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But Rush said that Racism doesn’t exist in America any more.
So fucking sick of hearing about racism. It was okay when every other prez got made fun and now it’s his turn! Get over it!!
Ah yes. The Willis Logic rears its ugly head again. Some guy who nobody knows (in fact nobody knows who it is) sends an email with that picture and that = “conservatives.”
Finally, somebody got it right. THANKS Jay…
Huh, evidently there’s also racism on Fox News.
“Other species.”
Keep
Keep
Keepin’ it Klassy! Indeed.
Jay Caruso: “Ah yes. The Willis Logic rears its ugly head again. Some guy who nobody knows (in fact nobody knows who it is) sends an email with that picture and that = ‘conservatives.’”
You think it’s liberals sending this around?
If it was one or two examples, then you might have an argument.
However, this is part of a pattern of behavior.
Here’s one for ya…
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Pool-Boots-Kids-Who-Might-Change-the-Complexion.html
60+ Black Kids Booted from Philly Pool For Being Black
Post racial, my ass…
Whomever did that is just plain sick.
And, of course ,reprinting the picture, which includes the descriptive , “as far as I know is unrelated to the Malkin contest” ['when did you stop printing racist photoshopped photographs of the President, Michelle?'] which could be a picture made up by any liberal from Portland, ME to Tacoma WA so that conservatives would be blamed, in no way contributes to the notion that all the people on the right are racists.
You think it’s liberals sending this around?
I can’t imagine why they would, can you ?
When a detective gets involved in a crime, the first place they look is those with prior convictions. There’s a reason for that.
As far as the “fake” angle, again I say, round up the usual suspects.
Ah yes. The Willis Logic rears its ugly head again. Some guy who nobody knows (in fact nobody knows who it is) sends an email with that picture and that = “conservatives
Pretending it isn’t happening will not make it go away. But perhaps this is merely the first stage of coping with grief. One is hopeful.
Whatever. 100 years ago they’d go to Klan rallies, these days they vote Republican. At least we know who they are.
Well, I certainly hope we’ve heard the last of “MoveOn compared Bush to Hitler!!!”
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone…
‘So fucking sick of hearing about racism. It was okay when every other prez got made fun and now it’s his turn! Get over it!!’
Did you ever see a picture of Dumbya wearing overalls and in bare feet picking his teeth with a shotgun?
If so, you might have a case that this is just political satire as usual.
Otherwise, not so much.
Liberals suggest Sarah Palin had something to do with Michael Jackson’s death!
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2009/07/08/palin-whacked-jacko-conspiracy-theory-goes-unchallenged-al-sharptons-r
par for the eliminationist course
Liberals suggest Sarah Palin had something to do with Michael Jackson’s death!
First denial, now distraction. Pathetic.
60+ Black Kids Booted from Philly Pool For Being Black
Has anyone else read the comments to that story? (Fair warning: you will need to shower afterwards.)
Good Lord, we have a long way to go.
NY Democrats Demonstrate Diversity In Action
Democrats, proudly leading the post-racial charge!
Save Farris: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone…
And by your typical “look! over there” logic, all crimes are excusable because nobody is perfectly pure.
Oliver, for example, has been quite critical at times of Obama and others on the left when he’s seen them do something wrong or fail to do something right. You (as is often typical for folks of your political bent) instead turn a blind eye towards faults in folks on the right and instead spend all you time trying to find similar faults in those on the left in some perverse belief that that then excuses the right.
Here’s a thought: Let’s condemn those on both sides who behave like this. I know it’s a radical notion for you, Farris, since it involves the actual taking of responsibility and criticizing folks on the right. But give it a try.
As noted here, the man who made the “There was concern that a lot of kids would change the complexion … and the atmosphere of the club” statement, Valley Swim Club president John Duesler, has the same name as the man who ran the O-Positive Obama campaign blood drive in Philly before Obama’s inauguration. That information comes from… Democratic Underground.
Discriminate against poor black kids? Yes We Can!
Dave,
I’ve never said this in a public blog before, but fuck you. I don’t give a shit who the guy is, or who he voted or campaigned for.
The discrimination those poor kids had to face was horrible. Can you imagine how it made them feel? To make matters worse, the comments to the story on the web site are absolutely disgusting. Can you get your head out of your partisan arse for one moment to acknowledge that fact? And that such discrimination – especially perpetuated against children – should not be tolerated in this society, no matter where it comes from? Period.
No one here, NO ONE, has made political hay out of this disgraceful incident but you.
Dave in SoCal: Joining SaveFarris in demonstrating the utter moral bankrupcy of the right.
Southern,
Have you not read this website for any length of time? Let’s use Oliver’s MO:
Post title:
“Democrats keep black kids out of pool.”
Text:
“Keep it classy moonbats. Then scratch your heads and wonder why no-one takes you seriously on racial matters.”
Do you think it would be unfair to paint all Democrats with that brush? I do, but then, why is it ok for Oliver (and a whole slew of his commenters) to do it?
Sean:
>You (as is often typical for folks of your political bent) instead turn a blind eye towards faults in folks on the right and instead spend all you time trying to find similar faults in those on the left in some perverse belief that that then excuses the right.
.. And you make this stereotype based on what evidence? The comments on this website?
And that such discrimination – especially perpetuated against children – should not be tolerated in this society, no matter where it comes from?
Where did I say otherwise? I agree 100% that this kind of treatment (whether against kids OR adults) is reprehensible and should not be tolerated. I’m just pointing out that “racist white males” (as Oliver puts it) don’t always pull the lever for a Republican.
No one here, NO ONE, has made political hay out of this disgraceful incident but you.
If you think for ONE SECOND that Oliver would have declined to link to this story had it been a Republican who made the disgusting comments, then you are well and truly delusional.
I also note your lack of outrage over (or even commenting on) the 200 “mostly white” NY legislature staffers who were fired and replaced by people whose skin tone more closely matched that of the majority leader.
I’ve never said this in a public blog before, but fuck you.
Right back at ya, sport.
Can you get your head out of your partisan arse for one moment to acknowledge that fact? And that such discrimination – especially perpetuated against children – should not be tolerated in this society, no matter where it comes from? Period.
Hear, hear, madam.
And specifically how much more tasteless is it to photoshop and distribute a phote of Obama in aboriginal garb than it is to photoshop and distribute a picture of Sara Palin’s child or distribute a retouched photo of Joe Lieberman as a negro?
And specifically how much more tasteless…
None at all. Tasteless all the way around.
Right winger “Haplo9″ is back concern trolling again. How cute.
And in defense of the increasingly despicable “Dave in SoCal” no less.
And since you haven’t commented for a while “Haplo9″, let me introduce you to the racist eliminationist “Amused Observer”.
“Amused Observer” is representing the right wing’s openly white supremacist division.
At least “Dave in SoCal” is usually more subtle.
Perhaps if your faux-reasonableness was as quick to condemn your own side’s slugs your ever-ready condemnation of your opponents would have more weight.
Duros is to congratulated on his intellectual honesty.
So would it be appropriate to have a lede something like
Liberals Circulate Photoshop of Lieberman in Blackface or
Liberals Circulate Photoshop Cruelly Making Fun of Defective Child
Oliver, for example, has been quite critical at times of Obama
Really? Oliver “quite critical” of Obama? You must be privy to some secret ’subscription-only’ section of Oliver’s blog, because I searched all the way back to the Inauguration and could only find 3 posts that were non-fawning about Obama:
Obama not repealing DODT
That’s being critical?
Obama refused to recognize the Armenian genocide
“Didn’t do the right thing”? A “bad call”? Ouch! I’ll bet that stung.
Obama’s classy “Special Olympics bowling” joke
Because telling someone they’re not a comedian is really raking them over the coals.
You used to be much more rational and level-headed, Sean. What happened?
Right winger “Dave in SoCal” starts with citing militant right wing extremist Michelle “Concentration Camp Advocate” Malkin’s HotAir cite to make his point.
“Dave”, that has less weight here than citing something Oliver says over at HotAir.
Try citing a site that can be clicked without having to shower afterward.
As it is, just citing her site puts you in the ‘crazy militant right wing extremist’ camp so it’s an uphill pull to regain any credibility here. (Outside the ‘crazy militant right wing extremist’ camp at least).
“some secret ’subscription-only’ section of Oliver’s blog”
LOL, The Fair and Balanced section.
Yes, “Dave in SoCal”, the continuation of Republican Bush’s abhorrent policies have been repeatedly gotten Obama criticized.
There’s a large swath of lefties that have been criticizing Obama since before he was even elected.
But if you want to bring up old stuff…
Remember the time Republican President Bush lied US into war and then repeatedly committed war crimes and even sadisticly torturing innocent people?
Get back to me when the current President does as Republican Bush did and lies US into a war and tortures innocent people.
Newsie, that’s a lot of words just to say “I refuse to deal with your facts just because I don’t like the source”.
See? Much less typing required.
Good Lord, we have a long way to go.
Maybe not. One such incident making news is a far cry from dozens of such incidents, occurring every summer, scarcely making a blip on the journalistic radar. In Cochran, GA they closed their Municipal Pool rather than integrate — 40 something years ago.
If every time an incident like this occurs, we say “There’s a long way to go,” we will soon be viewing near-zero tolerance as intolerable.
Yes, “Dave in SoCal”, the continuation of Republican Bush’s abhorrent policies have been repeatedly gotten Obama criticized.
Not by Oliver. Which was the whole point of what I was saying. Which I guess you are unable or unwilling to recognize.
I know all this grown up talk is difficult, Newsie, but do try to keep up.
>Right winger “Haplo9″ is back concern trolling again.
Heh. Left winger “News Reference” still spends multiple paragraphs saying nothing of substance. News at 11.
Remember the time Republican President Bush lied US into war and then repeatedly committed war crimes and even sadisticly torturing innocent people?
No. But then I’m not wearing a tinfoil hat either, so that may have something to do with it.
Right winger “Dave in SoCal”: “I don’t like the source”"
Find me a source I can stomach.
HotAir has less than zero credibility.
Your citing it severely damages your credibility (though perhaps it might enamor “Haplo9″).
Seriously, “Dave in SoCal”, you weren’t paying attention the last eight years?
You don’t remember when Republican Bush lied about the yellow cake from Niger going as part of his lying US into the Iraq War?
You don’t remember Republican President Bush letting out of the Gitmo torture prison prisoners who were ultimately found to be completely innocent?
It’s amazing how poorly informed right wingers need to be to get regularly suckered by right wing con artists.
But, “Dave”, you can be honest with me, you remember all of those things, you just have a callous indifference to them.
You aren’t one of the conned, you are one of the cons, “Dave”.
Find me a source I can stomach.
Sorry, not my job to sift through news sources to find one that you find ideologically acceptable.
Hey Newsie, you like to babble on and on AND ON about the “conservative media”, maybe you could help us understand where this fits into that world view:
White House Press Corps Spent the Fourth of July Hanging Out With Obama, Off the Record
No Need Dave,
The ideologically acceptable sources can be found by clicking through to his blog.
And I noticed Fox News was absent from the list. Not invited or declined the invite?
Actually, Dave, you gave him one in your post, he’s just too much of an idiot to recognize it.
Or maybe Democratic Underground isn’t too far left enough for him to consider it a source he likes.
You don’t remember when Republican Bush lied about the yellow cake from Niger going as part of his lying US into the Iraq War?
Would that be this yellow cake?
Your tinfoil beanie needs adjustment.
Or maybe Democratic Underground isn’t too far left enough for him to consider it a source he likes.
DU must be part of that widely known “conservative media”.
Two common right-wing fallacies on display here:
1. Insensitivity to Context: It is reasonable to use this one incident as a basis for commenting on right-wingers in general because it is an example of a frequently repeated pattern, and thus indicative of a widespread habit of thought among right-wingers. The same is not true of similar incident perpetrated by a non-right-winger.
Side note: Wingnuts seem particularly susceptible to this fallacy. For instance: a hot day in January makes us worried about global warming with good reason, because it is part of an increasing trend. A cold day in July gives us no reasons to think global warming is a hoax, because it is not part of an increasing trend. This distinction is lost on wingnuts, who can be counted on reliably to spout denialist crap every time the mercury drops below average.
2. False Equivalence: Making fun of Obama for his “racial” characteristics is not the same as making fun of Bush II for his incompetence, or Clinton for his chubbiness and weak-zipper-syndrome. The former denigrates an entire set of people for things they have no control over, the latter denigrates specific people for their individual failings and misdeeds. This is a substantial difference that our right-wing bretheren can’t seem to get their minds around. Perhaps this is why they keep making such embarrassingly putrid “jokes”.
That’s actually no too far-fetched for him to make that claim, seriously.
Get back to me when the current President does as Republican Bush did
Indefinite Detention With or Without Trial
Obama’s doing Bush one better. Even if there is a trial and the verdict is ‘innocent’, he’s still not gonna let ‘em go.
I’ve never been a fan Democratic Underground. It’s use is as a reference to other news sources. I wouldn’t cite it to you as a source so didn’t click it.
I now see the web of smoke you are referring to.
Let’s be clear if the racism alleged has merit it’s offensive no matter who was doing it.
Your turn.
You get to repudiate Republican Senator Jeff “KKK” Sessions.
And while were at it, you can repudiate the serial racism of Republican leaders Rush Limbaugh, Trent Lott, and just for kicks Republican George Bush for moving into that all white neighborhood of his.
Should I start making an ongoing list of racist Republican leaders for you to regularly condemn?
We’ll just add up the racist Republican leaders each week and you can ritualistic condemn them and offer support for their opponents (Republican primary opponent first and if that fails you will of course support the Democratic challenger).
First up, who is the primary opponent of Republican Senator Sessions that you will be supporting?
Wilbur,
When the “context” that all us right wingers are so insensitive to is the context presented by a lefty website who specifically traffics in highlighting incidents like these for the purposes of playing gotcha, don’t you think a little skepticism is warranted that this trend you are observing has got some confirmation bias built in? I mean, Oliver is honest, right? I’m sure he trolls for racial incidents that involve Democrats just as hard as he does for Republicans, right?
Should I start making an ongoing list of racist Republican leaders for you to regularly condemn?
Yes, would you please? And make sure it’s properly linked and cross-referenced to every utterance by any and all conservatives that can even remotely be construed as racism. And make about, oh, say 100 copies for distribution. Maybe put it in a nice binder with a catchy title like “Evil Conservatives Who Must Be Condemned” in a large, but stylish font?
Could you get right on that? Oh, and get me a coffee, one cream two sugars, before you start. Thanks. You betcha’.
After “Dave in SoCal” finds his conscience and repudiates the current edition of Racist Republican leaders I’m looking forward to his support to stop the continuation of Republican Bush’s abhorrent policies.
In the meantime:
“Senate committee: Bush knew Iraq claims weren’t true.”
Republican Bush knowingly lied US into the Iraq War.
Right wing concern troll “Haplo9’s” disingenuous ‘concerns’ are too rich!-)
“a lefty website who specifically traffics in highlighting incidents like these for the purposes of playing gotcha”
That has an open forum that currently has a majority of right wingers on it responding to said “gotcha” accusation by returning with their own “gotcha” accusations.
Look I know that Oliver is delighted to have ya’all help him build content for his website.
I’m delighted to have something easy and fun to do when I’m bored.
But sometimes you folk are beyond parody, it’s easier to sit back and watch you parody yourselves.
Wilbur,
Interesting to note in a bias free test that some data points are relevant and other datapoints are not. An easy way to always score a bulls eye is to shoot first and then draw a circle around the hole.
News, you are the OW.com equivilent of one of those “we are testing the emergency broadcast system” timeouts on tv. Theres commercials, programs, you know, intelligible things, then the test comes on and its just a blaring loud noise, with no actual information imparted.
I guess my analogy breaks down though, because that sound eventually stops on the tv. You, on the other hand..
Dave in SolCal,had you actually read the news item about Yellowcake you posted,you would have been made aware of the fact that it is Yellowcake that has been stored since before the first Gulf War.The Nigerian story remains a fabrication dreamed up to launch an illegal preemptive war.A war that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent men,women and children.
Haplo9: And you make this stereotype based on what evidence? The comments on this website?
Yes.
Case in point:
Amused O: And specifically how much more tasteless is it to photoshop and distribute a phote of Obama in aboriginal garb than it is to photoshop and distribute a picture of Sara Palin’s child or distribute a retouched photo of Joe Lieberman as a negro?
I’ve yet to see Amused O actually say the photoshopped picture of Obama-with-bone-in-nose is inappropriate and shouldn’t be done. Instead the complaint is that there are other things that shouldn’t be done.
There is no acknowledgment that “Yes, this thing our side did is wrong.” Instead it’s “Well, this other similar thing which YOUR SIDE did is wrong.”
And just to note the immediate contrast, Duros62’s not right after Amused 0 goes look-over-there-and-not-at-our-guys is: Tasteless all the way around.
Dave in SoCal: You used to be much more rational and level-headed, Sean. What happened?
I dunno. Maybe my level-headedness got lost in your bias. Sorry if OW’s criticisms of Obama didn’t kick him hard enough for your satisfaction.
Point being, Oliver (who I selected only because he’s the host here. Others could have been used as examples instead.) has been critical of Obama and other Democrats while those on the right tend to not criticize their own (preferring instead to look-over-theres).
And
Interesting note about the president’s background: If an African family name starts with O, the person is almost certainly of the Luo tribe.
Dave in SoCal: Newsie, that’s a lot of words just to say “I refuse to deal with your facts just because I don’t like the source”.
The source of “facts” is something that a rational person considers. It is relevant.
Parthenon: If an African family name starts with O, the person is almost certainly of the Luo tribe.
And here I though O’bama was an Irish name.
Of course, as certain conservatives never tire of reminding us, it’s us poor downtrodden whites that really have it rough.
And here I though O’bama was an Irish name.
I bet he’d get a pint on the house if he tried to sell that story in Cork.
I’m sure he trolls for racial incidents that involve Democrats just as hard as he does for Republicans, right?
No, Haplo9, I’m quite sure he doesn’t. That’s what you and the other right-wingers are good for. But for a number of years I’ve been reading wingnut efforts, here and elsewhere, to draw some equivalence between right-wing and left-wing bigot eruptions, and the best you can come up with is the fact that Robert Byrd used to be in the KKK sixty years ago.
Interesting to note in a bias free test that some data points are relevant and other datapoints are not.
If what we were doing, a.o., is trying to establish whether a phenomenon exists or not, then every datapoint would be equally relevant until a final analysis determines which datapoints conform to the general trend and which constitute statistical noise.
But instead, what we are doing in this case is calling attention to a trend that every rational observer has long recognized. For that purpose not every datapoint is equally relevant.
Now are either of you honestly trying to maintain that if we looked at all the datapoints, i.e. bigot eruptions, there wouldn’t be a mountainous preponderance of instances on the right-wing side? If so, let’s see what you got, because what you’ve presented so far could be tripled or quadrupled by most of us without breaking a sweat.
a.o., since you have been the source of numerous bigot eruptions yourself, I realize that this is sort of like asking someone to perform brain surgery on himself, but give it a shot.
Until the republican party realizes it has a bigot problem it will continue to marginalize itself and cheapen the political discourse.
> Yes.
Maybe you should get out more. Is it really surprising that on a website like this, where Oliver regularly takes incendiary swipes against anyone that is conservative/republican, that commenters will respond with.. exactly the same thing? You seem to expect the conversation to go like this:
Oliver: Look at this racist incident. It shows that all conservatives are racist.
Conservative commentor: Yup, sure is racist.
Instead we get:
Oliver: Look at this racist incident. It shows that all conservatives are racist.
Conservative commentor: FU too. If that reasoning means all conservatives are racist, then this thing means all Democrats/progressives are racist.
And for the record, I think both incidents really do represent racism (I say that because I often disagree with Oliver’s definition of what constitutes racism), and are repugnant.
Sorry if OW’s criticisms of Obama didn’t kick him hard enough for your satisfaction.
It’s not about “to my satisfaction”. Any rational and non-partisan person would look at the examples I provided and laugh at the idea that they were “quite critical of Obama”.
Point being, Oliver (who I selected only because he’s the host here. Others could have been used as examples instead.) has been critical of Obama and other Democrats while those on the right tend to not criticize their own (preferring instead to look-over-theres).
While I agree that some here (you included) HAVE been critical of Obama and other Democrats, the same cannot be said of Oliver (at least with a straight face). Maybe in some bizarre parallel universe, but not this one.
The source of “facts” is something that a rational person considers. It is relevant.
Agreed. But a statement like “Try citing a site that can be clicked without having to shower afterward” sort of belies the whole “rational” part.
>Now are either of you honestly trying to maintain that if we looked at all the datapoints, i.e. bigot eruptions, there wouldn’t be a mountainous preponderance of instances on the right-wing side?
Yes, actually. If I were to go mining for examples of left wing bigotry, I would look for it directed at:
Conservative blacks
Conservative women
people considered to be “lower class whites” (ie rednecks, hicks, etc)
Oliver himself has provided examples of the first and the third on this very blog. Add to that the more high profile examples (Biden talking about how Obama is articulate and clean, for example) and I’m not at all convinced that the right has a monopoly on any of this stuff. That said, I tend to think that you’ll find irrational hatred just about anywhere you look – just kind of the way the world works.
“the best you [the right wing] can come up with is the fact that Robert Byrd used to be in the KKK sixty years ago.”
And there were a lot of racist Democratic voters over 45 years ago that joined the Republican Party when Democratic President Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act.
The right wing remember the first part but always conveniently forget the second part where the racists joined the Republican Party in droves.
If those folks’ kids have gotten over the racism, I think the Democratic Party would like it’s voters back.
And there were a lot of racist Democratic voters over 45 years ago that joined the Republican Party when Democratic President Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act.
If there were “a lot”, then you should have no problem listing a few of the prominent ones who left the then-racist Democratic party and were welcomed into the Republican party with open arms.
Or are you instead once again throwing around unsourced statements as “fact”?
Right winger “Dave in SoCal” is supporting the military coup in Honduras in another thread, begins a laughable sentence: “Any rational and non-partisan person” wouldn’t support military coup’s or be citing militant right wing extremist Michelle “Concentration Camp Advocate” Malkin, “Dave”.
“Dave in SoCal” is a riot, he’s completely outed himself as a militant right wing extremist and now he’s trying to play the Rovian-Broderite game of trying to claim being a “rational and non-partisan person”.
What a complete charlatan.
Now, see, if “Haplo9″ weren’t a complete concern troll, they would use this as an opportunity to repudiate the militant right wing extremism of “Dave in SoCal”, but that’s not “Haplo9’s” function.
“Haplo9″ ignores the militant right wing extremists in this same thread where he expects something from those that are being attacked by those same militant right wing extremists.
Your moderation is a mask, “Haplo9″, but at least it’s a better mask than “Dave in SoCal’s” absurd claims.
Right winger “Dave in SoCal” is supporting the military coup in Honduras
You mean that “military coup” that was initiated by the Honduran Supreme Court, who legally ordered (with the legislature’s approval) the military to oust the President who was attempting to illegally circumvent the constitution and remain in power? And who, pray tell, is currently in charge there? Roberto Micheletti, the man who was appointed acting president by the Honduran legislature.
Seriously, if you’re getting your facts from the Obama administration, you’re in for some serious letdown.
Your tinfoil beanie is slipping again, Newsie.
Conservative blacks
Conservative women
The difference being that these people are criticised not for their black-ness or their woman-ness but for the fact that they are wingnuts.
people considered to be “lower class whites” (ie rednecks, hicks, etc)
You mean like Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter? I know in the blinkered worldview of the reality-challenged community there is no difference between lampooning the racial characteristics of an African-American and any other kind of insult, but those of us with a sense of history know that it is simply not the case.
What is it with right wingers support for military coups?
Answer: Right wingers have violent fantasies about staging a military coup HERE.
Why do right wingers hate democracy?
Answer: Because at heart they are anti-democratic authoritarian thugs.
>The difference being that these people are criticised not for their black-ness or their woman-ness but for the fact that they are wingnuts.
So Wilbur, can you explain to me how I was mistaken to think that “Uncle Tom” (which black conservatives are regularly called by some on the left) has nothing to do with “black-ness”? I’m really interested to hear your clarification.
>You mean like Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter? I know in the blinkered worldview of the reality-challenged community there is no difference between lampooning the racial characteristics of an African-American and any other kind of insult, but those of us with a sense of history know that it is simply not the case.
No, I was more thinking along the lines of “redneck rubes in red states”, to paraphrase the refrain that was commonly heard when Bush won.
I think you meant to use a word other than “bigotry” though, since it isn’t explicit to race. You might do better to move the goalposts and say that what you really meant was white to black racist incidents are greater when the white person is conservative/republican vs when the white person is democrat. That defines out all my examples except for cases where white liberals demean black conservatives as, say, Uncle Toms or race traitors. Not very compelling IMO, since you ignore a lot of bigotry that way, but I think that’s the only way you can make your point – ignore a lot of bigotry. Reality-challenged indeed.
LOL!-)
Right wing concern troll “Haplo9″ can’t find any actual prejudice on the left so they invent prejudice and then asks lefties to explain why lefties have the invented prejudices.
And the whole time “Haplo9″ can’t acknowledge, let alone address the myriad examples of right wing prejudice and overt racism.
Brrrttt!! We interrupt this broadcast for a test of the emergency broadcast system!
News, what is really funny is how much of this thread you have to miss, ignore, or misread in order to make your comment. Do you have any clue as to why you aren’t taken seriously? (Probably not.)
Right wing concern troll “Haplo9″ sure is inventive today.
Now “Haplo9″ is pushing the common right wing caricature of the last two Democratic Presidents: Clinton and Carter.
Though in right winger “Haplo9’s” selectively edited reality, the bigotry that Clinton and Carter received from the right wing as ““redneck rubes in [and from] red states”” never happened to Carter and Clinton (though of course it did), no, in “Haplo9’s” alternate reality, those bigotries were only directed at the right by the left despite the 12 years of evidence that Democratic President Clinton AND Carter received a TREMENDOUS amount of right wing contempt as dumb Southerners.
How do you compartmentalize that reality from your invented fictions “Haplo9″?
Why do Republicans hate white Southern men?
So Wilbur, can you explain to me how I was mistaken to think that “Uncle Tom” (which black conservatives are regularly called by some on the left) has nothing to do with “black-ness”? I’m really interested to hear your clarification.
Glad to oblige, Haplo9. I don’t personally like the term “uncle tom”, nor have I seen it used very often in recent years (apart from complaining wingnuts putting words into people’s mouths), but when person A refers to person B as an “uncle tom”, he or she usually does so in response to some political or social action or opinion that person B has or does.
In contrast, when someone portrays Obama with a bone through his nose, it says nothing about any action or opinion of Obama’s. All it says is Obama = African = Ooga Booga.
Similarly, when your comrade Amused Observer says that “Blacks don’t like Clarence Thomas because he holds them to the same standard as everyone else.” He is implying that blacks on the whole think they are entitled to be treated better than other individuals. This is far different from criticising the actions or beliefs of a single individual.
Does that help? The latter two are examples of bigotry. The first is an example of criticism. Criticism and bigotry are not the same thing. Likewise criticism and censorship are not the same thing (another elementary distinction that wingnuts often have trouble with).
…”You should have no problem listing a few of the prominent ones who left the then-racist Democratic party….”
Well, Trent Lott, Strom Thurmond, and Jesse Helms come to mind right away. Just about ALL of the segregationist Southern Dem politicians of the 1960s either retired, changed their position, or turned Republican by 1980.
The 1960s and 1970s were also the time of the proliferation of so-called “Christian Academies” throughout Southern Suburbia. These were where you put your kids if you didn’t want them to go to school with black kids. That way they could get a crappy-assed education and grow up to be good little Biblethumpers. But they didn’t have to eat lunch with Tyrone and Shanequa!
Frank
Not that this will make it through all the noise, but for the record –
If every time an incident like this occurs, we say “There’s a long way to go,” we will soon be viewing near-zero tolerance as intolerable.
I wasn’t referring to the kids getting kicked out of the pool, but rather to the odious comments left at the website of the nbc affiliate that first broke the story. That was some of the most vile, racist tripe I have ever had the misfortune to read.
Wilbur –
Well said.
Thanks, SQ.
Have you all seen this latest right-wing bigot eruption on Fox News?
“Amused Observer says that “Blacks don’t like Clarence Thomas because he holds them to the same standard as everyone else.” He is implying that blacks on the whole think they are entitled to be treated better than other individuals.”
Damn straight Wilbur, The majority of blacks that post here along with the majority of liberals who post here think that legalized discrimination is ok as long as it benefits minorities. They do not believe in the 14th amendment which specifically gives each and every citizen equal protection under the law.
If you think I’m wrong about that why don’t you circulate petitions amongst those two communities that demand to uphold the Constitution and throw out affirmative action. Get back to me with the results.
And what pray tell are my bigot eruptions?
And what pray tell are my bigot eruptions?
a.o., first shave your head, then find a nice comfy chair, place a table within easy arm’s reach, lay out on the table the following implements: a drill with a 3/8 inch bit, a couple of vice grips, a soldering iron, a sharp paring knife, a bottle of alcohol (isopropyl, please), some tweezers and a melon-baller. A shot of vodka would probably do you some good at this point, but better not have more than one — you’ll need a steady hand! Lean back in your chair, nestling your head snugly in the cushy backrest and…
…re-read your last post.
LOL,
Wilbur, perhaps I am mistaken. I was under the impression that affirmative action was quite popular amongst both the black and white liberals here. Do you disagree?
I think you’re probably right about that a.o., if by “affirmative action” you mean a wide variety of programs to enhance diversity and reduce illegitimate discrimination.
But for you to state that ‘blacks’ — not ’some blacks’, not ‘radical leftist blacks’, not the ‘lazy and selfish minority within the black community’ but ‘blacks’ plain and simple — ‘hate’ Clarence Thomas because he refuses to give them an illegitimate handout, is to paint that entire segment of the population as craven, venal, indolent, selfish and vindictive. This is insulting, bigoted and unwarranted.
It may be self-evident to you that all diversity programs violate the xiv amendment, but it is far from self-evident to a vast number of people who are far more conversant with constitutional law and jurisprudence than you. So try to avoid ascribing the basest possible of motivations to people who disagree with you. That way you’ll only look like an asshole instead of a huge suppurating asshole.
Quick advice for a.o. and his wingnut comrades on how not to look like a bigot (even if you are): Avoid making statements that characterize an entire race/ethnic group, even positively (‘those blacks sure are good at pickin’ cotton’ is not the sort of thing we want to say).
Wilbur, you are ON FIRE.
“That way, you’ll only look like an asshole instead of a huge suppurating asshole.” Funniest thing I’ve read all week.
Thanks Bruce, feel free to use it if you need it. On further reflection, though, a bit more crusty than the situation warranted. Apologies, a.o., I should have left off the “suppurating”.
LOL Wilbur,
People are making blanket statements here all the time. But I stand corrected; Many, perhaps a majority of blacks are in favor of legalized discrimination as long as it favors them. Many, perhaps a majority of blacks resent Clarence Thomas because he treats them as equals under the law.
Torturing the very plain meaning of the Constitution in such a way as to contrue “…nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” to shall deny is quite a trick.
The Constitution is not really that complicated. It is not a contract written by lawyers designed to have fine print, or gotcha provisions. Your statements about vast numbers of persons better versed in the constitutional law and jurisprudence rings hollow if you actually read both the Constitution and their twisted reasoning for violating the same.
It is my belief that the black community as a whole supports legalized discrimination and the special advantage that affirmative action gives them. Furthermore I beleive that if the question was soley left up to them they would leave it in place. Is it your position that this is not so?
So white supremacist “Amused Observer” trades in his racist “blanket statements” for slightly less offensive ’sweeping statements’ of opinion.
OK. Here are some counter ’sweeping statements’:
It’s my opinion that all white racists are angry that blacks are given opportunities that those racist whites have always found an excuse not to provide blacks (and other minorities) except when forced to by law.
It’s my opinion that that’s why white racists are trying to get rid of the laws that force them to consider blacks and minorities for those jobs that those white racists feel should be reserved for themselves.
(It’s also the tactic being used by male patriarchs that think they should be allowed to deny women from jobs as well.)
Haplo9: “Southern,
Have you not read this website for any length of time? Let’s use Oliver’s MO:
Post title:
‘Democrats keep black kids out of pool.’”
You would have an argument if these right-wing racist outbursts were isolated events. They are not.
Amused Observer: “LOL”
Laughing simpleton.
“People are making blanket statements here all the time. But I stand corrected; Many, perhaps a majority of blacks are in favor of legalized discrimination as long as it favors them.”
Here’s a thought for you. It is very likely that you got a job because a more qualified black person was passed over because he was black.
You have benefited from racism, which is why you defend it so much.