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‘A typical street whore.’ ‘A bunch of ghetto thugs.’ ‘Ghetto street trash.’ ‘Wonder when she will get her first abortion.’
These are a small selection of some of the racially-charged comments posted to the conservative ‘Free Republic’ blog Thursday, aimed at U.S. President Barack Obama’s 11-year-old daughter Malia after she was photographed wearing a t-shirt with a peace sign on the front.
The thread was accompanied by a photo of Michelle Obama speaking to Malia that featured the caption, ‘To entertain her daughter, Michelle Obama loves to make monkey sounds.’
(via ImITN)
That whole thing has blown up once it was blogged about on Daily Kos. Hundreds of racially ugly posts and now their on about “free speech.”
I continue to find it astonishing how so many Americans equate “freedom of speech” with “freedom from consequences”.
You can say what you want, just prepare to reap the whirlwind.
FreeRepublic apparently thinks that their entire community can be racists and noone is allowed to call them racist or call attention to their racist community.
I enthusiastically encourage Republicans as a party to seek new ways to persuade groups of voters to despise them.
Like Sarah Palin, I think that the country is much better off without Republicans serving in office.
For FR, racism is a feature, not a bug.
That said, it’s nice to see the veil ripped from this hot bed of hatred.
From the link:
One poster by the name of “fullchroma” wrote, “To Jim Thompson: The recent uptick here in racist vitriol, aimed at Barrack, Michelle and their children has made me wonder if I belong. My objection to Obama has nothing to do with skin tone. Is the ugly stereotype of Conservative racism true?”
Yes it is. Conservatism is racist and perverse.
I seem to remember various purity purges – like the one where libertarian GWBush skeptics were banned and went on to start their own blogs.
Freerepublic also purged Giuliani supporters for insufficient purity of essence.
Comrades!
Certainly you all are confused. Those rude comments were about Sarah Palin’s 14 year old daughter. Oh, my bad. Liberal democrat-communists, living from handout to government handout would not utter such things.
Whoa dude, wait a second here….Willow Palin is black?!?!?
Heh, just before surfing over here I was looking at the following on Kos:
Freepers are mad as hell…
Seems the Freeperati have used their super kerning skills which will blow this biased reporting wiiide open… Just listen to these super tough manly men…
and their secret revelation that will turn this around on the leftist moonbats?
Oooh! This user whom I’m claiming is the Vancouver reporter with basically no evidence wrote something bad about Bush 4 years ago! Backsies!
…I am almost getting tired of the answers to the prayer “Lord make my enemies stupid”…
GluE needs to get out more. The wingnut caricature of liberals being government handout dependants / crème brulee elites is so 2003. OTOH, an inability to handle communal dichotomies amongst the “free speech” crowd did spin off lots of new blogs, with disciples of each free to speak their minds (within each blogs unwritten strictures, of course).
Places like Free Republic represent the true mindset of the GOP. They really do not like anyone non-white with a passion and they just cannot contain themselves. Look at the snap reactions the moment Sotomayor’s name was mentioned, they all went apeshit and called her a racist because they think everyone is as racist as they are. They project such anger and hatred, mostly out of bitterness and jealousy because the average Free Republic poster is some loser of a single white man with little accomplished in life. The same losers who go to Palin rallies who call for Obama’s death. The same losers who shoot up holocaust museums and churches.
And the funniest part is, the GOP just doesn’t fucking care anymore how many people they alienate. As their pond gets smaller and smaller, the crazier and more cult like they become. The dreams of Karl Rove wooing the Latino demographic over to the GOP have completely failed. They will NEVER vote GOP, except the Cubans in Miami.
GluE: “Comrades!
Certainly you all are confused. Those rude comments were about Sarah Palin’s 14 year old daughter. Oh, my bad. Liberal democrat-communists, living from handout to government handout would not utter such things.”
Translation: “LOOK OVER THERE!”
David Letterman makes jokes about an 18-year old woman, who has a kid, and the GOPers freak out. They (practically) call him a child molester.
Freepers make racially charged attacks against an 11-year old for wearing a peace sign, and the GOPers seem to think it’s fine.
David Letterman makes jokes about an 18-year old woman, who has a kid, and the GOPers freak out. They (practically) call him a child molester.
Freepers make racially charged attacks against an 11-year old for wearing a peace sign, and the GOPers seem to think it’s fine.
That’s because Freepers and most other Republicans are perverts, racists, and traitors.
“be patriotic to your race”-freepers
LOL,
Are we rewriting history so quickly? Palin’s daughter was 14 not 18 as if the latter would excuse Lettermans behavior. The behavior of the commentors at the free republic blog highlighted here inexcusable.
The prejudice shown is little different from the posting here everyday regarding Republicans in general. Both are ignorant.
No doubt.
The bigot who uses the terrible slur against special needs individuals, ‘fucking retard’, is upset at other bigots and loves use isolated incidences to paint all conservatives as being in the same boat.
It’s usually better, if you want to say something’s inexcusable, to not try to create a moral equivalency between the bad actors and their critics.
Just say the FR comments are inexcusable, period.
Certainly Mike,
The Fr comments are inexcusable, period. They are ignorant.
Say Mike,
On a completely different note have you noticed that many of the comments posted here about Republicans here are ignorant and inexcusable?
I’m sure there have probably been more than a few you took offense too. We might have different criteria for what constitutes an ignorant and inexcusable characterization. I think calling someone a retard because of their political beliefs is generally over the line, for example. I would note, vis a vis Letterman, that he at least apologized profusely and publicly for his comments. The management over at FR seems to lack the good sense to even do that. Look, so the dirty libs will seem to be one up on them if they criticize the racist members in their midst, but so what? There should be no room for racism or other bigotry in the conservative movement, just as there should be no room for anti-semitism or other bigotry in the progressive movement.
Mike,
That is an honest and straight forward answer. Personally I doubt the sincerity and good will of Letterman’s apology but that is my opinion and another subject all together.
Remember you wingnut logic 101: , it’s okay for Freepers to do it because an unnamed liberal did it. But it’s still horrible that the liberal did it.
Where do I go to denounce these bad boys?
Stay classy, Republicans.
Amused Observer: “LOL,”
Laughing simpleton.
“Are we rewriting history so quickly? Palin’s daughter was 14 not 18 as if the latter would excuse Lettermans behavior.”
Sorry. Bristol Palin is in fact 18. And yes, she has a kid. That kind of makes jokes about her getting pregnant fair game.
“The behavior of the commentors at the free republic blog highlighted here inexcusable.”
At least you are willing to see the light on that point.
Now, do you think they are isolated cases? Or do you think they are part of a pattern?
“The prejudice shown is little different from the posting here everyday regarding Republicans in general. Both are ignorant.”
Ha ha ha ha ha!
Racism is the same as making fun of a political party.
Must be tough being a martyr like that.
CS,
Again the attempt is made to rewrite history. I know you’re intellectually challenged, but the girl at the game to which Letterman referred is the 14 year old.
Nothing makes mocking either kid fair game. Your rationalizing is not surprising however.
AO: “Again the attempt is made to rewrite history. I know you’re intellectually challenged, but the girl at the game to which Letterman referred is the 14 year old.”
No. Letterman was referring to Bristol. The one who was knocked up.
You might not believe him, but it does have an consistent internal logic behind it.
“Your rationalizing is not surprising however.”
My rationalizing? How about what David Letterman himself said.
Right winger “Amused Observer” rewrites history in a post where he complains about rewriting history.
Classic right winger.
CS,
He was speaking of the girl who attended the baseball game with her mother. Dispute that all you want, it still won’t change. That he later said he meant her older sister does not change the fact that the specific girl referred to was the 14 year old, the one at the game. Try again.
David Letterman was specifically talking about an 18 year old girl.
Right wing liar “Amused Observer” is sleazy to suggest otherwise.
There’s a reason people don’t vote Republican any longer.
Uggggh. This kind of shit makes me really angry. And then sad.
And then, weirdly enough, it makes me hungry.
(hey, if I didn’t laugh about this sort of bullshit once in a while, I would probably just weep.)
Amused Observer: “He was speaking of the girl who attended the baseball game with her mother.”
Nope. You are wrong.
He was talking about Bristol, even though it was … Trig? Trig was at the game?
See, Bristol was knocked up, hence the joke.
It was a poorly made joke, but he was talking about Bristol.
If you said, ‘He made a poorly made joke that could easily be confused to mean a 14-year old girl.’ then I would agree with you.
But you can’t be reasonable or rational here, otherwise you would have to admit that Freepers are much, much worse than David Letterman.
Of course, everyone knows that a commenter on a Free Republic thread reaches a far greater audience than David Letterman on a weekday night.
Frank DiSalle: “Of course, everyone knows that a commenter on a Free Republic thread reaches a far greater audience than David Letterman on a weekday night.”
You might have a point if the two events were even comparable.
David Letterman makes a joke that can be misinterpreted as something far worse than what it was.
Dozens of commenters (not just one) on dozens of Free Republic threads (this isn’t the only example) say something horribly racist. And they are only one of several examples of racist Republicans we can mention this week alone.
It’s not that we can find one example and are using that to paint an entire political party with it. It’s that we can find a pattern that shows there is a massive racism problem in the GOP.
Hell, there were GOP members in some of these recent examples that are admitting the GOP could have a racism problem.
And we even know what the root cause it.
I’ll give you three guesses what it is.
That’s right. The Southern Strategy.
Since the mid-1960s, the GOP has used racism as a political tool to win elections. When you do this, you are bound to attract racist people to your party.
This is what is happening now, and until the GOP admits they have a problem, they won’t be able to fix it.
And until the GOP fix the problem, they won’t be able to win elections.
For those keeping score at home: Letterman joke that misfired, and for which Letterman apologized — twice = “To entertain her daughter, Michelle Obama loves to make monkey sounds”; “I never actually wnated [sic] to be a pistol before but…”; “A typical street whore”; “A bunch of ghetto thugs”; “Ghetto street trash”; “Wonder when she will get her first abortion.”
Republicans are racists? A blanket statement, possibly unfair. But that the GOP is a haven for racists? Res ipso loquitor; a feature, not a bug.
I saw a tee shirt long ago that I thought was bad, but may be needed now.
There was a pointing finger that said something like this…
You. You need some Clorox in your gene pool.
When I think of who has crawled out from under the woodwork since Obama was elected, I may have to re create that tee shirt myself!
I think David Letterman would be amused to know he’s now the official spokesman for the Left. We’ve been voiceless for so long ever since the Right toppled Ward Churchill!
‘Again the attempt is made to rewrite history. I know you’re intellectually challenged, but the girl at the game to which Letterman referred is the 14 year old.’
You continue to miss the point; most if not all comments here were highly critical of Letterman’s extremely poor taste and judgement regarding that joke, but to continue to claim it was directed at Palins’ 14 year old daughter, and yes it was she at the game, and not 18 Bristol, is not accurate. The target of Letterman’s ignorant joke was Bristol Palin, whom he incorrectly thought was present at the game.
And how exactly does a joke in bad taste about Palin’s daughter conflate with the overt racism on display at FR?
‘He was speaking of the girl who attended the baseball game with her mother.’
That’s right; whom he incorrectly believed WAS Bristol Palin, and despite your cynicism regarding his multiple apologies, he at least attempted to rectify the situation by apologizing, something I don’t believe anyone here would expect of those running FR.
David Letterman is a comedian, and made a very stupid, offensive joke. I don’t want to hear any more about Sarah Palin, whether it is from Keith Olbermann, who seems to have a thing for her, or Rachel maddow or David Letterman.
Rush Limbaugh is a comedian, too. Remember when he compared young Chelsea Clinton to the White House dog? I don’t remember if he apologized.
The Free Republic site’s comments about the Obamas are something different and hateful altogether. The comments are extremely racist, and no apology can mean a thing here, if ever one would even be forthcoming.
[...] beats in the black heart of the blog Free Republic: ‘A typical street whore.’ ‘A bunch of ghetto thugs.’ ‘Ghetto street trash.’ ‘Wonder [...]
Don’t bother trying to express your outrage on their site. They censor any comments remotely construed as liberal but they are fine with this kind of garbage. You’ll be banned.
Why do conservatives fear freedom of speech so?
David Letterman does not have a record of making remarks directed at 14 year old children. In fact he has never in the past done anything like that, so the logic would assume he made a huge mistake. The comments from the Right aren’t an accident. They are consistent and pervasive. The consistency and pervasiveness follows to the fact that the GOP attracts a far radical group of racists than any other party. Apparently the party that professes moral superiority seems to be the one lacking in the necessary qualities.
Many liberals as well as others who voted for Obama are critical of many things he’s done.
No matter what somebody on the right does, everyone else on the right defends that person.
If Letterman or anyone else who supposedly “represents” the left says something inappropriate, the left admonishes him for it.
If somebody on the right says something inappropriate, the right worships him for it.
The whole argument of painting the right with a broad brush would have some credibility if they would police themselves.
Now all kinds of Christians are whining that it’s not their fault that people are starting to turn against them.
But when their spokespeople are out there making racist comments or trying to insert their radical agenda into our laws those same Christians aren’t speaking up against them. Their silence signals their approval.
The right has a lot of really despicable people who are very loud about it.
Maybe the right should start setting the record straight if these people don’t speak for them.
Until that happens it’s pretty fair to say that freepers are lying, racist, homophobic, misogynistic, greedy war-mongering hypocrites… every last one of them except a guy I know named Mike. He’s ok.
No, Rheinhard, it’s not that he wrote something bad about Bush four years ago and that makes him biased, it’s that he’s admitting to posting racist comments on conservative sites before, troll-baiting, then reporting about it later. Pretty dishonest stuff.
Surprised Oliver hasn’t posted a follow-up to this. And by suprised, I mean I’m not really surprised.
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Hate Speech Against Malia Obama On Conservative Blogs Reported by Hate Speech Planting Journalist
—Gawker
….“It gets worse, though. Chris Parry, it appears, has advocated on his Daily Kos blog any number of egregious offenses, among them: posting hate speech on sites like Free Republic and blaming it on conservatives. Parry posted under the name “hollywoodoz” on Daily Kos, where his signature was “Fool me once, I’ll punch you in the fucking head.” Parry outed himself as hollywoodoz here, where he discloses the company he helped start. In essence: Parry, the journalist, found his story right where he’d been circling it for a very long time, and reported it as news. Sigh”….
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Why do you guys get sucked in by this sort of thing every…. single…. time….?
I guess the upside here is that all the folks above, mambo, Jaim, CS Southern Strategy, et al, that were all blowing a gasket over this can all now heave a collective sigh of relief that this wasn’t the clearcut case of racism they once thought it was and can go on being their former happy selves again.
Surprised Oliver hasn’t posted a follow-up to this. And by suprised, I mean I’m not really surprised.
What does any of it have to do with Freepers posting, and keeping up, racist posts? Nothing.
C’mon, Oliver. You linked to a story about Freepers from a reporter with a history of posting racist comments on Free Republic and then reporting on them, and you don’t think that has any bearing whatsoever on the credibility of this story?
Or that it even deserves a followup?
Let’s see… how may it be relevant, Oliver? Try this scenario:
The “reporter” has a history of saying that progressives ought to go on to conservative sites and spew hate speech to discredit the conservatives.
Then, lo and behold, he goes to a conservative site and finds hate speech.
Is it any great leap of imagination to wonder if the asshole in question might have either made the comments himself, or was involved in their being planted, or tipped off that they had been planted?
The amazing part is that he was still employed as a journalist, and covering politics, after his statements over at Kos.
Must be that horrible conservative bias in the media again…
J.
Oliver, Chris Parry has advocated attacking blacks on conservative sites and blaming Republicans, and you don’t have a problem with that as a person of color?
I would certainly hope that is not the case, but so far it sounds like it is.
Oliver, if you need any more incentive to be outraged, here’s a possibility: could “jr” be a conservative “Mobying” your site? I find it hard to believe that anyone — even a liberal — could be so consistently wrong, consistently stupid, and consistently hateful as that particular asshole is.
J.
‘jr’ the Moby bot. Hahaha.
Jay Tea, who here does this Chris Parry character remind you of?
–Vancouver, Canada area
–Movie critic
–Lives for posts on racism, but thinks he’s exempt from scrutiny for it
–Obsessed with paintbrushing all conservatives with the racist tag
–Not afraid to use racist language himself
–Hates conservatives who post on blogs with a passion
–Not above dirty tricks to discredit people he disagrees with, in fact, actually brags about it.
I can’t put my finger on it, but I know someone here fits that description.
It’s sick to see right wing extremists like “Jay Tea” and “Dennis” find every possible excuse to change the subject of right wing racist’s verbally attacking children.
“Jay Tea” and “Dennis” are trying to distract the issue of FreeRepublic.com’s descent into KKK/Stormfront type commentary.
And remember, this is the same “Dennis” that was whining for weeks about the coarse joke of a comedian on Palin’s older girls (the target of the joke was over 18 for the record).
“Newsy,” it’s still not established that it was “right wing racists.” There’s a bit of evidence indicating it might be a left-wing racist. But waiting for more facts doesn’t fit your myopic, narrow world-view, so it’s understandable that you aren’t interested in that.
And if we’re playing by that standard, “Newsy,” I’m still waiting for you to condemn reprehensible, subliterate asshole “jr” for comparing Sarah Palin to Andrea Yates.
I’m sorry — psychotic multiple murderer of her own five children Andrea Yates. Wouldn’t want you to confuse her with all those other famous Andrea Yateses out there…
J.
The whole argument of painting the right with a broad brush would have some credibility if they would police themselves.
That would require a sense of shame, something sadly lacking on the right.
The “reporter” has a history of saying that progressives ought to go on to conservative sites and spew hate speech to discredit the conservatives.
Then, lo and behold, he goes to a conservative site and finds hate speech.
Yeah, but see, he didn’t have to sockpuppet to find hate speech. It was already there. I think that is central to the point.
And please, for god’s sake, let the fucking Letterman thing go. It has been explained to you enough.
And there you have it: In order to change the subject from the myriad right wing racist attacks on children on a prominent right wing website that has a pattern and record of KKK/Stormfront type racist attacks, “Jay Tea” first blames the left and then demands that first every condemn someone else.
No.
An individual comparing an ADULT POLITICIAN to Andrea Yates psychotic murder of her five children is not comparable to the group that is attacking a child.
Right winger’s failure to understand that is part of their problem.
I listened for more than 10 straight years to right wingers compare an innocent ADULT POLITICIAN to a murderer.
Your job, “Jay Tea” is to find every right winger and right wing organization that brought up “VINCE FOSTER”, make a list and print it here with a condemnation of each one of them individually.
As it is, your active defense, “Jay Tea”, of right wing extremist’s verbal attacks of children who are years younger than even teenagers is reprehensible and really a new low point in a long series of low points.
That’s his point, Duros, that you don’t know who made the comments in question. Neither does Oliver, and neither does Newsy. This guy’s history of doing this lends credibility to the idea they very likely could’ve been generated directly or indirectly from him.
And Newsy is the one who brought up the Letterman incident.
So, “Newsy,” you’re cool with comparing Palin with Yates, right?
Glad to get you on the record there.
And as noted, there’s a possibility that the asshole reporter planted it. He’s on record saying that it ought to be done, anyway…
But that doesn’t matter. He’s saying bad things about Republicans, so that’s all “Newsy” needs to know. He MUST be completely honest and aboveboard!
J.
News Ref, did you even read about this Chris Parry douchebag who wrote the story? He has a history of posting inflammatory and racist comments on Free Republic and then writing stories about it. He has a record of advocating the attack of blacks on that site and then blaming Republicans.
Why are you so naive as to assume what he wrote about didn’t somehow emanate from him, when he has a history of doing that very thing and encourages other people to do it. How can you sit there and write that it’s a distraction to bring that up?
Do you condone that sort of thing? A far left reporter who hates conservatives to the point he would attack blacks and effectively use them as pawns in his sick little game, and you take him at his word?
Whether you thought OJ was innocent or guilty of a double homicide, was it a distraction to bring up the fact that Mark Fuhrman had used the N word before and bragged about framing blacks for crimes he couldn’t prosecute them effectively for?
Don’t be a complete schmuck all the time, Newsy.
Right winger’s tactics to distract from right winger’s verbal attacks on children who are years away from even being teenagers have become increasingly inventive on this thread.
This guy’s history of doing this lends credibility to the idea they very likely could’ve been generated directly or indirectly from him.
No it doesn’t.
“He has a history of posting inflammatory and racist comments on Free Republic and then writing stories about it. He has a record of advocating the attack of blacks on that site and then blaming Republicans.”
You’ve been banging on about that allegation in comment after comment now – PROVE IT.
The original allegation – backed up by NO proof – came from Free Republic itself. The allegation was repeated in a very sloppy piece of “reporting” on Gawker. It has not been substantiated.
Put up a link that proves it, or shut up.
Prove they were right winger’s attacks, Newsie. Provide a sound argument for once in your adult lifetime.
And News Ref, just an FYI, this blog post was posted at 12:48 yesterday afternoon, almost 30 hours ago. Is it really an attempt to change the subject at this late hour in the life of a blog post here? How you can pretend this isn’t a relevant part of the story is just mind-boggling, especially when every other aspect of the manufactured story has been discussed. It’s like you take offense that the posterity and the intent of the blog post has been nullified and you want to just cry over it.
Gorw up and grow a pair, man.
No one should bash or insult an eleven year old girl going about her business. Whoever supports Free Republic is a back-woods, moonshine guzzling, racist conservative (redundant, I know)redneck. Shame on the writer of the highly offensive and incendiary remarks for the unadulterated ignorance shown.
JHoots: “Rush Limbaugh is a comedian, too. Remember when he compared young Chelsea Clinton to the White House dog? I don’t remember if he apologized.”
He claimed the wrong picture was shown. I’ve never heard what picture was supposed to be shown, or what the joke would have been.
So I would say that was a non-apology.
muffler: “David Letterman does not have a record of making remarks directed at 14 year old children. In fact he has never in the past done anything like that, so the logic would assume he made a huge mistake. The comments from the Right aren’t an accident. They are consistent and pervasive.”
And we have a winner.
Taking one statement and forming a generalization over it is wrong.
Seeing a pattern… that’s a different story.
Dennis the Bigot: “Why do you guys get sucked in by this sort of thing every…. single…. time….?
I guess the upside here is that all the folks above, mambo, Jaim, CS Southern Strategy, et al, that were all blowing a gasket over this can all now heave a collective sigh of relief that this wasn’t the clearcut case of racism they once thought it was and can go on being their former happy selves again.”
So what you are saying is…
1.) Someone posts something racist on a right-wing blog.
2.) Many, many, many people join in the racist hatefest.
3.) People who complain are banned, de-friended, etc.
and…
4.) This is all a left-wing conspiracy.
I wish the left was organized enough to pull this off.
On a side note…
“It gets worse, though. Chris Parry, it appears, has advocated on his Daily Kos blog any number of egregious offenses, among them: posting hate speech on sites like Free Republic and blaming it on conservatives.”
Was there a link to this and I missed it?
Also, this story you linked to makes no claim that Chris Perry started this fight. Just that he ‘appear[ed]‘ to advocate starting something like this.
J.G.Thayer: “‘Newsy,’ it’s still not established that it was ‘right wing racists.’ There’s a bit of evidence indicating it might be a left-wing racist.”
And that evidence is…
There’s no evidence given in this story that connects Chris Perry to these comments. And there are dozens of them.
Dennis the Bigot: “Prove they were right winger’s attacks, Newsie. Provide a sound argument for once in your adult lifetime.”
Prove left wingers were behind all of the racist attacks, Dennis.
Prove left wingers were behind any of the racist attacks, Dennis.
Provide a sound argument for once in your adult lifetime.
One party needs to do some major house-cleaning. Hint: It ain’t he Democrats.
Remember how Republicans reacted when Republican John McCain attacked a 13 year old girl?
Republicans nominated Republican John “Attacked a 13 year old girl” McCain for President.
It’s a pattern.
Seems no one knows a whole lot about the incident, yet they are perfectly fine repeating what someone else thinks they read somewhere about the incident. Seems you don’t care to take the time to read about it either, or you’d know he apologized several times for the malfunction, and that that presupposition that he meant to do it as a joke doesn’t at all comport with the timing or the right sequence of events for a joke about her looks. Keep staying in the dark about it and pretending you know what happened though, CSS.
Except that you have a jokewriter involved and David Letterman involved. It’s hard to imagine jokes aren’t at least looked at by more than just the two of them, and the more people who looked at the joke makes the excuse that they didn’t know it wasn’t Bristol at the game, especially for someone like Letterman who prides himself on being politically astute, less and less believable. The wording of the joke leaving out the name let’s the listener assume it was just one of her daughters since one of her daughters did get ‘knocked up’. Otherwise, why not use the name ‘Bristol’ in the joke if you thought that’s who was there at the game? If you knew she wasn’t there but thought it wouldn’t really matter, you go with ‘Palin’s daughter got knocked up by Alex Rodriguez’.
Who really knows, but you state is a given fact, and you don’t know crap about it really.
Yes, I left one. If you cared to look, there are plenty more easily attainable. This Chris Parry is a whack job racist himself. I’m surprised you don’t know him, you share many things in common with him.
I never said they weren’t Free Republic regulars. I’m saying News Ref doesn’t know, yet he’s easily sucked in by the claims of a reporter who is a known racist and someone who has bragged openly and advocated for others to go on conservative sites and denigrate blacks in order to blame it on Republicans, all so he can report the story later. News Ref claims this part of the reporters past is irrelevant and just a distraction. Like you, he knows very little, yet repeats what he doesn’t know and can’t prove as fact, just like he does here every day.
So when writes the story that he has in the past manufactured and encouraged others to aid and assist him in doing, and if effect becomes part of the story, you’d think objective, open-minded thinkers would be a little skeptical of him and his story.
If you were that kind of person, Strowbridge, I might think you’d behave in exactly that manner, but alas, you are not. You fall for his ploy.
He has posted at Free Republic before. Would you not find that fact somewhat odd?
Of course you wouldn’t. It wouldn’t matter to you even if you took the time to determine it was true that he did so. He wrote a story that even if it was based on a house of cards, it proves a ‘mindset’ that you believe is prevalent, so you’re cool with it.
No, Newsie, I would state unequivocally, not one person here knows just what the reaction was at the time by anyone, Republican or Democrat. Perhaps you could be honest about it for once and do some digging of reactions that corresponded with the timing of said joke and enlighten not only yourself, but everyone else who appears content just reading what you write as if it was truth.
Me: He claimed the wrong picture was shown. I’ve never heard what picture was supposed to be shown, or what the joke would have been.
So I would say that was a non-apology.”
Dennis the Bigot: “Seems no one knows a whole lot about the incident…”
What makes you say that?
“…yet they are perfectly fine repeating what someone else thinks they read somewhere about the incident.”
Actually, I saw the incident. I used to watch Rush’s TV show. It was clearly meant to be a joke / insult.
“Seems you don’t care to take the time to read about it either, or you’d know he apologized several times for the malfunction…”
Except he never explained what was supposed to have happened.
David Letterman explained he meant Bristol Palin, the 18-year old woman with a kid. It has internal logic than can be judged.
Rush said, ‘Oops. That came out wrong.’ and we are supposed to believe him and move on?
“…and that that presupposition that he meant to do it as a joke doesn’t at all comport with the timing or the right sequence of events for a joke about her looks.”
Actually, it does. He said the Clintons brought the White House cat and then showed a picture of Socks. Then she said they also brought the White House dog and then showed a picture of Chelsae.
If Don Rickles were to set up a joke about someone’s looks, this is the way he would do it.
“Keep staying in the dark about it and pretending you know what happened though, CSS.”
Again, I saw it happen. Did you?
This is just terrible. Obama never attacked the palin kids. Comments regarding Palin’s daughter were made by the white late night show hosts such as bill Maher, Jay Leon, David letterman etc. those are the one’s you should be attacking. Obama never once made any derogatory comments about Palin kids so this is totally unnecessary. He was the one who said during the election that kids were off limits. She’s only 11 you racist old minimus pigs.
Republican leader Rush Limbaugh attacked a 13 year old girl and then falsely claimed it was a mistake.
Yes, it was a mistake for Republican leader Rush Limbaugh to attack a 13 year old girl.
At least after Republican John McCain got called out for attacking a 13 year old girl he apologized for it without trying to pretend that what he did didn’t happen.
Still, it says a lot about the Republican Party that they would throw a hissy fit about a comedian making a joke about an 18 year old girl right after they nominated Republican John McCain, who attacked a 13 year old girl, to represent the Republican Party as President.
I find that highly suspect, Strowbridge, seeing as how there isn’t a video of the incident. We’ve discussed it several times on here and for an incident that no one has claimed they’d seen, why didn’t you mention it before? Why do you provide no details as to why you claim it was meant to be a joke? Did you ever email Al Franken to clear up whether it was in 1992 or 1993 that the incident took place, because you could help him with his credibility, since there is a dispute over the actual date. There are lots of disputed dates and claims in this incident. maybe you could clear them up, Strowbridge.
I find that highly suspect, Strowbridge, seeing as how there isn’t a video of the incident.
I saw it as well, Dennis. It was one of the few times I’d seen Rush’s show, and I stood there gaping because I couldn’t believe he’d just compared a 13-year-old girl to a dog. It obviously not a mistake – the audience laughed, and he yucked it up with them.
It was disgusting.
Was it 1992 or 1993, Southern Quaker?
What is false about this account of purported events:
Franken’s Rush/Chelsea lie
Me: “And we have a winner.
Taking one statement and forming a generalization over it is wrong.
Seeing a pattern… that’s a different story.”
Dennis the Bigot: “Except that you have a jokewriter involved and David Letterman involved. It’s hard to imagine jokes aren’t at least looked at by more than just the two of them, and the more people who looked at the joke makes the excuse that they didn’t know it wasn’t Bristol at the game, especially for someone like Letterman who prides himself on being politically astute, less and less believable.”
Excuse me? What does being politically astute have to do with this? Who Sarah Palin went with to the baseball game has nothing to do with politics.
You are tying yourself in knots trying to make it seem David Letterman meant Willow Palin, but you have yet to show a pattern. One joke, no matter how many people were involved, is not a pattern.
At best, at best you can show it was a mistake that should have not been made.
“The wording of the joke leaving out the name let’s the listener assume it was just one of her daughters since one of her daughters did get ‘knocked up’. Otherwise, why not use the name ‘Bristol’ in the joke if you thought that’s who was there at the game? If you knew she wasn’t there but thought it wouldn’t really matter, you go with ‘Palin’s daughter got knocked up by Alex Rodriguez’.”
If you thought Bristol was at the game, then mentioning her by name would not be necessary.
Not using the name doesn’t prove Letterman was talking about Willow.
“Who really knows, but you state is a given fact, and you don’t know crap about it really.”
Huh?
“It gets worse, though. Chris Parry, it appears, has advocated on his Daily Kos blog any number of egregious offenses, among them: posting hate speech on sites like Free Republic and blaming it on conservatives.”
Me: “Was there a link to this and I missed it?”
Dennis the Bigot: “Yes, I left one. If you cared to look, there are plenty more easily attainable. This Chris Parry is a whack job racist himself. I’m surprised you don’t know him, you share many things in common with him.”
Was there a link in the story proving the claims against Chris Parry?
The story itself says, ‘it appears’, so that would suggest they don’t have any proof, otherwise, why would they have that qualifier?
Dennis,
I don’t know about Franken, never been a big fan and haven’t paid that much attention to him until the election last year.
I do know that it was a year or two before I got married and in the fall – probably ‘92. I was at the telescope, which is the only reason Rush was on the TV – I wouldn’t watch him myself. I remember Rush said something about the Clinton’s getting a dog, and then put a picture of Chelsea up on the screen. As I said, I was gobsmacked – it was such a blatant, offensive thing to do to a teenaged girl, who had nothing to do with her father’s politics.
I used the incident a year later to explain to my younger cousin why Rush was an ass.
Me: “Actually, I saw the incident. I used to watch Rush’s TV show. It was clearly meant to be a joke / insult.”
Dennis the Bigot: “I find that highly suspect, Strowbridge…”
You also seem to think this racist outburst on the Free Republic is the result of left-wing plants, so your opinion means nothing.
“…seeing as how there isn’t a video of the incident.”
I did not know that. So there’s no video of the event, but you have a link that proves we are wrong.
Interesting how that works.
“We’ve discussed it several times on here and for an incident that no one has claimed they’d seen, why didn’t you mention it before?”
Because no one has claimed it was false before. I’ve heard the ‘technical mistake’ defense over and over again, but not this.
“Why do you provide no details as to why you claim it was meant to be a joke?”
Huh? What more do you need to know? Socks = Cat, Chelsea = Dog.
That was the joke / insult.
What other detail do you need me to provide?
“Did you ever email Al Franken to clear up whether it was in 1992 or 1993 that the incident took place, because you could help him with his credibility, since there is a dispute over the actual date.”
I don’t remember the date. I do remember Almost Live doing a parody of it, on the other hand.
Dennis the Bigot: “Was it 1992 or 1993, Southern Quaker?
What is false about this account of purported events:
Franken’s Rush/Chelsea lie”
Again, to emphasize…
Dennis the Bigot claims there is no video of the incident, so Southern Quaker and I could not have possibly seen the show in question.
However, he provides a link that he thinks proves it never happened.
Either there’s no evidence either way, or people have seen it.
Which is it, Dennis?
Me: “I do remember Almost Live doing a parody of it, on the other hand.”
I miss Almost Live.
“BE LIKE BILLY!”
On a side note, Dennis, did you ever get back to me with that link to the PDF. I can’t remember the thread the discussion is, and I can’t find it. Can you post it again? Hopefully before this thread falls off the front page.
As long as we’re fact-checking Dennis, there was also a rather infamous SNL sketch that made fun of Chelsea’s looks at about the same time. I heard all about it as we went to the same school.
So just so you know, SNL, that bastion of liberalism, was also taking swipes at the president’s daughter for no other reason than cruel laughs. (To be specific, they had Chris Farley playing Chelsea, although her awkward teen years never had any issues with weight. Just more of the “LOL she’s ugly” stuff that Rush created, and that SNL ran with.)
Weak, Strowbridge. So is your methodology for argument on just about everything.
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Here’s the thread.
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Here’s what I said:
Me:
Your reply:
C.S. Strowbridge:
And here’s the report from Christina Romer where the 8% unemployment high water mark claim if the stimulus was passed was made.
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The Job Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan
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Page 5 has the graph if you’d rather not read the text. It has nothing to do with the stress test.
And you did bail from this thread after mocking Boehner as an unreliable source, never mind the fact that if he had lied about something so blatant that if, as you claimed, were not true, would’ve made headlines everywhere and the source of several OW blog posts very likely.
You bailed, Strowbridge, after just reflexively calling me fucking stupid and accusing me of mixing up two separate things. You weren’t man enough to stick around and admit your mistakes. Being a citizen of a foreign country, you can’t be expected to know about our economic policies and initiatives, but acting like you do when you don’t and calling people fucking stupid and fucking retards out of reflex on your part is inexcusable.
And Strowbridge, since we’re on a thread about racism, tell me how your calling Michelle Malkin an “anchor baby” is not racist on your part.
Or how your calling me a bigot because you think it’s fun while at the same time repeatedly calling people here “fucking retards” is not a case of you being the pot calling the kettle black when it comes to bigotry.
Dennis the Bigot: “And you did bail from this thread after mocking Boehner as an unreliable source, never mind the fact that if he had lied about something so blatant that if, as you claimed, were not true, would’ve made headlines everywhere and the source of several OW blog posts very likely.”
So you are claiming that Boeher did not lie, because if he had lied, it would have made headlines.
Headlines like this…
talkradionews.com/2009/07/ohio-democratic-party-officials-boehner-lied-about-state-not-receiving-stimulus-contracts/
mediamatters.org/research/200907050004
groups.google.com/group/soc.retirement/browse_thread/thread/3b14529433a4d1cf/1688898920d07f18?lnk=raot
crooksandliars.com/logan-murphy/john-boehner-backpeddling-stimulus-li
Yeah. No headlines at all.
Dennis the Bigot: “The Job Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan
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Page 5 has the graph if you’d rather not read the text. It has nothing to do with the stress test.”
Yep. You are correct. Obama’s economic team was fucking retarded if they thought unemployment wasn’t going to go above 8.8%. Krugman figured it would hit at least 10%.
But you are correct regarding their prediction.
Dennis the Bigot: “And Strowbridge, since we’re on a thread about racism, tell me how your calling Michelle Malkin an “anchor baby” is not racist on your part.”
How is ‘anchor baby’ racist?
Unless you think all immigrants are non-whites, it has nothing to do with race. But if you think all immigrants are non-whites, that would make you racist.
Annnnnd……your statement that “The problem is you are fucking stupid and are mixing up two different things”?
Go ahead, Strowbridge, you can do it. I’m sure your mom taught you how to do it sincerely.
Yeah, well, that’s how they had to package it and sell it. Those are the things you and quite a few people here mocked me and and others who argued that Obama then was just being more of the smooth talker he was when he was campaigning. Talking down the economy when it suited him to get the seriousness of the situation out to the public, bashing Republicans and Rush Limbaugh at the time, and then overselling the effects of the stimulus and the immediate impact to the economy and the jobs situation if we rushed it through.
Ohio Republican John Boehner is a pathological liar.
Which is why Republican John Boehner is a Republican leader: He’s a liar.
Obama’s problem is that he keeps listening to conservative centrists who don’t have a clue and are too embedded with the corporate-financial-industry (Summers, Geithner, Republican Bush’s Bernanke…).
Lefty economists knew that the Republican 2007 Great Recession was and is much worse than right wing corporatists have been saying.
Lefty economists have been consistently correct and consistently ignored.
Paul Krugman
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com
Robert Reich
http://robertreich.blogspot.com
Brad DeLong
http://delong.typepad.com
Dean Baker
http://prospect.org/csnc/blogs/beat_the_press
(The short list)
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If right winger “Dennis” wants to distract the issue of right wing racism with the Republican 2007 Great Recession he’s not going to like the facts any more than the fact of right winger’s racism.
Dennis, you and CS have kinda bogarded the discussion, but that’s okay, ’cause now I’m interested in one of the subplots (even though you tangented off into unemployment stats and michelle malkin???)…
would really enjoy an answer to this previous question from C.S.Strowbridge:
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Again, to emphasize…
Dennis the Bigot claims there is no video of the incident, so Southern Quaker and I could not have possibly seen the show in question.
However, he provides a link that he thinks proves it never happened.
Either there’s no evidence either way, or people have seen it.
Which is it, Dennis?
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I saw that Limbaugh show also (sorry, don’t have any affadavits or notary to substantiate the timehack) I don’t think it was a psycho-lib-hater attack, seemed to me, he was just going for the cheap laugh (like the real comedy tv shows)…Farley in a dress as a fat chelsea clinton, stupid but funny; rush monologue about clinton pets with pictures of chelsea mixed in, sorry, not funny (memo to RL: leave the comedy to the professionals, you conservo-fatass…)
Me: “But you are correct regarding their prediction.”
Dennis: “Annnnnd……your statement that “The problem is you are fucking stupid and are mixing up two different things”?
Go ahead, Strowbridge, you can do it. I’m sure your mom taught you how to do it sincerely.”
I still think you are fucking stupid, so apologizing for calling you that would be insincere and a lie.
I will admit you were right and I was wrong on this point, but I won’t apologize for insulting you.
I would rather be an honest asshole than a polite liar.
Me: “Obama’s economic team was fucking retarded if they thought unemployment wasn’t going to go above 8.8%. Krugman figured it would hit at least 10%.”
Dennis: “Yeah, well, that’s how they had to package it and sell it.”
Again, this was fucking retarded. If anything, they should have overstated the problems, then they would have looked like miracle workers when it was mere a disaster.
“Those are the things you and quite a few people here mocked me and and others who argued that Obama then was just being more of the smooth talker he was when he was campaigning.”
Really? We said the economy was better than people were reporting? I don’t recall ever saying that. If anything, I was saying the opposite and saying the stimulus needed to be much bigger.
I recall saying that the stimulus was working and there were signs that the economy was going to improve, but I’ve said from the beginning that it wouldn’t bottom out till late 2009 / early 2010.
“Talking down the economy when it suited him to get the seriousness of the situation out to the public, bashing Republicans and Rush Limbaugh at the time, and then overselling the effects of the stimulus and the immediate impact to the economy and the jobs situation if we rushed it through.”
Except this was before the stimulus was passed, and his ‘worst case scenario’ was hopelessly optimistic.
There was never any chance unemployment wasn’t going to hit 10%.
There was a chance unemployment was going to hit 20 to 25%. In fact, it could still get there.
Did they screw the pooch on this one? Yes. Their predictions were inaccurate.
But the motivations you are assigning them are wrong. If they were looking to score political points, they should have overstated the problem even more and underestimated how much the stimulus would have helped.
‘The stimulus is needed to avert total disaster. It is needed to prevent the nation from going into a depression worse than what was seen in the 1930s. However, recovery will be long and slow, and we must work over the next few years to build an economy that is fundamentally strong so when our nation returns to prosperity, we do not repeat the cycles of boom and bust again.’
It’s not like the Republicans could filibuster the stimulus, as the Democrats could have pushed it through with just 51 votes using reconciliation. (I believe that’s the right term. We are getting into some pretty heavy Wonk territory here.)
News Reference: “Obama’s problem is that he keeps listening to conservative centrists who don’t have a clue and are too embedded with the corporate-financial-industry (Summers, Geithner, Republican Bush’s Bernanke…).”
We have a winner.
There seems to be a philosophy in Washington, and on Wall Street, that the people who screw up the most are the ones who have the experience needed to fix the problems that they caused.
This is completely stupid.
You are all really f$$%Ckd
Idiot liberals talking smack about Sarah palins kids.
Idiot racists talking crap about Obbies girls.
You can say what you want, but liberals are just haters. They dont respect anyone that thinks differently from them They despise Sara palin because she is one hot, smart conservative.
The world would be better if you liberals would just go away to the same place the ahole racists go…so you could just fight with each other.
How they hell can the party of AL FRankin look in the mirror?
Except that you don’t know what you’re talking about on that, nor do you offer and real solutions. Obama appoints a clown with no automotive experience for his automotive czar, and then he just up and quits. So that ain’t workin’ out so hot either.
It’s easy to say what you said. It’s not so easy to come up with acceptable alternatives. You can keep quoting Krugman all you want, but his practical experience consists of advising Enron. Why doesn’t Obama recruit him for something practical besides his being a de facto sloganeer czar since you guys think he walks on water?
Of course you won’t apologize, Strowbridge. You never have, and like I said, you don’t have it in you.
You’re are an asshole, but you’re hardly an honest asshole. You’re also a liar, but you’re not even remotely polite. So you can say you’d rather be an asshole than a liar, but the descriptives should never be associated with you in any way.
Right winger “lee” after purging themselves of some hate (and accusing ‘liberals’ of being what they, “lee”, are) demands to know:
“How they hell can the party of AL FRankin look in the mirror?”
Because they’re good enough, they’re smart enough, and doggonit, people like them.
[Stuart Smalley looking in a mirror giving his 'Daily Affirmation']
just more proof the right is done you will not see them in power for 12 plus years
Me: “I will admit you were right and I was wrong on this point, but I won’t apologize for insulting you.
I would rather be an honest asshole than a polite liar.”
Dennis the Bigot: “Of course you won’t apologize, Strowbridge. You never have, and like I said, you don’t have it in you.”
Why should I apologize? I already admitted I was wrong, isn’t that the important part?
By the way, are you willing to do the same? You said I was wrong about John Boehner, yet I’ve posted links that prove I was right. You ignored those links. Why is that?
“You’re are an asshole, but you’re hardly an honest asshole. You’re also a liar…”
Oh Jesus Christ. You called me a mother fucker. Do I get to call you a liar because of that?
You’re a strange one, Strowbridge.
I ignored your second Boehner reply because it made no sense, and it had nothing at all to do with the argument I made. I said if Boehner had made a false assertion about what the Obama administration made about the stimulus’ effect on unemployment, that it wouldn’t go above 8%, that Obama had never said that as you asserted, that every liberal blog and it’s liberal cousin would be howling about it, including OW here.
Every one of those blog posts had to do with Boehner’s asertion that the stimulus hadn’t either worked it’s way to Ohio’s coffers or had not produced a single job in Ohio. None of them said the 8% figure was false. Only one of them even put that part of the dialogue from Boehner in their blog post, and surprisingly, it was Media Matters. I’ve posted at the blog of the last post you listed for going on four years now, and there are some fine people that I’ve become friends with and some good, honest bloggers there, but the one from the link you provided is not one of them. She didn’t even mention the 8% figure. She makes Media Matters and the dishonest tactics they employ look objective and almost conservative by comparison to her blog posts.
If I called you a vulgar slur and I was wrong about something you said that was the reason for the slur, I would apologize on both counts. This isn’t a case like that, not even on the same planet. I never implied Boehner has never said anything that no liberal blog wouldn’t find a way to take him to task on, I said if he had lied about the 8% number, and offense far greater than saying no jobs in Ohio had been created when in fact a whopping 52 jobs, depending on one’s criteria for inclusion in that statistic, had been created, believe me, far more than the four examples you listed would’ve been screaming blood murder. As it was, they all tried to make a mountain out of a molehill… which was no more than the typical distraction tactics dishonest liberal bloggers like the ones you listed will do to keep other libs from focusing on the 8% lie the Obama administration heaped on the public to pass this abomination.
And that tactic worked on you, Strowbridge. As closely as you follow our political system, bizarre as that is for you, you didn’t have the first clue about them having thrown out that 8% figure. Not then, and not even after we hit 9.5% unemploymnet. Liberal blogs don’t tend to bring those kinds of things up.
But your one apology is accepted, and like I said, that’s not a bad first step for you, all things considered.
Republican John Boehner makes false statements as a function of his Republican leadership.
Republican Boehner’s most recent lie was his false claim that Ohio hadn’t received stimulus projects when in fact there were dozens of Ohio stimulus projects that had gotten stimulus money.
“According to research organizations, including PolitiFact and the Cleveland Plain Dealer, 52 projects worth $84 million were lined up to boost Ohio’s economy at the time of Boehner’s [false] public statements.“
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That a violent right wing troll like “Dennis” has to use personal attacks and serial distortion to evade the issues has become commonplace amongst the bulk of the right wing.
But “Dennis” has regularly sided with racist posters so his serial distraction to avoid the viciousness of right wingers racist attacks on black children is just one more example of who he, “Dennis”, is, and how a despicable sub-element of the right wing operate.
See now, Newsie, don’t you think it’s just a bit bizarre of you to come in this nice conversation Strowbridge and I are having, only to provide a link about Boehner that Strowbridge already listed four times already from differing sources? This blog post is so far off the radar from the main page, but you sniff me out and feel the desire to come down here to provide essentially nothing to a conversation you’re not the least bit a part of.
You wouldn’t think that that was stalking, would you? Or even the least bit strange on your part.
Of course you wouldn’t.
I don’t side with racist posters, whoever the racist posters were in this case. But the guy who wrote the article in question is a confirmed racist, and you are siding with him. I don’t side with him, and I don’t side with anyone, no matter liberal or conservative, who made racist statements or attacked this young girl.
You’re the one siding with the racist, Newsie. Chris Parry is a racist, has made racist epithets, and has recruited other liberals to make racist epithets in order to falsely accuse conservatives of racism.
YOU ARE SIDING WITH HIM!
Look in the mirror, my friend.
“Dennis”, if you were capable of learning something the first time it wouldn’t require repeating things over and over and over.
At times I’m convinced you can’t possibly be as stupid as you come across and are actually just a pathological liar without any sense of ethics.
Whether you are stupid or simply unethical, either makes you a perfect Republican troll.
You falsely cited Republican liar John Boehner, who lies as often as he breathes, and then you continued to lie about the stimulus that Ohio is receiving.
The first time you tell a falsehood, “Dennis”, the assumption can be that you are simply mistaken, the third, tenth and fify-first time you tell a falsehood after being repeatedly corrected, clearly shows that you are either incredibly stupid (which I’ve always conceded was possible) or a flat out liar (which is my assumption).
But as I’ve said, it’s certainly possible that you are a stupid liar, which makes you a perfect Republican follower.
Dennis the Bigot: “I ignored your second Boehner reply because…”
You ignored it because you were proven wrong and you don’t want to admit it.
And you are attacking me for not apologizing for calling you stupid, even though I admitted I was wrong on the facts.
You care more about the insults than the facts.
It’s classic style over substance.
“Every one of those blog posts had to do with Boehner’s asertion that the stimulus hadn’t either worked it’s way to Ohio’s coffers or had not produced a single job in Ohio.”
That’s what I said he said, and you claimed I was wrong.
So what’s the issue?
How in God’s name was I proven wrong? The quote I attributed to Boehner was correct. You tried to say it could not be correct because he was not credible, so you later used blog posts from dishonest liberal bloggers that sidestepped the fallacious 8% unemployment figure as proof that he was wrong. Then now later you admit that number (and quote) was correct by Boehner.
I have no idea what your point is or why you think it merits an apology. You are proving apples are red to my statement that oranges are orange and agreeing with my statement about oranges but demanding an apology that your statement about apples was correct, too. But your statement about apples has nothing whatsoever to do with my statement about oranges.