither he nor you have any actual ties the historical American negro experience. You are a child of the 70’s and your parents are Jamaican. Not a very strong link.
So Oliver and Newsy have apparently been trolling on other blogs bitching about the fact that The Won’s budget looks to quadruple the debt in the U.S….is that correct.
Send me over I would love to see it
Bigots rarely apologize for their insensitivity and backwardness, freD. I’m proud of you.
Take it easy Dennis. I was “poking fun with his usual dry sarcasm.” You didn’t need to run “with that one as a completely serious condition”.
So what did you once do for a living?
Bruce,
On this very thread at 1:13 pm today.
That is a definition not a defense. School must have very difficult for you.
The “usual ‘Republican’ suspect” can’t do math and is complaining about an uncertain future rather than honestly looking at the Republican Debtors of the last 30 years.
Republican Hollywood entertainer Reagan more than doubled the US debt.
Republican Bush 1 walked away from 12 years of Republican Presidential rule with a quadrupled US debt.
Republican Bush 2 doubled the US debt again and arguably Republican Bush quadrupled the US debt when all the trillions Republican Bush gave his crony buddies out the back door of the Federal Reserve are added up.
Republican Debtors always blame someone else for Republican Debt.
It’s Republican Math combined with Republican’s First Rule: Rules Are For Other People.
Fucking bigots. Thank god the GOP is dying. America has no place for you any longer.
You are a child of the 70’s and your parents are Jamaican. Not a very strong link.
We’re all black, all Americans, which is what matters. The “one drop” purity parade ended long ago thanks to our forefathers.
And I hope you enjoyed this grace period of racist blog commenters exposing themselves.
AO, your “definition” was offered as a defense of usual’s anti-immigrant slur. What made it a racist slur as well was that it was directed at Oliver, a black American.
Oliver, I hope you don’t ban these assholes. Maybe they’ll eventually learn something if they keep coming here.
Bruce, is CS Strowbridge an anti-immigrant racist for calling Michelle Malkin an “anchor baby” on here? I linked above to an instance where he did just that.
Is he a bigot of the worst order for taking pride in repeatedly calling anyone he disagrees with politically here a “fucking retard”?
Or should I assume by not answering that you are defending him? No one here ever steps in to tell him otherwise.
Well, now. How interesting.
Sure, absolutely. Anybody using the term is indulging in racism – although I might suggest that trying actually “prove” the charge by demanding identity papers is engaging in a level of racism a bit beyond merely hurling the slur.
So. Yes. It is racism.
So, now that we agree that it is a racist term, will you follow suit and denounce its use by your fellow travellers?
apparently now that makes him a credible source.
No, he’s still a redneck hillbilly.